Wilton Baby Bullet 16 Curve Kellering 2

[@aguywhodoesstuff]

As a hack diy guy I'm in awe of your skills... I wish I had access to a mill and lathe.. I binge-watched the 15 episodes when I stumbled across your page.. Its felt like an eternity waiting for the next instalment! A great video as always

[@locomotives9217]

WOW! look away from U-boob for a few days and the baby bullet story turns into a sweeping epic saga. Number 16 and counting! Unreal, it's going to take a week to catch-up. Thanks for adding to the incredible catalog of machining tips. I don't know how they're going to screen the winner of this toolbox but that person better end up to be the worlds greatest toolmaker. Steve

[@ibrich42222]

Two Baby Bullet videos in one morning this is a red letter Monday! I am retired so Mondays don't mean what they once did:)

[@alandowney7535]

Hey Tom, This series has been fantastic. As a pattern maker, I've been giggling at the relative difficulty of replicating the organic shapes of the Wilton by shaping the metal instead of wood. But I've been recommending this series to some of my fellow engineering students/machinists, because of how many different techniques you've been using to do some unconventional (for us) things. The vise is looking sweet., and I can't wait to see how it turns out!

[@222varminter]

I always find myself klicking the "thumb up" button right at the beginning of the video, just because I KNOW it's gonna be awesome ^^ Great series!!

[@armdaMan]

Hello there This Kellering method was another one of those informative "so that's how U do it" projects. Would be heavy without a DRO obviously. This "Baby" indeed has lots of new machining ways going for her. Great stuff. aRM

[@eformance]

Tom, if you weld the fixed jaw first, you can use the jaw plate slots to align the movable jaw to the slide for welding, that will fix your ball misalignment issue.

[@111fishkiller]

I really like the "spray" cooling system.SO much cleaner than a full-on FLOOD.

[@kellyfreeman9514]

Hey guy new to your channel enjoy watching you Keith Rucker mentioned you and said to give you a look I've enjoyed it I've been watching you for about 2 weeks now I find it very informative very entertaining and everybody you know gets Bozo to come to the party cuz when the clown shows up always seems to be a problem but you know hey Bob's your uncle what are you to do make a plan expect plan to go off the rails make a new plan rinse repeat I enjoy that saying very much my stepfather said it all the time I want to thank you for your time I know it takes a lot of time to make these videos and getting them edited and getting them on the air appreciate all your hard work know that I'm going to enjoy you work in the future I'm now watching the vice work where you're making the Baby Bullet enjoy that very much as a very nice Vice very handy piece of equipment thank you for taking the time to put that out there and stay safe God bless

[@BasementShopGuy]

Pretty amazing little vise. And a great series Tom.

[@oakleyjack7600]

Proud to have the opportunity to be a 35 year woodworker and cabinet shop owner but if I were 25 again and Miss woodworker and Miss machinist were standing side by side, I would be more apt to choose the Blonde haired machinist over the Buck toothed Redhead woodworker. But on the other hand she's been a good cook and has kept me well fed. Jeff

[@jerrylong381]

Ahh and the way she smells is almost irresistible.

[@AWDJRforYouTube]

Great "kellering" contouring Tom! The coolant mister is much better, than the cutting oil [shop smoke out] in the previous video. I have to get a mist setup for my machines! I also like the anchor lube stuff instead of the cutting oil. If I want to smell oil burning I'll go start up a flathead 1950's engine LOL. Tom, maybe you can elaborate on what you like best, as far as tool wear, finnish, ect. I worked in several shops that used nothing, They all had a tool grinding dept, and plenty of new cutting tools TEE HEE!

[@CompEdgeX2013]

Nice to see an example of Kellering. We had talked about some time back and while I wanted to try it I wasn't ready to give it a go. Having readouts would seem to be a big aide. Colin :-)

[@bcbloc02]

Clearly Tom is a machinist. Wilton would have just called that one line too deep core shift and then just ground it all out to smooth it up since there is no critical dimension to an aesthetic curve. Tom on the other hand is going to weld it up and work it back down to be sure it matches the blueprint. Ah the dedication. :-)

[@milkcrate82]

Coming along great! Loving this project!

