William Cheung & Bruce Lee, 4 Corners Wing Chun? Cantonese secrets! | The Kung Fu Genius Podcast #59

[@1888swordsman]

William Cheung has his place in the promotion of WC in the western world and I thank him for that. It's not my style of WC but I have respect for those who train, but people who keep focusing on who is right/wrong/traditional/modified/etc are wasting their focus which should be spent on self development. Respect.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Agreed, I think the wounds find their roots in his historical and factual claims about the nature of the art. His entire mythology served to promote himself and denigrate even some of his closest Wing Chun brothers. If there is good will sent his way, then he can consider himself lucky. Many still remember what he wrote about others in those days.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

To clarify, I often throw him very goodwill on my podcast as I don’t feel the need to continue to push these political issues of the past. However, his direct attacks on others gives many absolutely no reason to be charitable to him.

[@sifukiinnis1432]

14:23 That particular letter between Bruce Lee and William Cheung can be found in the John Little edited book, "Letters of the Dragon". Along with a few other letters from Bruce Lee to William Cheung.

[@DevaneDevane]

Concerning the photos, didn't William Cheung say "one is the real deal, the other modified" ;)

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Hahaha savage

[@JKDVIPER]

56:30 der.. his hard hand made him hit harder.. lol omgoodness “See, that’s just not understanding science”

[@inatrance92SK]

“Wong Jack Man with a jeri curl” I’m dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@davidreynolds2126]

“If you cannot defeat yourself, how can you defeat an enemy in front of you.” I love that quote. 🙏

[@edwinserrano1070]

1:15:50

[@butcherwing100]

Thanks for discussing my question. Great episode....yet again!

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks for the great question!

[@SiavashSaadlou]

I wish you would interview Adam Chan. He's a cool Wing Chung guy as well.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

We reached out, he’s not interested!

[@JKDVIPER]

57:42 we do teach judo moves in jkd.. although it’s only 1 range

[@colreef]

You didn't disappoint.A bloody cracking episode.Love the banter between you 3 too.

[@JKDVIPER]

1:00:33 “He used our regular vertical yut gee. But.. he winged the fffff thing.. lol AND he explodes his whole body like a fencing hit.. the key to Bruce Lee’s big hit is to wing it, elbow in tight,, hit bottom 3 and drive n push on contact.. it’s like 3 different gassing mechanics

[@devinharper4791]

Hi Sifu Alex. Long time listener of the Dudes & KFG; really enjoy it and your recent Wooden Dummy book. I have some fun AMA fodder for you. 1. What is a kung fu master? Or more specifically, a Wing Tsun master? Are you a WT master? 2. Do you teach unarmed defense vs a knife? 3. Do you still use the rear leg weighted stance? If so, why? Have you experimented with other variations? From Sifu Kernspecht's writtings he says he has transitioned into what he calls the knife stance (Not sure what that is as I am years from learning the knives). 4. What do you see as the weaknesses of the WT system? it seems to me that the limited ground game stands out. Thanks! Happy Fodder! Hi Dre!

[@rikipeters4181]

William Cheung is the Grand Master. Simple.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Intelligently argued.

[@googleuser2609]

@@TheKungFuGenius doesn't require an argument as it's a known fact.

[@Andy-ud1gd]

@@TheKungFuGenius It's probably easy to become confused, when he always introduces himself as: "My name is grandmaster William Cheung" 🙃

[@TheKungFuGenius]

The late grandmaster Yip Man did not appoint a successor, meaning that everyone who used the title “grandmaster”, including my own teacher, used it in a self appointed way. While, I don’t like to perpetuate old politics (you are the guys stuck here in the comments, presumably in a time machine before September 1986), the idea that there is one person who could call themselves grandmaster, especially someone who did so poorly in an open challenge, is kind of laughable.

[@Andy-ud1gd]

@@TheKungFuGenius I was just trying to be funny. My opinion about William Cheung does not deviate an inch from yours.

[@JKDVIPER]

50:30 you know what’s cool.. is when.. you learn all 3 forms chi Sao sensitivity and the jong.. codes begin to pop.. I now cut in to the jong as if the right peg was an opponent.. and the left peg is his friend.. not kidding

[@dannydevito4899]

William Cheung is a great wing Chun man I met him in Fleetwood England at a seminar in 1990 he was really nice

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you for commenting

[@Garrett316]

Just finished THIS episode on Spotify. Great episode, as they all are. I’m glad you touched on ‘Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story’ (again). Fun movie with great fight scenes; and a cameo from Nancy Kwan is worth the price of admission by itself. But the history was total 🐂💩. What part of that film did you dislike the most? For me, it was the “Demon” element.

