William Lane Craig | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 50

[@michaelpisciarino5348]

0:23 *Welcome Dr. William Lane Craig* 1:37 _Why is there such a decline in religious belief in The West?_ 3:03 “Why should you get up in the dark and the cold to worship someone you don’t think is there?” 4:06 Nietzsche, “God is Dead”, Enlightenment sweeps away The Church 5:25 Faith backed by reason • A Renaissance of Christian Belief In Philosophy 7:40 What is the most reasonable proof of God? *The Cosmological Argument* (8:18) 1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause 2. The Universe began to exist 3. Therefore, The Universe has a cause *The Moral Argument* (9:18) (1) If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist (2) Objective moral Values exist (3) Therefore, God Exists 10:12 Objections/Response to The Cosmological Argument 11:55 Objections/Response to The Morality Argument 13:32 What are the strongest objections to God? Build a Steelman. Where are your objectors the strongest in their objections? 14:46 _ZipRecruiter_ 15:46 Bertrand Russell *The External Transcendent Cause Argument* (16:03) 1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence either in necessity of its own nature or an external cause 2. If the Universe has an explanation of its existence, then its explanation is a Transcendent external cause 3. The Universe Exists Cn: Therefore, The Universe has a Transcendent external cause 17:25 Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Vaccum *The Ontological Argument* (19:13) 1. That than which nothing greater can be thought not only exists in the mind but in the real world 2. God is that than which nothing greater can be thought Cn. God Exists 21:22 Maximally Great Island 23:12 What makes God a Constant vs a Clockmaker (Deism) God necessarily exists. Can’t cease to exist. 25:23 Aquinas and Aristotle. _Athens And Jerusalem_ 26:00 Monotheism. *_Who Was Jesus?_* 28:47 Judaism On Jesus 32:00 Religio-Historical Context (1) Jesus tomb was discovered empty (2) Seen walking around after (1) (3) The Disciples believed he had been risen from the dead 36:15 Babba turabi (?) 37:17 “Good evidence doesn’t become bad evidence just because of the lapse of time” 38:25 The Necessity for Judaeo-Christian Revelation. Why a Personal God? - Atonement For Sin - Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for Mankind 42:45 Craig’s 1st Debate. Craig’s rematch debate 44:03 *Problem of Evil* 😈 Intellectual and Emotional Suffering 46:00 The Evils of The Bible Indentured Servitude/Slavery, an Anti-Poverty program 49:10 _Divine Command Theory_ Divorce? 51:55 It is grounded in The Creation Story. 54:00 Relativism and Objectivity 55:25 Jordan Peterson 57:20 Reeducating Religion 58:49 What made you religious William?

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

First like

[@vikasparashar9238]

Wonderful

[@JCATG]

Wow! Thank you so much for this!

[@JCATG]

@Jack Richardson So that makes you informed as an unbeliever? What a dumbass.

[@tysonhawk5437]

Wow. Thanks!

[@StevenBancarz]

This is unbelievable. What a win for the Kingdom having this man on.

[@EfisioCross]

Steven Bancarz ❤️

[@glennjohn3919]

Hi Steven, I'm curious if you consider yourself a Calvinist?

[@StevenBancarz]

@@glennjohn3919 I don't no :)

[@glennjohn3919]

@@StevenBancarz awesome.

[@GreekOrthodox7]

@@StevenBancarz Your videos are such a blessing, man! God bless you and we all praise Him for revealing Jesus Christ to you!

[@RichLuciano1]

Ben: It feels like the resurrection is not interesting to me. WLC: Facts don't care about your feelings.

[@RobbDepp]

Yes!

[@appalachiahiker853]

Richard Luciano 😂😂😂 Hahah Indeed bro

[@WilliamBrownGuitar]

How could he possibly uninterested in something that, if true, would affect his entire worldview and eternal salvation? Ben, who is an intelligent guy (understatement) seems to be in some sort of serious cognitive dissonance here.

[@aprescienceofhumor7977]

The cost benefit analysis seems to be not worth the risk. Ben is happily orthodox and community, tradition, history, and family is too high a price to risk seriously entertaining Christianity may be true. Jesus did not come to rescue thise that think they are healthy, but the sick and those who know and struggle with their sin...

[@ThatReadingGuy28]

That’s so great!!

[@natebozeman4510]

This is one of the first times I have ever seen Ben Shapiro get genuinely bested in a debate (and I'm specifically referring to when they were talking about Jesus of Nazareth, and the evidence for His resurrection). Craig is truly exceptional.

[@fr.Angel21]

Ben Shapiro says "I find these historical evidence uninteresting", that is where he lost.

[@aricardocanales]

It wasn’t a debate. Ben Shapiro didn’t want to use his argumental muscle, he just let the guy express the answers as he pleases…

[@Dan16673]

​@@fr.Angel21 thats code for f8ck you got me. Even though Craig is wrong also all this religions stuff is gibberish

[@Sllice]

Nate you didn't use your ears brother, Ben was positing arguments from the devils advocate perspective. Keep up the good work though, these videos will inform you better.

[@masonwilkinson5922]

@@Sllice He was definitely not posting arguments from the devil's advocate perspective. These 2 a clearly on opposite sides of the argument and Ben was literally unable oppose his opponents arguments. Ben doesn't often get bested in a debate but in this case its kind of hard to win a debate when your not on the side of truth. That is why he lost this one.

[@mark123ministries]

WLC is shockingly bright and truly a blessing to Christians. All glory to Jesus Christ...God Bless

[@mypublicchannel3884]

Actually, he's a total moron.

[@eliasbarrasa7320]

Dd S The Bible talks about the water cycle the round earth hanging on nothing The fact the earth spins Deep sea springs Germ theory The possibility of space travel and lots of other stuff not discovered till much later. The Bible Predicts the future The formation of Israel in one day The destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and the scattering of the Jews. Cyrus and what he'd do. The life of Jesus and what He'd do. For instance His . Betrayel and rejection by the Jews death in detail His ressurection The fact that He'd make the whole world worship the God of the Jews. Who has always been a trinity The unseen LORD the angel of the LORD and The Spirit of the LORD. I've seen God change even hardened criminals lives God changed my life. Just like the bible says. The Bible is true it even predicts your hatred Bc nonbelievers always hate on the real God for no reason other than that they recognize and hate their creator I'm sad for you cuz if you'd just believe in Jesus your hatefilled heart would change. I hope one day you understand that Jesus the person you hate so much is actually the only one who truly loves you.

[@torahislife]

Oh please. WLC is a running joke outside of Christian circles...

[@INFINITEMODIFICATIONS]

@@eliasbarrasa7320 Lol the bible predicted germ theory huh? Everything you just stated is a lie.

[@eliasbarrasa7320]

J Long Round Earth Isaiah 40:22 Water cycle Isaiah 55:10-11 & Job 36:27-28 Psalm 135:7 God hung the earth on nothing Job 26:7 Spinning earth causes day and night they used to rotate or spin a seal unto clay to imprint it. And here it says morning is caused just like that. Job 38:12-14 Deep sea Springs Job 38:16 Germ theory Numbers 19:18 use of antiseptic to cleanse one who was unclean. Numbers 19:20 laws of quarantine. Leviticus 13:52 active pathogens burned with fire. Leprosy had a broad scope ranging from pimples to the disease we know of today. Leviticus 11-15 stay away from vultures and certain insects. Stay away from corpses and carcasses Shave all your hair wash his clothes bathe in water and be clean. You're unclean if you were around them look at the washing in running water. The burning of persistent stains the washing of clothes of people who were in contact with the infected the cleaning of the objects. The quarantine of unclean infected people Leviticus 15:31 all these rules so that MY people God says wouldn't die in their uncleaness. Isaiah 66: 8 Israel being established in one day May 14,1948 that happened when the U.N. declared Israel a nation and A lot of Jews flooded back to Israel from all around the Globe. Mark 13:1-2 Luke 21 Matthew 24 The destruction of the temple these were all written around 60 A.D. 10 years or so b4 the Fullfilment in AD70 Isaiah 7 and 9 say the messiah would be God b4 the doctrine came to be Isaiah 49 52 and 53 Jesus being the one to bring salvation to the ends of the earth the Crucifixion of Jesus in detail and the doctrine of substitutionary atonement that brought salvation and the worship of the God of Israel to the gentiles. Christianity spreading all over the world from the death of Jesus. Isaiah was written 800 years b4 this happened. Nothing I said is a lie If your just honest with yourself look at these facts study the bible In fact I challenge u to try and disprove it some of the most brilliant Athiests have tried to disprove the bible and end up becoming Christians. Christianity is the truth and I want you on our side Believe in Jesus God died on the cross for our sins to take us to Heaven forever for free and came back from the dead to prove it to us if you believe God took you to Heaven by dying for you you go to heaven forever as I showed you above there is plenty of reason to trust the Bible so you shouldn't have to wait to trust in Jesus just trust him now

[@jaebee9308]

Ben- when you asked him to tell his personal conversion story- My heart jumped. Thank you for being a man of integrity. Giving him that platform, though you don't agree that Jesus was the promised Messiah, was a class move and did a good that you can't yet imagine.

