Will you EVER use screws again? WAGO TOPJOB S DIN RAIL Terminal blocks

[@alecturner2008]

I was really sceptical about spring cage terminals back in 2015. In particular a 15 year old installation of a theme park ride. My next visit I took the IR video camera to see if any hot spots were developing, if the springs were easing. Currents up to 32A on vibrating cars. Not a single warm terminal. We did find the contractors in the main panel that were neatly soldiered up next to each other were getting warm, 70C if memory serves, these just needed a 5mm space by skilled application of the biggest screwdriver in the box plus one of the bearings on a car was showing a bit of a temperature. From that point on I'm a Wago convert. I've now set up a couple of panel shops and one tip would be to define your 'standard' range for the work you do. I wouldn't normally stock terminals designed for less than 2.5mm2, but that suits my work, I then pick earth terminals (for me always 4 connectors), fuse carriers another idea to standardise on (20mm glass, but wago have some very nice circuit breaker terminals in the pipeline) we do a lot of calibration so I need a disconnect terminal for testing, breaking into a current loop etc. Mark Ward is the Wago rep for our neck of the woods, talk to Wago, get advise, ask for samples.

[@tonyhewett3729]

I've been using Wago's Top job din rail connectors to fit out yachts for years now, they are definitely the best choice for all wiring connections.

[@tommymack3210]

Are you ship electrician? How can I do the same work

[@dereklane5688]

@@tommymack3210 Sunseeker standardised on WAGO terminals over 28 years ago in Poole Dorset, they also use the Series 750 as PLC's, great bunch of guys, they have the rail assemblies pre ordered from WAGO Rugby, pleased to help with many solutions over the years as Automation Manager at WAGO UK & Ireland

[@christastic100]

These look brilliant,Bring on Wago consumer units .

[@kieranhall1998]

Used these for a maintence free 10mm shower extenstion recently, very easy to use and seem rock solid

[@aschris87]

I think more Electrician's should start using Cable Comb's to Tidy the Wires in Din Enclosures and Consumer Units

[@andrewtadd4373]

Have been using various Wago terminals for a good 10yrs or more now, in that time they have been more and more user friendly. Probably being a bit picky but i prefer to see mitred corners on the trunking.

[@alexstone691]

Im no electrician but this is amazing, wish electricians actually used things like that

[@adrianking6309]

We do use things like that when they become available. Most manufacturers for some reason still produce products with screw terminals, not the electricians choice. Most likely because customers don't want to pay the extra for decent products so it keeps the cost down.

[@grahamlush7140]

We do, at least I do!

[@alexstone691]

Here (serbia) people do installations with their feet most of the time and having a wingnut is premium, they just twist wires together and tape it electrical tape

[@liquidsnake6879]

@@adrianking6309 Customers aren't usually the ones picking the material they know nothing about it lol i know many electricians who'd refuse a job on the spot if the customer started telling them what materials to use, many electricians just prefer screwed terminals old habits die hard, can't tell someone who's been using screwed terminals for 20 years that he's been doing it wrong all this time, same reason that wire nuts are still being sold and installed

[@ZopcsakFeri]

This is massively the coolest thing out there I've seen this month!

[@outlet6989]

Thanks for your informational video. I've only been using WAGO for a short time, and I love them. I didn't even realize this product existed until I saw another of your videos. I went to my local big block store to get some. I asked an associate where they kept them. He didn't even know what they were. I went to AMAZON, and they had an excellent selection of WAGO products at a very reasonable price. My friends were amazed when they saw mine in actual use.

[@grahamlush7140]

Another brilliant bit of kit. Yes din rail terminals have been around for years but Wago just keep getting better and better!! 👍

[@OldLordSpeedy]

In Germany we build CU's "dry" connected all to the Wagos (or Weidmüller) at up or down and connect them at the installation place to the outside cable. For this we use 2/3/4 DIN-rails CU's where one DIN-rail is only for outside connection and the other for the MCB's/RCBO's/etc. With boxes from Hensel, Wiska, etc. it is all same "Lego working" all together. Build one, copy that for next build. Same for your heating-s-plan what here build-in into the heating computer normally. So it is here allowed to use different components from different companies. So not just be ALL from Wago or Legrand or Hager only. Nothing wrong to use Wagos with Hager RCBO's and Legrand sockets in a Hensel box with a Wiska box for the outside light connection with standard german cable from another company. We use often this what be the best for exact this solution!