[@ramondiaz2851]

OH!! wow!! That is shocking to me about the photo with William & Bruce!! Wow!! I believed in it!! But now you showed the truth about it!! Man!!

[@TheKungFuGenius]

It’s old news!

[@cestrell]

The last thing you said was the most important lesson I think you've ever given on here.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you!

[@mikebowman830]

Thank you for the great podcast. I'd love to hear you expound on Juen Ma sometime if possible. Wing Chun seems to be in the extreme minority in its teaching of heel pivoting (most lineages). But unless the floor and footwear allow it seems impractical. Boxing, Taekwondo, JKD, Kali, etc, etc, all teach movement primarily (generalization) on the balls of the feet. Even the saying, "put them on their heels," means to surprise to the point of arresting ability to perform. Is it maybe for developing body unity and not for application? And if it is truly a better way why haven't other styles adopted it? Thank you.

[@adamwoodman4477]

TWC may not looking like Gulo wing chun but it’s does look similar to Hung Fa Yi in application. I say this from experience as I have seen both Grandmasters demonstrate techniques. Hung Fa Yi even has an entry technique similar to TWC.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Ummmm you’re way behind on everyone knowing that HFY was copied from TWC in the 90’s.

[@adamwoodman4477]

@@TheKungFuGenius Interesting, and surprising, I’ve never heard anyone suggest this, can you provide any proof or evidence of this to review. While there are similarities from what I’ve seen and read HFY is more conceptually complex and dense with a very detailed history. They also do not use the strategy to fight on the blindside. So being a TWC Sifu and seeing hung fa yi demonstrated and reading their textbook I would conclude that they share the same roots, but super interested in your suggestion if there is substantial proof beyond a convenient storyline for some camps.

[@googleuser2609]

@@TheKungFuGenius wrong.

[@eddietours3728]

question any way you can get Jesus Bajo on the show i know he lives in Spain :)

[@TheTitanborn]

You're absolutely correct regarding students who have talent but lack work ethic. Some of the greatest martial artists / athletes have the combo of talent and work ethic. Michael Jordan even though a great player would still shoot 700 jumpers a day. UFC champion Jiří Procházka still practices karate straight punches over and over thousands of times even though he is a world champion.

[@wingchunherlev]

Hi Sifu Alex. The Four Corners WT could be a reference to how Sifu Kernspech explains some of his new Chi-Sau Kuen. After having met Gwok Wai Jaam Sifu (the son of the late Gwok Fu), he concluded that what Gwow Sifu taught with centerlines, matched his own theory which he called The Four Corners Wing Tsun.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes I figured, but with the exception of this one anecdote there’s no evidence to support this exists outside of that particular line, therefore the difficulty in justifying it as “an established line or theory “. The problem is in the assumption that this is passed down, revealed knowledge. Both Gwok Fu and Lun Kai admittedly added elements into the system that they read in kung fu novels, so one must be cautious about the historicity of their claims. However if the theory works and is sound that’s fine.

[@wingchunherlev]

@@TheKungFuGenius Yes I have no idea if that was what the questioner meant. I dont think Sifu Kernspecht explains it as an established anything, except its his own terminology to explain what he now sees as his own way to do Chi Sau. I dont think either that Gwok Sifu explains it as four corners wing chun, its only Sifu Kernspechts interpretation of Gwok Sifus explanation, if that makes sense :) I cant say what Gwok Fu learned from Yip Man or invented himself. For triangular research its much better to refer to my own Sifu, Jesper Lundqvist, who has spend a lot of time with different lineages :) And I agree that if what whoever person does is fun and that person finds something useful from it, who am I to question that. One should just always be aware of "authentic" in regards to what is what :)

[@WholeCosmos]

