Wilson Sent me a Better Airless Gen1 Basketball

[@marekkes7318]

The bigest drawback is that it is impossible to sign it by players 😂

[@schinbone0]

This is an under voted comment.

[@MaxTheFireCat]

Biggest*

[@stephen7715]

wow i didn't think about that - true

[@jeskco]

it won’t ever be used anyway

[@jasonmusic9938]

just get a fine edge silver sharpie

[@bencarignan2711]

It's called drag coefficient and I'm a little shocked that no one saw this coming. It's a ball, covered completely in holes. It's trajectory will be affected.

[@iyziejane]

The airless also looks lighter weight. So if they had the same drag coefficient (pretend), the same drag force, a lighter weight ball is more affected by that force. I think they are trying to reduce both the drag and the weight, but haven't tuned it right.

[@joedingy9854]

its like throwing a whiffle ball instead of a real baseball. this thing is stupid

[@nscafe77]

I think most people saw this coming

[@tc2241]

I’m pretty sure every engineer at Wilson understands that…

[@startic7516]

You don’t think the paid engineers who spent their life studying this and making this for years didn’t account for that?? It’s obvious a placebo effect

[@losbadgt]

I can’t wait for the temu version

[@abdulbasit4660]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ogshoeplugogshoeplug5039]

Temu has it already and they corrected the air issue 😅🤣😂

[@escobar1656]

✔️

[@shotbymaverick]

hahahahahaha - made of string

[@Kyobinoyo]

People already design 3D Printing models made out of PLA, so it's basically one time use xd

[@Mangotshepang]

hot take. It's implied that you use this on the way to the kitchen at 3AM.

[@MrE_]

I bet it sounds like an atomic bomb when trying to seak around at 3am

[@MoreshwarChaudhari-my9jj]

3:30

[@gaines8807]

@@MoreshwarChaudhari-my9jj💀

[@godofrainbows]

I believe that is accurate

[@xxdullah]

Every video I’ve seen of someone shooting with the airless ball has air balled their first shot

[@jmunt]

air ball with the airless ball. nice.

[@gowthamgowda3216]

yeah the wind passing through the ball when you shoot it has to have some effect on it. I don't even know why wilson even spent money coming up with this weird thing

[@joselopezmx]

​@@gowthamgowda3216 Just as a publicity stunt. And it works like a charm.

[@OGWimoTapia]

They can make an airless ball without the need of the holes. I don’t know, i feel like the holes are a gimmick.

[@mugnuz]

well they need different material or thickness then. ​@@OGWimoTapia

[@ThisIsMyFullName]

One of the main things for me is the sound. I don't think I can do without the sound of a normal basketball bouncing on the ground, it's as important as the feel to me.

[@Arcella1981]

I would imagine that this basketball is KIND of like the airless tire, like they always show the tire where you can see through it, but in reality when they actually release the tire i think they would be covering the sidewalls with rubber, meaning you can only see the inside of the airless tire for the demonstration purposes, so for the basketball I would imagine that this is kind of that same thing, release it to a few people who want to buy it so that people can actually see what it is, then release the actual one with some kind of leather skin or something so it doesn't have all the whole visible

[@Eva-uw6uo]

it sounds like a wet slap, it's gross

[@Whatsup_Abroad]

covering the holes would definitely change how it acts with the ground and air​@@Arcella1981

[@Drumsetkid23]

Funny, I have the same issue with electric cars

[@roderik1990]

@@Arcella1981 Especially since, covering it with a thin non-structural skin would be a fairly simple solution to start dealing with the drag difference. It also doesn't have that much to do with the major technical difficulty which was creating the complicated structure in appropriate materials for this concept to work. (also part of the reason why many of the people trying to 3d print this ball fail, it required quite specific materials and printing methods)

[@stuartwood7252]

I'd say that the speed holes are interfering with the magnus effect. Preventing it flying as well as a backspinning basketball, golf ball or table tennis ball.

[@wyatt_wesley_2019]

Bring back Lew Later please 😢

[@Octwavian]

I've been looking for something similar, some other podcast like that. I couldn't find anything as good...