[@JamesEggleston]

Good video, I know how terminal systems work now but it wasn't till later in my career that I started to figure it all out bit by bit, this would be very helpful for anyone that has really use them before.

[@glynnlitherland5466]

These type of terminals have been around for years. I was using them in 2010.

[@Rosscoff2000]

That's what they said - several times.

[@davidsharp9166]

I've only seen them on industrial stuff.

[@glynnlitherland5466]

@@davidsharp9166 surely that's what din rail terminals are for, industrial use. Will be good when they bring them in for distribution board though.

[@davidsharp9166]

@@glynnlitherland5466 yeah my comment, was directed at the idea of the heating system. But yes Distribution Boards etc would be great.

[@glynnlitherland5466]

@@davidsharp9166 never thought about about heating systems. Should be brought into everything. We used then because the panel was in a position were vibration was an issue. Really quick to use and far more secure than a screw.

[@brianwood5220]

Top Job Wago. I'm sure this will have started panel builders drooling and the simple screwdriver will be retired to the tool box. Thanks guys.

[@tomspurling9631]

Fantastic bit of kit. I was dead against these…… until I used them!

[@mjslug]

That operating tool looks suspiciously like a screwdriver to me.

[@efixx]

You might think that 💭 we couldn’t possibly comment 🤣

[@grahamlush7140]

You’ve good eye sight 😂

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

I prefer a hammer

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

but I call it a key

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

IET / IEE - has to have a key to adjust - hence a screwdriver. People think a keynis a door or padlock key, it does not have to he as screwdriver is just the same but is only a 1 pin key, ie to decatch / latch something, hence also the coin slot large head screws / bolts.

[@Candisa]

Looks like a fantastic product range. I wonder about how they fit in a standard consumer unit along with MCBs: which ones fit behind a standard blank? I suppose the single layer ones fit and the triple layer ones don't, am I right? Do the double layer ones fit behind a blank? Having 4 or 6 linked together connections in one terminal block would be a neat solution to link the signal/live/feedback wires from multiple push buttons together before wiring it to the modular dimmer/teleruptor/contactor/..., allowing neat wire management and easy changing of button functions later on.

[@9plusinstalaciones]

It may well look like a screwdriver but theres quite a taper on the blade for easy access. We are using the Wago 2016-1304/2016-1392

[@havaden96]

They also got a printer so you could print custom branding for each one. A long strip that just clicks into place. And an angled screwdriver that makes it a lot easier to work on irl applications rather than on a workbench. As the bottom of the cabinet might get in the way for a normal screwdriver.

[@havaden96]

Noticed now that the label im talking about is used at 8:30

[@anthonybragg]

You presented about the 3-minute mark the stacked ones that eg 6 way which was all connected and one that was not if they are on the din rail how can you tell if the common link is there?

[@efixx]

Good question - The purple dot on the cable entry

[@not-another-dev]

I’ve used the cheaper version / non waygo they felt flimsy the one in the video looks nice 👍 non fiddly

[@alecturner2008]

The downside is some of the copies, always buy through a dealer, some of the copies also say Wago.

[@BillsCountrysideAdventures]

Just see this, brilliant board

[@gmeadowcroft84]

Bloody brilliant….. wago are amazing

[@jeffredington3359]

Nice Job guys!!!

[@Troyb-xp2vk]

I would love to have this for power distribution for low voltage power supply

[@stevendouglas3860]

The future is this ....⬆️ Easy to fit .

[@efixx]

👍

[@joaquinruedavi5991]

yall gotta check that "white balance'

[@efixx]

👍

[@aaron74]

If this kit were found here in the USA we would consider it a temporal artifact from the year 2500 CE.

[@Alan_AB]

You've probably came across this question before, but what are the torque values for WAGO connectors? Can the force of this type of connector be measured and a comparison taken against the usual screw type terminals?

[@alecturner2008]

Also remember no maintenance visits tightening terminals too.

[@raymondpiper8294]

Not a clue what they are on about , but it looks a good idea.😃

[@AlpineTheHusky]

I have used many different types brands and screw types are still very usefull in some cases if you need to Twin wires or if you want to screw it down and want it to stay forever.

[@JasperJanssen]

Screws don’t last as long as wagos do without maintenance. Over time screws have a nasty habit of wiggling themselves loose from thermal cycling.

[@OldLordSpeedy]

Just a question: Do you buy all this Wago pieces self with own money or Wago send them to product placement to you for free? I self like to use Wagos since over 30 years but the price for one pieces is heavy expensive sometimes if they sell 25 in a box and you need only one or not all of them. Specially the bigger Wago 285 - I have 8 of the 25-pices-box how stay here since years.