Alex is right I've heard it referred to as the four gates principle. Protect the center from opponents entering any of your 4 gates. I'm guessing It's a Chinese fortress metaphor. If you draw a perpendicular to the center line at the waist you create the 4 gates. You protect your center from opponents entering the 4 gates with shifting at 45 degrees and stepping off line. I haven't heard 4 corners but it seems like a misremembering telephone affect of the 4 gates principle. its just a different metaphor for the 4 quadrants so who cares what its called. "The 4 arms of death". LOL As far as 4 directions That's just a Sifu tricking his students to do repetitions of siu nim tao for 4 x the practice. The students can't see beyond the lesson and then try to use it to discredit Ip Man. That is the epitome of vindictive hypocrisy. WOW. 4 directions LMFAO it IS an f'ing joke. Next thing you know a school will say you need to align your body North south east west exactly when doing it. LOL

[@wingchunherlev]

@@WholeCosmos no its not Sei Muhn. Four corners wing chun is Sifu Kernspechts way of explaining his Chi Sao Kuen or Magic Hands of Kan Ki Fu as he call it now. Not to be mistaken with Sei Muhn.

[@FightCommentary]

Oh man~ I missed this one!

[@chrisdinneen9287]

Hey Sifu Axle 😄 great episode. On the sue nim tuo separating it in to parts in my Fuli Martial arts classes they put it in to 2 parts then for part of your first grading you have to perform the first half of the sue nim tuo and for part of your second grade you have to complete the whole thing. Keep up the great work from a wing chun brother across the pond

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks!

[@jdjjdjd2667]

Sifu ,I feel exactly 💯 of what you're saying about Yip Man. A movie 🎥 about young Yip Man, Yip was telling a colleague about teaching Wing Chun to the 🌎. I 'm sceptic about that ,because of trauma he & his countrymen endure ,I don't think he'd teach any foreigners his skills. I also don't believe he spoke English, but, if his students ( such as Bruce) taught to outsiders, he probably kept his opinions to himself & wouldn't judge his disciples for teaching outside the Chinese Nation

[@skssuccess75]

The Four Corners is what we learn in my wing chun school before we enter Level 1... it's one of the pre level prerequisites

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes it’s a theory, but not a style of Wing Chun

[@Andy-ud1gd]

When it comes to asking Linda Lee questions. I would assume that her answers would not go beyond "the legend" that has been built up over the years through various books and magazines.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes, of course, and, despite people wanting to hear something deeper, why would it be any other way? I don’t know anyone in her position who would do anything differently.

[@Andy-ud1gd]

@@TheKungFuGenius That is indeed true, we would all have done the same. However even back in the 80's. I heard stories about people who saw Bruce Lee in a different light. Than the often almost fairy tales that came from books and magazines ie Black Belt Magazine. They couldn't get any articles printed. There was a lot of money in letting the legend grow. in 1996 I read a book by Tom Bleecker, called Unsettled Matters. I don't know how my opinion would be about it today. But back then, I felt it was a much more accurate description of Bruce Lee, the human being.

[@JKDVIPER]

45:39 pantomime.. lmao

[@powerplay4real174]

Very cool conversation and information, I have studied under two Gm William Chueng students that are Sifu level and they know this is the truth but it's going to leave them Butt Hurt especially the youngest of the two the older one would have been upset back in the mid 80's But what you said was very respectfully and obviously truthful and researched. Thanks for even bring clarity to the BL ,Gm WC & so call modified vs traditional nonsense, I like all systems of Wing Chun. I keep my cup half empty and equally I love Kung Fu 🤜🤛 & Karate 🥋 but as for Karate I prefer to study Traditional Karate for the most part but some non traditional systems have a few good trick also. 🥋⚔️🥋🎯🥋⚔️🥋

[@sattoriemei3210]

There is an interview with Ip Chun who was asked about William Cheung and why his Wing Chun looks vastly different than other Ip Man students. It's on youtube and worth a watch, but the jist of it is that Ip Chun said William Cheung was lazy back in the day... his father was rich so William Cheung had many dates with many ladies and that seemed to be his priority over Wing Chun training. Now that he needs to make a living teaching Wing Chun, he most likely had to make up a lot of moves to fill in the gaps that he doesn't remember and thus his Wing Chun looks very different. But to explain why his Wing Chun looks different, he has to say that he was taught the real traditional Wing Chun.

[@shadowwalker2379]

🗣️ You have ' half ' the story right on William Cheung. He got " kicked " out of Hong Kong for illegal activities and his rich dad was friends with the head of police and made him leave Hong Kong instead of going to prison. He is also involved in a Triade he runs in Australia. I'll get my Sifu from Taiwan to try and come on here and tell the BIG story on Ip Man, William Cheung, and the whole Wing Chun deal soon. The truth will blow you away and piss many Wing Chun people off. /ᐠ｡ꞈ｡ᐟ\

[@sattoriemei3210]

@@shadowwalker2379 Nice! Can't wait!

