Lennox vs Atkins - Can science explain everything? (Official debate video)

Christian Prof John Lennox and atheist Prof Peter Atkins debated science, faith and God in front of students at Southampton University on 31 Jan 2019.
Justin Brierley of the Unbelievable? show hosts the conversation and asks questions sent in by text.
This is the official high-quality version of the event, hosted by Southampton University Christian Union.
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[@annchovey2089]

Christian or not - I'd rather have Lennox for a neighbor than Atkins.

[@Larrys-88Keys]

Agreed! Lennox is extremely patient and has character. Adkins wreaks of bitterness and loneliness. I actually pity him.

[@rotorblade9508]

I like how Atkins thinks. it’s not “rather”, I would be honored to have him as a neighbor, or someone like him 😝

[@annchovey2089]

@William Gruff Your last name is very fitting.

[@muddypool7537]

I wonder if by "evidence" Atkins means tangible proof? There are things that are not tangible like the number 1 or 2 and so on. They exist only as constructs perceived within the mind yet are objectively real; immutable and imperishable. I suspect they were there even before the universe came into being. Every number has a basic property and a method. These are the attributes. Then how difficult is it to regard the Absolute Truth (God) similarly. The question is not evidence because the evidence is plain to see and irrefutable in the same way one can't deny the existence of the number "1" for a lack of evidential proof. If that makes sense.

[@annchovey2089]

@@muddypool7537 We have evidence that people have thoughts and ideas but we can't touch thoughts/ideas. They are not tangible but often represent things that are. God is not tangible but has given us many things that are.

[@ryaneamer4944]

Atkins: "We should all be open-minded. The only thing we can believe is evidence" Atkins: "No amount of evidence would convince me to rescind my position."

[@janetclark5668]

Atkins brings to my mind a biblical truth -- "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" by showing me how dogmatic a scientist's mind can be.

[@dostondoc23]

Exactly what I thought! His position is unfalsifiable!

[@maninthecosmos5379]

I have a question :What is the difference between being open minded and gullible ? It seems to me a thin line ,I need some insights

[@dostondoc23]

@@maninthecosmos5379 : Open-minded is being open to listening with respect to various views and then a readiness to accept whichever view seems to be true and most plausible. Being gullible is lapping in everything without any discernment. A big difference - not a thin line!

[@windblownleaf6450]

Late, I know, but I'd like to add that we should never be afraid to follow the evidence as christians. It is probably the best way we have to find truth, and the scripture encourages us to seek truth.

[@arabawellness]

I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD TO BE A CHRISTIAN! God bless @JohnLennox

[@cynthiaramirez8305]

A true Christian believes in what the Lord Jesus Christ said. Like John 17:1-3

[@alejandrourbinaalva3740]

​@cynthiaramirez8305 You really meant John 17:1-5, right? Everyone seems to be terrified of verse 5...

[@nineteeneightyfour3680]

A true Christian who understands what Paul means when he wrote 2 Cor 5:18-21 understands that Jesus earthly ministry was to get Israel to see their Messiah and when they rejected him and killed him that during the DB&R a new creation was made and that whosoever believed the message that was given to the only aspistle to the gentiles as well as the jews after the cross are saved through believing what Jesus accomplished with his DBR and the only thing that saves and gives salvation is simply to believe that. When a believer does then God sees the believer through his Son and nothing he does is held against him. Because of this free gift the person is grateful to God and chooses to live the best life he can knowing he can never live up to Gods standards yet he knows that he is a child of God and can never loose his salvation. What I have seen of evangelical Christianity is that they don’t separate Jesus’s earthly purpose from the eternal purpose for anyone who believes what happened with the cross. Note: I have only been saved a few years because all that I ever heard of Christendom seemed to be that all of Jesus life was written to me and that what was written in Matthew was for me yet all who preached and taught that couldn’t make anything in Matthew work for them thus I knew something was wrong with the baptist. Through years of struggle I happened onto hearing a Bible teacher explain the Bible the way it was actually written. What a difference it makes. I learned that it was called the Pauline doctrine and since the cross its always been around however theres never been more than a half to one percent of Christendom that heard or seen or believed it. Sadly its all but extinct in the US.

[@tirthamukherjee1609]

if missing the point was an art. religious people like you would be the picaso of it

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@libertyordeath1953]

Of the debates I’ve watched between a Christian and an atheist, there seems to be a common theme. The Christian tends to be humorous and humble and the atheist tends to be disrespectful, dismissive, and angry. It is an interesting representation of a person with God and a person without God… and how He changes us from the inside out.

[@KevinGeneFeldman]

Imagine the stupidity of having a world view that nothing created all of us, it means nothing, when we die its exactly as if we never lived, so lets spend all our time angrily trying to convince people that their lives are meaningless too and will essentially UN-LIVE at death where it doesnt matter what you did, what you believed, what you enjoyed or anything at all. Atheism is the most ridiculous and preposterously stupid belief system man king has ever been infected with, its not even close.

[@mrsamtheman80]

Also, the atheist tends to say “nothing could even hypothetically convince me to change my mind”, whereas the Christian says “Hypothetically, yes, but it would have a lot of explaining to do for what I have personally experienced”. Atheists are so reluctant to even entertain the opposing view, as Atkins clearly states-even if he witnessed Jesus dying and being resurrected personally, he would not be convinced. Compare to Lennox saying if credible evidence emerged that early Christians deceived and some other explanation for my personal witnesses of Christ’s power existed, but it doesn’t and Christianity is the way.

[@Mandragara]

The Christian always comes off as arrogant and egotistical to me. I think it's a matter of preferring the side you personally bat for

[@Movies-ji9gw]

@@Mandragara surely u can't say that lennox comes of as arrogant or egotistical here

[@Mandragara]

@@Movies-ji9gw I think he does. It's a matter of the side you cheer for. Many atheists say that Dawkins isn't arrogant or egotistical, he's just a scientist that says simple truths that offend people. Many Christians call him arrogant. Let's do a thought exercise, can you name any Christian apologist types that are arrogant and egotistical? If you can't, then that might be a case of Rose tinted glasses

[@sherrypowers2059]

Notice who listens versus interrupts Notice who respects versus insults Notice who receives versus dismisses Notice who reasons verses condescends Notice the closed off versus open body language Notice who is polite versus who name calls Notice who meets the other on their level versus who uses profanity (eg using Christ’s name in vain when one is debating atheism with a Christ follower) Notice who compliments versus who scoffs and mocks Notice whose mind is open to the possibility of being wrong in his beliefs versus whose mind is admittedly closed Notice the display of humility versus glaring pride

[@arlencarroll1964]

Absolute load of bollocks

[@2003Rooney]

Very well said.

[@danhanqvist4237]

You can listen, respect, receive, reason, have open body language, be polite, compliment, have an open mind, display humility -- and still be very wrong. None of those things vouch for the veracity of what you claim. None of the opposites of any of that indicates that who have lacks those things is wrong. It merely means that the person doesn't listen, is disrespectful, doesn't reason (at least not then), has closed body language, is impolite, does not compliment, has a closed mind and is not humble -- all of which is actually compatible with being right.

[@katsaras1]

@@danhanqvist4237 Having closed body language, being impolite, having a closed mind and not being humble mean the absolute opposite of being right. It shows lack of confidence like trying to protect your own dignity from being hurt, show dissapointment and bitterness. Nothing to do with being right

[@danhanqvist4237]

@@katsaras1 No it doesn't. Being right or wrong is exclusively a matter of the quality of your arguments (whatever the Woke Brigade thinks). All those things may indicate uncertainty, for instance, but that does not impact the quality of the arguments. Being right or wrong is not a matter of sentiment.

[@TruthSpeaks]

Thank God for Peter Atkins, he has helped create a lot of Christians with this debate.

[@masongalioth4110]

Truth Speaks he’s a reasonable fellow. The facts that his reasonably high standards makes people cower into the “christian” camp, is rather sad. And disappointing.

[@misss.o.j.]

@Truth Speaks EXACTLY! Peter was being a big ass through alot of this debate... lack of respect.

[@paulburger9904]

@@misss.o.j. a lot*

[@TruthSpeaks]

@@masongalioth4110 He claimed at about 59:40 during this discussion that it would be impossible for any evidence to convince him, which shows that he's not reasonable. He's not open to evidence.

[@ehsh3072]

anyone who wasnt a christian before this debate remained so. only a christian could watch this and not identify with peters disgust.

[@davinjohnson1110]

It was definitely a blessing to watch this level of patience be demonstrated by John Lennox

[@Shytot-1]

You like John Lennox because he says everything you want to hear, you want to believe in a god and Lennox confirms to your satisfaction that there is a god, he doesn't, but he convinces you that he does. If you had any critical thinking left you would see that Lennox talks nonsense.

[@davinjohnson1110]

Whilst what you’re saying may be true or false, does that denounce his level of patience displayed, of which I was referring 2?

[@Shytot-1]

@@davinjohnson1110 Patience? he's talking nonsense, he listens then he talks nonsense. He tries to appear quiet and calm because he knows that works with believers because they don't actually listen to what he's saying. He talks as if everything he is saying is true but has no way of showing that any of it is true. There are no gods, there is no heaven, there was no resurrection because no one has ever come back from the dead. You want to believe it's all true but there has never been any evidence that any of it is. That's why what you believe is called a "FAITH".

[@charlietipene7818]

Yes, because I believe in Jesus. Makes it far more better than listening to an immature brat who forces his point and interrupts all the time and talks rubbish 🗑.