[@wyattoneable]

It's a great build Tom. I'm really enjoying the process.

[@cliffjones1511]

Nice Job Tom, this is what I like to do in my off time.

[@adambodie632]

Another awesome video tom....it's coming together nicely now!

[@howder1951]

Nice job Tom, I like the way you try out various methods, and always have a quick answer to Mr. Bozo when he turns up. cheers, H

[@artemiasalina1860]

Excellent. It's looking great!

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

I think it came out very well , Hard curves there Tom . Thumbs up man !!

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Nice job of milling even with the little Bozo. It looks like a few more episodes and the vise will be finished. Thanks for the video.

[@MrShobar]

Fascinating, Tom. I've really enjoyed this part of the project. I suspect you've been burning the midnight oil on this for quite awhile. Many thanks, as usual.

[@krazziee2000]

very nice work and a great tip from the viewer ,,,,,thanks

[@one4stevo]

Beautiful job

[@jfpinkston1]

Thanks for a great lesson as always!

[@billdlv]

Jaws look good, should finish up nice. Seems the bandsaw was faster than the roughing mill?

[@WojciechP915]

Those mills just eat steel. Amazing.

[@Psychlist1972]

I love that you chamfered the edge of the "handle" part, even though it's waste.

[@turningpoint6643]

+Pete Brown Well not quite a waste, saves the hands while handling the part while resetting it in the holding vise to do the hand shaping. That's being smart and shows someone has been bit enough times in the past to know it's not worth cutting some corners. I wouldn't have thought to do that, but I will after seeing it done now.

[@Psychlist1972]

+Turning Point I meant the piece is a waste piece, not that the effort was wasted. I agree, it was smart -- not only does it protect the hand, but makes clamping more accurate in case of any burrs. I likely wouldn't have thought to do it.

[@turningpoint6643]

+Pete Brown I guess I need to insert the other foot in my mouth. Apology's Pete, I misread your post.

[@Psychlist1972]

+Turning Point No worries at all. I wasn't clear in my post. :)

[@Psychlist1972]

One part I'm really interested in seeing is how you manage to keep the vise jaws square to each other when welding. will you clamp them together with a parallel between the jaws and weld them both at the same time? Is there another way to do it? Seems to me that part will make or break the project. I've really enjoyed watching this. I've learned so many techniques.

[@robgerrits4097]

Sorry If I stept on sore toes.with my remarks about collecting tools in the multitude if only you need one to do the job. I know there are many way's to get to Rome. The goal to get the work done. And do not misjudge me, I admire the way Tom presents us with different ways to find our own way to Rome. he is a modern time gladiator in his own field. Sorry Tom this has come over much harder, (and the responces), then I have ment it to be.

[@mertsilliker1682]

Looks good tom

[@jerrylong381]

Hey Tom, Lovin the build. I gotta say, when you started this project, I expected you to whip out a cross slide turntable when you got to these radii. Although that would an interesting video, I like the Kellering. Thanks

[@im0b]

thank you for making these!

[@KnolltopFarms]

Looking great Tom! I hope you and the family all had a great time over the Thanksgiving Holiday, and that you are all well and good :) Thanks for the show, Aloha...Chuck

[@robertkutz]

nice work tom.

[@dlstanf2]

'bout time someone in the machining group began using a "ball-end" mill.

[@InverJaze]

Just an idea... why not create raidus with a dividing head and a sharp cutter? insead of moving the quill rotate the head! Always a pleasure to see you work. Pearhaps a 5 axis CNC machine would be better? Thanks

[@Paddington60]

There I was thinking Kellering was a reference to a steam loco taking a curve at excessive speed or was it Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon making the Kessel Run in under twelve parsecs or is it really Tom Solo making the kellering cuts in two episodes! Neat way to achieve the desired curve!!! John :-)

[@davidaarons2488]

Looks good and like the process. I noticed that you milled back and forth with the roughing end mill, I had seen Tom from Tom's Technics do plunge milling to hog out excess or is that each own preference? Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks for videos Dave

[@dennishughes8748]

Another grate video Tom; I see you use cool mist once in a while, do you put anything between the mill vice and table to keep it from rusting?