[@shadowwalker2379]

@@sattoriemei3210 👊

[@rikipeters4181]

Bull

[@sattoriemei3210]

@@grandmasterwilliamcheukhin7598 Although I question whether you are really William Cheung (just joined youtube today huh) your comment gave me a good laugh.

[@Fahim_Lalani]

I don’t like to goat before a fight either but that’s worked really well for me. Thx 🙏 for that input. I’m 38 and lookin younger every day too thx 🙏

[@DrTzeus]

I would ask Linda Lee to tell me about her life and struggles supporting a famous martial art businessmen. (Hey, it is still March isn't it?)

[@fletchkeilman2205]

Dragging the Bruce Lee story was pretty much mirrored after the Bruce Li film Bruce Lee the man the myth. Ho-chung tall played Bruce in that. In fact, the two films are actually pretty closely related. Some of the writers and producers admitted to taking the script from the 20 some year old film at the time and updating it to make it look like a more modern exploitation film. There's no shame in that, it's just like you, watching this in the theater as a 8 or 9 year old, I even saw the many factual errors. I realized, given my suspension of disbelief, that I also took liberties with many of the things in the movie that I knew weren't true, but forgave it to see Bruce gain popularity again. You see, I was a huge Bruce Lee fan when I was a small child, but I grew up in an age of Steven seagal and Jean-Claude van damme. Most of my constituents or peers didn't know who Bruce Lee was, and made fun of me for thinking that Bruce would even have a chance in a fight against the two. My how times have changed Okay. Sorry for the flight ramble I just had. Again. Bruce Lee the man the myth is essentially dragging the Bruce Lee story, and vice versa. Watch the two, and you will see many many similarities. Confirming this was two of the films producers and writers. Sorry about my sentence structure and grammatical errors. I am dictating this into my phone as I am not able to type right now. I'm pretty sure though that most of you understand what I'm saying.

[@wonphi]

You should look up my Sijo Ku Yu Cheung. Bruce Lee undoubtedly knows about him (and only the few hardcore martial artists in Hong Kong). Unlike many masters who were made famous by their students and movies, Ku Yu Cheung is actually high level, with photographic evidence performing incredible conditioning and records in the 1928 lei toi 1st National Chinese tournament. Acknowledged and respected by other masters General Lee Jin Lin, Wan Lai Sheng, Sun Lu Tang etc. He did not have swollen inflammed hands (those who have this do not practice it properly). Ku Yu Cheung is who made Northern Shaolin famous (the same style Wong Jack Man learned although his style is more the Chin Woo version of Northern Shaolin which focuses more on form curriculum, rather than actual combat application). Ku Yu Cheung worked as an armed escort bodyguard in his early adult, thus his focus on practicality rather than forms. You should look into it if you haven't already if you are a Chinese Martial Arts Enthusiast.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I’m good friends with Lung Kai Ming so I know quite a bit about KYC. Bruce had that famous photo of KYC breaking those bricks in his notes.

[@wonphi]

@@TheKungFuGenius I'm not surprised he had the infamous photo. KYC has a lot of skills and legends heard through word of mouth, so similar to Wong Fei Hung... I'm sure he would have been captivated by those stories he may have heard as a child and a reason why he was interested in learning the Northern Shaolin System, or the variant mixed Buk Sing Choi Lei Fut guys as well.

[@JKDVIPER]

17:02 I should explain, as a JEET KUNE DO guy, I can tell you this much for certain. Jeet is a method of timing, interception comes from the white crane, wing chun is the core, the more of the system you learn, the more answers come out. I’m embarrassed at the level I’ve seen in many jkd people, it looks like BASIC WING CHUN , it’s almost like, they have no clue that we’ve been doing this stuff already for years n years n years, the average wing chun student/master knows way more than what the JKD LINEAGES are teaching people. I should say, we do have a few legit ones that won’t sell you out, but anybody who’s looking for pure popularity? Ya, no good

[@shadowwalker2379]

Try and get Sifu " James Keating " on your show KFG, interview him. He is 70 and started in the Seattle area and knows a lot of people on this whole subject including Fook Yeung and his students.

