Willem Kruger : MURDER or ACCIDENT?

[@cindye4114]

Thank you Kelvin, as always an insightful dive into a mystery. The way you detail the events and provide the viewer with as much information as possible, is astounding. Thank you for an awesome channel and all the research you do!

[@CrimeUncut]

Many thanks!

[@Rooigrond]

Mystery and truth is two distictive words.

[@niretgrobler]

Thank you Calvin. This case bothered me from the start. I have notes, I will send them. The thing that bothers me most though, is that the river flows the other way. Right to left. That changes everything.

[@selah181]

Thank you Crime Uncut for your good report, common sense and strict scientific opinion in this case. Your commitment, knowledge invaluable. As someone I admire in the field of forensics and facts, has repeatedly said, "May truth and justice be seen to prevail". Pray in this case too. Thank you for your shared exceptional work in the delivery of forensic work (through strict scientific methodology and detective work) on the tragic Inge Lotz case ("Bloody Lies Too") where the murder still walks "free", as well as shared work, exceptional books "Oscar vs The Truth" and also the Dewani debacle, "Bloodied Bride". One despairs with regard to the shoddy police and prosecution work associated with all these cases and others.

[@CrimeUncut]

Thank you !

[@rachelmurray1228]

With the absence of CCTV footage; which is really suspect already, it cannot be determined what is lies and what is truth. So heartbreakingly sad.

[@mariananel3102]

Thank you. Very interresting chapter. I feel so sorry for his family and friends. My condolences to them as well.

[@susanalberts776]

This is so heartbroken to his mother and father 😭😭😭💔💔 thanks for sharing this,

[@michaeldaiber1895]

Well informed, articulated and logically presented.

[@kaylarouncivell5078]

This was more an opinionated video than a factual video (he stated this himself as not all evidence is released ). In a state of panic why would you remove your flipflop and lip balm, why only slightly open the window when you can rather climb through, why with sudden impact of water would you pull the hand brake up, why try crack a window if it's shatterproof (he would've known this) and dry drowning is just as rare as secondary drowning with adults why is it convenient to say it's dry drowning(if you want to google ). I am not saying he's wrong ,but there are just a lot of questions that need a proper and honest explanation. If it was truly an accident , fewer questions would have occurred. Follow the evidence, wait for the evidence ,the truth will come out with time ,"hastige hond verbrand sy mond."

[@rethalabuschagne7380]

Aggree. This video maker is actually stating that this was not murder... but wait and see...

[@ElmariePretorius-vf7gr]

I have done extensive research on dry drowning in adults because it happened to my husband while on holiday. Anxiety and shock can lead to a dry drowning. Holding your breath for too long can also lead to dry drowning. Reflux can lead to dry drowning. It happens more often in adults than you think. Because it happens once or twice and help is available it does not get diagnosed and reported on. My husband said that it feels as if there is something stuck in your throat and you just can't breathe.

[@CrimeUncut]

Thank you for the very relevant information you shared.

[@neelsduplessis1079]

Hkm moet mense altyd iemand soek om te blaam. Onthou dat drank ook n rol gespeel het. Dit speel maar altyd n groot rol by n bachelors party. Baie hartseer.

[@EARINGS4ME]

Thank you for your research on this case. I believe it was an accident. May his family find peace!

[@fun-stuff-to-do2600]

Such a tragic, heartbreaking incident for a family to deal with. May they find peace in the facts and truth. This is why I am totally against Stag parties or any party where alcohol is consumed that are not held in the safety and security of a caring sober person's home. Too many of these public parties turn out a disaster. Thank you for shedding some much-needed light on the many controversies Kelvin.

[@mievettepeeters6844]

Hi There :) Do you have other platforms that you use to post - I really love your insight on cases, keep up your brilliant work!

[@CrimeUncut]

Just KZbin for now. Thank you !

[@AdairCross-c7f]

Thank you.Your info and insight is excellent.

[@nedor64]

How thoroughly were those at the party interrogated, because this is all about the bakkie the river and the deceased?

[@Rooigrond]

The easy answer is always that it was an accidet when an ordinary man like me can clearly see that it is not the case. You do not have to go to universities to learn that. Its logic.

[@QUINNEETHLING]

Dan het jy nie na die ou geluister nie, inspekteur Derrick.