[@Shytot-1]

@@davinjohnson1110 His 'patience' is there because he knows exactly what believers want to hear, they are waiting for him to speak no matter how long they have to wait, and he knows this, what you are seeing is not patience, it's confidence based on past experience, he has been doing this for a long long time and he knows he will get a mental standing ovation from every believer.

[@NotoftheCulture]

Prof. Atkins is a prime example of the Bible verse “for the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God”

[@gracie30ish]

Atkins saying our morality came from evolution is the weakest answer I've ever heard. No matter how science and technology progress in the end our morality will dictate what should be done with it. And Morality cannot be explained by science. John is right it is innate in us what is good and evil even as a child I know when I have deliberately did something wrong even before my parents will scold me. "Do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you" is the golden rule because we all know it's true. Even the evil people doesn't want anyone to harm them. I believe in God because I believe in Good and evil and science cannot explain why there is good and evil.

[@cuthbertmweemba6850]

​@@gracie30ishwell tabulated

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@fredricthomas6654]

​@@billkotas9049Please tell us more...

[@zihero5127]

I mean, nobody can deny that John Lennox has supernatural patience :)

[@brandongoss9748]

The only evidence Atkins gives is saying there is no God as many times as he can without being struck down by him

[@timwatts9371]

@@brandongoss9748 That sounds like you're wallowing in a petulant fantasy of someone being "struck down" because they disagree with your opinions. Classy.

[@timinator1178]

@@timwatts9371 alright, I'm not going to check every comment thread on this video. But at this point I think it's safe to say you tried to make a point of responding to every single one. You'd put Mormon missionaries to shame with your passion for declaring atheism. Like I asked before, who hurt you dawg?

[@arunmoses2197]

Which cannot be explained by science!

[@immunetou2]

@@timwatts9371 Not sure how you got that from his comment. It sounds like you are preserving a large chip on your shoulder in order to generate such grand and violent assumption from a rather tame comment. It makes you appear quite petty and defensive and this thread is the first comments I read thus far. It is a shame...As Terminator replied, who hurt you and why are you clinging to the anger and/or hurt?

[@naitinivulakoro87]

I thank the Lord for the life of Mr Lennox.

[@naitinivulakoro87]

😊😊😊😊 I saw that you're defending your belief. Good for you. Let me defend mine. This is the first and the greatest of my defense, JESUS LOVES YOU. I will be praying for you brother. Thanks.

[@naitinivulakoro87]

Hi Jim H. 😊😊😊 Just prayed for you.

[@Saribex]

​@Jim H Well, it is sad that you don't go further and investigate. Exactly this was predicted and the whole roman catholic church with all it's apostacy had to go this way. But you only understand it when you read the bible. Why do you think the protestantism take place? The crusades? The papacy? Paganism was adopted into roman catholic church. What did Jesus say to the Pharisee? “And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.”(KJV)

[@houmm08]

The Lord has nothing to do with it. What happens you see, is a mummy and daddy who really love eachother get together and............well you hopefully know the rest. That's how his life came about 🙄

[@furiousinsects6386]

For which there is no Evidence.

[@tedc7891]

Listening to Atkins brings to mind that quote, "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge!"

[@rumbobbie1]

If that's what is brought to mind, you're an idiot.

[@Nicolas-bj1ww]

So who you agree with here?

[@he729gtd61]

To know something means to "believe" that you know something

[@DJW2]

@@Nicolas-bj1wwjudging by his quote he agrees with Lennox and is pointing out Atkins may be an example of the quote he provided

[@rogercarlson2319]

In these types of debates, I'm always struck at how the one with the weaker argument almost invariably descend into impuning their opponent's intelligence, honesty, or rationality.

[@danielbryant3437]

You are exactly right. Character assassination, not reason.

[@caryt59]

@@danielbryant3437 Which is the usual weapon of the atheist in a debate.

[@elizabethryan2217]

Exactly. Hitchens n Dawkins being *prime* examples.

[@matthewthomasjames]

@@elizabethryan2217you should see the debate between William Lane Craig and Laurence Krauss. Krauss was unbelievably vicious!

[@bendraper4692]

My thoughts exactly! You could be deaf and still see plainly who won that debate based on facial expressions!

[@mohabbat24]

You know a Christian when he does not insult, is not rude, and then leans forward and extends his hand to the everything above. God bless you Lannox, sir.

[@pazuzil]

You sound like a “feelings are more important than fact” kind of guy

[@alexdemetriou707]

@@pazuzil That fact-free nothing reply 8 months after the comment was posted is 100% based on feelings...

[@MacCadalso]

@@alexdemetriou707 The irony..

[@alexdemetriou707]

@@MacCadalso The intention...

[@absinthe-minded6089]

He doesn't need to. He could have and frankly, he probably should have.

[@gp-gangadharampidugu1846]

To answer Peter’s last point, I was born and brought up as a Hindu but now follower of Jesus Christ.

[@OpenMawProductions]

How did your family feel about that transformation?

[@mdwoods100]

So you gave up on one BS religion and picked up another BS religion. Didn't you learn anything?

[@bandie9101]

if I would Atkins, i'd respond "well you are the exception" (and thinking inside: "contaminated!!!" )

[@OpenMawProductions]

@@bandie9101 The irony is there are certain religious extremists who feel the same in reverse. We have to at least start from a baseline of respect. We can't presume that someone is stupid just because they sit it differently. I was an Atheist for a long long time before I came to Faith in Christ. I understand the Atheistic world view all too well, and I even still defend parts of it, including the common "You just hate God!" argument I hear from my religious friends. It's easy enough to box us all in.

[@bandie9101]

@@OpenMawProductions yeah, IMO too, there are several type of atheists regarding their relation to the divine.

[@gordonicus4637]

My mother believed like Peter does, that religion is just an emotional crutch, until she came to the point of death after a serious car accident, and found herself confronted with the reality of God, that He held her life in His hand and brooded over it, then gave it back to her. From that moment onwards she started recovering in a miraculous way (a secular Jewish doctor who I spoke to at the time informed me that (and I quote) "Your mother's a miracle, you know that?"). She could no longer, after that experience deny the existence of God, and this set her on a journey of herself entering into a relationship with God through Jesus Christ some few years later. God was merciful to her. I pray he may be as merciful to Peter Atkins before his death...

[@TAGtalkinaboutGod]

Talk about living an illusory sense of being.....!!

[@gordonicus4637]

@@TAGtalkinaboutGod yes, he certainly does!!

[@WayneDomingo-Sambrano-xe4ff]

Thank you for sharing about your mother God bless you yes Jesus Christ is Lord

[@angiepack2929]

I am one that HOPES Peter will record his transition as an experiment for his followers/students of his belief. What a great experiment that would be! If he is so confident there is no such thing as God, right? It should be a "natural" transition, with zero intervention. If he is serious about his position, let him step up as a Bonafide donor to science....

[@johannabezuidenhout4252]

What a debate. One thing that stood out right thru the debate was that Mr Lennox showed the fruit of the spirit the Bible tells us in Galations I learned so much from him a real follower of Jesus Christ. Thank you Lord for giving us a man like him in this time where there so much confusion about the truth. Amen to this!!

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@theclaverman]

John Lennox seems to be in possession of a wisdom, calmness, light and inner peace wich Peter Atkins simply doesn't have. You can tell in the first minute of the video...

[@nikolaicarroll335]

The inner peace he has is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It’s the missing hole every human has in their soul. I pray for Peter’s salvation!

[@derhafi]

It is called "delusion"

[@dr.zoidberg5096]

@@derhafi who seems delusional, the man constantly insulting beliefs of another human or the man sitting and listening? Atkins is extremely offended by what, a God thats not real? Saying we humans know more than a God, than THE God. Just by definition thats non sequitur B.S. and almost rhetorical

[@derhafi]

@@dr.zoidberg5096Atkins is quite right not to accept that people can drone on claiming something without any evidence and expect it to be treated as intelligent discussion just because it is cloaked in religion. He is right to make no exaptation for religion in that regard, he is right to treat it with contempt and to point out that it produces far more evil than good. I have no respect for Lennox's views and I don't care whether he comes across as more avuncular as that is irrelevant. I thought Atkins said what needed to be said about science and reality and I have no problem with him being dismissive of Lennox and his fantasies about non-existent beings. Delusion: characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument. There is not a trace of solid, repeatable, unambiguous empirical evidence supporting a correlation of any God and reality, let alone the one God, Lennox happens to believe in. As there are no flawed arguments which hold up against scrutiny in favour of any divine being. Lennox is per definition delusional.

[@dr.zoidberg5096]

@@derhafi well. I can state simply and clearly that your wrong. Evidence comes in many forms, whether you accept it or not doesn't change reality. Logical thinking would lead us to two conclusions about Jesus, eaither He was on the same level as a man saying hes a literal chicken with feathers OR He was telling the truth. No historian accepts the body as being stolen, or mass hallucination or any theory, quite the opposite, they say that evidence for the resurrection is quite compelling. No to mention geological locations discovered or the fact that the Israelites are an actual people. Also prophecy is being fulfilled to this day! In 1948 Israel became a sovriegn nation and that was foretold in the bible. But you probably would dismiss all the evidence i gave lol Also, why would peter be so insulting to someone so calm unless he looked down on John? Atheist always have this out look of people tolerating then but they tolerate no one! Atheist are literal walking arrogance. Claiming to know better than God while at the same time saying they cant even answer all questions? They put themselves in Gods lap and then slap Him in the face.

[@TLA256]

Lennox is the granddad that everyone wants. Atkins is the professor that everyone wants to avoid.