[@AztecUnshaven]

First off, just wanna say, fantastic episode, jam packed with great questions and answers and entertaining as always my friend! Now, that being said, I know you don't wanna dwell on this topic too much, but I gotta ask, in regards to your comments at 34:28 about Fook Yeung... shouldn't we acknowledge that Jesse Glover (RIP) himself had stated on multiple occasions that Fook Yeung did indeed teach Bruce for quite awhile? To further corroborate this too, is a very detailed interview on the "JKD Ronin Podcast" with Sifu Steve Smith. Steve is one of the few that trained closely with Jesse Glover, Ed Hart AND Fook Yeung. Steve mentioned in detail Fook's Gongfu skill being pretty amazing, and his comments on Bruce and Fook are pretty similar with Jesse's account. I just don't see why Jesse would bring up Fook's name if it wasn't significant, and I don't think it takes anything away from Bruce's greatness, as both Steve and Jesse mentioned that Fook praised Bruce's crazy work ethic and discipline. Anyway, keep up the great content good sir.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes but the Fook Yeung cultists have gone way above the claims made in your comment… that’s why I had the snark.

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@TheKungFuGenius Ahh, I see, fair point. On a side note, it was awesome to see you mention the great Wai Hong! I remember seeing a badass documentary on Fu Jow Pai from the late 70s (or early 80s?) that featured Sifu Hui Cambrelen... I think it was called the Warrior Path or something along those lines.

[@shadowwalker2379]

Yes, too many are putting Fook Yeung on praise status for teaching Bruce Lee advanced martial skills. I have documents proving ' who ' taught Bruce Lee his other advanced martial arts training in China, not America. I'll share this soon. (✪㉨✪)

[@BRUCEJJ66]

@@shadowwalker2379 Was Bruce Lee ever in China? Did he ever set foot in China at any point in his life?

[@shadowwalker2379]

@@BRUCEJJ66 yes ←_←☜ (↼_↼)

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Awesome episode! :) I also love the silly crap! ;)

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Me too!

[@JKDVIPER]

6:30 I don’t know why sifu cheung does all those extra movements? That’s the only thing I’ve seen or heard? He did say always fight from the blindside?

[@eddietours3728]

24:08 badass story

[@eddietours3728]

47:28 🤣🤣🤣

[@sattoriemei3210]

BTW, you need to do the form twice to form a corner... but it's best to do the form four times so that you get the last corner for free.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

You know what… you’re right!

[@tellme34]

For Q&A. KungFu movie recommendations not Bruce Lee or Heros of the East?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Great question

[@JoJoKenn94]

Hey KFG, I used to think William Cheung's wing chun wasn't good. Then I saw the video of Rah Sun getting into that physical confrontation with the "JKD" guy in his back garden and his training worked perfectly when shit hit the fan! Similarly I'd look at Keith Kernspecht's videos using non-classical WT, unique stuff like bending his spine and concaving the chest to dissolve force etc. Pretty odd looking and quite easy to call shitty WT. But then I'd do chi-sau with Ireland's National instructor Rainer Tausend (Kernspecht's student) and his pressure made it impossible for you to do ANYTHING, and he was using the "crappy looking Kernspecht WT" 😂 Question: did you ever have that own-group bias for your own style of WT and was it specifically your first hand experience training with other styles that made you appreciate the other styles? 😁

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Sifu Tausend is my Si-Hing! Whether people can fight or not is much more an individual thing rather than the style that they come from. If you’ve watched my podcast enough you might get the impression that I am not someone who is stuck only looking at his own line - but if that’s the impression you got… watch more episodes!

[@JoJoKenn94]

@@TheKungFuGenius Deffo not the impression I got, you're quite different to a lot of purist WC people out there 🤗 thanks for the great reply!

[@akaalisbenjamin2093]

The biomechanics that the Kernspecht's lineage uses seems awkward from a mobility standpoint. Can they dominate in chi sau and perhaps close quarters? I'd think so. But they look like they have no defense against kicks because of their lack of mobility with 30/70 ratio on their back leg. Especially if it was a Muay Thai practitioner who would continually fire long range shin kicks, I reckon that Kernspecht's magical close range WT would go out the window and he'd have his legs snapped in half.

[@Montie-Adkins]

Future episode question: Who was the man at the Long Beach demo in plane clothes who stumbled back over a dozen feet after Bruce Lee struck him to his padded chest, and Lee held a dramatic pose afterwards? The stumbling back is interesting and all but it is the moment of impact that shows Bruce Lee's power, after only moving his fist about a foot.