[@bestechYtBotBH]

Lew is later alright like over a year Lew Later 😮

[@sadoxell5462]

What happened?? I was waiting for a comeback but nothing happened

[@charlesparenteau9256]

Bring back lew later music

[@PandaZZZ4]

@@charlesparenteau9256 that’s what i thought he was talking about 😂

[@skuddstevens]

This definitely makes sense as a collector's item. High price, low volume, selling to people who want to have a small piece of history so to speak. Wilson probably doesn't need to sell very many of these in the grand scheme to make enough money to recoup development costs so they can continue to comfortably develop gen 2 and so on. Future generations will likely get cheaper as the production process gets more refined and the product gets closer to being usable as a drop-in replacement for an air-filled basketball.

[@larsvegas1505]

As a collectors item the v1 test version is probaby going to getch 100 times more then the production one.. in 20-30 years... if it gets to be collectable at all.

[@gormauslander]

what does "piece of history" mean? This youtube comment is a piece of history. Ponzi schemes are history. Just because someone markets something doesn't mean its worth buying or that it will be important later.

[@boredapathetic]

@@gormauslanderthe only way it doesn’t become marketing jargon is if the NBA actually adopts these balls, which i doubt will ever happen.

[@pleasureincontempt3645]

You should buy one since you’re gonna be special one day for a dumb item.

[@bomaaningenime3880]

Your skill on the court is impressive 👌🏾

[@muditahlawat]

the editing with the texts in this video is chef's kiss

[@owentharp6906]

until it glitches...

[@hayyanalmemsani805]

I disagree i actually can't stand it😅

[@smashley7210]

Chefs kiss? Do they really? 😳

[@GodsMemeTV]

my smoll brain in 2000: humanity will be living on Saturn by the end of 2020 reality in 2024: airless basketball 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheLastMillennials]

Back to the future had flying cars in 2015 so forget 2024 😂 how about 1984

[@RoachDogggJR]

reality in 2024: airless 2.5k dollar basketball that could be 3d printed for like 30 bucks worth of material

[@MelkisgoedvoorJan]

Nasa is sending people to live on the moon though

[@Majorpain32677]

Go read Bible hell on earth is coming as a military veteran we won’t ever live on another planet go watch more Hollywood satanic trash

[@Majorpain32677]

This is why we are failing in this world stupid inventions lack of knowledge of God y’all are fools

[@Mark_Williams.]

At first I thought momentum would be the reason why he kept shooting short due to less weight, but apparently the Airless is very close in weight to the regular. So yeah, while he said air resistance, I'd say he's close to the answer, it'd be turbulance that's causing a lot more drag on the ball flying through the air. All those holes will be creating some mad random turbulance patterns.

[@hyperbaroque]

Eddy currents up against the inside surface in between the holes. Those eddy currents can lower the [ambient] [momentary] pressure inside the ball, causing the ball to suction the air it passes through. That's my guess.

[@TeamHurycne]

@EngineeringExplained needs to take a look at this. The effect of air around the ball instead of through it. Id watch that for sure.

[@EliasVodka]

Damn this guys is pretty athletic haha all your videos are just you sitting on a chair so I never imagined you being this fit, good job

[@Octwavian]

I believe he also plays hockey regularly.

[@Tyler_Wildman]

@@OctwavianHe’s Canadian I think the parents have to sign them up for it contractually.

[@cooliipie]

Crazy assumption. 😂

[@jtmag3638]

The vivobarefoot choice of shoes is the most impressive part of this video. I love it

[@RealLuvKraft]

I agree with you. If they were able to have some sort of leather/faux leather mesh covering the ball, that would definitely help with the air resistance and grip. Hopefully they’re already working on implementing something like that because if they’ve already tried and can’t get that to work then this just stays a collector’s item. It would be so cool to have airless balls that are functionally identical to regular balls

[@akamehi]

But then again, why fix something that isn't broken? A normal ball is just perfect as is.

[@InvincibleDead85]

@@akamehino, they aren’t. Regular balls go flat. And are noisy. Way to completely disregard facts.

[@jmanrock11]

@@InvincibleDead85so pump it up. Who cares if it’s noisy, you’re either using it outside or in an open gym

[@DMLGhoops]

@@akamehithese kinds of products aren’t really intended to fix any problems. It’s more so just “hey look what we’ve been working on it’s pretty cool”. A basketball that doesn’t need pumping sounds amazing but the technology to make it happen never existed until now

[@darkky65]

Covering the holes will probably make it bounce a lot more different than a real bball, just look at how the Jabulani went, and that's not as far of a move compared to the airless.