[@afrikaanseliefdesverhaleen5681]

Thank you. Very informative.

[@andrefouche8725]

God knows what happened.

[@jacqueshanekom822]

There is quite a few other facts you didnt mention for one is Willem NEVER comsumed alcohol and the barlady was fired the very next day to mention only two fact. Whitnessed saw 2 ttucks leaving at the same time in a hurry and only one returned with body damage and broken mirror .........funny isnt it ......a friend he picked up on route had accomodation and Willem not.......oh come on really ? Where was the silt on the truck that was supposed to cover it under water for nine days ?

[@CrimeUncut]

I think your facts are a bit off - be careful where you get your information from.

[@marnevantonder83]

Can you please help with an explanation for why the wheel tracks would not have been found then all the way from where his bakkie apparently left the road? Using maps and the images shown in your video. The road from the parking area to the turn is approximately 70m, assuming max acceleration (11.6sec from 0 -100km/h). He would have been at 65km/h at most at the turn. Now, if he then realized he was of from the road, and he then started applying the breaks, using the same bakkie specs for deceleration (3.6 sec from 100-0), the bakkie would have came to a standstill at 24.18m. Yes this is on the assumption of adequate skid resistance, which was not the case. But the distance from the turn where the road stops to where the wheel tracks were located is around 50m. In perfect conditions he would be able to stop within 25m. Even if wet conditions this bakkie would have been able to break before entering the river. If you argue that the tracks that were under water for days did not wash away then these tracks would extend higher up on the river bank? This part does not seem so plausible?

[@CrimeUncut]

When you calculate stopping distance - there are two components - the perception-reaction distance and the actual barking distance. Under the circumstances it could have taken him up to 2.5 seconds - to observe a danger - to process it - to make a decision and then to start braking. At 65 km/h that equates to 45 meters before he even starts braking. The static coefficient of friction between wet grass and a tire is about 0.3 - that means a max. deceleration rate of about 2.9 m/s^2. (wheels locked - skidding). At 65km/h it would then take 56 m to stop. At 40 km/h he would have travelled about 28m during perception reaction and another 20m to stop. As to why there weren't wheel marks before the paved area - I don't know. It is possible that this area were more compacted as result of vehicle activity over the years. The area on grass between the river and the paved area possibly were not so well compacted. But we don't only have marks - we also have damage to the paved area - and that is what drew attention to the wheel marks. If there were any marks leading to the paved area while the damage was still covered by water - no-one would have taken much notice of the tracks - and would not have made an effort to document and to preserve it.

[@marnevantonder83]

@CrimeUncut thanks for your reply. The 2.5sec is an average in traffic engineering could have been more or less. And the 65km/h is the absolute max he could have traveled. Your calculations also prove that he might have stopped in time. This would have caused skid marks of some kind. I am not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, just trying to follow logical reasoning. Just think that there should have been clear tracks leaving the gravel road. Grass doesn't grow well in "compacted" soils and rather in claying soils, which is more plastic. Drive off from any gravel road on a farm in wet conditions, and the wheel track will be clearly visible. Another point I am finding hard to believe is how someone could mistakenly leave the road and head towards the river without knowing what's happening and then drive straight through a bunch of trees without hitting anything? Quite impressive. Considering the weather conditions and time of night, this is not very plausible? Thanks for your detailed response.

[@CrimeUncut]

Good questions. Say he needed 50 m to stop (PRT + Braking) - at 40 km/h. If the conditions were so poor that night - with the dark and heavy rain that he could not even see 50 m ahead - he would not have been able to stop in time. I will think about your wheel track question - but just want to say at this time the area leading up up to the paved area had much denser lush grass than the area where the tracks were observed - when the grass were sparse and patchy and more bare soil is visible. I will show photos in the my next video I am currently working on to show the difference.

[@barbaralerm9310]

Thank you so much.As the saying goes..'nothing is as it seems'.Enjoyed it,as always.

[@antonetienne3478]

What is the story going around that the were an incident of a possible fight and that Willem hit his head when he fell and that those with him covered it up by putting him in the bakkie and pushed him into the Vaal river?

[@bsleds4585]

People and stories ne

[@antonetienne3478]

I am too lazy to care anyway. @@bsleds4585

[@CrimeUncut]

Lots of stories with nothing to support it.