[@BRUCEJJ66]

That was Bob Baker (who became a bit infamous last year when we found out he was Bruce's drug supplier). I don't doubt that Bruce's punch was indeed impressively powerful, but Bob was Bruce's (& James Lee's) friend & student, I suspect he may've over-reacted/exaggerated his reaction to make his teacher look great. That's what students do when their teacher is demonstrating on them.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I don’t know who that was but it was 100% not Bob Baker

[@johnlee5423]

@@TheKungFuGenius it was a young Art Garfunkel

[@BRUCEJJ66]

@@TheKungFuGenius He was identified as Bob Baker by Mito Uyehara in his book Bruce Lee: The Incomparable Fighter (page 26). Perhaps you're thinking of the smaller Chuck Norris student, the guy in the Tang Soo Do outfit? If you look at the face of the guy in street clothes in various pictures you can clearly see that it's Baker (though he didn't have the mustache he had in Hong Kong a few years later).

[@Blackfire45954]

Love the show👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾

[@theshiretones3895]

I've often wondered why actors play Bruce Lee like the character he portrayed in his movies rather than as he would have been in real life. Surely there were enough people who knew him personally that could relay how he was off-screen. Just my thoughts.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

That list is getting smaller and smaller by the year…

[@theshiretones3895]

@The Kung Fu Genius Yes sir, indeed it does, sadly. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Stay well Sifu 👊🏽

[@WholeCosmos]

Alex is right I've heard it referred to as the four gates principle. Protect the center from opponents entering any of your 4 gates. I'm guessing It's a Chinese fortress metaphor. If you draw a perpendicular to the center line at the waist you create the 4 gates. You protect your center from opponents entering the 4 gates with shifting at 45 degrees and stepping off line. I haven't heard 4 corners but it seems like a misremembering telephone affect of the 4 gates principle. its just a different metaphor for the 4 quadrants so who cares what its called. "The 4 arms of death". LOL As far as 4 directions That's just a Sifu tricking his students to do repetitions of siu nim tao for 4 x the practice. The students can't see beyond the lesson and then try to use it to discredit Ip Man. That is the epitome of vindictive hypocrisy. WOW. 4 directions LMFAO it IS an f'ing joke. Next thing you know a school will say you need to align your body North south east west exactly when doing it. LOL My secret sauce is BAT GUA 8 directions. LOL.

[@Fahim_Lalani]

Goating doesn’t help much and neither does anger as they will only make skills worse not better thx 🙏 for such an incredible video

[@HUEnshiro_do_Norte]

You guys don't understand. That photo is true. It was got with "Modified Wing Chun". 😏

[@TheKungFuGenius]

😂 😂 😂

[@powerplay4real174]

They even have a Gm William Chueng Advanced Sil Lum Tao form that popped up a few decades back and it looks cute but it BS as a part of Wing Chun and my original instructor told me William C. made it up . Because he never taught or learned it ,but his student that later because a Sifu did.

[@wolf3001]

We were taught a second version of the form that had some added moves but if it's what your talking about from my understanding it was just a newer interpretation. I never seen much reason for two versions and I practice them as one form.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Again, it’s very important to reiterate that I don’t have a problem with and/or care what he actually taught.

[@powerplay4real174]

@@wolf3001 My original Sifu (no name dropping) told me that Gm WC made the Advanced Sil Lum Tao form up and it was not a form Yip Man tuaght. He has and still has the highest respect for Gm WC. And when I first meet this Sifu in the Mid 1980's they push the Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu with Bruce Lee's Deadly Footwork. WOLF3001 ,if the so called advance Sil Lum Tao is what your referring to it didn't exist when I was doing the co called Traditional Wing Chun which was 36 year ago and then when I came back in the year 2008 under a Sifu who was not around when I was originally but learn from the same instructor,them a few other they was on the new form BS as my original Sifu said it was BS. And the only reason I didn't go back to may original Sifu at that time was I couldn't find him because he had moved. The KFG was very respectfully and truthful & insightful in his information as he is on many subjects around the topic of Wing Chun and Kung Fu.