[@elias8141]

That's exactly what I was thinking about

[@earlskie78castillo77]

😂

[@reverendbarker650]

Lennox is very clever, he actually has no logical arguments to prove there is a benevolent god other then his holy book, so he comes over as nice as pie and lets his opponent be the bad guy. In fact the god be believes in is ANYTHING but benevolent, yahweh is cruel ,retributive and he only includes a tiny proportion of humanity in his original plans , the jews. So given thats a finite number , he expands his appeal to include others, but only did so in the last 2000 years when we've been around for a hell of a lot longer then that , doesn't this seem strange to you ?

[@elias8141]

@@reverendbarker650 Lennox isn't there to lecture on Christianity he already assumes that Atkins is aware of all the arguments so he go over there main ideas. In Orthodox Christianity you can't reach god only by pure logic you also need experience because we aren't logical according to David Hume And the other point is just a misrepresentation of Christianity, Jews don't go to heaven because they are Jews. we can all go to heaven and we can all reject it Moreover, Atkins didn't have any logical nor illogical arguments at all he already preassumed Christianity is wrong and therefore "It is intellectually lazy" (in a funny british accent) actually if you think about this statement from Atkins it doesn't make any sense

[@RevBillRobinson]

That’s a mischaracterization of OT texts. You’re slapping the 21st century on top of the ancient world. Israel was establishing itself as a nation in the midst of severe brutality led by Assyria and Egypt. As violent as Israel was asked to be, it was still less than the nations around them. The purpose of that nation was to be a shining light in the world, not to the exclusion of others but to the benefit of the world. And those born before Christ were not excluded from salvation. And you can dismiss Lennox’s arguments, but you certainly can’t deny they’re at least arguments.

[@steven_charles]

How can you not like John Lennox... Dude is truly a blessing from God.

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@arthurfleck629]

@@billkotas9049ALL HAIL LORD VADER!

[@aleksandarlikic7460]

@@billkotas9049 I can prove that roulette stops only on red. I met many people who bet on red and won. So it's tested. Good luck with that belief in Vegas.

[@user-vv2pf1sy4m]

blessing from GOD like Cancer, Heart disease or malformed babies he creates huh, PRAISE JEEBUSSS

[@gordonicus4637]

John always preaches the gospel in every debate and message he brings. He is such a blessing.❤

[@martinploughboy988]

The problem is that he misses out the critical foundation for the gospel, Creation, Fall, Flood & substitutes the wisdom of men.

[@Mr0800092000]

​@@martinploughboy988well you shall read the bible out every time you critic on someone preaches the gospel

[@martinploughboy988]

@@Mr0800092000 You don't need the whole Bible, just the foundational parts.

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@williamwallace3257]

Yes, a pity he never uses scientific evidence to support his position!

[@annapobst]

I just love John Lennox!! EVERYTHING he says makes perfect sense, is gentle, full of wisdom. I could listen to him all day. Peter on the other hand sounds like a sad stubborn grumpy old man 😓 and he's quite rude. Genius analogy at the end, by John 😊🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 praise God, even though i was born and raised an atheist in the Soviet Union, i am that NO More, praise God

[@annapobst]

@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros those are really good questions!! Though I don't know why you are asking me these... Does it relate to what i wrote? In reality i value truth as a very high priority. I love truth! I pursue truth! It moves me deeply when i discover or recognize it. Even when it is difficult or challenging personally. I have found no greater, no other truth than Jesus, His words, God's whole story and plan as related in the Bible. I have experienced the healing power that comes with it, a redeemed life and perpose and being set free from various afflictions. And His truth is still changing me, enabling me to be a part of the new creation. To take my role, to grow into it. "I am the way, the truth and the life." Jesus said. I love truth. I love God.

[@annapobst]

@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros you're asking reall good questions!! 😀👍 How do you relate to any person? By talking with them, right? By spending time together, getting to know each other... Jesus aleady knows you in and out, He knows your thoughts, good and bad, He knows your hopes and desires... So it's up to you now to get to know Him 🙂 He is very near you, if you start talking to him, He will draw even nearer. Ask Him all your questions, tell Him tht you want to relate to Him, but don't know how. Ask him to show you! Reading the Bible is priority number one to get to know Jesus, because His words are in it. And these words have power! They will change your heart and thinking for the better 😊👍👍👍 Talking to peoplewho already know Jesus, spending time in fellowship is important and exciting, also for seeing whatJesis does right now! To relate to the historical Jesus who walked this earth 2000 years ago I recommend thenew show"the chosen". Have you seen it?? They have it in different languages

[@megan1445]

​​​​​​​​​​@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros Feelings do not always equate to truth. Often, feelings can get us into a lot of trouble. I was brought up in an atheistic household. By the age of six I started asking questions about God and was often mocked by my family. My mum actually thought I was ill for even asking. I lived my life thinking there's probably a God but I didn't care. At 30, I had a vision that I was at my dads funeral and I was prompted to preach the gospel of Christ to my dad. I had never read the Bible so I had no idea what the word "gospel" meant and had to google it. I told my dad about my profound experience and we studied the Bible together (I left out the part that I was at his funeral). I started writing in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek-the three languages that the Bible is originally written in. Again, I had never read the Bible and certainly didn't know anything about the languages. I was guided to learn about Biblical prophecies. Again, I didn't know what prophecy was. I just want to add, that none of this happened to me because I'm more special in God's eyes than you or anybody else but because I had a willing heart and through using me as an instrument, many of my family members now have a relationship with Christ. My dad excepted Jesus Christ's salvation plan for him-the gospel of Christ and he died 3 months later smiling in a coma. There's so many more miracles I can get into that are mindblowing but I cannot prove my testimony to you. God doesn’t say just have faith, He backs it up with evidence. He gives you something to examine and I don't just mean historical evidence and archaeological evidence but through Bible prophecy. More than a quarter of the Bible contains prophecy showing you how important it is to God to give us information about the future. Approximately 70% of Bible prophecy have found fulfillment with 100% accuracy which means the other 30% reserved for the end times have remained unfulfilled and will also be fulfilled with 100% accuracy. No other religion in the world has such confirming evidence to inspire its faith. This is God's way of saying, examine Me so that you can know amongst all these idols and false gods that I am who I say I Am. There are plenty of outside sources for example, the first century historian Josephus. He was not a Christian but he wrote about Jesus and how both during and after His death there were countless eye witness accounts claiming they witnessed this man performing miracles and claiming to see the risen Jesus, which led to a huge conversion to the faith. We have the preserved writings of the first century Pharisees in early Judaism. Remember, they flat out deny Jesus as Son of God and yet they affirm in their writings that this man was doing something supernatural, causing up a stir among the people. Interestingly, they do not apply these supernatural acts to miracles rather something demonic in nature. The Old Testament predicted that the nation of Israel by in large would reject it's King and this is why they refuse to read prophecies such as Isaiah 53, written 700 years before the first coming, death, burial and resurrection of Christ and Psalm 22, written by kind David 1000 years before. They don't read it because it clearly predicts the Messiah coming and being crucified. The crucifixion of Christ predicted 1000 years in advance (Psalm 22:16) is also significant because as capital punishment, the Jew's stoned people to death (Leviticus 24:16); (Numbers 15:35-36). The piercing prophecy is remarkable because history tells us that the Romans would come into the land of Israel and take away from the Jew's the right to execute their own criminals. The Jew's had to turn Jesus over to the Romans after they accused Him of being guilty through their own religious courts (of course Christ was innocent) because of what Rome had done beginning of 63 B.C. It was the Roman's who crucified people. The Romans did not invent the crucifixion, that was the Assyrians. The point is, at the time the prophecy was penned by David 1000 years beforehand and then again by Isaiah and all these other prophets, by saying “piercing” they were anticipating the Roman's coming into Israel and removing the right to execute their own criminals. If a mere man had written that, there's no way a Jew could have foreseen that and it wouldn't have said “piercing,” it would have been written that Christ would die by stoning. The Old Testament predicted a two-part prophecy; a physical and spiritual revival of national Israel; the physical (the land coming back to life after laying as a desolate wasteland for a lengthy period of time until the last days, which it did for nearly 2000 years). The physical revival has been fulfilled but as predicted, the Jew's are back in their land from being scattered amongst the nations and are in rejection of Christ. So, the spiritual revival-the acceptance of their true Messiah who already came is yet to be fulfilled. Many of the events such as specific detailed wars, locations and buildings are verified and more and more is being discovered. For example, the inscriptions on cylinders in the British Museum engraved by the Babylonian king, Nabonidus varifies the same account in the Bible and there are countless artifacts like this and archaeological sites verifying the Biblical accounts. There are three tests. The first is bibliographic, which examines whether the documents we have today are the same as those originally written by the authors. This test considers the quantity of existing manuscripts and the time between the earliest copies and the originals. When people try to mock the Bible as untrustworthy, keep this in mind: there are only 49 copies of Aristotle’s writings in existence and each is at least 1400 years removed from the original. Aristotle for anyone who doesn’t know, is considered to be one of the greatest Greek philosophers. It gets worse: of the writings of Greek philosopher, Plato, there are only 7 copies on the planet and they are 1200 years removed from the original. Contrast that with the Bible, of which we have over 24,000 copies and they’re finding more all the time. The earliest of those is only 25 years removed from the original and even from within the lifetime of the actual authors. Yet people don’t think to question the authenticity of Aristotle or Plato’s writings while they scoff at the Bible. It makes no sense. And the Bible’s preservation story gets better than 25 years. In the same community where the Dead Sea Scrolls, (with their Old Testament copies), were found, just in the last few years they have actually found copies of the New Testament books too. If you use the dates people estimate for the writing of the New Testament manuscripts, based on what they have just found. We now have portions of the Gospel of Mark from within 13 years of being written, portions of Romans from within 11 years, James within 8 years, Acts within 5 years, 1 Timothy within 5 years, and portions of 2 Peter from the exact same year it was estimated to have been written. The New Testament is the most verified document in the history of mankind! When people mock the Bible, its due to their own lack of understanding or their lack of pursuit of Biblical knowledge. What about legend vs historical figure? Women were the key and chief witnesses to testify that they had found the empty tomb of Jesus after He had been buried for three days. The first eyewitness to see Jesus resurrected was a woman. We know according to Jewish custom women were deemed to be unreliable witnesses. If you were a first-century Jew making up this story out of thin air, you would never say that women discovered the tomb. It would damage your case or credibility, not help it. So,why did all four gospel writers record that it was women who discovered the empty tomb? The disciples recorded what actually happened and knowing their truth in Jesus regardless the backlash. The presence of these women is strong evidence of the historical accuracy of their claims and how they were embarrassing to the early church gives us even more reason to think that they are real historical witnesses. Now, what’s interesting is that when you look at this from our twenty first century perspective what was a weak point in the first-century is a strong point from a historical critical understanding of the gospels now. The first century issues of proclaiming the gospels turned out to be more support and strengthening of the historical fact nowadays and this is why 75% of scholars across all broad spectrums affirm the empty tomb. We understand that people do not generally tell stories or lies that hurt their reputation nor would they all be willing to die based on a lie. The more embarrassing it is the more reason you have to think it’s historically accurate. So, if you were in the first-century culture and you wanted to make up a story of Jesus’ tomb being empty, you would never narrative it with women as witnesses to that event. The Bible doesn’t consider women as bad witnesses obviously since the Bible is using them but the first-century culture did. There is a case for Christ. Most people who scoff at the God of the Bible, aren't honestly seeking truth or they don't believe in the first place that truth lies in Christ. It's not sincere in many cases. Christ says seek and you'll find Me.