[@dieGRUVE]

I want that R32 in the background!

[@christiank7837]

Facts that thing looks clean asf

[@sniepo_gaming9953]

Not a fan of the rims but the nismo intercooler is cool

[@benpaye9364]

@@sniepo_gaming9953quite literally

[@km_attack]

It WAS in the background for the first half of the video. Didn't you see it?

[@DirtyShirt1914]

I think they meant owning it...​@@km_attack

[@BennyBluprint]

Ok, long time subscriber...the thing that caught my eye the most is that Lew missed the 1st 2 shots and that competitive beast inside started sturing. Then he saw the 1st one go down and was like "nah thats not enough, I need another one!"

[@Earth313n]

He didn't miss He hit the rim to see the bouncy

[@ska042]

stirring

[@mayhemarmwrestling]

seeing how many people have tried to replicate this and failed really shows the innovation and thought that has gone into this ball and really reflects the price tag as well.

[@petervancise7521]

The drag would be quite a bit different because of the holes, which might be why you had to shoot it harder

[@chanm01]

This is dope. The way they got it to mimic the behavior of the traditional ball, but be made using modern techniques. At the same time, mfers actually managed to engineer a basketball that needed to be patched in order to work properly. He's talking about it like it has a version number and everything. What a time to be alive.

[@Nick-kw9oz]

What you just described is called a prototype and has existed for every single invention. The first prototype airplane made by the Wright brothers, required them to lay on the wings of the plane and it only flew a short distance. Its one of the reasons capitalism is great because profit drives innovatively. Its the same reason why countries from all over the world use medications invented in capitalist countries.

[@burnban3047]

I don't get how this guy is still so popular all his vids are 5 mins of ads before he even talks about the product we are here to see him review.

[@oiko2k4]

With so many subs, you gonna get the ads.

[@officialrealistyoutube]

It’s pretty common knowledge he buys views

[@Haruntje]

I stopped watching his channel for reviews years ago. But to be fair, its a good channel if you just want to see a product from all sides.

[@matheus_brunelli]

Skip the ads, bro

[@Kudabear1]

Yet here you are

[@dwarfwarriorgames9497]

Airflow is a factor when shooting with the ball, but it’s not as big as you’d think. It’s more so the actual weight of the ball compared to the regular basket ball. A regular basket ball has more weight to it which allows it to go farther with similar force as you would with the airless. It’s the same reason why a paper plane with the front two corners folded then the wings doesn’t fly, but the moment you fold those corners one more time and make it heavier in the front, it flies.

[@RANDOM-cq6of]

I was looking at the r32 for 12:33 minutes , What a piece of art .

[@davidkn]

no you weren't, as it wasn't on screen for half the video

[@theyoungmessiah420]

@@davidkn weirdo

[@tico5058]

@@theyoungmessiah420how is he a weirdo? Weirdo…

[@gragglenotz]

The most jarring part without handling one is the sound. So very different. Of course the look and design are fascinating. Yet again without handling one it’s hard to imagine. As many others in comments have stated, I would think all the holes would create drag. You expressed how you felt the need to push the shots harder from 3. Seems like a flaw in engineering. Yet I suppose it would very much change the game if it were adopted as regulation. Thanks for putting so much effort into a review of something I’ll likely only see on video. As you said it’s unlikely to be used in a random game and I don’t have that kind of scratch. Cheers!

[@DeviceBAR]

Damn, exact time at Assassin's Creed Shadows trailer.

[@DocMW]

Wtf?! I'm not subscribed to ubisoft, but as soon as I've seen this comment, the next video became the trailer!

[@DeviceBAR]

KZbin magic. :3

[@evocybernation8839]

For the 3D-printed basketball, you could possibly shrink some very thin, see-through plastic around the frame. That should help make it react more like a basketball when it flies through the air. Have you taken a scale to see if they're the same weight?

[@kuyache2]

With that analysis, it really belongs to a glass case only to be adored by friends and visitors. Not in the court! Keep inventing stuff Wilson, maybe someday you can make something court worthy ^_^

[@mcash82]

It is definitely a multi use object, if your dog is bored you can put a treat in the ball and keep your dog entertained or you can put it in the washing machine to have the soap better distributed, not to mention the fact that you could clean amazingly your salad there, it could be difficult to cut the salad in a very small pieces to put them inside but hey, you can't have everything in life ... right?