[@oyleyhands1332]

Looks perfect for making up a junction box where an 18th edition consumer unit will not fit in place of an existing earlier edition consumer unit is located as they were much smaller in physical dimensions to the planned upgrade Now then, question, should the aformentioned junction box be of metal construction ? or would a plastic type box be adequate ? I'm thinking that Wago or Ideal junction boxes are some form of plastic. Also if not a hinged lid and requires a 'tool' to open, maybe it's acceptable. Assuming cables are glanded and intumescent sealing is used on any rear entry points from the building fabric.

[@kieranhall1998]

If I have the right idea, only switchgear/breakers needs to be in a metal enclosure otherwise every JB,accessory,enclosure etc would need to be metal which isnt the case

[@floodbond]

Good old fashioned screw

[@richardprideaux5185]

Love this system...can you recommend a supplier...?

[@efixx]

Try Farnell for the full line up or CEF for limited range. - we’ve included a few links in the description

[@AH-ib2co]

fantastic

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

Is it fire safe ? If these plastic melts the cables will come out, but if screwed in the metal will keep it in place more in a longer timeframe.

[@willgrand461]

Very nice. I use wagos daily but usually just 221s. I’d like the chance to build something with this kit. I do a lot of fire alarm systems, so if I am using wagos it’s usually just on the earths because the other connections have to be in fire proof connectors. Ive always wanted to know if there is a wago product that’s fire proof? I feel like us alarms guys have been using the same fireproof ceramic connector blocks for decades.

[@LeoSamming]

you use wago blue. terminale for nutral. I learn blue treminalonly for intrinsically sasfe circuts in ex room. And blue cable aswell.

[@AlpineTheHusky]

There are Also Phoenix and Weidmueller terminals just fyi

[@jonathanrose456]

Be nice to see an S-Plan version

[@efixx]

It’s here 👉kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5WTmJdthM6BjbM

[@MatSmithLondon]

Thanks. I’m new to DIN rail systems and wiring up my first one (personal project). Do you have any vids with general tips, eg setting out an enclosure, how to use those cable tidy raceways (and where to get them) etc? Also recommended suppliers in the UK? I know things like layout will vary hugely with application but any really general tips would be great. Such as: always bring mains into the top and use the first DIN rail as your “patch panel”. What about DIN rail spacing, any standards or good advice? Cheers!

[@ChristopherGoggans]

@efixx I think this would be a really useful video idea, or even a series of videos on electrical enclosure/panel design. I'd love to see your guiding principles for wiring up a panel to say run a VFD for an industrial electric motor or something similar. I think it would be very helpful, even if there's not a specific way it should be done according to code. I'd love to see both of your approaches and philosophies. Thanks guys for all the info!

[@MatSmithLondon]

By the way, I have now bought all my DIN rail gear from CPC, the range is not huge but they have the basics, I have kept to the 2002 range as I’m doing light circuits on 6A feeds only. Technically could use the 2001 or even 2000 range but CPC is limited. Sadly cannot buy the triple decker (L/N/PE) anywhere in the UK, you can only find the triple decker (L/L/N) or (L). Oh well. Also found out that the cable tidies / raceways are called slot trunking and they come in open or closed slot varieties, no idea why anyone would use the latter as open seems more flexible. Maybe this helps someone - I guess many people reading this know a lot of this stuff already but I didn’t until yesterday!

[@MatSmithLondon]

Also to add, I spent literally four hours de-coding the product numbers for Wago. They should be ashamed of themselves for not publishing info on HOW to choose the products and what they actually do. Eg the end caps - you have to look carefully at pictures to ensure they fit the type of connector you are putting on the end. OR know the purpose of each digit in the product code, as I now do. Eg why the hell don’t Wago publish a guide that says “7 is earth colour” and “4 is blue” or “0 means connector” etc? It took me hours to work it out! Or better still, an interactive guide to choosing the right product within the family of Topjob S. Argh!

[@OldLordSpeedy]

@@MatSmithLondon Yeah you have right. But you have blue if you want it but no L1/L2/L3 new color scheme (brown/black/grey) - only light grey. Then the green/yellow is ONLY connect to DIN-rail - impossible in modern RCBO installations. So the most people use only the grey products ... The number scheme was wild in the old days - I saved the boxes for rebuy order. The new scheme are better but sometimes only use at one number (e.g. 222, 285) and other number have some different. I do some mistakes in my orders in history.