[@au8363]

Glory To The Triune GOD😊

[@humpzarabaca1344]

@@psicologomiguelcisneros He is real. Jesus is real. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever Heb. 13:8. I want to quote Apostle Paul in one of his letters to the Corinthians. 1 Corinthians 2:4-8 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God's power. If you seek the Lord carnally, then if bounds to fail. Just like the reply of Anna, she experienced the healing power of the Lord which is one of His ministries during His life on earth. And this still exists today because He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That's the reason Apostle Paul demonstrates the power of the Holy Spirit. I too, one of my secrets from the occult was revealed by the Lord thru one of His servants as a mouthpiece by the Word of Knowledge (one of the Spiritual Gifts you can read in 1 Corinthians 12), that only the Holy Spirit can reveal so that the walls that blinded me be destroyed. The reason also the Lord reveals Himself supernaturally is because that's who He is. Supernatural beyond human wisdom and knowledge, All-Knowing, the Alpha, and the Omega. Accept Jesus Christ, cry out to Him, and be patient. Just seek Him with all your heart and you will find Him Jeremiah 29:13. He will reveal himself to you. That's what also happened to me, so many questions about Him until He revealed Himself supernaturally destroying the walls of worldly reasoning which is nonsense.

[@paulodeleon1715]

The more I study science, the more I believe in God!

[@lotus9865]

Beautiful!

[@derhafi]

What exactly do you study?

[@traditionalsunni629]

@@derhafi what did Newton, faraday maxwell darwin study?

[@derhafi]

@@traditionalsunni629 Nature. Our wonderful universe which works perfectly fine without the unfounded assumption of the supernatural. So.... What's your point?

[@traditionalsunni629]

@@derhafi haha. We dont do that here boy.

[@leeannk4790]

That was beautiful. John Lennox was incredible, I strive to be so articulate in my faith as he is.

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@ethanyang4771]

Totally blew my mind. Prof John Lennox is brilliant!

[@derhafi]

Lennox argumentation is generally laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@kerollosraafat2365]

the more I listen to athiest the more I believe in christianity. Thanks peter.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Peter lacks the warmth and humor of John. Too bad. The Bible is the same way. No humor from Yahweh just guilt, shame and pain.

[@briendoyle4680]

Proud of stupidity too...

[@Mantheman23]

@@briendoyle4680 ?

[@Mantheman23]

@@JamesRichardWiley You say that as if there’s no way out of it. Like there’s no hope. The Bible clearly says to believe Christ died and rose on the third day and you shall be saved. Ask for forgiveness, repent for your sins and you shall be cleansed. You’ve obviously have not looked deep into the Bible as well. It talks about the Holy Spirit which gives you an inner peace and joy. As you could see in the video it looks like John Lennox has no worries and an inner peace, I wonder where he and I myself got it from. Besides the Bible seems like that way most of the time because it’s focused on human redemption, we sinned against God and chose darkness. He’s not going to pat us on our backs and say “very good faithful servant”, no he says “depart from me worker of iniquity I never knew you”. That’s why there’s grace and hope in Jesus Christ Seek the truth and it will be given onto you. Seek Jesus.

[@briendoyle4680]

@@Mantheman23 All that from a book of fables... amazing ... PT BArnum loves these sorts of people - they'll believe anything...

[@lyricalmike7162]

“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”-Saint Thomas Aquinas

[@Pheer777]

With all due respect, I'm a hopeful agnostic but that seems like somewhat of a copout. I can totally imagine well organized experiments on out of body experiences or something showing evidence of an afterlife or consciousness being outside the brain, so evidence is very much possible.

[@lyricalmike7162]

@@Pheer777 I seriously recommend you actually read Aquinas before you attempt to refute possibly the smartest man who ever lived. This was not at all intended as a copout, the point of the statement is to state that those without Baptism (this is where the gift of faith is received) will be disorderedly averted to the possibility of proof of the eternal truth, though it is possible to convince them regardless.

[@lyricalmike7162]

@@Pheer777 We are born at wrath with God due to original sin, Baptism removes this blindness. Also, most hardcore Atheists are extremely averted to any sort of proof of God.

[@Pheer777]

@@lyricalmike7162 I'm basically an atheist but believe me when I say I wish I could believe in a god. I guess pure faith is just difficult because once you realise that all personal experience is subject to the fallibility and cognitive biases of the human mind, verifiable evidence becomes somewhat necessary. I can name several things that would prove to me unequivocally that there is a god, but feeling good during prayer is not one of them. There is a part of the brain that when stimulated with transcranial magnets, creates a spiritual feeling. Whether or not that was put there by god to allow humans to feel close to him, or evolved as a mechanism to promote social bonding and harmony is a different question.

[@lyricalmike7162]

@@Pheer777 I never suggested any of that as reasons there are superior metaphysical and philosophical reasons that God exists, anyone can understand them with common sense. What is cannot come from what is not, you cannot give what you do not posses. A plant cannot become a refrigerator, I cannot give you a phone unless I have a phone to give you. Existence works the same way, existence must come from existence, not nothing. You cannot have existence unless something gives you existence, however existence cannot come from nothing. This declared that existence is eternal, that eternal existence is what we call God. There, now you should believe in God, all you needed is common sense, God bless you.

[@JayBonisolli]

When Atkins says even if he were standing at the foot of the cross and witnessed the resurrection he still wouldn’t believe.. that is truly something. He would explain it away as hallucination. Truly fascinating. This directly answers what Sam Harris says which is “God could give us a sign right now to make us all believe but He won’t do it”… He could give this huge sign and no matter what many still wouldn’t believe. Amazing.

[@evaadams4243]

When one deliberately succumbs to the eternal death of his soul, what a pity. 😢😢

[@maurabrott3664]

Yes the parable of abraham Lazarus and the rich man

[@maurabrott3664]

Even if someone came back from the dead they still wldnt believe, they have moses and the prophet's

[@maurabrott3664]

Why wld you need to help john "why he is a Christian" you font know what hes thinking. . . The arihence

[@amyschlegel1180]

So much for following the science! What he is saying is “Don’t confuse me with facts!”

[@mony2934]

Look at the two of them and see for yourself : Atkins seems rather agitated, unfriendly, disrespectful, angry with believers and so eager to show off his intelectual work snd engagement but has nothing else to offer, appears limited and hard to follow, then we see Lennox being so relax, fearless, inspired, humble, easy to follow, comfortable knowing, feeling and sharing the love of God ❤ What a blessing this interview is for all of us! Glory to God 🙏

[@jesseketcham6154]

I don't think I could have engaged Peter's insolence and continued insults nearly as graciously as Mr. Lennox. Through the decades we are occasionally gifted with clear and concise thinkers who can distill cogent meanings from the fog of perpetual discussion. Mr. Lennox is certainly one of them.

[@robroy488]

Yes, Peter looked utterly pissed off and uncharitable from the beginning.

[@tendaikozah1501]

heishhhh u are so right..lenox is the embodiment of sense and maturity

[@Oceangirlcollection101]

I think the belief in atheism produces an empty pointless, angry life - Mr. Peter is the perfect example - because everything is pointless and meaningless anyway…I would be pissed and unhappy too

[@robroy488]

@elkefontillo3239 an atheist would argue that being atheist makes life indescribably valuable as you only get a single shot and its over. I get your point though, a belief in God and the transcendent is a beautiful thing, you wish others felt it too.