[@stevendefeo8424]

The ball is coming up short. The air going through it is probably messing it up. Seems like you have to use more strength to get that ball where you want it. Going to wear you out faster. There’s nothing wrong with todays basketball.

[@araisikewai]

Likely all the holes are creating turbulence through the air.

[@SWAGGER4us]

The only thing that's wrong is it has air & needs an air pump 😅

[@superbunnee6960]

Those are cool looking white shoes 01:00 you have on in the video... what are they?

[@justiceboy297]

I miss the old unbox therapy 😢😢

[@AllAboutGamesIT]

The airless ball has more drag because the air flows through it instead of flowing around it as it is happening with the normal ball.

[@kolbigreer9485]

can't wait for apple to release their basketball for $3500

[@deathab0ve]

What ever that material is, make a layer 1/20th the depth of those holes to cover it. That is what I want to see Wilson. Yes the bounce will be affected altering the structure, but surely ratio matters a lot. If you have a thin layer the resistance to morphing will be low enough to allow proper compression and uncompression.

[@iRunfastXC]

The real question is why they are investing R&D into a product that no one wants nor needs 😂 It solves a problem that doesn’t really exists and presents a bunch of new ones.

[@mrsoisauce9017]

I mean, you don’t have to worry about inflation and deflation, nor do you have to worry about popping the ball, so it’s more durable, plus the 3D printed material should be more eco-friendly than whatever material they’re using for the actual ball (maybe). It’s more a matter of convenience. You store the ball away, you come back to it after 20 years, and it still works like new without requiring air

[@Vextos]

@@mrsoisauce9017 It's 2.5k.

[@iRunfastXC]

@@mrsoisauce9017 These are not durable. That was a big issue with the prototypes; they kept breaking. That’s a natural side effect of composite melted materials produced by 3d printing. 3D printing is also not eco-friendly lol. Microplastics aside, the filament manufacturing process isn’t great, then printing itself releases significant harmful emissions. Plastics also get brittle over time, so that ball ain’t bouncing the same 20 years later.

[@mrsoisauce9017]

@@iRunfastXC This isn’t exactly a plastic tho. I have to assume it’s a material that’s similar to TPU; it’s more rubbery and bouncy. I believe it’s more durable than standard filament as well. Both those things would help its durability over time. Plus, as technology progresses, it’s going to become a lot better as a technology

[@Expressionistix]

I’d be more interested in an airless car tire than an airless basketball

[@MitchFlint]

What's really cool is the moire pattern seen as the holes align at different orientations & at different camera distances. Can I borrow it to study?

[@TheDrakester71]

Ball is life

[@gurth-quake1627]

Try shooting it underhand. Spin should be a good facter against the air resistance with the holes.

[@Wilsonmfc11]

I’m Wilson ❤

[@romeolucarelli6114]

You should test this theory out by mentally adjusting to the airless ball, by only shooting and using the airless ball for a few days and then switch back to the normally wilson ball, with a hypothesis that your mental adjustment to the airless ball should lead to too much power when using the normal ball, as you try to mentally adjust back to the normal ball.

[@Vyviel]

Bro a professional brick layer throwing bricks all day long

[@AweScenicOfIndia]

Can players be able to hold the ball more easily because of the bigger holes. Just a thought

[@McP1mpin]

Why are we still pretending like this is going to be a thing? This doesn't solve any problems. There is no reason to believe this is ever going to go anywhere but I've heard so much about it it's ridiculous.

[@Pentross]

If it flies with more resistance than before that’s so awesome, that means the arc of the ball changed to be more vertical at the end - in other words once you’re used to the distance, it’s easier to get a basket

[@daviddavies2742]

Artifact???

[@lordfrunk3471]

Honestly, I could see how you would want it to emulate a typical basketball a bit more accurately with future iterations. But I still think this would be a great tool to train with as is. You are using all the same motion but with more required strength to accommodate for the drag. That should improve accuracy control when shooting a regular ball.

