Win Games on Turn 1 With This New Combo

[@timdanklin]

There are WAY too many people in the comments saying that this combo doesn't work - I know it's not the most intuitive card text, but please read the official rules before making yourself look silly: Q: My Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex has a Sparkling Crystal attached and only one Double Turbo Energy on it. If I use its "Torrential Pump" attack, can I shuffle the Double Turbo Energy back into the deck and do damage to a benched Pokemon? A: Yes, this is a case of doing as much as you can. You would get to do the bench damage even though you can't detach 3 energy, but you must shuffle in SOME energy in order to get the bonus. You shuffle the two energy that are attached back into the deck, and do 80 to the active and 100 to the bench (remember, damage is still reduced for the DTE since the detachment happens after damage is done). Source: Stellar Crown FAQ; TPCi Rules Team (2024-09-12) - compendium.pokegym.net/category/3-attacks/torrential-pump/

[@17blaziken]

That's one of the dumbeat ruling i read on a card, probably some step under the "miss timing" in yugioh

[@donarcangel1997]

So they dont even know ANYTHING from their own game, noted it

[@jareddroll8846]

Monkey has been a personal favorite little guy , no one else has ever given him any love

[@timdanklin]

Gotta be one of my absolute favourite cards to cook with, gonna be so sad when he rotates 😭

[@jareddroll8846]

@@timdanklin most recently id been using him in a poison Klawf deck to go first turn secret box

[@noodletornado309]

It isn’t a monkey. It’s an oni/demon or and ogre. Not sure how you could confuse that considering that his counterparts are a monkey a dog and a pheasant.

[@jareddroll8846]

@@noodletornado309 you're so wrong you don't even have the right pokemon to be wrong about

[@PixieSniffs]

​@@noodletornado309what kinda drugs are you on

[@hidekusai]

you should do a tcglive gameplay with this weird deck

[@primej485]

This is actually a very well made video! I have been wanting to break down a lot of techs and line of play to my friends to teach and improve them on how to play the game, but sometimes I feel like teaching a whole deck after another is too much / exhaustive and sometimes it gets repetitive. A specific combo guide that explains the core mechanic that can be applied to a whole bunch of decks and scenarios like this is really efficient. Thumbs up 👍

[@timdanklin]

Thanks mate!! This is really great to hear - I'd love to make more videos on specific combos or techs in the future

[@PokeChasers1]

"Plus, if you subscribe right now, all of your opponents are gonna prize their manaphy anyway!" ...it worked...

[@timdanklin]

TimDanklin Guarantee!

[@emberpowertcg7692]

"Before klawf donk, fear had another name" -Low hp pokemon

[@nerdcoregaming6468]

You post the silliest stuff and it pisses my locals off. Bless.

[@VHSdraws]

Really liked seeing your process of making it, tho I wish we saw it more tested!

[@DanielMontenegroBass]

@@Puffy147x It is definetely working in the TCG Live... So it is either a bug, or it works like that

[@liamsmusic8708]

I have been using it in a grasspon deck with 4 e switch and Crispin that can power radiant Charizard up t1 or ogrepon wellspring

[@timdanklin]

That's insane 👀 Are you playing Ogre's Mask too? I love this idea!!!

[@marcelomena113]

This video simultaneously made me more scared and more curious to get into the TCG. Hope you make some newbie tutorial in the future

[@piotraugustyniak6591]

Try pokemon tcg online game app.

[@PokeTechTCG]

I was able to fit this into a palkia build and won 4/5 games on the ladder. It took me until the 5th to get a deck that it would work on though. First few decks were drago and bolt. Then I hit zard and donked them. Cool video! Pokémon: 11 3 Origin Forme Palkia V ASR 39 1 Bidoof CRZ-GG 29 1 Lumineon V CRZ-GG 39 2 Hoothoot TEF 126 PH 2 Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex TWM 213 1 Squawkabilly ex PAL 247 2 Noctowl SCR 115 1 Fan Rotom SCR 118 3 Origin Forme Palkia VSTAR ASR 40 1 Radiant Greninja ASR 46 1 Bibarel CRZ-GG 25 Trainer: 16 2 Boss's Orders RCL 189 1 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TWM 223 1 Rescue Board TWM 225 1 Town Store OBF 196 2 Iono PAL 254 1 Super Rod PAL 276 4 Nest Ball SVI 255 2 Earthen Vessel SFA 96 4 Irida ASR 147 2 Night Stretcher SFA 61 1 Capturing Aroma SIT 153 1 Switch MEW 206 3 Area Zero Underdepths SCR 174 4 Ultra Ball BRS 186 1 Colress's Tenacity SFA 87 1 Sparkling Crystal SCR 142 Energy: 3 7 Basic {W} Energy SVE 3 2 Basic {W} Energy Energy 47 PH 2 Double Turbo Energy BRS 151 Total Cards: 60

[@timdanklin]

Love to hear it!! Yeah obviously we can't donk EVERY deck, but it's sick that you managed to hit it on the zard player 😎

[@OhHeyMarc]

I can see this package helping the new Lapras ex have some legs to stand on, and I can even see it working in Lugia Vstar.