[@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960]

Its always beautiful when men display this level of class

[@bobbyromance6685]

Peter Atkins reminds me of the people referenced in Romans 1:22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

[@mcmanustony]

Not so foolish as to sit on his idle duff lazily quoting Bronze Age bigotry. Atkins is one of the most distinguished scientists in the UK. That you think his not sharing your weird faith based beliefs makes him a fool should give you pause to consider momentarily the possibility that you might be a mindless wanker.

[@Nostalgicus]

😅😅👌

[@jimmock1155]

People like Atkins are the reason our young people are lost in hopelessness, in foolishness , in drugs, in suicide. It’s very sad to me.

[@erdnalac]

Look at their expressions. Look at the face of the person who believes in God. It is glowing with happiness compared to the atheist.

[@WayneDomingo-Sambrano-xe4ff]

Awesome observation I see the same one has shalom beyond comprehension...

[@dancinkeys1566]

“He’s written 3x as many books as I have, so you should listen to him 3x as much as me.” Such an honoring presence. Thank you for setting the standard for how Christians can engage their opposition Dr. Lennox

[@webslinger527]

@Carolus Magnus I would assume DR. Lennox

[@tommyphillips8547]

@Carolus Magnus obviously deadpan face Atkins

[@rembrandt972ify]

You misquoted. Lying little Johnny said. "You should listen to him three times more carefully than you listen to me."

[@timwatts9371]

If you were a little more perceptive and less overcome with fanboy adulation for Lennox you would have understood that he was actually sneering at Atkins whilst appearing to compliment him. There's nothing wrong with that of course. Debates to a large extent are about point-scoring, they never really arrive at the truth. Lennox is an accomplished performer and Atkins, not so much.

[@muddypool7537]

@@timwatts9371 - Sneering? More like jesting.

[@Jules-jo8of]

"are you finished?" Ironically, Peter betrays his own assessment that Christians need to "grow up" with his own infantile behaviour. Constantly interrupting, without manners or courtesy and unwarranted insults whereas John remains the gentleman with ease. What an illustration of where the two beliefs can lead you!

[@Truth537]

Very nicely said

[@boffeycn]

You exhibit the same arrogance born of ignorance of all godbotherers.

[@Truth537]

@@boffeycn Wrong Wong! :) You exhibit the same kind of defiance, born of rebellion of all god rejecters!

[@noahhope8091]

Amen!!!

[@boffeycn]

@@Truth537 Thanks for telling us you are an immature fool.

[@jimmymelonseed4068]

I will never understand how an Atheist could be so confident in himself that he carries himself in this way

[@johnhammond6423]

When you understand the real world then your confidence that religion[s] are nonsense becomes very strong.

[@Jamesp0nd]

I SAW JESUS when i died from drug overdose when i was 17. We have an unbreakable bond now that i know he loves all humans and he is real. The love i felt was immeasurable. Just pray that you want to see him 🙏 he will come ❤

[@rumbobbie1]

You didn't die. My lord.

[@jndvs95]

​@@rumbobbie1NDE are not uncommon. Are you angry at God? Did you pray for something that God said no to?

[@rumbobbie1]

@@jndvs95 Hehe you make god sound like Santa.

[@kymbuena-regado6078]

Professor John Lennox's humility is astounding! Amazing!

[@xavierprayersingh8219]

Yeah, an example of a true believer. ❤

[@johnlopperman2161]

Kym Uh, you misspelled arrogance.

[@roisinpatriciagaffney4087]

Yes. He makes me proud to be Irish. John is a great northern Irishman. ☘☘☘

[@loveandfaithfulness4479]

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

[@johnlopperman2161]

@@loveandfaithfulness4479 Cannabals ! Better to wipe with than eat.

[@pratiksarkar4933]

I like how John Lennox has a smile over his face throughout. His patience when he speaks is really admirable.!

[@zobbukit]

A smile very reminiscent of the sodomising priests in Ireland and around the world.

[@tyronegooch5251]

@@zobbukit That's you're priest experience or are you just ranting?

[@timwatts9371]

@@tyronegooch5251 Since that’s what hundreds, maybe thousands, of priests did to children and then had tneir crimes covered up by senior members of the Catholic Church, how is it “ranting” to point that out?

[@timwatts9371]

Did you? I thought it looked a bit smug, if not a bit creepy. As Hamlet says: "one may smile and smile and be a villain"

[@deterpinklage4406]

@@zobbukit interesting observation. I noticed you avoided making a direct assertion. That was wise.

[@modifiedbear6178]

Lennox is an absolute force. What an incredible mind.

[@Paine137]

He’s incredibly powerful, like the end of a sewer line.

[@modifiedbear6178]

@@Paine137 the end of a sewer line isn't powerful at all. It just dribbles shit out..kind of like what you're doing.

[@Paine137]

@@modifiedbear6178 It isn’t powerful, and it’s all shit, which was my point, Slave.

[@ianhastie5785]

@@Paine137you just got roasted what is your response?

[@RainedOnParade]

I was an atheist, a very very adamant and faithful atheist. I know why Atkins believes what he does, i know why he is wrong. If i were to talk to him he would tell me various things: emotional crutch, stupid, whatever else he says in the video. I know what is right by reason logic and evidence. I have moved past that. I have been SAVED for 4 years now.

[@turkeybobjr]

7 years for me. Another former militant atheist. Praise God for saving us from our own prideful arrogance and foolishness!

[@user-qg1kb8ih3g]

What made you change your mind

[@user-qg1kb8ih3g]

@@turkeybobjrwhat changed your mind

[@turkeybobjr]

@user-qg1kb8ih3g I finally stopped running from God and surrendered. We all know the truth. The truth is written on our hearts, and our conscience bears witness to it. But in our unrighteousness, we suppress the truth because we want to live life our way instead of God's way. But God's way is so much better. All the evidence came later. But first, I had to surrender my life to God and submit to the Truth.

[@user-qg1kb8ih3g]

@@turkeybobjr so when you were an atheist you still believed that god existed you just didn’t want to follow him

[@jessicamyler2385]

Wether you believe in God or not it’s plain for anyone to see that one is a profoundly pompous, egotistic and unhappy while while the other is gentle, complimentary, and grateful. I think this at least goes to show what each belief has done to these brilliant men.

[@billkotas9049]

Yeah, science is non-different than Brahman, there is nothing existent aside from Brahman...this is the absolute truth and it is testable...

[@DarkchocolateDX]

I love Mr. Lennox's face, he looks like a snowman that came to life when he smiles :)

[@MarloMaravillas]

I was thinking that as well. Jolly ol' man.

[@user-cu3xn4xj3i]

❤

[@DarkchocolateDX]

@Natasha Green Haha right?!? Such a loveable guy.

[@robinwarren6924]

It is Dr. Lennox for you nigga

[@thechristianmetalhead]

I see him more as Pooh Bear in human form

[@theyouthblock8210]

As an atheist, i side with Lennox here , all because of his calm and composed charisma

[@gregoryt8792]

In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

[@RainedOnParade]

Did you follow up and binge content of his? You ought to!

[@Nowpinion]

That’s certainly an interesting way of judging an intellectual debate. 😅 Do you do that when voting as well?

[@BobDobalena]

Well, I didn’t hear a single solid argument from Atkins. I actually grew up atheist and accepted a lot of what the main stream says. I think if you really dive into any logic about the existence and order of the universe, atheism just absolutely falls apart.

[@biblicalfan]

Lennox:.. God raise Christ from the dead by an input of colossal power! Atkins: Oh Jesus.. This is by far, one of the best moments of the show! 😂

[@jeielarabarioelina7165]

My favorite one😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Johnw112]

God definitely has a great sense of humour lol

[@albaniancrusader01]

Is it me or anyone else, I love John. I can’t get enough watching and listening to him.

[@stanstevens6289]

I find him intensely irritating.

[@5utoob]

Love Lennox! Gentleman and scholar!

[@stanstevens6289]

@@5utoob ... who believes in fairy tales and talks to an imaginary friend.

[@5utoob]

@@stanstevens6289 Yes, I would think that most atheists would find him irritating....

[@BobSmith..]

@@5utoob I agree, I want his babies

[@bigol7169]

As an atheist, my heart was with John in this one. His patience and peace alone made me sympathetic to Christ.. it was evident in him. Atkins was rude and insolent. Atkins himself asserted that physics presupposes mathematics: an entirely non-empirical domain of knowledge. How can he then sit there and claim physicalism to be true? Where is the number 7? John sits there, a mathematician, as a perfect example of someone who has ‘wasted his time’ studying something that ‘can’t be tested’. Yet his entire discipline underpins Atkins’… philosophical and mathematical questions are just as important as they are seperate from empirical ones

[@thomastroy4857]

patience and peace is not enough, having evidence for Jesus resurection by prof. Lennox is another story to wonder

[@joeturner9219]

@@thomastroy4857 This author of Cold-Case Christianity moved on, saying, "This is something I've seen my entire career: there's the thing called rigor mortis. It's the second of the mortise triad. And you'll see that kind of stiffness. You won't be as flexible as you would be if you were just unconscious." And Warner finds in the Gospel of John a key point of proof that Jesus wasn't faking it and that He really did die: a line about blood and water coming out of Jesus' body on the cross when a Roman soldier pierced him with a spear. "Water will collect in your lungs," he explained. "Now if that happens, if you pierce that cavity, you will see a separation of blood and water." It struck Wallace powerfully that John wrote of this, saying, "He was either so clever that he included some little-known biological fact that nobody would discover for 1800 years or he just reported what he saw. And as a result, we have a good piece of hidden science that confirms that Jesus actually died of cardiac arrest and was dead at the point of the body being taken off the cross."