[@QUINNEETHLING]

Correct, even this guy explains a likely accident as it might have taken place. All the clever people dont need this information. They apparently already know what happened.

[@antonetienne3478]

Well I wazzn't there so I won't know. @@CrimeUncut

[@truds55]

Thank you Calvin just on finding objects in water the guy from Adventure with a purpose are maybe the guys to talk about equipment and techniques to look for objects in water.

[@LisaRoberts-f8i]

How could it be an accident if they keys were not in the ignition and the handbrake was up? This is on SAPS report

[@CrimeUncut]

I explain a possible scenario in my video.

[@hettiepieterse8227]

Very interesting facts. How far is the case now, what's stalling it?

[@CrimeUncut]

I don't know where it is at. Waiting for the police to release their "evidence".

[@raineodendaal9405]

I agree with your views as this has affected a few peoples lives who have been innocent in regards to knowing him. I feel very sorry for his family. All I cannot see in the photos is the current direction? Do you know the exact current direction?

[@francoisjansenvanvuuren5642]

Keys out of ignition and gearbox in park sort've kills the accident theory.

[@KarelBredenkamp]

Not at all. Also, the correct phrase you should use is “sort of.” “Sort have” (sort’ve) isn't even a correct expression in English.

[@benithabadenhorst1946]

If you look at where the bakkie was standing, according to the GPS, and the water level the next day, it would appear that the bakkie was switched off at the time the water took it. That area was under water when the search srarted.

[@sv_endless6340]

You CANNOT push a auto in park number 1. Number 2, the tracks on the ground cleary do not show dragging, which means all 4 wheels was rolling freely. The handbrake was also engage. My theory. The young one drove hit the water, while being under the influance put car in park, handbrake switch of car, removed keys, as it is a normal attitude, and wanted to get out, NOT realizing he was all ready stuck in the car with the water pushing on the door and the force so great you cannot open doors. resulting in drowning.

[@belindavanstaden6437]

Hi is there any new leads on Willem Kruger case?

[@CrimeUncut]

Waiting for the police to reveal their "irrefutable" evidence.

[@charmainevandermerwe5868]

Heartbreaking for his beloved family 😢😢

[@robertgroenewald5880]

This is very one sided , so many facts just dismissed. I get a paid advert feel. Transmission in Park, parkbrake pulled up , key not in ignition and you say he drove into the river himself.

[@CrimeUncut]

These things could have happened after he drove into the river. I am still however waiting for a remotely plausible explanation - with at least some supporting indications - how the truck was placed that deep in the river on the dark Monday night before before it was found - with the transmission in park and the handbrake up. Any ideas?

[@donaldcampbell7222]

Thank you Kelvin very thorough, Do you not think that he might have parked his bakkie (truck) near the waters edges, not really knowing that the river would rise ! That would explain hand brake on keys on the floor ?

[@nedor64]

Why would you put your keys on the floor, doesn't make sense?

[@donaldcampbell7222]

I have a bakkie when ever i go fishing i always put the keys on the floor because I wade in the streams when fishing i don't want the keys/ fob to get wet @@nedor64

[@CrimeUncut]

The damage to the paved area indicates to me that the truck was moving at some speed. The keys were on the floor because it fell there as he tried to escape.

[@ann-o-lene]

I always thought he accidentally drove into the river, switched of the engine, keys in hand, opened his door, the water swept his plakkie of his foot and the lip balm fell out of his right pocket. He realized he is in trouble and phoned his friend, who did not answer. All the while the ri​ver is picking up, to the point where the bakkie starts floating. @@CrimeUncut

[@anettevosloo-dn8sw]

Key could be in hand and after death it will fal from your hand​@@nedor64

[@Karen-h4n4t]

Hoekom sou SAPS so stelling maak as hulle nie feite agter hulle het nie?

[@benithabadenhorst1946]

Polisie het soms die gewoonte om feite te verdraai. Kyk net hoe het hulle drooggemaak met die Inge Lotz ondersoek. Bewyse "geplant" om iemand skuldig te bevind, toe word hulle uitgevang en hul hele saak val plat.