[@johnathansilva2823]

I love Oranguru V. I've been playing it in so many decks, and nobody ever plays it.

[@meep7779]

I played it in miridon and it was strong. It almost allowed me to beat a band matchup but I did not hit an E gen the entire game

[@gambler1650]

Having a lot of fun on TCG Live with a modified version of the third deck you showed. It's actually been modified enough to probably be unrecognizable. Pidgeot EX is the all star in games where I can't get the combo in play early enough to insta-win and my opponent keeps throwing out regular Basics onto their bench. If that doesn't work, Terapagos usually takes them down.

[@timdanklin]

That's so sick to hear!! Glad you've been enjoying it - now that you mention it, pidgeot ex could be a really cool inclusion, especially with the free retreat

[@gambler1650]

@@timdanklin Yup! Just the icing on the cake. One game I just kept Torrential Pumping, Quick Searching the double energy, attach to Ogerpon. Wash, rinse, repeat. Almost as good a feeling as when Terapagos ex comes online with nothing but Basic ex-es on the other side. I'm a pretty new player, so I'm sure I'm not playing against the best decks, but I may put my TCG Live deck together IRL and head to a local tournament. Trying to get the kinks out of my game though, I still make far too many simple mistakes - mostly due to forgetting things like Nest Ball putting my Lumineon V on the bench doesn't trigger its ability, etc. Thanks though for putting such great content up. I love below the radar type stuff, and this video particularly just made Pokemon click with me.

[@marianorodriguez6495]

Great job bro! I really like your thinking process. It’s refreshing to see people exploring different strategies instead of the same boring meta decks, keep it up!

[@timdanklin]

Thanks!! I really do love hearing this kind of positive feedback - I'll be sure to keep making videos about these kind of interesting off meta concepts 👀

[@hiddenmosaic]

I have tried the Oranguru in my Rotom VSTAR deck because it makes ultra ball an out to seal stone. It ended up being a liability though.

[@XanXinGames]

Playing oranguru v with rotom vstar was such fun in expanded

[@TrentonBlessWrestlemania489]

I’ve already got a Greninja EX with Wellspring Ogerpon. This is such a great idea to get those big turn 1 attacks!

[@ferzap4c]

🤯 omg I’m going to try it out. Thanks Tim 🙏

[@timdanklin]

Keen to hear how it goes!! 🫡

[@boobdillan1510]

What about using x4 ditto with the ability to swap for a basic pokemon in your deck? Can’t think of it off top of my head

[@timdanklin]

Yeah that card is really sick! One of the changes I'd make to the iron valiant list is absolutely playing at least 1 of them

[@sonotleong]

Opponents buddy buddy twice. *cries*

[@timdanklin]

My worst nightmare 😭

[@tonyfata5151]

Sounds like a very fun combo I'm definitely giving a try. Now I can squish these darn pults and zards that are everywhere...

[@timdanklin]

Would love to hear how it goes! Hopefully you can donk some Charmanders 😎

[@ChumpyGames]

I am immediately booting up PTCG Live to try out this build

[@CALIGS]

vic unfortunately went 75 out of 79 the next day btw, 0-4-0 same deck. The base deck used is inconsistent for sure if it’s going 6-2-0 then 0-4-0 a day later. That is just the heart of the cards sometimes though lol, especially in this meta - either day could’ve been a fluke. It lost to Regi, Bolt, Pult, then Palkia before he dropped. However, that doesn’t say anything about your refined version at all, with your accolades in real tourneys I really trust this revision a lot, and I’m hopeful these improvements make this standout more because this looks really fun to play! Awesome video and workshopping! New sub for sure.

[@CALIGS]

I’m glad you have a channel btw, you always place well in your Aussie Regionals, it’s great to have real talent showing the ropes to others. Thank you for taking time to post theory and workshop these things on video. This helps with understanding how decks are built, before people just copy paste the same list from the internet with nearly no changes and it’s all you ever seem to play against in online play haha. Congrats on 1k!

[@timdanklin]

Genuinely thankyou so much!! It really means a lot to hear this - these kind of comments fuel my motivation to make more content and help others learn, improve and think about the game 🫡

[@CALIGS]

@@timdanklinthat’s great! I think you’ll do some solid numbers, this community desperately needs more competition players doing deck breakdowns. At this time it seems Azul and LDF are the only two tourney players that really dive into deck theory or showing anything. I’m sure there are more I’m forgetting. Azul sticks close to meta due to his position, LDF shows great bad deck Fridays for some rogue content, this is cozy in the center. I like a deck that practices good theory and has consistency, but is “off-meta” lol, I’m glad there is more room to play in the current F sets. Im hoping to run a few hours of practice on Live and see if the Greninja version of this is as fun as it is in my head haha. I’m excited to test it!