[@allwatched5322]

That's the Ball I've been looking for. I have an opinion that the future ball will be very popular with people who like to play throwing basketballs into the basketball hoops that are indoors (for example in the bedroom). Because if using a basketball in general the sound of the bounce will be heard up to the next door neighbor (if the residence is adjacent)

[@sportsonwheelss]

the good thing about he new ball is that you might be able to make trick shots out of it. The holes made it possible to curve the ball like a golf ball

[@hyperbaroque]

Eddy currents up against the inside surface in between the holes. Those eddy currents can lower the ambient momentary pressure inside the ball, causing the ball to suction the air it passes through. That's my guess. tl;dr: the drag is on the immediate INSIDE of the ball. edit: so the solution might be a bezel or a spiral on the inner terminus of each individual hole edit: experimentally, i would place 3 equidistsnt fins pointing interior to each hole. my hope would be to direct all the air turbulence toward the center of the ball where it is as far away from the physical ball surface interior as possible. if the turbulence is directed simultaneously from all holes toward the center, the ball could possibly form a zone inside of it that behaves closer to the attenuation of an air mass inside an inflated ball when it is thrown (the air doesn't just sit still inside the basketball, it lumps and pools and jostles around in linear curves compared differentially linear to the path of the ball.)

[@joeykerr5517]

Can't wait to see an affordable, practical version of that. Hopefully they can lighten it too.

[@antoniodimitrov8315]

Hey, Hello, they can just plug the holes eventually and the ball will be fine. It's most likely still in this honeycomb form to show off that it has no air.

[@sutton4791]

Airless balls have been around in different ways for a long time. Just haven't gone basketball sized yet. The marketing and product design for this is excellent. Taking an everyday kids toy idea. Making it feel fresh and new. At a much larger size. A wiffle ball is one example from our childhood.

[@mvpogi24]

The bounce sound plays a significant role; I reckon even professionals would need to make adjustments when using this new airless basketball.

[@isidrorodriguez8087]

This would be very interesting in the pro league , I actually would like this ball being used and see who comes out on top and who falls next generation of basketball players might have to be much stronger and its gonna force players to play more aggressive since dunks are gonna be the main way to make points

[@KageBlink]

I think a clear material with the same texture as a regular basketball would have a very nice feel to it

[@MartyCoony]

For the short throw you can read about the magnus effect. It's probably what's "not" happening as the ball has no pressure and no plain surface compared to a normal ball.

[@RobertSaxy]

I imagine making the holes smaller will make it better for shooting but would change the way it reacts to dribbling

[@23ofSeptember]

I wonder how it functions in a cold gym or even in hot temps.

[@LithiumProductions]

Why can't they make it airless, but with a (mostly) solid surface? Maybe with only a few openings.

[@NFin]

Pretty sure that's gonna be the inside of the ball as Lew state but I think it's gonna come with removable "skins" one that's translucent so you can see the "core"

[@vossti]

Awesome! I was also thinking about air resistance the whole time maybe the trick would be to ever so slightly increase the size of the holes...and to counter for weight use a more dense polymer??? I dont know...😅 the material science + fluid + aero dynamics here is not meant for my brain😅😅. Which is why i think its already insane that they got it to this level...

[@gr8t1bobo]

Orange Leather wrapped around the honeycomb would look and feel pretty cool I would think. I can't wait to see someone do that.

[@russellzauner]

it's not that it's adding resistance, it's that the skin effect that's usually present with regular basketballs is gone as the air is going right through the ball so it's not got the carry a regular skinned ball does. Try putting a skin on it and see if that fixes it, if the weight is correct.

[@ScarabaeusSacer435]

Who thought it was a problem to have basketballs with air? That chair/stool hybrid at 6:09 looks amazing, but I can't quite make out the brand, does anyone know what it is?

[@arsonburneracc]

no one said it was a problem, even though it can cause them to literally blow up if thrown too hard, filled too much, etc. which is loud enough to cause ear damage. theres some genuine upsides to the airless design while also just being cool, and also it can be 3d printed with the right filament and sanding it down.

[@Tony_Indiana]

This was really cool. KZbin randomly made me watch you. I want to go play basketball. I will absolutely buy 2 if they hit $50.

[@anthony76]

I have little experience with a basketball but I would think the minimal audible feedback you touched on would be one of the greater detriments. Especially if you're dribbling in front of a crowd of 20k. That feedback as it bounces off the floor is like echolocation.