[@samanthasowell6350]

He's had so many men like this on recently that I'm not sure if he's unknowingly trying to help other people to Jesus.....or if the seeds planted in Ben's heart are starting to sprout out looking for more light.

[@drewwilson7005]

Agree

[@jackh.6217]

Good question

[@nateschlosser3806]

I think he realizes that he can expand his conservative audience by appealing to Christians which are the majority of the conservative party. @@samanthasowell6350

[@doomslayer5191]

Perhaps Ben wanted to hear WHY Christian's faith. in The Messiah.

[@dustindodson3014]

Love Dr. Craig!!! His ministry played an important role in my conversion to Christianity.

[@MeanOldLady]

@@nateschlosser3806 - How much time can someone waste on vain, materialistic pursuits before putting a gun to his head out of nihilistic despair?

[@nateschlosser3806]

@@MeanOldLady I wouldn't know the answer to that question, but based on the general atmosphere of things, I'd be willing to guess quite a lot. I'm a minimalist myself.

[@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147]

@@nateschlosser3806 What is your stance on god?

[@nateschlosser3806]

Hi Evan, my stance is that God is the center of all things and that the word of God is made manifest and observable through natural law. That is not to confuse the divinely gifted reason inherent in natural law with the narrative of modern scientism which seems to me just as dogmatic as any religion. I don't think one could separate themselves from God if they made it their life's sole ambition. They still couldn't separate themselves from God. @@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147

[@denniswilkerson5536]

@@nateschlosser3806 Hell is seperation from God, so when you love your sin and make it your lifestyle, when we come to pass that's where we'll be headed

[@xJessiGirlProx]

I love how chill and respectful Craig is in this conversation. He has a conviction but he’s not so overly passionate that it puts anyone off.

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

So right

[@orangemango1492]

​@@laurabaylessjohnson6749You're exactly right.

[@ronaldsmith6829]

Quite so, and Ben is typically dismissive and arrogant.

[@matiastorres9849]

there's people that like it, and there's people who doesn't, no need to be passive aggressive

[@joenuevo]

He has both conviction and passion. He just understands how to interact with people that disagree with him, a skill that is increasingly rare in our society.

[@toddsher2112]

Wonderful. A Jewish commentator and a Christian philosopher sitting casually and having a conversation about life, the universe, and everything. I wish we had this sort of civility in American politics, where fellow earthlings could sit in love and compassion and understanding and just converse with patience and with an ear, mind, and heart aimed at understanding each other. Great discussion, thank you gentlemen.

[@vvanderer]

It will come again. Maybe Mr Trump is the laxative the American nation needed.

[@dangoodwin5954]

Bill Simmons, Bigoted, antisemitic racist. Pathetic insecure basement dwellers who lash out at people in racist, antisemitic fashion are the most despised lagging stocks in all of society. Do get professional help in the hopes that one day you might be a positive productive member of society.

[@lechatbotte.]

This is honest discussion. I believe Ben is actually one seeking to know what others think and he’s looking for answers. This speaks to his faith. Jesus was Jesus the first Christians were Jewish. See acts for when this term began to be used. Jews are looking for messiah, but they missed him then as now because they looked for an earthly savior.

[@Sophia-tf6yi]

@Bill Simmons Both are "Jewish." William Lane Craig was born to a Jewish family and later converted to Christianity. Ben Shapiro was born to a Jewish family also, although his nose is 100% NW, East European and he looks Turkic.

[@zac3392]

TJ Sheridan Leftist ideology is increasingly based on emotion, which doesn’t usually withstand rational discussion... sadly thus the riots and incoherent shrillness

[@curlygirlwrites]

Now THIS is how two people with differing beliefs and opinions have a dialog. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you.

[@bigworldddd9566]

Hear, hear!!

[@tifftalks6597]

Thank you. I've had an atheists tell me that christians are irrational for believing in the God of the bible, but Ben Shapiro is a rational, good debater; who believes in the God of the old testament. Atheists like these are insufferable and arrogant, in my opinion.

[@vvanderer]

In many ways their beliefs are complementary and aligned Jews don't think Christians are going to hell. And by no means all Christians want to convert the Jews. I think most thinking people of faith prefer a God fearing person to an atheist.

[@tifftalks6597]

@@vvanderer The definition of a Christian is a person who follows Christ's teachings. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life" - John 3:16 that doesn't exclude Jews, Atheists, anyone. "He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."-Mark 16:15 I get where you coming from. Eternal damnation is so harsh that it seems crazy that any person could stomach that Idea, but Christ gave us another option. The Idea that I can forgive others the way christ forgave me gives us a direct relationship with God, and a platform to have unconditional love for others. Death has no power or sting for people in christ. True christians want to spread that. not just gum drops and gummybear theology.

[@vvanderer]

@@tifftalks6597 indeed Joy what you say makes sense :) Personally I'm not a Christian. My view of my own personal salvation is based on right thought word and deed, with a large spoonful of self examination and repentance. And I need hardly aďd, sincere humility.

[@alexm7014]

The most ambitious crossover event since infinity war

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Alex Mirage hahahaha

[@appalachiahiker853]

Alex Mirage 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍

[@djangozaqwwqewegf6196]

You have poor taste in human beings

[@EfisioCross]

Alex Mirage 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@turtle5173]

DjangoZaqwwqewegf619 By saying that means?

[@nathanbryant1149]

Ben, I doubt you will ever see this comment, but you are truly an incredible thinker and talk show host. Your ability to stay calm and collected and to let Dr. Craig speak, and finish his thoughts, is absolutely unheard-of in this day and age. I'm entirely of Dr. Craig's viewpoint here, but I'm just incredibly thankful for your professionalism and thoughtfulness in this discussion.

[@MollerFarm]

If Ben were an incredible thinker, I would hope he learns from his interviews and not just ask questions. I find Ben to not venture down paths that make him uncomfortable. Humility, instead, would be a much more appealing quality. Praying for him to see the truth.

[@franklynch9054]

I was about to say the same. He is not constantly interrupting and spewing contempt as so many do.

[@uncatila]

Ben is a fast talking dodger

[@Rhenadhis]

Unheard of? Which content do you consume? Tom and Lisa Bilyeu (Impact Theory), Steven Bartlett(Diary of a CEO), Kojo (lbb91) among many others interview people and actually listen without interrupting

[@ENFPerspectives]

Absolutely

[@Crivera1983]

As much as I love Ben Shapiro...boy oh boy...he met his match with William L Craig. As a Messianic Jew I was so proud of Dr. Craig.

[@efraimcooper5936]

Oy you fell for the bait..

[@kedduff1814]

Efraim Cooper Try the bait, the hook is amazing.

[@efraimcooper5936]

@@kedduff1814 ha. I'm fine with Legitimate Judaism.

[@efraimcooper5936]

@@JM-19-86 is it? Because I'm pretty sure that Jesus and his followers were Pharisees as well

[@petetriago4633]

@Christian Rivera Both your names do not sound Jewish. Were you born Jewish?

[@bloodbought1162]

I'm praying that you come to faith in Christ Mr. Shapiro! Thank you for having Christians on your show.

[@chad969]

Hi, could I ask you a bible question?

[@bloodbought1162]

Chad Ellis for sure, go ahead

[@chad969]

bloodbought 116 Thanks, so in Hebrews 7:27, 10:11-12&18, we're taught that Jesus is the final sin offering, and Romans 6:10 says that he died to sin once and for all. But in Ezekiel 45 (a prophecy which has yet to be fulfilled) we're told in verse 22 that the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. Is Jesus the prince? If so, why would he need to provide a sin offering on behalf of his sinless self? Also, why would any sin offering need to take place if Jesus' death on the cross was the final sin offering?

[@holylandfan3275]

@Chad Ellis The high priest was the only one that could enter the temple room of the Holy of Holies. He entered and pulled the veil behind him. This room was considered the closest to God in the temple and only the high priest could enter. He was to offer the bullock, without spot or blemish. Other people offered various other animals, depending, on basically, a position. Jesus, the Prince, The High Priest, offered Himself without spot or blemish. His own blood to God. That's the reason when Jesus died on cross, the veil was ripped in the temple. Jesus is now our only way to God, The Father, and the ultimate sacrifice To God.