[@jjvanzyl3075]

Lot’s of problems with your depiction of what could have happened. If he drove into the river as seen on the photos should there not have been certain aces where the ground leading towards the river would have picked up damage due to the wetness of the ground and the bakkie driving over the ground. It doesn’t seem like there were any place that was disturbed like this that is in the line in which he was alleged to have driven in. If you claim that when he hit the water that he could have panicked and switched off the engine and pulled out the keys. It could have been, but why in such a instance would he switch off the lights. Would the owner of the lodge and the employees at that time agree to a polygraph. Were all the cctv footage of every minute of every day available. There is no way that with the river in flood that the bakkie when entering the river could have caused the damage to that path on the bottom leading into the river. Even if you drive into the river without a flood present you would not be able to cause such damage if the wheels were turning. If the wheels were stuck and could not turn and a bakkie was either dragged or pushed into a river it is more likely to cause such damage. When he allegedly drove into the water he would have had to hit the windscreen with such a tremendous force that it had to fling his whole body forward with such a force to break a windscreen. Firstly this kind off force is not possible because you are not driving into a solid object. You are driving into water at an angle. Very unlikely if not impossible that he can hit his head with such a force that it would crack open the windscreen so that water would stream in. If he hit his head with such a force that it would have broken the windscreen then there would not be enough force to throw his body back so that the back of his head would hit the back side of the bakkie again. The only way possible is if the whole windscreen was broken to such an extend that there were large amounts of water that would stream in and would fling him back. In this case the bakkie would not float but sink immediately which means the location for the bakkie to be found should have been close to where it entered the water. To my knowledge and I could be wring this lodge is not that busy during the week which means a bigger likelihood of not being seen if you were doing something like dropping a car into a river with a helicopter. I an not saying this is what happened but because of the remoteness of the area and their not being many eyes in the area it is possible to do something like this without someone seeing this happen. I am not saying that this is murder but there are still a lot of things that do not add up which requires further investigation. With all respect, if this is the way you conduct other crime scenes as well then you are the last one to criticise any actions of the police. If you don’t know the full extent of the injuries sustained to the deceased then you cannot make any determination. If you knew anything about investigation then you would know that the autopsy performed determines the direction in which the investigation will run. If you don’t know the severity of the injuries and how many and where all the injuries are then you cannot make any conclusion in this case.

[@christabezuidenhoud7836]

I hope and pray that the truth will come out! The truth will set you free

[@raymondvanderwesthuizen6771]

Funny that you claim all facts must be consider before stating this was either an accident or a murder, yet you are very biased towards this being an accident? You’re the only person making a 50 minute youtube video stating that you know what happened without having all of the facts. The police investigation isn’t even completed yet you seem to be very confident in your armchair investigative capabilities.

[@stewi7922]

last thing to do is to switch off a car, and use a key to break a window?? haha nee my ou,

[@aejonker]

Thank you.

[@Karen-h4n4t]

Wie betaal jou, meneer?

[@CrimeUncut]

Niemand nie.

[@jacqueshanekom822]

Wil ek ook weet !

[@BrendaMuller-r6v]

Hmmm… 💰

[@mornezeelie116]

what does this mean?

[@RenierWessels]

@@mornezeelie116 probably another anti-vaxxer flat earther conspiracy nut.

[@michellemyburgh5175]

What a load of bull

[@christocoetzee5802]

He has passed out Because of to much Buffels fontien

[@tracyroeloffze9749]

Talk about monotone, impossible to listen to - like watching paint 😴😴😴😴

[@GertMynhardt]

Wie betaal jou om hierdie twak kwyt te raak.

[@elmarigouws3214]

Meneer dis snaaks dat jy niks noem oor die plakkies en lip ice nie?

[@CrimeUncut]

Ek praat wel daaroor.

[@francoisjansenvanvuuren5642]

REDRUM

[@jacqueshanekom822]

Dit is baie duidelik nie n nutrale verslag die nie , was jy betaal hiervoor ?

[@CrimeUncut]

Nee - niemand betaal my hiervoor nie. Soek net die waarheid.

[@pauldbeer]

Bad police forensic and other factors continue to mar this accident. An accident never the less, most likely made worst by the use of alcohol, and excessive rain and flooding. A sad set of circumstances that sadly lead to the accidental death of a person. Yet, still an accident never the less!!!

[@Karen-h4n4t]

Hoekom sou SAPS so stelling maak as hulle nie feite agter hulle het nie?

[@Karen-h4n4t]

Hoekom sou SAPS so stelling maak as hulle nie feite agter hulle het nie?