[@joeturner9219]

@@thomastroy4857 Wait, what I copied and pasted didn't mention the resurrection sorry 😂

[@thomastroy4857]

maybe, but evidence of resurection is biggest part of Lennox lunacy@@joeturner9219

[@Americanheld]

@@thomastroy4857there’s plenty of evidence. Cold Case Christianity and the Case for Christ are 2 good books to start with.

[@stuartcathcart5525]

Debates like this always leave me more grounded in my belief in God. Lennox comes across as far more rational and logical.😊

[@toren9120]

how? What exact argument make you think that way?

[@mannaman]

The old adage says, “you have to see it to believe it”. May I suggest, “You have to believe it to see it”.

[@OdiiAriwodo]

This was at least a little painful to watch. I salute Professor Lennox for his patience. I don't think I could have handled such a difficult conversation anywhere as graciously as he did.

[@dennymyers3099]

I wonder if John wonders himself how he doesn't fly off the handle and punch some of these guys in their belligerent, arrogant faces? Only explanation is by the grace of God.

[@geoffreymilke5176]

Atkins arrogance militate against his claim to be scientifically minded. Only emotion makes a person so rude

[@michaelszczys8316]

Something I notice from the vast majority of atheist scientists is that they don’t believe in a God and if you do believe in God it’s not “ okay, whatever “ it’s more like “ I must do whatever I can to shut you up “

[@robertdevoy3119]

Atkins knew he was losing the debate.

[@dudewhy6953]

Took the words right out of my mouth! Atkins was constantly and consistently interrupting Lennox and then getting angry when it happened to him. He honestly acted like a child, constantly speaking over others and getting snippy when it happened to him. Then he’d make jokes and insults and act smart. I would not be able to handle him on the basis of addressing him as an adult, that’s for sure!

[@neoanderson7349]

Honestly, I was expecting something better from Peter, more I watched him more I got annoyed. First he started huffing and puffing. Then he acted like a bully boy calling Christian Nobel prize winners irrational. Peter can be a good pub debater but not at the university. John Lennox was very respectful and very well answered the questions.

[@active285]

After almost 45min of dishonesty and fraud from the other side, it is very understandable of him getting kind of annoyed.

[@GustAdlph]

I've listened to a few of Peter's debates and saying God did it is "intellectually lazy" is his stock answer. But saying Karl Benz built the first automobile with an internal combustion engine isn't intellectually lazy, it's what happened.

[@active285]

@UCyG70eXQ_ZigqLzgTUavdAQ Already the first statement of Lennox is full of lies and fraud. More interesting is his interrupting "response" at 20:42: is how to respond to this in a very "nice" and "pleasant" manner. It is more than obvious that the burden of proof is due to the person asserting the claim. With the same "argument" I would like John Lennox to disprove the 500+ k other images people have ever made of their figure of a whatever omniscient being. Or to put simpler: He shall start and disprove that the tooth ferry does NOT exist.

[@Umdomiel]

@active285 But he was rude from the very beginning. I came here to hear his side and I leave feeling that I watched him have a defensive, arrogant tantrum. If he truly believes John Lennox is a lazy intellectual and deluded then he should have just listened and calmly presented his evidence. Would he bristle and insult a child who believes in Santa Clause?! He added weight to John’s argument by being so defensive.

[@MODEST500]

@@active285 well then he shouldnt have accepted the debate in the first place and should have stayed in his superior darwinian chimp cave munching leaves and rubbing rocks instead of refusing to engage in any healthy dialogue or meaningful discussion .

[@calfortrump9399]

"Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the World." 🙏💥

[@JacksonCaesar]

What I find interesting about these debates for example, is the fact that Lennox has specifically quoted others (including scientists and atheists) and he's provided references. Atkins continued to say "suppose," and provide hypotheses' not providing evidence or references to support his arguments. My questions to the scientists and atheists is how do they explain the existence of water, fire, and wind?

[@wonderingwildly1834]

Atkins - "A dead body cannot rise from the dead." Also Atkins - "Everything came from absolutely nothing."

[@Glazersout260]

Wow

[@ThePrairieDogChannel]

I just bought all the basic building blocks of life off Amazon, and a Taser from a gun store. I’m going to do it! I’m going to zap into life a basic life form that happened one trillion years ago. Then when it grows I'm going to f&$k it!!!

[@landofthefree2023]

@@ThePrairieDogChannel You purchased the same kit I did.

[@landofthefree2023]

And obsessed with telling the world how unnecessary is the character of their disbelief.

[@ThePrairieDogChannel]

@@landofthefree2023 don't give up, it could take a trillion times, and if something is not right when it does happen, like it's design, I mean it's random thingy life form thing has life from the Amazon chems kit, but it needs another random thingy appendage to live now then give it a another trillion times and hopefully the random thingy will have the right random appendage to then starve to death because it doesn't have a way to eat or any food as well, like what the hell is food anyway right. I'm starting to think it's aliens man.

[@Losjnjshorts]

This debate was so rich and powerful! It is truly noticeable how Jesus has fulfilled Mr. Lennox' heart with kindness, calmness and love towards those he's debating with. I just absolutely loved the way he presented the gospel and how significant, relevant and factual it is in the lives of those who proclaim it. God bless this man!

[@Standing_on_the_word]

Amen 🙏 well put

[@Eudaimonia88]

"Factual"... interesting way of putting it. Only because a person debates in a kindly manner, smiles, is friendly or even generous does not make them automatically correct in their assertions. It is preposterous to state that Jesus made John Lennox the debater he is.

[@markuse3472]

@@Eudaimonia88 I agree with you overall, that Jesus did not make Dr. Lennox the debater he is because Jesus doesn't know him. But, Jesus' teachings Lennox does know and uses them very accurately. It's much like having a book on how to build a house, the person has all the information to make it happen, but neither it's writer, influencer nor inspirer know the house builder. However, Dr. Lennox, as well as many other Masters, PHDs and even double PHDs who have come to believe in God and creation, actually DO leave the other side (Dawkins, Hitchings, Atkins, etc., etc., etc) looking overall like a child in a grown mans discussion. How and why? Because the evidence, all of it, points to a creator and The Bible is the only book that explains such a creator.

[@timwatts9371]

@@markuse3472 You’re spouting petulant and ignorant nonsense but it’s hilarious reading whines about atheists looking like children from those who still need an Imaginary Friend. There is no evidence at all that points to a creator. That is a propaganda line you’ve been spoon fed and which you’re repeating like a parrot with no thought

[@Imagine_sisyphus_happy]

@@markuse3472 confirmation bias at it’s finest

[@sentimentalityhard]

I was brought up in a Christian country. Being a Christian is a struggle because I can’t do my earthly desires. Both them had strong points about reality, rationality and faith. Science can explain to me a lot of things but not all of it. I’ll go With the belief of God’s existence.

[@TimeWillTell651]

Don’t just live your life “believing”. Biblical Christianity is coming to know the Living God personally, because he is the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God). And that Spirit enters your body when you repent and turn to Jesus Christ in complete faith as your personal Savior. A real live spirit enters your body, interacts with you, tells you he is God and incarnated as Jesus Christ, and just confirms everything in the Bible as his word. I’m speaking from personal experience. See, we don’t have to rely on some belief. First of all there’s supernatural activity all around us, so the thought that we have to actually try to believe in God is kinda foolish. But second, he actually enters your body when you come to Christ the biblical way. You’re not a Christian until you’re born again (he’s in you and living in your reborn heart). Being a Christian isn’t about believing something and that’s it, it’s about being in an actual relationship with Jesus Christ via his presence in your body. When he’s in your body, that’s more than enough proof that God is real. Why? Because *he’s in your body.* That’s why debates and arguments with atheists are ultimately a waste of time. Cause the presence of the Holy Spirit trumps all atheistic arguments.

[@Hyperslob]

And I’m very thankful that it’s not an abstract set of intellectual disaplines but a PERSON who said “I am the way the truth and the life.” 🙏🏻

[@kyrmenk308]

I can't control myself when Peter said "Jesus",. And the most beautiful winning moment for Lennox is when Peter said, "let's not talk about the truth".😂

[@soslothful]

I suspect the, "Jesus." quip was quite intentional.

[@stevelopez372]

@@soslothful Sure along with his nasty attitude toward Lennox, lol.

[@soslothful]

@@stevelopez372 That may be his general personality. However, in watching many debates like this. I often think some participants adopt a persona for the debate.

[@fadhlyshirazy]

"Jesus" is figure of speech

[@kee7678]

@@fadhlyshirazy Is your father's name a "figure of speech"? how about "Fadhly". is that a figure of speech? Jesus. Isa. is the name of the Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Blasphamy is using His holy name as a "figure of speech" or a curse word. A picture of Muhammad is....just a cartoon too, right?

[@jgarbo3541]

Science doesn't "explain" everything; it *explores* everything, and looks for answers.

[@Netomp51]

You are wrong, You are ignoring colosal fields of study, Science is extremely limited, do you want examples ?

[@Mr0800092000]

So wrong concept.

[@isLife-nn5yl]

Dr. Atkins always banging the drum of, “One day science will explain.” Sounds a lot like the god of the future gaps.

[@clutchplayer87]

I like the moderator. I've seen him a couple times now and I think he is great with staying as impartial as he can and getting the sides to elaborate and dig deeper with their answers.

[@martinecheverria5968]

I love John sharing the gospel in the last minutes of the debate

[@Lepocoloco]

Can always sneak in a little more brainwashing.

[@ciprianpopa1503]

Sharing the gospel is like handing the famous novel adventures in the monkey's tree in the blue sea.