[@colin8653]

Tom if you leave some of that clamping material can that be used as little flat part of the fixed jaw ??? good stuff it is starting to look like the original

[@RichardHeadGaming]

Your holding tab can be the anvil part of the vise easily enough.

[@sharpx777]

this is coming along great, can't wait to see the rest of it hindsight 20/20: maybe the movable jaw would have been better flat on the bottom so you don't have to fiddle around locating it parallel to the shaft when welding on that spherical end (and mill a flat on it, hell maybe even have a keyway so you leave only 1 dof to work on). Just another arm-chair machinist observation :)

[@AF6LJSue]

Livin this project. :)

[@sshire]

Completely fascinated by the Baby Bullet. Astounding! Two thoughts/rebuttles. 1. As was mentioned before, for those with a DRO, the ARC function does all of the calculations. Then, its just a matter of going to the next step, 0,0 on the DRO and cut. Rinse and repeat. 2. The comment about the vise not being useful. I build small steam engines. Many of the parts are small and the Baby Bullet would be perfect. I'm guessing that the commenter has never made a part small enough to fit on a Bridgeport. If he had, he'd see the usefulness of this vise. Many times, my "big" Wilton is too big and the Starrett 86A is too small.

[@oxtoolco]

+Stan shire Hey Stan, My DRO is not coupled to the Z axis. I only have X and Y. I suppose one could re-orient the part in the XY plane and use the arc function on the dro. I have never tried it myself. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom

[@haroldhaines7690]

Tom, Why not just leave enough of the holding piece on the fixed jaw to make the anvil pad?

[@marceltimmers1290]

+Harold Haines Snap.

[@MaxPower_Designs]

+Harold Haines exactly my thought, hope Tom +oxtoolco sees the comments and that there's still enough material there.

[@marceltimmers1290]

Hi mate. I made the same observation and remark in the first video. However it may make the welding of it all together a lot harder. I think getting them properly welded up is going to be hard enough.

[@nickolaguez]

Probably because there isn't enough room in there to machine / comfortably file the radii. Just a guess tho.

[@marceltimmers1290]

Not quite sure of that mate.

[@rickl.orchids]

.....shame it wont be a usable tool.......understood still a great display piece and you should be proud to have made it..............would love to see an small OxTool vise design.......that's would be usable when done, wouldn't matter if it was more square......the norm for machinist is to make tools not trophies.....but this is a great project.

[@billdlv]

I don't see how this won't be usable when completed.

[@frostrap]

+Rick L I think the entire idea behind this project is that the tool is usable and will be donated to an up and coming machinist.

[@davidoldridge3138]

It's more art than engineering 😃

[@FredMiller]

+Rick L Why not usable!!

[@rickl.orchids]

+Fred Miller .....no strength for real use,.... not a jab at Mr. Tom, no no...quite the opposite, the work was great, .......because of that .... I think another functional vise would be a great project......., he said himself it would go in the display case......Im sure its strong........but not for beating on in a shop........and I bet he wont want to test it........lol.....

[@gandersson6121]

Awesome work Tom! Putting those cnc machines to shame :D

[@davidoldridge3138]

Interesting technique, but for the accuracy you need on those features, why not just bandsaw?

[@marksinden4156]

As the kindergarten teacher said, "Practice Kellering between the lines"

[@marceltimmers1290]

+Mark Sinden That is a smart one. Thanks

[@Kyle-pz7os]

+Mark Sinden to smart for my blood, could you enlighten me as to what this quote refrences. i already googled it

[@marksinden4156]

A typical task for preschool kids is to "practice colouring between the lines" ... it was a bit of a pun.

[@marceltimmers1290]

Ya mate, but only if one has preschoolers. I have conveniently side stepped that caper altogether. ; )

[@marksinden4156]

Wise move - they are expensive. Get even worse as they progress through school to adulthood.

[@mikemaxwell3005]

Do you ever use carbide burrs for a die grinder to help with removing a bit more material before filing?

[@oxtoolco]

+mike maxwell Hi Mike, Yes when doing production work. There is not that much material to come off these jaws. Speed is not as important as the correct curvature. Pretty easy to go too far with high speed power tools. I'm not in a rush on this important part. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom

[@jamesreed6121]

Saludos Tom, I have a question. I noticed that you used a ball end mill for your "Kellering". I was wondering if you had used a Chamfer end mill, would you have less material to file off. I really enjoy the videos. Keep them coming.