[@chad969]

HolyLand Fan Hi thanks for the input. Is Ezekiel 45 talking about past events or future events?

[@yearight1205]

Wow The Daily Wire is hardcore stepping up it's game lately with who they are getting on, William Lane Craig is awesome! Keep it up Daily Wire!!!!

[@johnvirgilio5323]

I know. First, I was hit with Stephen C Meyers, then WLC. I know there's been others. I like Ben a lot, for this.

[@michaelfthomas8846]

I can't believe that one of Ben's strongest responses to the evidence being revealed/explained to him was that it "doesn't interest him" 😂😂😂that's hilarious

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

He is simply saying that talking around in circles when there is no resolution is an exhausting task he’s not interested in.

[@seththomas267]

The facts don’t care about his feelings.

[@paulv7554]

Shapiro definitely believes the Gospel writers were writing works of fiction. Hope Ben's eyes get opened soon.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@@FoodFreedomUSA Bringing up both biblical and non-biblical historical sources, as well as other relevant historical facts, as evidence for Jesus and the resurrection is not talking in circles.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

That’s what happens whenever someone starts an argument and has no rebuttal.

[@Apologia5]

Respect to Ben for letting Craig share his views and evidences for Jesus on his show even though he disagrees with them

[@royardianto]

That's a free speech and tolerance in action

[@modernvintagelifestyles]

@@krek.44 read Isaiah 53.

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

@@krek.44 Immaculate conception is a Catholic only claim. Virgin birth? If one already believes in an omnipotent God, why would that be irrational? Mystical powers, such as? Don't have to be a Christian to believe in Jesus' death. Resurrection? Where do I even start with the evidence...

[@modernvintagelifestyles]

@@krek.44 my mistake. I did assume you were Jewish.

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

@@krek.44 W.L. Craig is not Catholic. Duh. Also, it's obvious that you don't know what the Catholic belief of "immaculate conception" actually refers to. Hint: It doesn't refer to the conception of Jesus. I'll let you do the research. You originally stated that Ben, as a Jew, is doing a "disservice to the Jewish community by not challenging Christian claims such as..." Since Ben is the one doing the questioning, from his perspective, there's no real reason to question the virgin birth, since Ben believes in a God with the exact same powers as the Christian God. Lastly, Craig is making arguments for the existence of the God of the Bible (as well as Jesus, of course). If you conclude that his arguments here are correct and that the God of the Bible does indeed exist and that Jesus did indeed come to earth as both fully God and fully man, there's no need to prove virgin birth, how those "mystical powers" led to miracles, and how resurrection would've occurred from a biological perspective (Craig already gives historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus).

[@arttyree4504]

I salute Ben Shapiro for interviewing good spokespersons for Christianity, including Dr. Craig. Ben asks intelligent and relevant questions, making his program credible and enjoyable.

[@crispy9175]

I just wish that he didn't suddenly become 'un-interested in the topic' when all of his points were refuted. His heart is certainly hardened.

[@mattmiller237]

I've been wanting Rogan to have a respected Christian on and specifically thought about Craig. Hopefully, being on Shapiro might open that pathway up...

[@missapk]

I quit Rogan - I'm not nearly as impressed w him as he is of him. Ridicules free thinkers but loves Soros...muh.

[@FuckFascistYouTube]

Craig is respected? Yikes

[@randomuser6306]

@@FuckFascistKZbin Very much so. By all the leading atheists, which is why they debate him. Among random KZbin commenters, ymmv.

[@mattmiller237]

I've wanted Ben to have Dr Michael Brown on as well to give counter thoughts from a Jewish perspective....

[@lukebeaulieu3794]

I think Ravi would fair well with Rogan. I think it would be painful with Craig.

[@thelightsthatblink]

I love the glow in William Lane Craig’s face when he begins talking about the love of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ words still stagger me today as much as they did when I first read them. His words are so wise, convicting and loving. I’m still blown away by his great love for a sinner like me. I’m very thankful that Ben Shapiro would be so welcoming.

[@gunner23]

Woah Ben, thank you so much for having WLC on. He is largely responsible for my conversion to Christianity.

[@sfgox10]

Sad sheep.

[@epiceveryday7427]

thanks for sharing that. amazing. this was such a good conversation!

[@frankwhelan1715]

LOTS of words but no evidence,(from Craig)

[@Kaymen1980]

At least you know who to blame when the penny drops

[@richardwilliamjohnson8566]

@@sfgox10 yet here you are.

[@thebiblepiano1866]

Wow... thank you very much Ben for having William Lane Craig!!!

[@jeffrourke2322]

Jochuhyulo Jo Tsela what a crazy surprise right!?

[@nagaseminarian]

Cool- good things happening!

[@bensontan9301]

I know a person who is not a vegan who said people are not more valuable/superior, than other animals. An when I pointed out, he doesn’t even believe his own view for he eats meat and therefore he eats other animals, he said lions eat other animals but that doesn’t mean lions are more superior than the animals they eat animals to survive, but that doesn’t mean lions are more valuable/superior to the animals they eat. He then said humans are not more valuable superior than other animals even if we eat them, and said to me if you say humans are more valuable/superior than animals because we can do things or make things animals can’t do or make and because we are more intelligent than other animals and we are on top of the food chain and implement our will on them and control/rule them you’re speaking just like the Nazis and using the logic the Nazis use to say they were more superior to the Jews because, they said Germans are more intelligent than Jews, Germans can make things Jews can’t make, and do things Jews can’t do, and Germans are on top of the social order and they can implement their will on Jews and rule over and control Jews, you're not much different from the Nazis he told me, you know what I can say to defend myself against him, and people like him?

[@wawuglio]

Benson Tan Humans are superior to animals because we are not animals. We are a species that is capable of understanding morality. Animals understand survival. That is the basis of all their behaviors. Hitler was motivated by his misguided sense of aryan superiority. A lion doesn't think it's superior to an elephant. It merely thinks that if it could somehow take an elephant down it will have enough meat yo survive a while longer.

[@SH-kz4fl]

WLC might be one of the greatest debaters alive in terms of pure debate skill whether you agree with him or not.

[@JS-ok4dx]

Thank you for getting the best Christian philosopher in the world on the show!!!!

[@theoperumal5174]

Josh Smith nah man, that’s Jesus!

[@oksiek8256]

This has been such a refreshing listen. More talks on Jesus and the Bible is what is needed in this time that we are living. Thanks for doing this interview Ben Shapiro!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Why?

[@THABISOMAEKO]

Because we are living in the end times, everybody must return to their creator and repent to their sins.

[@DannyBoy777777]

​@@THABISOMAEKOLoon

[@cathygray3467]

Amen

[@deathchronicles6960]

Yes even satan knows who jesus is even calling him "son of God".

[@1928gerry]

What blessing it would be if Ben accepted Jesus Christ into his heart and came to know this personal God. His pride in his knowledge prevents it at this point, but we remember Saul/Paul and know God can intervene in anyone's life, and will.

[@leatherneck1061]

@Paula Wallace In future please remember your meds before commenting.

[@leatherneck1061]

@Paula Wallace Actually, you are delusional. The "Jesus is a composite of pagan myths" claim was debunked long ago. Today it is a tired myth perpetuated by the new atheists. That doesn't put you in very good company.

[@vvanderer]

@1928gerry That would never hapen, and would be a travesty and a tragedy. The covenant God made with the Jews is eternal. This is all over Deuteronomy. Ch 13 is very explicit. The life of Jesus has provided a view of the God of Abraham Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Sinai to billions. That does not mean his mission was to the Jews, nor does it mean that the mountains of christological thinking piled onto his life in the succeeding centuries is authentic. To draw a Jew away from the Covenant (God forbid) is to spit in God's eye. Jewish thinking is non exclusive. Normative Orthodox Judaism, and even more so the Conservative Reform etc movements, hold that anyone who cleaves to one God will find a place in the world to come. We all sin, repentance is open to all.

[@friedmotherboards2395]

Paula Wallace Lol you’re dumb, the Old Testament prophecies all predict Jesus will die for our sins and will rise again.

[@guy3fire]

Yes, but I just read in the O.T. Prophets that although Israel will largely come to belief in Jesus as the Messiah, it also says that some of Israel will still not believe. Sorry that I don't have the verse in front of me to site it. I highly recommend Dr Michael Brown on KZbin at AskDrBrown. He is an extremely knowledgable Messianic Jew and great shows.