[@MielieDrolle]

Please do more combo videos

[@Someone.Is.Here.4]

The list I’ve been running Pokémon: 9 4 Iron Thorns ex TWM 77 2 Cornerstone Mask Ogerpon ex TWM 112 2 Mimikyu PAL 97 1 Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex TWM 64 Trainer: 37 4 Arven OBF 186 3 Penny SVI 183 3 Boss's Orders PAL 172 3 Judge SVI 176 2 Colress's Tenacity SFA 57 1 Eri TEF 146 4 Nest Ball SVI 181 4 Pokégear 3.0 SVI 186 2 Switch Cart ASR 154 1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 1 Earthen Vessel PAR 163 1 Night Stretcher SFA 61 2 Future Booster Energy Capsule TEF 149 1 Handheld Fan TWM 150 1 Technical Machine: Turbo Energize PAR 179 1 Sparkling Crystal SCR 142 2 Lost City LOR 161 1 Town store OBF 196 Energy: 14 4 Lightning Energy SVE 12 4 Double Turbo Energy BRS 151 2 Psychic Energy SVE 13 2 Fighting Energy SVE 14 2 Mist Energy TEF 161 Underrated KZbinr

[@timdanklin]

This is a actually really interesting and spicy - looks like you have so many options for strategies and lines 👀👀 I'm loving the Sob plus Eri in a deck like this!

[@MikeJones-xg2bm]

THAT THUMB NAIL IS HILARIOUS😂😂😂

[@stupidhatmanjoshua7640]

I thought the official ruling was that you had to shuffle 3 energy regardless of sparkling crystal?

[@cajasp2]

yes you have to shuffle 3

[@headhunters2777]

The official ruling says shuffle as much as you can

[@lucasflores1552]

I wanna see you play this deck in a game

[@joeyboucher8536]

If its not too much you could play latias ex to give oranguru the free pivot

[@timdanklin]

You 100% could!! I'm definitely gonna make this upgrade once the card comes out

[@mohr_life]

Welp. Guess I have to learn Raging Bolt now lol

[@diegolau1]

really nice video!

[@PokeDangDeals]

What do you think of playing this package into Luxray EX or is that too spicy?

[@timdanklin]

Sparkling Crystal doesn't fit in too well, but you already play DTE - I'd say give it a crack! It might be surprisingly good 👀

[@shikabaneconga]

no decklist?? in copy paste format?

[@Kevin-vh6nn]

its not that hard, 99% of current meta decks already use the same repeat 35 cards.. adding 25 takes 10 mins

[@dunne4f]

How could you slam this combo in Palkia/Dusknoir???

[@timdanklin]

It would be pretty difficult since there aren't a lot of naturally shared cards - easiest package would be lumi, colress, town store - but I'd suggest experimenting with something a bit more natural, like glass trumpet and energy switch!

[@dunne4f]

@ thanks 😊

[@cjakabuck90]

Played against this deck/combo first thing this morning on ladder ... Thankx

[@snittykins]

No way timdanklin the Mii sword fighter has shown up on my recommended

[@FrightFur]

How are you returning 3 energy into the deck?

[@timdanklin]

The way it works in Pokemon is that you fulfil as much of the effect as possible - so you just return the double turbo energy and you still get to use the rest of the attack

[@asWerty5040]

@@timdanklin I don't think that is how it works, because it specifies that to do damage to the bench you have to shuffle energies

[@timdanklin]

@@asWerty5040 Yeah you do have to shuffle the double turbo energy - but you don't need a third energy - pokegym.net/2024/08/30/stellar-crown-faq-sv07/

[@timdanklin]

It's not the most intuitive interaction - but it's definitely how it works, which is great cause the combo is really fun ☺️

[@borodkro]

​@@beastboyrockerThat is what it should be but it isn't. They made an exception for it

[@noahpparentreason1581]

Does torrential pump still work by only shuffling back the double turbo as it requires you to shuffle 3 rather than up to 3?

[@noahpparentreason1581]

Nvm read the other comment

[@GetInTheRing777]

New to the modern game, this is awesome

[@gamingwithluca5359]

what if sparkling crystal is in your prizecards?

[@omegaplayr4787]

GG

[@apencil5147]

I’ll just run kingdra, but i wanna try this deck out how much is it?

[@diluc6307]

Since ogerpon card tells you need to discard 3 energies to activate the 2nd effect, how do you active it with only double turbo energy and the cristal??? For me you can effectively attack but you can't activate the 2nd effect to attack the bench

[@icecream405]

alternate title: nobody likes playing with me because I dont allow them to play the game

[@Digital_Her0]

That's some spicy to greninja. I like it

[@Milo_Malo]

any updates with a list?