[@wolf3001]

@@powerplay4real174 I started in 2001 and I believe my teacher and his wife started some time in the 80s. I think he said they started in another Wing Chun school before training with Cheung. William Cheung definitely created his own system. The advanced form as they call it as far as I know is their creation and to my knowledge wasn't advertised as some secret version. If it's the same as what I was taught it just adds a few more applications of techniques. I never seen much point it's a matter of preference I guess. There is a couple steps added with a hip throw. You step around your opponents leg and using a Fak Sau you knock them over. This replaced the double Fak Sau. I have compared a lot of different Wing Chun systems and some have differing views on applications. If you look at Karate systems that practice the same Kata you will see it as well people do things differently or make changes to suit them. My guess is that William Cheung added his own ideas and probably did some of it to fill in the gaps of his own training. I was away for a few years and trained alone from books and videos before finally going back. I basically taught myself our dummy form because when I left I only knew close to half. I want to know if Cheung had any contact with other Wing Chun people after moving to Australia.

[@powerplay4real174]

@@wolf3001 I appreciate your honesty and your dedication is good to be able to self teach yourself that wooden dummy set.

[@nicksmith3746]

Are you part Chinese? Your Cantonese pronunciation is very good. 😄

[@NeilCouttsShow]

heeheh he didnt go to australia to study, i got an interview with william, but need to edit it, and the problem the interview is not complete

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Would love to see it if you publish it.

[@NeilCouttsShow]

@@TheKungFuGenius will reach out to you when complete.

[@chicken133221]

Thank you

[@TheKungFuGenius]

You’re welcome!

[@flonomcflooneyloo7573]

Have to say that when you think about it conditioning your knuckles is not really a good, or useful idea. Shouldn't you be hitting the soft surfaces of the body? Head shots should be with the palm, or soft parts of the neck (and eyes) with the fingers. Better to condition the palm for chops to the, say, collarbone or temple, right.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

In theory yes, but martial arts go beyond utilitarian needs for most. Also it’s easy to say these things in theory - harder to be so precise in actual combat.

[@tenholindberg9862]

Great ep thanks. Btw genius, it would be great if you talk some time, about the chu chu mans weng chung lineage. It is my understanding, that In chi sao they roll their hands otherway aroud, from out to inside kindah. It seems super akward to do It as such, but what are your toughts about it?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I’m not qualified to discuss that topic!

[@eddietours3728]

Best thing out of UK Led Zeppelin

[@jerrydmann]

Love the show. I learn a lot about the history of various martial arts among other things. Question- if you could do a remake of Warriors Two and Prodigal Son, who would you cast as the main characters for each of the movies? As a martial arts movie buff, it would be interesting to hear your take.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Great question!

[@hotlanta35]

Donnie Yen 😁

[@jerrydmann]

@@hotlanta35 for which movie/ character?

[@jasonkeaton5140]

How come wing tsun/ chun guys never work against Greco? Seems to be the real problwm in a similar range

[@TheKungFuGenius]

That’s a great question, I personally don’t have much Greco experience besides some stuff I learned from my BJJ coach.

[@ken198100]

Have you seen the interview where cheung said Bruce took steroids?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Of course he would know, the last time he saw Bruce was 1959 when they were 18.

[@ken198100]

@@TheKungFuGenius he said Bruce spoke to him over the phone and told him about thinking about taking steroids because he was losing so much weight.. I see this on a Bruce lee movie dvd. It was on a extra

[@ken198100]

@@TheKungFuGenius I just wondered if you have seen it

[@ctlefler8684]

Great episode, Grandpaps! 😄

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks!

[@cestrell]

If they can have Eye Pee Man visiting San Francisco, why can't we have a Tang Sang movie where he's living in NYC Chinatown??!!

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Lol

[@powerplay4real174]

Hey KFG It is well believed that Bruce Lee seriously like men's fashion and enjoyed getting dapper ,in one of you up coming pod cast can you tell us what if any you may know or heard about his GQ style. Peace Brother KFG ⚔️

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I may need to be called the fashion genius

[@nicholaswestendorf1983]

If its not Kulo Pin Sun Wing Chun, its not Leung Jans wing chun.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Nope

[@JKDVIPER]

8:35 “Right” why care?

[@louiskruse5441]

Sifu Richter-Have you ever trained to perform the One Inch Punch? James DeMille wrote about it years ago but I am not aware of anyone performing it like Bruce Lee.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Do you know I teach Wing Tsun right? 🤭 You know it’s not only a Bruce Lee thing, right? The DeMile/Bruce Lee inch punch is a modification of Dempsey‘s falling step which I also can do, but that’s not the inch punch and it’s original form. Inch power is a demonstration of “cheung kiu faat lik” and is not a fighting technique per se.