[@peterpehlivan157]

I instantly clicked on this when I saw it. William Lane Craig is a fascinating person; I'm so grateful Ben got him on.

[@BRNRDNCK]

Austin Martín Hernandez Name a problem with one of his arguments. Your comment is meaningless.

[@Kaymen1980]

@@BRNRDNCK The ontological for starters

[@Kaymen1980]

@J w A -theist- thief thinks everyone steals..

[@BRNRDNCK]

J Ovesen Name which premise is incorrect.

[@Kaymen1980]

@@BRNRDNCK The fact that I am thinking of a being that can do everything Craig's being can do, but it can do it without existing.

[@3thingsfishing427]

Theological Sunday specials are my favorite because Ben does a good job of covering politics throughout the week.

[@PrimusxPilus]

THIS

[@Heartwing37]

Me too! It’s soul-satisfying.....

[@LetJesusTouchUrLife]

THIS WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!! Dr. Craig's testimony of salvation made my spirit rejoice and my eyes tear up. Oh how our God is good and mighty to save!!!!!!

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

Me too!! ❤

[@orangemango1492]

Time stamp?

[@LetJesusTouchUrLife]

@@orangemango1492I would start at 58:20! :)

[@nietzsche1991]

I am very excited to see WLC on this show. He is awesome.

[@drew2fast489]

He is, Jake!

[@rhandley1000]

Of the many amazing attributes of Dr. Craig, I am more impressed everyday with his demeanor - he is ALWAYS a gentleman

[@rhandley1000]

@Daulton Horton lol

[@michaelwill7811]

@Daulton Horton Agreed. There are several running in here serial insulting people, which of course, does very little to bring people over to their side. Deep seated anger tends to have that affect.

[@rhandley1000]

I read the article and I will admit I was a bit skeptical (no pun intended). I expected to read speculation and opinion, but the article does cite a scholarly research paper with proper citations and references. So, I was wrong.Interesting article and paper.....

[@rubennathaniel2107]

@Dd S i think this guy are one of em

[@davidbagley1783]

Like a salesman

[@LaurenFrancesHair]

36:05 -37:10 was so brilliant. Craig : “I doubt this man’s tomb was empty!” Haha Craig always has the best way of dominating. So gentle but so witty. Ben was completely unable to answer it and dismisses that and any of there arguments for the historical Jesus. That being said, I truly respect Ben for having Craig on who disagrees with him and is very competent in defending Christ. Ben is extremely uncomfortable discussing Christ because he is very satisfied with the common ground he has with Christians. I believe it would be so difficult for him to actually consider these arguments given his entire family life and culture he was raised in. I applaud him for having the conversation and hope one day he will consider the historical arguments for Jesus. Craig is certainly the best person to plant the seed. Great conversation.

[@onetwothree4148]

I laughed at that too. If the Indian guru's tomb was excavated today, and reported to be empty, would you and Craig now believe the thousands of people who claim to have seen him raised from the dead? Of course not. You'd immediately recognize that it is far more plausible that someone lied, and these people are all mistaken.

[@yidiandianpang]

@Jesrael K Mani And walked on water and stilled storms.

[@yidiandianpang]

Yes, tremendous respect to Ben. You can't expect him to be converted on air. He will go and think things over I am sure. But just for having a serious discussion with the best spokesmen for another point of view on the most important issues - first class programming, Ben.

[@RobbDepp]

If only Ben was wise enough to be opened minded to researching his own biases. Great job WLC

[@williamprice3486]

Jesrael K Mani Good points. Skeptics (like James) and enemies (like the Apostle Paul (also an intellectual heavyweight)) claimed to have seen Jesus after his death, and sincerely believed that he had been raised from the dead. Also, prophecies provide even more substantiation to Jesus being the Jewish Messiah. Daniel 9:24-27 states that an anointed one (the Hebrew word “mashiach” is used, which means Messiah) must come before the destruction of the 2nd temple. Jesus fulfilled that. If Jesus did not fulfill that then nobody can because the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD. Isaiah 53 clearly describes Jesus as the Messiah. There are many more, but I particularly like those two.

[@vanessashimoni6548]

This was an erudite, meaningful conversation. I’m an Orthodox Jew, this is the first time listening to Dr Craig and I found him interesting and knowledgeable. It’s good to listen to intelligent, articulate people even if we don’t agree with some of their views.

[@twajaj]

One thing I really appreciate with Ben's show he allows people to actually talk and express their views. As a follower of Christ Dr. Craig's personal testimony touched my soul!

[@wheredamoon]

It's great to hear all the philosophical workings from him, then hear his personal, deeply felt conversion story. Reminds me a lot of Ravi Zacharias, who apparently was his classmate in seminary? Ravi talked about his conversion all the time, but hadn't heard WLC's until this interview.

[@MB-vl2sz]

Lol, you can tell how happy Craig is to be talking to someone who actually understands him and knows the language of his philosophical work

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

👉👉👉#BenShapiro has the audacity to say: "I find this not interesting." 😒🙄😡 SERIOUSLY?!? Ben doesnt want to listen to anything that goes against his preconceived notions. #SHAMEFUL 👉"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, It is folly and shame unto him." (Proverbs 18:13) 💟🙏✝️

[@davidhenry1156]

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_stayBut he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.James 4:6 I pray that Ben would allow the gospel to regenerate his heart and be born again.He would be an excellent witness for the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@lampkin9287]

I agree Ben’s pride showed up in the subject about the proof for Christ being raised…those you are knowledgeable about the objects to the scriptures on these claims know that…they who disbelieve Jesus don’t understand their position!

[@gwynnfox9767]

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay You didnt listen carefully. You were the one with preconceived notions so the moment you heard that statement, you instantly took it out of context (it would take a whole essay for me to explain it, and i doubt youd read my whole essay, so it would be better if you just rewatch it again with an open mind *and I hope you do). Im an agnostic BTW but DR. Craig did defended Christian faith with reason and precision here, just as his books title claimed.

[@vincer7824]

Yeah, he got happy when Ben mentioned Tertullian.

[@romantisanon4647]

Dr. Craig is absolutely incredible. It’s awesome that Ben was able to host him.

[@johnvirgilio5323]

He is brilliant and will debate anyone of note.

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

Dd S explain

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

Dd S Dr Craig gave great reasons as to why he thinks god exists. If you have a problem with anything he said or would like to address them then say it instead of attacking him for his beliefs. He’s a great person and has a very likeable personality.

[@romantisanon4647]

@Dd S Craig doesn’t stick his fingers in his ears and ignore objections, he takes them head on and gives counter arguments _(especially_ when it comes to the Kalam argument). He talks to and debates with physicists all the time. He’s not ignorant when it comes to physics or cosmology. And of corse just because something is theoretically true doesn’t make it actually true. But accepting theories that are likely and plausible is rational. Far more rational than just shooting down a likely theory because it might not be absolutely certainly true in reality. Really take the time to actually listen to Craig. He never states he can _prove_ the existence of God with 100% certainty, but he believes that available evidence makes it more likely that the existence of a God is true as opposed to the nonexistence of one. He has already addressed every objection you’ve listed at one time or another. He’s not a “con man,” “sophist,” or lair. If you want a con man, look at Peter Popoff or Robert Tilton. Listen to Craig with an open, unbiased mind and I’m sure you’ll find that he makes a lot of sense.

[@romantisanon4647]

Dd S I’ve been listening to/reading Craig for years and I’ve _never_ heard the “well they just don’t want to bow to God” argument come from him. Either stop straw-manning or show me where he did this. He keeps giving the same arguments because no one is able to sufficiently beat them in debate. In every debate I’ve ever seen him in, his opponents misunderstand or misrepresent Craig’s argument. His opponents often have a lot of bravado and change subjects frequently during his debates. This can make it _look_ like Craig is losing, but when you weigh both sides equally, Craig usually comes out on top. Craig doesn’t say his arguments work because he says they work. They work based off their own merit. If you look at Craig’s arguments on their own and actually understand them, they become hard to object too. I’m sure you’ll disagree with this, but I don’t really want to talk you through every argument ranging from Kalam to the Moral, so I’d recommend taking a philosophy class, listening to his more in-depth lectures, or doing some self reflection.

[@tanyaandtheark]

I'm a Christian, have been watching Ben and the Daily Wire crew for years now. I'm grateful that they not only have guests like Mr Craig on but they engage in respectful and insightful conversations with them.

[@FollowingChrist44]

Very nice interview. Praise God. Respect to Mr. Ben Shapiro for interviewing people he disagrees with i.e. Christians.