[@oxtoolco]

Hi James, With the ball you always know where you are in relation to the center of the tool. For surfacing operations this is the best way to handle it. You can take as tiny a steps as you want and actually get a really fine finish. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom

[@keantoken6433]

Why not put the original vise in the mill, and bump it with a round bar stock sort of like edge finding and write down all the dial positions? Then you can translate to the new part without having to leave the mill.

[@shadowdog500]

That looks like it will be a great little vise. What color are you planning to paint it. I hear Rustoleum sells "Masculine Pink" lol. Chris

[@oxtoolco]

+shadowdog500 Hey Shadow, Yeah I'm kinda jealous about Brad's pink vise. I really wanted to keep it when I saw the excellent paint job. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom

[@steveallen5496]

I would keep this piece of industrial artistry in a humidity controlled vault. Will the worthy recipient bash on it with a two pound maul? No way to know

[@mrbluenun]

arnt these end mills just brilliant, making steel look like cheese?

[@tridium-go6hw]

Sorry if it's been asked already, but will the finished parts be heat-treated, or left in the as-welded state?

[@CreaseysWorkshop]

Hey Tom, do you ever find yourself describing what you are making to the camera when you aren't filming? I can imagine it could become quite a habit :D

[@davidmasters9793]

Hi Tom Can you give a demo of how to figure Kellering without a cad program would be a great learning adventure for some of us .

[@thething4763]

+david masters Pen, paper, straight edge, and a pair of dividers. Go old school on it! It's faster. People get proficient with CAD/CAM programs and believe they are faster. Truth is for small less complex objects the drafting table wins every time.

[@turningpoint6643]

+david masters I had no idea that there was a proper name for the technique. That Kellering handle is a new one to me. But one of the other posters pointed out the connection between those machines and the name of the inventor. But Guy Lautard in one of his Machinist Bedside Reader books gives a series of offsets for step turning balls on a lathe using the same method. But probably a quite complicated / slow method to calculate if your not using a semi decent CAD program. Easy for me to be wrong about that though. I just saw The Thing's comment below this and yeah I guess I am.

[@dinkysworkshop1518]

if it is a regular radius couldn't the Keller curve be done with the smooth r function of a good dro?

[@duobob]

+Shawn Hawkins Sure. IF you have a DRO, and IF it has that function. Tom is showing the "no excuses" method. He is using a DRO but his method can be done without one.

[@gh778jk]

Tom, Where did you get that 'slim' marker? Are those available in Europe, to your knowledge? We'll have to start calling you the Michelangelo of the milling machine! In the same way we call Keith Fenner the Leonardo of the TIG/MIG !! Cheers Paddy

[@oxtoolco]

+gh778jk Hi Paddy, That marker is pretty cool. They are called Long Nosed Pattern Markers made by Fastcap. www.fastcap.com should get you there. Not sure of availability in Europe. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom

[@mrbluenun]

Could these cuts be made with different shaped corner end-mills? If, the were just on a single tangent?

[@oxtoolco]

+mrbluenun Hey Blue, Yes the end mill shape could be optimized for the particular curve. The only problem would be then its a custom tool. Typically you take smaller steps to improve surface finish in situations like this. Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Tom

[@mrbluenun]

+oxtoolco Hi, I appreciate your reply very thank you so much.

[@andywalker4877]

I looked in the dropbox folder but I cannot seem to find the Kellering specs. Anybody know what those are called and where to find them? thanks

[@afwalker501]

+Andy Walker flic.kr/p/BhMAxS ok so I'm the only one building one? Anyone else need the kellering specs? I can't tell you how many dang tools I've had to acquire once I saw Tom using them. Hoke blocks really? Somebody please show me where to find the kellering specs, I'm really enjoying this build. I've learned tons watching Toms videos cheers andy

[@andywalker4877]

found them:) Hiding in plain sight

[@tristansmith5978]

I'm so addicted to this crap. ....and it's all your fault Tom.

[@Opinionator52]

Thank you Tom! :o) O,,,

[@mikeadrover5173]

Like ~M~