[@louiskruse5441]

@@TheKungFuGenius Thanks Sifu! I appreciate the response.

[@shadowwalker2379]

Study hsing yi.

[@bluez4u2]

I bet you don't have R. Guerra's masterpiece of a book. 🤣

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Just no room on the shelf

[@VictorParlati]

Since you went out if your way to mention (at least 3x) that William Cheung doctored a photo of himself and Bruce Lee… And since you made a pint of saying that Willism was a bully who stood 34-5 inches taller than his classmate in Ip man’s school… The implication being that he really wasn’t the best fighter in the clan but just bigger… And since you said that Leung Ting never made any claims about inheriting the mantle from Ip Man… It’s s time for me to clear the air about some things. Before becoming William’s student in 1983 I spent 8 years training in Ving Tsun Moy Yat - another student of Ip Man.Mai began in May, 19875…T least 4 years before William went public with TWC. And therefore before he became the black sheep of the family. And Sif Moy (who stood 6’ tall, btw)…had enormous respect for William and talked about him often. Now guess who the black sheep was in the 1970’s ?? That’s right: Leung Ting !! Why? Because if huskies and because he was a grifter, According to Moy Yat it was common knowledge that Leung Ting never learned anything directly from Yip Man - whatever he learned came totally from his sihings. But he was in the mid-late 70’s trying to pass himself off not only as a direct student of Ip Man BUT ALSO AS….Ip Man’s last student and therefore the inheritor of the Ving Tsun system, HE PASSED HIMSELF OFF AS THAT - and not dinemagaine editors like you claimed. I read all the magazine articles from those days and he CLEARLY tried to deceive people into thinking that he was somebody special within the wing chun world. He was the “ last student” of Yip Man. Nonsense. And he so enraged the other students that Wong Shun Leung went out of his way ato embarass him at ip Man’s funeral in 1972. Moy Yat told us that it was decided that the DIRECT students of Ip man would wear black armbands on their suit jacket,… Moy Yat showed us an 8x10 glossy photo of another Ip Man student, Ug Chat, as he was walking towards the coffin and I saw the arm band. When Leung Ting showed up wearing a black arm band Wong Shun Leung got furious and demanded that he take the arm band off… Which he did with phony apologies and stuck in this suit jacket pocket. I grew up in Brooklyn in the 1950’s and 60’s and mist have had at least 20 street fights by the time I was 18… So I knew bullshit when I saw it. And I can re Ember laughing my ass off at the front cover of one of the magazines maybe around 1976 It was Leung Ting doing a move that nobody in the history of the world ever pulled off unless he was up against a midget !! He he sone guy’s both arms trapped with one of his - while standing on one leg and delivering g a kick to the guys ribs with his other leg… AND was punching the guy in the face with his other hand. The most blatant ridiculous move I ever saw Leung Ting do but there were plenty other nonsense ones. He knew how to market himself, though…that’s for sure.

[@Chris-lc5vf]

Hi KFG, looking forward to it! Also, I had a question after listening to last week's. I remember you mentioning a few times that you liked to read the books that Bruce read to try to get an idea into his mind. What are your thoughts on Bruce’s reading on self-help books and the like? I know you touched on Jiddhu Krishnamurti and Bruce's Chief Definite Aim? Any thoughts on Bruce’s mindset on reading so much self-help literature and were there any that helped you?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Great question

[@JKDVIPER]

8:29 “Hi Sifu, I’ll give an example of how Master Cheung does things” “When he does his BUI GEE, he rips the KOP JARN and swims underneath his armpit but he doesn’t turn all the way, he comes out at an angle and uses these wide looping shots or wide HUEN SAO of the whole arm, and does a half turn instead of 1-2-3 double piercing hands 1-2-3 kop bui ja jeung fak sao wu sao chit sao bui gee. That may be what they we referring too

[@kaykath4575]

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[@ramondiaz2851]

Very true KFG!!!

[@Fahim_Lalani]

Just look at khabib. He’s like the new Bruce lee but he never goats I think 💭 and he’s the best fighter out there in mma . Thx 🙏 again. Much love ❤️ to y’all

[@messiaspereira6232]

Grand master is an ego title and unnecessary

[@jdjjdjd2667]

Being a business owner in New York 😬?? Sifu? I'll answer that...VERY 🤑 EXPENSIVE 💸 🤑!!!

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Ridiculously!