[@supmuhhumbruh]

As a former atheist, I pretty much fell for all the common New Atheist slogans about religion. “There’s no evidence for the supernatural”, or “science has refuted God”, or whatever other stuff you read about in books like The God Delusion. There was a time when I was a major proponent of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and all them. But after encountering the rich, intellectual tradition within the Christian faith - People like Bill Craig and Ed Feser, both of whom Ben have had on - all these New Atheists began to look intellectually paltry in comparison; not to mention, they were all very angry. They’re arguments didn’t hold up, and they began to appear more like children in a temper than sincere seekers of truth. I’ve mentioned this in a previous comment, but I’ll say it again. The real debate is not between religion and atheism. The real debate is between religion 1 and religion 2, etc; between Judaism and Christianity and Islam, and so on; specifically, not over whether religion is true, but *which* religion is true. KZbin conversations like these are only the beginning. If anybody here hasn’t read the published work of Dr. Craig - especially the Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology - I highly recommend doing so. Dr. Craig is scholarly, honest, and convincing. It might surprise him to hear that his work in large part lead me to the Catholic Faith, since he is not himself a Catholic. But still, I hold Dr. Craig in high regard as a philosopher and theologian, and value his contributions to the study of religion enormously. He changed my life.

[@doctorbatman8520]

Pat Flynn What specifically changed your mind?

[@Palau_Legend]

Doctor Batman probably because atheism is inferior to religion.

[@petergroehler1577]

Pat Flynn, why is it between religion 1 and religion 2 versus religion and non-religion? Have we really refuted the "nothing" in that all-or-nothing argument?

[@doctorbatman8520]

Jacques Souvenir I’m asking for something more than a vague deepity. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.

[@supmuhhumbruh]

@@doctorbatman8520 Hi Batman, It wasn't any one particular argument, but a cumulative study overtime. I didn't become a Christian right away. I had to work my way there. I first became interested in natural theology, thinking that might help answer some of my questions, so books like the Blackwell Companion, which I mentioned, but then going back through all the classic theistic philosophers like Aquinas, Leibniz, Clarke, etc, and contemporaries like Lonergan, Feser, Stump, Adler, Craig, Spitzer, Pruss and so on. I'll also give a nod to C.S. Lewis. Though his work is more popular and accessible, he presents his arguments clearly, and so he opened me up to wanting to go deeper on the subject, even if he didn't immediately secure my conviction.

[@dogmatil7608]

WLC made me question all my believes as well. I was raised protestant, but only in name. We never really discussed anything of importance, so when I grew up I drifted away from the church believing that I didn't need it. But I always continued to believe in God. Now I am actually doing my research and as a med-student, science is very important to me, so someone like WLC who included science in his explanations speaks right to me.

[@vanessa-8375]

I think you might also like Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox.

[@appalachiahiker853]

Dogmatil Thanks for sharing. I was an atheist for 10 years until i found WLC

[@williamprice3486]

If you value scientific explanations you should check out Hugh Ross. WLC and Hugh Ross have been intellectual giants to me. Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox are good too.

[@appalachiahiker853]

William Price sermons on Daniel by Lennox 😍😍😍

[@glennjohn3919]

So have you trusted Christ as your savior then?

[@rachelchristudoss4600]

Love the way Craig shares the gospel and his own testimony; calm, confident, friendly. Admire the mutual respect they show each other even when they don't agree on certain things. Prayers for Ben's salvation :)

[@deathchronicles6960]

Craig knows well he may not sucess deliver the spirit of jesus the only way to eternity but he knows there are audience who are willing to open heart to listen and see the truth

[@Bastion0711]

I gasped, I gasped when I saw William Lane Craig name alongside Ben. I can die now. Bye bye

[@Manuel-dn8hn]

See you then!

[@morningcoffeeOW]

Please.

[@aharonaryeh4049]

I was really not expecting this. So glad he got him on.

[@djangozaqwwqewegf6196]

Good.

[@vheilshorn]

Christopher Hitchens is dead.

[@KD-rd1im]

WLC is the legend of legends!!! So happy that he is getting this exposure to another audience!

[@EricRivera-hy8qd]

Yeah , it's awsome hearing WLC again

[@Akihito007]

No WLC is a heretical anti-trinitarian molinist who argues that God cant even dictate the future. Hes a heretic.

[@JohnDoe-td7mu]

@@Akihito007 outside of monolism, WLC doesn't believe a single thing you just said

[@appalachiahiker853]

Akihito007 dude...check your 3 o’clock

[@sdave33]

He’s laughable. His theology is based on Satan as it’s based on those derived from Luther, who was a cruel, sick, power hungry murderous drunk.

[@henroda1]

Nearly crapped myself when I saw the notification

[@jaydee4777]

Yep. Me too

[@tan1591]

Can anyone explain who he is? Why everyone is exited about it?

[@henroda1]

@@tan1591 he is a well known theologian/philosopher. Up there with ravi zacharias and the like

[@tan1591]

TheScream oh cool.

[@adamduarte895]

@@henroda1 Bruh he's the top Christian Philosopher even greater than Ravi.

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

My favorite part of Craig's argument, the mic drop moment, for me is 37:03 when he says: "I doubt this man's tomb is empty." (responding to argument that another Messianic figure has followers who claim he's still alive) 😁 BOOM! (Craig's smile is his confidence.) The best argument for Jesus's divinity is his resurrection from the dead because it proved he was Who he said he was! It's not just that He claimed to be Messiah, but that He ALSO claimed to be Son of Man prophesied by Daniel, and God vindicated him by His resurrection! The empty tomb is the validation. That POWER is in no other name but Jesus of Nazareth

[@peterdsharris]

The Old Testament speaks of Jesus all the time...

[@notjohnedgell]

True the first mention of him is in Genesis!

[@xxxmmm3812]

Hes literally in every line of the Old Testament but the blind cant see

[@jcm2789]

He is the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, and he is also the burning bush in the old Testament.

[@SigmundQFreud]

@@notjohnedgell I spy a witness ;) 👍

[@INFINITEMODIFICATIONS]

@@jcm2789 lol you're delusional.

[@thedoshus5159]

Those watching for study purposes: 08:07 = Cosmological argument 09:15 = Moral argument 10:20 = Rebuttal and response (Cosmological argument) 11:55 = Rebuttal and response (Moral argument) 13:35 = WLC Steelmanning (playing the atheist to) the arguments he made 15:46 = Response to Bertrand Russel's Cosmological argument from 'Unintelligible brute fact' 17:24 = Response to David Hume's Epicurean Hypothesis 19:18 = Ontological argument 21:13 = 'Guanillo's Island' response to the Ontological argument 22:23 = Justifying the existence of a personal God * 23:10 = * a God who is present in the universe 'now' 25:50 = Justifying a Christian God 26:48 = Who Jesus thought he was (moving into Theology) 28:47 = Examining how Jesus is (or was) different from any other messianic figures 31:50 = Examining whether the resurrection of Jesus is proof of divinity 32:44 = Historical argument against the validity of the Bible rebuttal 39:16 = The importance of a personal God for Christianity 40:35 = WLC's best debate he has had (in his opinion) 42:33 = Whether or not WLC has questioned his own beliefs in debates 44:09 = Discussion about the problem of evil in religion (back to philosophy) 46:00 = The controversies of the Bible in modern society and Jesus' views on these in the Bible 53:48 = Utilising the moral argument in debate 55:34 = Psychology VS Religion in objective moral values

[@ethantroy311]

TJ Wright thanks this was helpful

[@RocketmanUT]

Do people actually “study” here?

[@thedoshus5159]

@@RocketmanUT If you study theology then yeah

[@jontzdezy1475]

Great

[@Itskahuna]

You're absolutely great for this

[@PatrickInCayman]

Major Kudos to Ben as well for "going in there". Many people simply just avoid the conversation.

[@SigmundQFreud]

Ben is wise to understand another persons position on a subject. It also shows respect to want to understand another persons perspective and reasons for it.

[@davidbagley1783]

Everyone knows who God is..not everyone goes to God for salvation

[@willrosch3627]

Love Dr. Craig and Ben, truly love that Dr. Craig doesn’t shy away from the evidence for Christ to Ben. I pray that Ben one day accepts Jesus as the Christ.

[@mitchellg1412]

As a Christian I think these two are great were there at . I'ma look into the Jewish bible myself.

[@katec6095]

Same

[@chicomalo3654]

SSPX

[@nathanielmaples4980]

This is good stuff! Please have Ravi Zacharias on.

[@MojoPin1983]

And N.T. Wright.