[@dalriada842]

Is there a difference in the contact resistance of the lever operated version, versus the same conductor size push fit terminals?

[@maxmayorov]

Wago terminal are great! I was wondering , would fused multilevel terminal wago 2003-6641 would accept a usual automotive mini fuse or the fuse adapter 2004-911 is really necessary?

[@obd6HsN]

10:47 is it actually the last *two* digits? Looked like 16 for 16mm, 06 for 6mm?

[@efixx]

Totally correct 👍

[@tommymack3210]

Yes it even says so on the thumbnail

[@OldLordSpeedy]

Yes. Normally it is so. Only on some old one (over 30 years) it was it different. Same for 2/3/4/5/8 out. Can see all in the order number.

[@johndufton9686]

I use these if I need to relocate a consumer unit.

[@ultralaggerREV1]

But what is this supposed to be? Am arduino circuit? Electrical circuit? What projects could I do with these?

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

Is it IET and or IEEE approved ?

[@davethomas479]

So with the Wago type connections will there be a need for AFDD’s do you think?

[@johnhughes2653]

Have to use screw type as it's what our customers specify.

[@phuasdadas]

You can show me wago sensor termial block?

[@PHealey1981]

Wago are so good they’ve even rebranded a flathead driver. 😂😂😂

[@efixx]

Operating tool if you may

[@GeeTheBuilder]

Wish I’d have known about these a few years ago. Anyone know a good supplier here in the UK? 🙏

[@alecturner2008]

I use BPX

[@chrisg6597]

At 6:57 you insert a common link. How do you get them back out? You can't use two Operating tools as the handles would get in the way of each other. The 3 way one as can be seen @ 7:11 would be even worse!

[@mnbvcx]

He removed one at 11:27, but I don't know if thats the right way.

[@tristans5945]

It‘s just push-and-pull for the bridging pieces, no tools required. The row beliow is NOT for the operating tool, but for bridging as well.

[@alecturner2008]

I use long nosed pliers on the sides, sometimes a wiggle with a terminal driver, probably not the Wago approved method.

[@imark7777777]

Twist of the wires together and wrap with tape, you mean that's not a system?

[@TeamSimpsonRacing]

What size conductors can they go upto? Thanks

[@petermichaelgreen]

Looks like the topjob S range tops out at 16mm² for solid and stranded and 25mm² for fine stranded, but wago also do a "high current" range which goes up to 185 mm²

[@DirkGorgiel]

It's not Waygo there's no Way to go....speak it like that: clear VAh GOh...W in German sounds like V in English!

[@efixx]

Yes correct - but most users in the UK still call them Waygo

[@DirkGorgiel]

​@@efixx :-)

[@Ste2023]

the current Future

[@hond654]

I like Wago, but you do not know how plastic will age - it might be brittle and also it might deform under pressure over time. Other than that, it makes life much easier. Guess by the time when it ages you have to rewire anyway...

[@tristans5945]

I‘ve seen these in installations made well over 30 years ago, even in an industrial environment or machinery (e.g. professional bakery ovens). Still in good condition, no need for replacement. These are made by Phoenix Contact as well, I think they were first.

[@alecturner2008]

I had concerns about the springs weakening, in 2012 I did an IR inspection on a 15 year old installation, no warm spots and all passed the tug test first.

[@hond654]

@@tristans5945 Thanks Tristan for the useful information.

[@efixx]

Thanks for the useful time stamp on the screwless DIN rail terminals - tune in to our live stream tonight 8pm prize waiting for you.

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

I like the idea of wago on din Wale connections like in control panels on machinery in factories , but not on sockets outlets / lights switches and ceiling rose definitely not except for the lights fittings that have chocblocks like florescence strip lights and security flood lights. As for CUs again no you have every idiot installing CUs thinking they know what they are doing . We should be making it harder for non qualified people not easier

[@9plusinstalaciones]

Impact Driver

[@martinpoole1451]

1st

[@alimalim8303]

I hate push terminals. very difficult to find proper angle of push. screw forever

[@shanghaiwinman4577]

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[@ricardobranco7357]

QVC

[@efixx]

Quick they are selling out 💨 fast - each one includes a free set of window cleaning 🧽 sponges.

[@sxckyamada]

i didnt understand what yo peoply are say

[@tommymack3210]

Who is breathing so hard? Pls move the MICROPHONE AWAY

[@efixx]

Gaz has a medical issue he is work on.