[@lesblase3667]

@@ciprianpopa1503 to those that are dead, that’s true.

[@ciprianpopa1503]

@@lesblase3667 Dead or alive is the same. The dead would have the same add value from those scribbles. Meaning they'll simply stay dead.

[@Nameless-pt6oj]

Oh, you whose hearts are hardened, you who run from the Truth. Jesus died for your sins, He loves you and wants you in Heaven with Him.

[@carolynprince1181]

I love the respect and kindness of John’s responses. I don’t think anyone could call John’s conclusions lazy.

[@derhafi]

“God did it” is the epiphany of intellectual laziness.

[@rembrandt972ify]

You just saw someone call his conclusions lazy. Were you not paying attention?

[@derhafi]

@@rembrandt972ify "God did it" is Lennox fundamental conviction. It's also intellectual suicide. The insistence that appealing to one mystery is enough to solve another, and make no mistake, this is what he's doing, is lazy and the waste of a mind.

[@rembrandt972ify]

@@derhafi Lennox is not only lazy, but horribly dishonest as well.

[@kjkontis]

@@derhafi I am sure you meant epitome, right? Anyway, ad hominem doesn't fly here Sparky.

[@josecampos5551]

I found extremely powerful what Prof. John Lenox said that Christianity is testable; I am a scientist who did not believe in God. However, back in May 1994 I tested the promise given by Jesus Christ by asking God that if he really existed, and if it was through Jesus, to give me a demonstration; soon after I started experiencing a huge internal transformation that I could not explain. That was 30 years ago and since then my life has been transformed. I have witnessed the same happening to many other people who have gone the same way.

[@chuckdriver8269]

Prayers for Atkins. 🙏🏼

[@jeromejimenez3770]

I love how most Christian debaters are more often than not, are happy on the inside and it's evident on the outside.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

It's because they have a friend in Jesus. But scientists have sub atomic particles and galaxies to play with.

[@jordanjoy9040]

The Lord grants us peace and happiness,because we know that He died not just for the believers,but also for the unbelievers,so that all may have a chance to live forever away from death,pain and suffering,but to live with happiness,peace,joy and with the Holy presence of the Lord at our side.God bless.

[@fullarmor7599]

It's a joy from the inside. Happiness is a choice. When you have a problem, you can drink it out and forget until you wake up. It feels empty. But when you have the Holy Spirit, the joy is genuine inside. We can observe that it's the dopamine, serotonin and other good hormones that make us happy. But when it is unlimited, that's supernatural.

[@thall1137]

I really appreciate your comment. I find it interesting how Peter was very negative and crass with his comments towards John. I believe it's because the atheist worldview has no hope. Life has no purpose therefore there is no peace in the soul. I believe Peter's language was only in reference to the discuss that he feels on the inside. He doesn't even try to be open-minded.

[@lupinthe4th400]

That's what I have noticed too. They are calm, while the atheists are nervous and quick-tempered.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

I'd agree with prof Lennox. Our world of experiences doesn't begin with matter and energy, it begins with consciousness. Only after we have consciousness we can contemplate about things like matter and energy, not before.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

@@purpleohm1440 No, that would be arguing a non sequitur. The idea that we can have matter and energy without consciousness doesn't necessarily mean that we can have consciousness without matter and/or energy. Best not to assume while there are better options, logical reasoning and/or asking for instance.

[@gavinhurlimann2910]

@Kakashi Hatake - Well said

[@stephenbailey9969]

Good comment. Descartes was wrong. Being is a prerequisite for thought. We meet experiences through being, try to understand them with thought, and from that attempt to understand we create categories like 'matter' and 'energy'.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

@@stephenbailey9969 If as you say, being is a prerequisite for thought, then having thoughs proves being. As far as I understood, Descartes merely argued the latter with his "I think therefor I am". The therefor is a reference to proof, not a reference to causation. premise 1 : being is a prerequisite for thinking premise 2 : I think conclusion : I am Not sure why you consider Descartes to be wrong about that, the reasoning seems valid and I see no reason to doubt the premises. Or did you mean that Descartes was wrong about something else?

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@BlacksmithTWD We are not always conscious of 'I', but we 'are'. There is much more to our being than our self consciousness. If as you say, Descartes was attempting to supply a scholar's proof, then in that internally referential pursuit it would be evident that he was accurate. ( His statement is almost a tautology in that respect. Although, I wonder: what is the 'I' that thinks in "I think"? Or is it thinking that creates 'I'. Just shows the inadequacy of words to capture the reality.) If you are speaking about our general experience of life itself, then his statement is lacking.

[@shoetree]

Much has been said about John Lennox' patience, which is remarkable, but the MVP here has to be Justin. He is the perfect moderator and does a brilliant job of summarizing each point for both. Outstanding!

[@KushKaleb]

Thank you, "Premier Unbelievable?". 2 great debaters!

[@daringtothink]

Mr Lennox was simply superb. What an intelligent man. God bless you Sir

[@Sincleaver]

@@jokerxxx354 mad?

[@jokerxxx354]

Ben mad for what? Instead of you people reading for yourself, thinking for yourself for the legitimacy of the arguments and their defenses. You brought a scientist to debate philosopher and because he didn't adress some of the points and you obviously didn't understand most of what he was saying, you concluded that your own worldview is correct (this is called cognitive disonance). These apologetics shouldn't represent you go read and find out for yourself, this militant atheism and stupid christianity lead nowhere.

[@Sincleaver]

I've never thought more than this for myself and if you'd do the same you probably wouldn't be saying this. There's a problem in that "atheism" or evolution theory just like in every other belief. You read it from books at your school, people say that school makes you smarter and you believe it because those teaching in school speak of their theory as the truth. I don't need anyone to think for me but it seems like you do when you accept that as "the truth". When you say "stupid christian" you do that from pure hate and not one bit from actual knowledge. You've let those people take your mind in their hands and form a view that you think is your own but it's not. At the end of the day it's foolish to think that science could ever answer those biggest questions which Atkins was referring to as the unneeded or fake questions. He is partly right because science can't ever answer those but it doesn't mean those questions cannot be asked nor that they wouldn't be real questions as any other question. Now if I said that Darwin knew in his own theory is incorrect (which he really knew) it's as true from my mouth as those who say it is true. That might be confusing but scientists can't actually prove it in any way in its fullest state. What I noted here in this debate was Atkins basically saying "that's nonsense", "there's no God" when Lennox was explaining himself to him. Anyway I don't need those people to think for me it's just interesting to see their arguments even tho everyone knows it leads nowhere. Please don't try to drive me to write a whole dissertation of this topic and go see the world from a perspective where no books or theories are influencing your own way of thinking. In the end everything is a belief

[@davidjulian8643]

@@jokerxxx354 i think you automatically lost the argument by calling a stranger "stupid", right off the bat.

[@jokerxxx354]

Ben there are many problems with what have you written. First, atheism is not necessarily belief in the non-existence of gods (gnostic atheism), it could also be not believing in god (agnostic atheism). Second atheism is not to be confused with the theory of evolution, because atheism is stance on worldviews that involve gods, if you are gnostic atheist. If you are agnostic atheists then atheism is not worldview neither a theory. Evolution through natural selection is hypothesis that has never been proven wrong and that's why we call it theory. You are misrepresenting facts with theory. Fact is based on repetitive observation, while theory is idea of how something has happened which is experimentally tested. Intelligent design doesn't come even close to theory of evolution, because intelligent design is not a scientific theory. You are also misusing the term truth, which is generally used as a property of statements which are to be tested using our senses. Truth doesn't exists as a property of reality. And evolution has never been presented as the truth rather as an idea that has explanatory power and has been experimentally verified.

[@GeertKok]

I was raised by atheists and found God. He is real

[@timwatts9371]

Your personal experience isn't Universal Truth. I know that's hard to accept.

[@tiagomendesvisscher9030]

Geert kok, you only say that because you were raised by christians…. Oh wait…. 😉

[@timwatts9371]

@BrighterThanGold You really shot yourself in the foot by whining about "propaganda" That was a word that the Christian Church invented to describe the way they forced people to accept Christian dogma. Whoops! If you ever study actual science you'll learn that every single discovery in science has shown that natural, material phenomena have natural, material causes. There is nothing in science that has actually proved nor disproved God's existence. But I appreciate that religious belief is comforting and I'm actually happy for you that you have that in your life. All the best.

[@arunmoses2197]

@@timwatts9371 Bro when did he say that he found God based on personal experience? He may have found God through rationality.

[@derhafi]

@SHOGUN " especially when science points toward god everytime we discover something new" Name one, but one occasion when that happened! Please with a lot of sugar on top!

[@Rich-vp4ih]

I'm glad we are more than our brains.

[@bonmai007]

I came across this channel rather little late, but late than never😮 Subscribed 🎉

[@drshajigeorge8815]

Well done Professor Lennox the way you accommodated Professor Peter. This is from your trust in God sure am convinced. Thank you Professor Lennox!

[@tommygunsist]

I absolutely love seeing our Lord glorified through his servants. Beautiful.

[@synesthete23]

Me too. And I pray God would be gracious to do the same through me.

[@furiousinsects6386]

If He is glory, why does he need to be glorified from others? Is that like women love to be complimented or what? 😂😂😂

[@tommygunsist]

@@furiousinsects6386 Because that is our purpose. We were made in his image. To be a reflection of him.

[@furiousinsects6386]

@@tommygunsist No we don’t. Besides, speak on yourself. Don’t tell me what is my purpose, that’s impolite.