[@ernestalphonse1217]

Ravi is a liar

[@Jacob-rd2qx]

@@ernestalphonse1217 What did he lie about? I'm not defending him, don't really know him, just curious

[@hardcore907]

HELL. YES.

[@chriscrutchley2169]

Nathaniel Maples yes!

[@VK-fy9wk]

THE TWO MEN WHO HAVE CHANGED MY MIND AND HEART MORE THAN ANY OTHER TWO MEN ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION. THANK YOU JESUS :D

[@rudymurillo9334]

Martin Stu even if your theory is true, which is not, then you too are worshipping your own ego. Which in turn led you to write the comment to begin with. Now, usually, a believer truly believes for a good reason. There’s some type of evidence; metaphysical, philosophical or a combination of these partnered with science. Then when a believer comes to belief they begin to search or seek out the creator and Christians specifically usually have to die to themselves, kill their ego, and submit to an understanding that isn’t their own. Now contrast that with you. You don’t believe, not because of evidence or even a lack of evidence. You simply don’t believe because you think you know better. You elevate your understanding over others’ and reduce their belief as a fantasy. Your ego is your god, one day your ego will perish and so will you. It will literally be non existent therefore closer to a fantasy than any religion could be. Meanwhile the Judeo Christian God maintains throughout the ages.

[@ąყŋ-o8q]

Rudy well put.

[@sally9352]

@@rudymurillo9334 brilliant response

[@jred6046]

Alexander Vering lol

[@MrBBOTP]

STUPID!

[@TheGuy030770]

1:00:07 Great job Sandy! You speaking about Jesus Christ to W.L.C. has changed the entire world! Imagine that!

[@pumpingpriest5893]

The thought is incredible isn't it:)

[@TheGuy030770]

@@pumpingpriest5893 God is Great!

[@science_forthewin8545]

I have never heard of Dr Craig. But listening to this conversation, he seems like such a wholesome person. Loved listening to him. Praying the Father uses him mightily.

[@deathchronicles6960]

He said it as it is... And we can feel him from where he is coming

[@oitpyc2965]

Oh he's such a brilliant and warm person. He puts out some incredible work all for public benefit.

[@Hugo_jordao_oficial]

What a time to be alive So much love for these guys Truly happy with the fact that most of the discussion centred on the person of Christ. William Lane Craig was just superb. May God bless you

[@christianzelaya6361]

"I don't wanna leave a legacy. I don't care if they remember me; only Jesus" Casting Crowns.

[@xavier.abraham]

What an interview ! I almost cried when Prof. Craig spoke about Jesus and the evidence.

[@FaithLifeConservative]

💯✝️🌹

[@WesleyClark-j4f]

You literally can the holy spirit f4om him love this guy i love ben as well

[@bestservedchill1489]

Never thought I'd see the day. So glad Shapiro finally got Craig on here. Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox next pleeease!

[@JoshuaStranger]

Yes!!! Ravi!!!!!

[@kindcolours]

Couldnt wait for that episode!!!

[@3YearsApart1613]

would love to see both Zacharias and Lennox

[@dco8886]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[@SigmundQFreud]

Lennox voice is like a lullaby for a grown man. Love him.

[@neilsocarras6244]

Love it! Finally someone speaking, the actual gospel and putting out the truth. There’s only one way and one solution to our worlds problems, and that is through Jesus!

[@deathchronicles6960]

Yeah your right plain and simple to accept that jesus only the way to GOD for eternity..

[@accentedreality]

I love seeing William Lane Craig so delighted by Ben's clear knowledge of these topics. This could be 6 hours long and I'd still listen to every minute of it!

[@CaryHawkins]

Shapiro doesn't get owned often, but Craig is Craig.

[@mcmanustony]

you missed him being reduced to a sniveling babbling mess in his encounter with British Conservative journalist Andrew Neil. It was hysterical!

[@Jus4kiks]

mcmanustony “conservative”

[@mcmanustony]

@ I'm sure Shapiro needs no help from me in understanding that he made a petulant fool of himself and is unable to withstand scrutiny of his hateful bigoted remarks. Was I supposed to ask your permission to comment?

[@jandestiny626]

@ aaaaand your assumptions are proven correct LOL!

[@kargs5krun]

@@mcmanustony if that's the most recent video (months) seen lately on ytube, i would argue every one has their "trigger points" &/or "bad days" and that Ben sloppily didn't prepare well for the encounter (sideswipe actually). Not an excuse mind you, but an explanation of that day's reality. Ben is human, and does have "feelings" and if anything (u should appreciate this pt) proved at his own expense, that "feelings" muck up many a soul who traverses this earth, including professors, presidents, etc - etc.

[@tevochristmann5372]

WLC looks absolutely delighted at Ben's questions

[@calebmarquart]

Hearing Craig’s testimony filled me with so much joy. When he knew it was true, it became his mission to share this with as many people as he could. Amazing!

[@profetik777]

WLC helped me return to my faith. I was almost atheist until I heard the debate w Christopher Hitchens

[@SteveCherches]

profetik777 Damn! You were so close!!! :)

[@Kaymen1980]

Sad for you man. .. Go hear Sean Carroll mop the floor with him.. There is always hope

[@SteveCherches]

J Ovesen I had never heard of John Carroll before. Good stuff. 👍🏼

[@Kaymen1980]

@@SteveCherches *Sean* Carroll, yeh he is an awesome science communicator. I can recommend his lectures if you are interested in that sort of stuff 👍

[@SteveCherches]

J Ovesen I watched one of his videos. I’ll definitely watch more. I like that he makes science accessible and relevant to the discussion. Craig’s arguments have weak legs.

[@MRAGFT7]

It's so gorgeous to see how Dr. William Lane Craig changes when he speaks about his testimony in comparison to when he deals with philosophical matters and questions. I teared up by listening to his testimony and the passion he talked with. May God bless you, Bill! And your ministry! And may Ben come to Christ too sooner than later!

[@megclif]

Why does everyone need to be converted to your religion. It's this arrogance that puts people off religion as a whole.

[@bevie29]

God's never late, He's always right on time.

[@weewillywanka5904]

Because it's a matter of life and death, spiritually speaking. Those who have made the choice for life are genuinely concerned about those who haven't. Make your choice and then live with the consequences.

[@MRAGFT7]

@@megclif As C.S. Lewis (former atheist) said: Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.

[@MeanOldLady]

@@megclif - No, it's your arrogance that tries to squash the joy in other people. You should ask yourself why your materialistic pursuits are making you so miserable.

[@55k3v1n]

Not ONE church would exist today if Jesus remained dead.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

55k3v1n True

[@Roger_Ramjet]

He's alive?

[@CJDavis-js7mr]

Big Irish Yeti absolutely

[@treasurecave431]

As paul said, "if Christ didnt rise from the dead, then our faith is in vain".

[@codyehmke1218]

True but that’s irrelevant

[@temsumongbajamir1582]

William Lane Craig is a brilliant man, someone to be really admired

[@lolproductions9391]

I love philosophers like William Lane Craig because people like him prove that faith is rational!

[@FinallyAFreeUsername]

You like him because he tells you what you wanted to hear? Nice of you to admit it.

[@lolproductions9391]

FinallyAFreeUsername well yes, I like him because he says what I want to hear, but what I want to hear is the truth, and Mr. Craig speaks the truth

[@FinallyAFreeUsername]

@@lolproductions9391 How would you know the truth when you saw it? If it wasn't what you wanted it to be, you'd just dismiss it (and probably disparage and attack those presenting it). You're just as bigoted as the worst atheists.

[@Nathan-tg4gu]

@@FinallyAFreeUsername Confirmation bias is not bigotry.

[@Nathan-tg4gu]

@@FinallyAFreeUsername It's not weird to like people who appear to verify that which you want to believe. People like discovering what they want to believe. It's irrational to filter facts based on such a bias, but not to take pleasure in finding them out.

[@blingx2sys]

In the name of an interview for an online show hosted by a devout Jewish man, an opportunity was made for Ben and all non-believers to hear the true gospel. Thank you WLC for speaking with grace and conviction, thank you Ben for inviting him and having a sincere ear, and thank you YHWH our God for making all possible.

[@whaddoyoumeme]

Finally! Been waiting for this!

[@240guy9]

Whaddo You Meme?? Ben’s waiting for this too. Did you see what I did there?

[@williamprice3486]

Whaddo You Meme?? Me too! Great interview. Praying for Ben’s salvation!

[@mikeriley6845]

That will be whaddo you meme in two years.

[@ThatReadingGuy28]

How’s the documentaries going??