[@YTunefish]

What an awesome R32 in the back!😍😍😍😍

[@call911ok]

the first shot after going back to the regular ball and it went in 🔥

[@jdssurf]

Eh, cool to see stuff but yeah, the traditional balls are the heart of the sports.

[@Mondballer_00]

As a tennis player I’d be interested in trying out airless tennis balls if Wilson were ever to make them.

[@mtmcommunity]

If this is hollow with no air then make tennis balls solid with no air, golf balls hallow but filled with water. Fill the football up with concrete mix ect...

[@jlw5015]

Pretty sure that there isn't more resistance, just LESS lift. Backspin plays a crucial role in generating lift on a basketball and even a change to the surface texture can affect the amount of lift. A porous ball will never create as much lift as a continuous solid surface, which is why we don't see planes with holes in them to 😁

[@HarryWilliams-j6q]

No way I’ve only just remembered about unbox therapy I used to watch this guy daily before bed back when he was doing the cup that doesn’t knock over 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

[@yimintan4927]

Is the airdynamics same here? Highly doubt it. Looks like the hollow structure will change everything.

[@Kajibambouer]

If they put the same external orange layer than the classic ball, it will recover the holes, give the grip back, and maybe the sound as well

[@sidney1234usc]

They need to put a leather wrap around it with all the holes still exposed to give it a little bit more weight and still be able to have the leather basketball feel

[@johny79action]

If you tried the Gen1 before then isn't this a Gen2 or higher?, and I've never heard of a leather basketball!.

[@DarkFox2232]

Pretty sure this surface structure makes Magnus Effect quite strong. Effect of spin should be considered.

[@gasstationsushi1999]

I like your idea of keeping the core and wrapping it in leather

[@1776Redux]

Its actually funny that you airballed the first shot because I saw a video by another creator where he claimed everyone airballs the first shot with it. So clearly there is a difference however a pro NBA hooper was able to immediately adjust to that first airball and he was droppin dimes after that.

[@Birdie_MH_]

This is the experimenting that lacked on the previous and other reviewers videos. This was my main concern with the product, it’s still a cool looking item to showcase on display somewhere.

[@jonathonspears7736]

The problem is a combination of drag coefficient and the magnus effect. Both of which could be solved if there was a covering on the ball.

[@MoniMatrixx]

What's the problem within regular one? And why should we need to switch to Airless one?

[@Jaeroe]

I know he works very hard, but what a life!!!!

[@leitchgizmo]

What shoes are you wearing ? I need those ! My feet need air during the summer and those look amazing

[@LuisRivas-yb1gq]

That R32 in the back is gorgeous

[@foxfromjamaica]

Ohh nice Skyline. Didnt know ya had good taste in cars. Show us more of it.

[@f2pgamingcastleclashmore119]

you should weigh them both and see which is lighter. the airless looks lighter, so i assume if its lighter, youll need to throw it harder to beat air resistance.

[@aji85x]

Air resistance through the mesh make it more force needed vs conventional solid curved surface of the ball..

[@codycoyle527]

What’s up with the ball having absolutely no rebound?? Like you said normal hits the rim it’s flying like 10 feet back. That hit the rim and bounce like maybe 5 feet? But on the bounce, they seem like they would respond similar.

[@ifsu6357]

Never been this early love the hard work you have always put into your videos it's is simply quality brother

[@JasonBrossa]

I'm so glad we have some of greatest minds in the world trying to figure out how to recreate a basketball that isn't as good as a basketball

[@modernmusicofthedarkages296]

A toothbrush with airplane mode. What’s next? A vacuum cleaner with Airdrop?😂

[@nightwng]

Cuz the ball is lighter. If the ball is a little heavier like the regular one we can shoot it normally. It's definitely the weight of the ball that's why you have to shoot it harder plus the holes on it gives it some form of resistance when rotating

[@cliveklg7739]

I'd love to see a wind test with smoke going over this ball and a regular one just for kicks.

[@L4ND.SH4RK]

Maybe take the leather off the regulation ball and glue it on the Next-gen?

[@TheAutumnNetwork]

I think this tech would be great for people to practice their handling at home. Would require some more R&D for actual on-court use in a game.

[@xfakexaxon6216]

I figured that air drag was gonna play a massive role on that design after the last video, kinda dissapointed you didn't try it with a fan blowing near the hoop as to simulate wind in an exterior court