[@tommygunsist]

@@furiousinsects6386 You asked the question. I provided the answer. And if the truth is “Impolite” then so be it.

[@JiraiyaSama86]

Essentially, Peter Atkins is saying, "I'm smart. You're dumb. Shut up!" John Lennox has such incredible patience.

[@Recoveryplus]

Based on disposition and character, I know who I'd like to have as my professor.

[@johnnycee888]

Prof Lennox is clearly an exceptional Christian. He sat there and took every verbal slap in the face with a brilliant smile. Dorf my hat to Prof Lennox.

[@Netomp51]

You know why ? He’s in love brother with Jesus ! Nothing affects you when you truly believe in God.

[@arlencarroll1964]

Yep nothing can help you when u believe in God not even a slap in the face.

[@dustinmosley5965]

​@@arlencarroll1964What does that even mean?

[@ndjibukabengele973]

​@@arlencarroll1964 We shall see on judgement day when you get slapped in the face by demons in hell for rejecting the love of God WHO is Jesus.

[@JamesBrown-fd1nv]

​@@dustinmosley5965 That means that he is a moron that thinks he is clever. Just laugh at the wasted effort, he actually can't help it.

[@lyricalmike7162]

I love John Lennox, he’s this genius built into a big jolly Irishman.

[@mick1gallagher]

What about his big bank account from the God thing religion is the only industry to invest in if you want to become a millionaire

[@lyricalmike7162]

@@mick1gallagher May I suggest some English language courses?

[@mick1gallagher]

@@lyricalmike7162 can I suggest some common sense course for a brainwashed fool like you

[@blackfalkon4189]

@@mick1gallagher that's why Mark Zuckerberg is a millionaire because he's so pious ...wait, strike that - Zuckerberg actually scoffs at religion & he's a mega billionaire, nvm

[@brandongoss9748]

@@mick1gallagher are you suggesting that John Lennox is faking his beliefs to make money? 🤔

[@melbaga6030]

Atkins’s smugness is as palpable as Lennox’s open, affable and generous spirit. A study in contrast not only of their differing personalities, but of their worldviews.

[@user-yg1si9fv6e]

The fact that Peter CANNOT make eye contact with ANYONE tells you all you need to know. I feel so sorry for him he must be so unhappy

[@ENCwwe]

"Oh Jesus" "You've got it Peter!"

[@lcc9769]

Time stamp? Lol

[@jesusmontemayor8019]

@@lcc9769 23.52

[@lcc9769]

@@jesusmontemayor8019 lol thanks

[@loveandfaithfulness4479]

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

[@joselinopinto7979]

Glad u heard that too🤣. Oh science oh science?

[@pasteghost428]

Prof Lennox is an absolute legend! His countenance always display hope and peace whilst his opposition consistently display hostility and arrogance. The reason for this should be clear to the wise and, not necessarily, to the intellectual.😉

[@gheorghebirca]

I would rather live in a country full of people like John Lenox, than a country full of people like Peter Atkins.

[@bigd-ui6zs]

Praise Lord Jesus!

[@YouDingo88]

Atkins: "I don't see a purpose, therefore there is none." He embodies the new dark ages of science.

[@GeoCoppens]

Dumbo! Lennox is from the Dark Ages and can't climb out of it!

[@vashna3799]

Where’s the purpose in the fact that 99.9% of all life on this planet that as ever existed as become extinct?

[@GeoCoppens]

@@vashna3799 Right! And also: What's the purpose of 'creating' 2.000.000.000.000.billion galaxies (a recent estimate) consisting of millions and millions of stars?

[@vashna3799]

GeoCoppens ask clever dick , he seems to have the audacity to call Atkins a “dark age” thinker so I’m sure he’ll put us right.

[@rogomerlin3438]

Yes. There is no designated purpose from on high when there is science. There may be an internal belief about empowerment but not the God of the dark ages. People misrepresent us when they talk about scientists/ rationalists.

[@andrewmorse2181]

Atkins: "Killing a baby is not evil" Also Atkins: "Telling a Mother not to kill her baby is evil"

[@Ace-pb8iu]

Love that. He is VERY pro killing babies.

[@Ommateum]

In atheism morality is deduced to a relative construct of the individuals mind, at least Atkins was consistent enough to acknowledge that. Seeing atheists try to maintain moral objectivity is like seeing a fish try to exist outside of water.

[@googlespynetwork]

Cognitive dissonance.

[@bandie9101]

@@googlespynetwork IMO it's consistent within his wordview. see, they think humanity creates the rules and only those things can be forbidden which hurts society, and there is no evidence that killing the next generation in heaps hurts the current generation, and even if there was, evolution corrects itself as the market processes correct themself, the rest of the animal kingdom survives, humans are not special in any way anyways, etc etc - they blindly believe. telling the mother not to do what she wants effects pollings badly, but killing a non-taxpayer baby just boosts the medical, phamaceutical, and psychoterapeutic industry. this make me remember the words "father turns against son and mother turns against daughter, nation turns against nation…"

[@mariburns8758]

same as him saying he only cares about evidence and then saying no evidence of God would make him reconsider

[@streamscounselling9501]

According to Atkins, questions pertaining to meaning are "stupid questions". He is laying it out there to make a boundary not to go there instead of being curious as to why. Atkins is quite arrogant and cranky in my view. Dr. Lennox is always so gracious in these discussions and hold his own with great intellect.

[@rickymombisauze7452]

I love Mr. Atkins in this for making me laugh throughout 😂😂😂

[@scarcxy]

I trust God we have more people like Prof. John Lennox in the world who are preaching the gospel like the way he does? GOD BLESS him richly .

[@toni4729]

How many other invisible Ghosts to kneel down to?

[@Lerian_V]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor 1:18)

[@WrightlyDivided]

Lerian V professing to be wise they became fools

[@WrightlyDivided]

The Wizard of Whatever In order for there to be good there needs to atleast be the potential for evil, which he game into

[@DarkchocolateDX]

@The Wizard of Whatever But why create the tree at all if he was just gonna put it somewhere they couldn't touch it?

[@DarkchocolateDX]

@The Wizard of Whatever So what if God knew that he would eat from it?

[@DarkchocolateDX]

@The Wizard of Whatever Are you saying it's God's job to make sure we never disobey him or do anything wrong?

[@psfielding]

I'm a spiritualist so I've seen the evidence of the afterlife. I always say to the Peters of this world " Iff I'm right I'll see you there and if you're right neither of us will ever know...."

[@Babby6010]

I come back to this video periodically and think of how important it was for my conversion. Seeing the love and joy Lennox displays is the most gracious display of the man loving God. This is Pascal’s wager incarnate. Live with joy or die old and miserable.

[@h.e.pennypacker4567]

The manner in which Dr.Lennox and Dr. Atkins sit is very telling of their intellectual and philosophical confidence. This to me, speaks volumes. God bless. ✝️ P.S. ~ we need more mediators like the gentleman in the middle.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

These two have never seen a god and neither has the audience.

[@timwatts9371]

It doesn't actually speak of anything except a different manner and style. But I understand why you need to make such a big deal about it.

[@h.e.pennypacker4567]

@@timwatts9371 Well, guess that settles it.

[@timwatts9371]

@@h.e.pennypacker4567 Glad you agree.

[@justin10292000]

@@timwatts9371 Miss sarcasm much?

[@cschristan1]

"Professing to be wise, they became fools."

[@WrightlyDivided]

Chris Tan what reference

[@commonsensebeliever6723]

@@WrightlyDivided Romans1:22(, 23)

[@oaoalphachaser]

I agree with you Chris Tan.

[@alexnorth3393]

Yeah, that basically describes every hardline religious person.

[@niiphoart8823]

@@alexnorth3393 Religious people don't profess to be wise, at least not me. I think I'm a fool for God, and He loves me, and He loves you too! 😊And I also love you, Alex.

[@googleuser2609]

Fascinating and lively discussion!

[@F5ss]

I very much enjoyed both sides and thr whole argument, but Atkins saying nothing at all would ever convince him is utterly shocking to me.

[@KamalNandy12]

I was born and brought up as a Hindu. Not only that I used to make idols of all kinds and worship them but I found Jesus as my Lord. I wish one day Peter would find Jesus and that day all his experiments will find its true meaning.

[@djlkiewietz3577]

How did you know ur were exactly into idol worshipping. Please inform me

[@gregdiprinzio9280]

God bless you!

[@ndjibukabengele973]

​@@djlkiewietz3577 Because worshiping anything outside of the God of the Bible is idolatry. Plus those idols are man made or invented while Jesus came to reveal HIMSELF to HIS creation.

[@KamalNandy12]

@@ndjibukabengele973 Absolutely right

[@cooperselee834]

What you were worshipping was not exactly an idol. It was pointing you to Jesus. Now you have found him.

[@chance9460]

Atkins: I believe in SCIENCE it has evidence! Also Atkins: I wouldn't believe in evidence, my mind could be dysfunctional.

[@chriper77]

If a 'god' appeared to Peter and proclaimed 'there is no God', I wonder if he would consider this a hallucination 🤔

[@THEAMERICAN-ob2wt]

@@chriper77 irrelevant and hypothetical

[@readysoldier6799]

@@THEAMERICAN-ob2wt Atheists are also religious by the way

[@THEAMERICAN-ob2wt]

@@readysoldier6799 sure if that atheist belongs to a religion.

[@readysoldier6799]

@@THEAMERICAN-ob2wt Yes they do

[@MartinMwathi-ec9kn]

Peter is compelled by the gospel but he still wants to hold onto a faulty commitment. John Lenox Is a very good debater who is very Humble