[@Tommy-wq4ow]

Ayyyy

[@michaelmiller-hr6vz]

I can only imagine what it must be like to have such a fantastic memory, a capacity for understanding wisdom, and a tremendous grasp of language. The fact that this guy is a Christian is stupendous!

[@JoshAlicea1229]

Wow! WLC... great pick Ben

[@corbenvanloosbroek4811]

Josh Alicea why is this guy in your opinion a great pick? Seems like a delusional idiot to me

[@MeanOldLady]

@@corbenvanloosbroek4811 - You just described yourself given your username. You don't want truth, you want pleasure & ease. You will sacrifice the former for the latter for most of your life & constantly complain about your own self-inflicted misery until you die or get tired of it all, hit rock bottom & turn your life around. It's all your own choice. Better wise up now before it's too late & you hit the point of nihilistic self-destruction.

[@corbenvanloosbroek4811]

Mean Old Lady I’m all about the truth lady. What do you have against psychedelics?

[@corbenvanloosbroek4811]

Mean Old Lady religion is all bullshit. If you want to debate me go ahead but I don’t really have time for this thank you for the advice as irrelevant as it may seem

[@vincentpieterse1694]

Thanks for inviting WLC Ben.... Great to see a civil conversation between two giants from different spectrums

[@theoperumal5174]

Vincent Pieterse it was so beautiful, this entire video made me incredibly happy

[@tortoises100]

Oh theyre on the spectrum alright :P

[@indianajones9740]

By far the best Sunday special yet! Have him back for round two and get more into the historical argument and talk about Paul! Great job you guys!

[@ebowden1168]

that's not even an argument with how widely accepted Paul's writings are among even atheist historians.

[@sosbwc]

I love that with all the big words, thoughts, and questions that Dr. Craig's testimony was at it highest level of childlike understanding and joy. It made me cry because when God places His joy inside our hearts we all as His children experience that same feeling it is like a birth, a rebirth, a being born again by the power of the Holy Spirit! Hallelujah!!!❤

[@loganbothwell543]

Unless you receive God, as a little child, you will never find his greatness!

[@chicomalo3654]

SSPX

[@WORTHYOFITALL]

I love how he shared his testimony! Definitely the most powerful part of the interview

[@sEEKllsevN]

Bring Ravi Zacharias on the show, please!

[@Heartwing37]

Victarion Belaerys YES! Ravi is my favorite apologist! I would LOVE for Ben to have Ravi on!

[@letsprayandfasttogether9618]

Was just about to say this

[@christopherthake8701]

@@Heartwing37 He certainly is a good one :) I Listen to the RZIM podcast almost everyday

[@JDRusse11]

I wish Nabeel Qureshi was still alive. He has an amazing testimony and would of been a fascinating interview.

[@thetheatreguy9853]

Dear Yahweh this aged poorly

[@Apol-los]

"I was overwhelmed that the God of the Universe could love me!"Sobering to hear Ben's acceptance of the religious tradition he was raised in to then hear WLC share a similar mindset of his specific religious tradition be captivated by a woman who EMBODIED her religious tradition. "Because He loves you!" brought a tear to my eye because some of the most simplistic statements can pierce the heart when they are based on Truth.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Israel is being set up for a betrayal. The goal is for a temple in Jerusalem and become the world capital (the west must be destroyed first); it is a matter of Israeli nation security and reports show military engaging online with false channels, accounts, blogs, bots and shills, no doubt pushing untenable, unbiblical disinfo like Preterism, preteib rapture, Dispensationalism, etc while other groups push legalism as warm up for when the false prophet posing as Elijah renews the old Sinai covenant marriage [which in the Torah came with the name/mark of the Lord sealed in the head and hand of the congregation as symbolized by the tefillin worn over these areas marked with the name Shaddai], he will also renew the Mosaic laws, sacrifices (buying and selling in the sanctuary with the money-changer and merchants) the temple, etc, as anticipated by the rabbis. See the blog link atop my channel for deep studies too lengthy to post here. See Jerusalem Post article from 2017 titled, “Israel and the unexpected New World Order” for a partial revealing of the global plan.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Recent FOIA revelations showed Israel’s ministry of strategic affairs illegally funding so-called Christian groups in US pushing hasbara beneficial to Israel’s plans (probably with the 10s of billions of US tax dollars and billions from Christian donations). They have highly sophisticated mass spy/monitoring tools and are masters of deception, cointel, psyops, etc and cooperation of most big companies and govts. Preterism (ie, Revelation is already fulfilled, go back to sleep!) is used to neutralize opposition to the plans, same with false teachings of pretrib rapture, dispensationalism, and law/sabbath keeping which is warming up people for a return to the old Mosaic laws and covenant in defiance of the new and better covenant (which is THE major stumbling block and must also be corrupted and/or removed). My original post (in another place) was ghosted so I had to edit it several times. While doing that I suddenly received an email with the header: "Erik, protect your online life from prying eyes" Yeah that's not creepy and just a coincidence for sure. So I doubled-down :) Grace, Love and Strength in Yeshua Jesus

[@AISciFiStories]

I had the privilege to discuss the gospel with Dennis Prager last summer. He refused to accept atonement being mentioned in Leviticus, and he was very proud that he and Shapiro lead so many to Jesus. Even though they don’t believe in him as the messiah. Dennis, love the guy, this interview reminds me of Dennis’ face when we spoke biblical truth that directly challenged his worldview. And like Ben. Dennis was silent. And didn’t have a proper retort. It’s amazing how proud the Jewish people are. I mean it’s historically evident how proud they are. And it’s their biggest stumbling block.

[@bryant475]

This may have been the seed planted that Ben needed to see the truth, I will continue to pray for him. God bless you Ben! WLC was an amazing guest!

[@christopherianlister5212]

age of universe 13.7 billion years not 6,019 as willies book claims that's how we know he is a con man, obviously

[@kevincaan2862]

@@christopherianlister5212 'Willy' believes the universe is 13.7 billions years old as well...as does Ben... Always remember, the Bible was not written to you, it was written for you...but not to you. Therefore you need to understand how the people to whom it was written understood it. The bible does not say that the world is 6,000 years old.

[@cooking9764]

I keep praying for him and Jordan Peterson that they will come to know and accept Jesus Christ in their heart!

[@goofyskittles]

@@christopherianlister5212 I’m starting to really question the theory of evolution as well as an old universe.

[@Romans--pe4yh]

@@goofyskittles There's good reason to question it. There is no repeatable and observable evidence to evolution. Even fossils of "early humans" leave little to no evidence of macroevolution. Most of them end up being a monkey or humans with birth defects or autoimmune diseases. Old universe is up in the air because even if there was evidence of an old universe, it doesn't contradict the bible. An old earth on the other hand would and I don't think there is much evidence for an old earth.

[@izyp1789]

Finally I was hoping Shapiro would speak to someone like William l. Craig. So satisfying to listen to.

[@nagaseminarian]

Love it - Ben asks WLC to take the role of an atheist-😆😆😆. Interesting interaction- Ben does talk fast- WLC looks extremely excited when Ben asks the right questions-- ❤️ it.

[@John-FourteenSix]

One of the best interviews and cases for the Gospel of Jesus I’ve ever seen on KZbin. God Bless you.

[@jordanxxx]

I never clicked something so fast in my life.

[@mnkyfly]

Ditto

[@chadjcrase]

absolutely, these are great discussions to find

[@thermal1580]

Thats what she said.

[@ihavetubes]

that's pretty fast

[@johnvirgilio5323]

Extraordinary openness for similar beliefs. Maybe he can have Joel Richardson on to show off his new pictures from the base of the burnt peak of Mt. Sinai. He has shots of boulder paintings of archers shooting at nothing in particular. God called for protecting the mountain from the people themselves. But wait until you see the monolithic rock which is split and shows clear water erosion up and down the hill!

[@enochlion922]

My head just blew off my shoulders!!

[@slytheguy6761]

Enoch Lion 🤯

[@theinvisiblemusic]

I would looooove to see you do one with John Lennox. Ben I'm sure you have heard of him, if not dig into him.

[@joefrescoln]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!

[@misterRDF]

Agreed!

[@ceaser8999]

Eh. No need for that. Is he gonna asked him the same question plus how to write a proof?

[@misterRDF]

@@ceaser8999 I disagree - sure some of the questions would be similar, but WLC and Lennox's disciples are polar opposites which would make for interesting and varied questions/discussions/answers. Aside from that, it would bring more people into the light of Lennox giving him more exposure so they could see and learn about a very interesting man.

[@ceaser8999]

misterRDF well I disagree with you lol. I’d rather see Ravi Zachariahs first. I’d think it would be more interesting because of the way he grew up (culturally) and the fact he was an atheist until 17 and other things But I like Lennox too

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

As I listened to Dr.Craig's testimony, I cried tears of joy and gratitude. Every Christian testimony is as unique as the person, but they all have that same power- every believer knows! When he described the balloon of joy, I recalled my own experience which I have described as God "squeezing my heart." It was both gentle and powerful. The love is overwhelming and indescribable. I have followed William Lane Craig since I was a student at Biola 20+ years ago, and enjoyed his debates. I love how he makes intelligent arguments and displays how Christianity doesn't require you check your brain at the door; rather, we can present solid historical, philosophical, and moral arguments with skeptics. But I love how he "brings it home" with his personal story. That is the closing argument. This is a brilliant example of how to evangelize respectfully. I love how Dr. Craig was respectful of Ben and his perspective as an orthodox Jew. I love both these men and pray they continue to lead people to the Truth.

[@TheInroad]

29:00 Ben debating Christian apologetics with WLC. Oh boy Ben, know your limits.

[@maafa21MustSee]

Limits are college swjs

[@TheTeos333]

Yeah, indeed. By the way, he's not far from the truth.

[@Luka1117]

He might've had better luck pressing Bill on Paul of Tarsus' grand deception.

[@zachdavenport8509]

@@Luka1117 what deception was that?

[@Luka1117]

Check out questioning paul dot com.

[@drumrgal4christ987]

Very good debate. seeds are being planted in Ben for him to believe in the Messiah Jesus.

[@mcjsrn]

Amen.

[@SigmundQFreud]

It wasnt really a debate, more like a Q&A.

[@drumrgal4christ987]

Sigmund Q. Freud yes. U right. My bad

[@Joey-ok9eh]

He's closed minded when it comes to Jesus

[@Soaptoaster]

Great way to close out....WLC sharing the gospel with Ben. He's now heard directly from John MacArthur AND WLC. Jesus is trying to get Shapiro's attention:)

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

Need Ravi Zacharias next

[@nunyabizznas9051]

Jesus is not the son of god

[@stacyw3250]

pray

[@Soaptoaster]

@Paula Wallace who's the man-made idol? Surely you don't mean Christ? Read Isaiah 53 and you'll see the OT prophesied His coming. In fact, Christ is found ALL through the Old Testament.

[@Soaptoaster]

@@nunyabizznas9051 yes, He is. Investigate His claims, you'll see.

[@Tim_ArtistName_Tallent]

In response to Ben at 29:00 (I was reading John after hearing this interview and this passage immediately reminded me of what Ben said about claiming the Messiah was not punishable by death, yet these folks were ready to stone Jesus) I’m not drawing any conclusion or correcting just sharing the connection I made John 10:30-33 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

[@jonathancummins4851]

Craig is certainly one of the brightest minds of our time. Praise the Lord for letting His light shine through this man.

[@downofdead12]

William Lane Craig is one the best philosophers we Christians have!

[@doctorbatman8520]

Yeah, that’s not a good thing.

[@downofdead12]

@@doctorbatman8520 Why? Atheist just have cringelords like Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens.

[@hamzamahmood9565]

@@downofdead12 cringelords

[@doctorbatman8520]

DawnofLife ??? No matter how cringey you think they are, they can at least construct valid and sound arguments.

[@mattyoung1182]

Look up the William lane Craig vs Sean Carroll debate and get back to me. William lane Craig is a charlatan conman

[@mytuber81]

That’s my boy WLC! Glad he is getting the exposure he and his work rightfully deserve, it’s about time.

[@Derek-rv3ee]

Big fan as well, but he has had a ton of exposure over the years, he's possibly the biggest name in religious debate, atheists do not do well against him, as Sam Harris said "WLC puts the fear of God in atheists" He's been in national TV, debated huge names, written numerous books etc. But someone like him can never have too much exposure! Especially with what an audience Ben has.

[@mytuber81]

Derek He is very popular in religious debate and does have a tremendous amount of work out there, but in my opinion as far as mainstream he doesn’t get the exposure he deserves precisely because of his beliefs and the arena he inhabits. The secular community doesn’t want to hear it. Bens platform is more mainstream per’se even though he is religious because he is in the political arena and is known for his short clips of “destroying” people. I’ve been following Dr. Craig since his dark beard 🧔🏻 days and I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen him on national tv. I agree, someone of Dr. Craig’s caliber can never have too much exposure.

[@WCGOLD27NZ]

Thank you Ben for introducing me to Bill Craig. What an amazing human. And I enjoyed Ben’s hosting and interview skills on display in this interview. Great stuff

[@patticarey9016]

Best interview.....EVER!!!! William Lane Craig is top drawer!

[@Dontanovizt]

In a very tiny shelve...

[@Dontanovizt]

@@SilenceDogwood. thanks you, miss.

[@Dontanovizt]

@@SilenceDogwood. Sorry if my bad gramma and pronouns, are triggering you christian conservatives. Love love love love.

[@Dontanovizt]

@@SilenceDogwood. well, if you like the WLC it is not really assuming now is it? I never saw much value in wokeness, and it is of course not something one can read up on. As it have turned into an empty conservative talking point, now meaning: "all the bad things the left does."

[@megalopolis2015]

Fabulous conversation. I don't believe I had heard Craig's personal conversion story yet. That was amazing. God gave him his purpose right away, and he has stayed faithful in living it out, despite his health issues which he rarely brings up. He is so filled with knowledge and joy of the Spirit. I so appreciate him being a guest here, in every sense of the word, and for this respectful and deeply meaningful dialogue between these two intellectual powerhouses. Many blessings.

[@lucygoosie7726]

megalopolis2015 I hope to hear Ben’s conversion story some day. That would be a powerful testimony!

[@Roger_Ramjet]

Yaaaaay!

[@bryanmcguire3747]

Ben points out that the gospels were written a few decades after the events. He's avoiding the centuries that passed from Adam to Noah to Abraham to Moses. Yet he doesn't dispute their validity.

[@HenryL65]

I would also contend that Ben's comment that the earliest gospel was likely written around 70 AD (the destruction of the Jerusalem temple) is no longer regarded as accurate by many New Testament scholars (Bart Ehrman, notwithstanding). All of the gospels includes descriptive language of the temple, and not one mentions the destruction by the Romans, which one would think a significant event in Judeo-Christian antiquity and worth recording.

[@davelikesbacon]

Bingo

[@MansterBear]

And the fact that the gospels were written closer to the dates of the events, thousands of more copies of those writings, and with a higher accuracy, than virtually any other writings we have from antiquity. If they were written "too long after" the events, then we need to throw out basically everything we know from ancient history because none of it is as well attested as the gospels.

[@johnvirgilio5323]

To think we have this great historical figure and no one wrote about him within a few years, is actually harder to believe.

[@MansterBear]

@@johnvirgilio5323 It's hard to believe that the writings about greatest figure in history are closer to his lifetime, greater in number, and greater in accuracy than the writings about anyone else in ancient history?

[@mr.fordnite1909]

Everybody (for good reason) is astounded by the great man Dr. Craig is and how great the work he has done is. But let’s not forget Sandy. Without the extraordinarily simple message Sandy have to young Bill Craig, the hundreds of thousands this man has reached could still be lost.

[@obiwankenobi6871]

Found a friendly comment section for once :)

[@jakestevens7283]

Yeah really, did I slip into a parallel universe or something lol

[@SunnyLovetts]

Jesus has the high ground

[@A-Constant-Lull]

He's been a hero of mine for years. It says so much about Ben to have a Christian theologian on his show. Bravo Ben

[@alexjoneschannel]

Craig isn't pro choice idk how you can support him

[@kingofthemultiverse4148]

@@alexjoneschannel Well! it is BECAUSE he isn't pro-choice that this person is supporting him genius, it's obvious that this person is a Christian or why would he consider a Christian apologist his hero? so naturally he's going to support WLC.

[@alexjoneschannel]

@@kingofthemultiverse4148 bro I made a joke calm down

[@kingofthemultiverse4148]

@@alexjoneschannel OK!

[@camilomontoya7412]

Much respect for Ben and Dr. Craig for engaging in whether Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. Two intelligent well educated thinkers clashing with respect for each other regarding core religious beliefs/metaphysical views with no worry that they will offend the other. This is what we need more of.

[@MercedesWoodiel]

Thank youuu for having this conversation Ben!! To have two people having an intelligent conversation with mutual respect (even in disagreement) is an example that this country needs!!! God bless you!!