[@sylveonxxx2830]

Wow reading the comments on why this combo shouldnt work is making my brain explode lol 😂

[@uwotm8776]

In 6 games so far ive had one of the cards for this combo in the prizes. I pulled it off once and they had 2 heavy basics out so it didnt do anything 😂

[@piotraugustyniak6591]

Greninja and meawcadra use turbo.

[@teriyakinoodle6167]

Welp I'm tweaking my greninja list now 😅😅

[@M4tte_0]

where is the decklist ??

[@SomeoneAtsAreDumb]

? How can you shuffle 3 energy if you don't have 3 energy

[@DreamerInAction]

SHAKE MY HAND 😂😂😂

[@MB-km3br]

Aaaaand... your Enemy is raging bolt

[@Stranaa]

2 away from 1000 subs well done!

[@Kevin-vh6nn]

1.27k!

[@veranzamall-lm2ig]

Guess what, GUESS WHAT

[@vanlee1700]

Deck list plz

[@timdanklin]

There are a few different lists in the second half of the video ☺️

[@vanlee1700]

@@timdanklin but i still want it here

[@UnspeakMyMind]

I tried this on TCG live and nope, if u have only one Dual Turbo and one Water energy, they are both consumed.

[@jombertronkel8924]

well yeah like they said, doing as much as you can. if there's only a DTE, you can only shuffle back the DTE

[@gambler1650]

Shuffles the DTE and still works when I have the Crystal attached.

[@eatenalive9079]

You totally had me with you until you just tried to fit this donk package in already meta decks. I would have loved to see a nice original wellspring ogerpon deck. 😅 nonetheless i love your approach on deckbuilding and your content, keep it up!💥

[@timdanklin]

The third deck list I showed off is an original take with a solid focus on Wellspring Ogrepon - but it was quite hard to come up with a deck entirely focused on just this concept, would love to see one if you come up with something 👀

[@eatenalive9079]

​@@timdanklini tried so many different (mainly) controllish decklists with it and know how fragile it is this is why I hoped to see it work in some way. I haven't tried a hardcore "combo" approach though and your video definitely makes me want to go deckbuilding with it again. 😊

[@mownta]

can someone link the card list please?

[@vesperianstar]

I'm already playing Palkia with Greninja. Since the deck runs very little supporters, but a lot of Items and Greninja, I already run Colress. I already run DTE since I play both Colress and Greninja already. I could literally just put an Ogerpon in there and switch Catcher for Crystal, maybe 1 Town Store. Palkia can even recharge the Ogerpon if necessary. The deck also runs the Dusk Line.

[@timdanklin]

This would definitely be cool to try out!!! It'd give the deck such a nice turn 1 attacking option when you have to go second

[@vesperianstar]

@@timdanklin That's exactly the thing. The deck is gas but has no Turn 1 attack to put the pressure on going second. I'll be testing it and seeing how it goes.

[@mercury2c]

​@@vesperianstar if you end up liking it could you please send me your deck list? Thanks!

[@vesperianstar]

@@mercury2c Update: It was a terrible idea. Screws up all ratios. Deck becomes really inconsistent and you never use Ogerpon that often anyway. Would not recommend.

[@jareddroll8846]

using your ogerpon crystal idea and putting it in the turbo 4 dusknoir terapagos

[@jareddroll8846]

Pokémon: 12 1 Dusclops SFA 19 1 Pidgey MEW 16 3 Hoothoot TEF 126 4 Duskull SFA 18 1 Hoothoot TEF 126 PH 4 Noctowl SCR 115 1 Fan Rotom SCR 118 1 Terapagos ex SCR 170 1 Iron Bundle PR-SV 58 3 Dusknoir SFA 20 1 Pidgeot ex OBF 164 1 Wellspring Mask Ogerpon ex TWM 64 Trainer: 12 4 Ultra Ball PAF 91 4 Rare Candy SVI 191 1 Counter Catcher PAR 160 1 Sparkling Crystal SCR 142 4 Night Stretcher SFA 61 1 Colress's Tenacity SFA 57 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TWM 223 1 Arezu LOR 153 4 Nest Ball SVI 181 4 Area Zero Underdepths SCR 174 1 Switch SVI 194 PH 1 Boss's Orders RCL 154 Energy: 2 4 Double Turbo Energy ASR 216 4 Jet Energy PAL 190 Total Cards: 60

[@timdanklin]

That's pretty sick!!!! Have you missed having a way to search out crystal on turn 1? Or is noctowl enough?

[@jareddroll8846]

@@timdanklin focused on turn 1 and relying on Noctowl at least on that build. Maybe you are right and there is a way to still pull off the turn 1 going 2nd to beat the mirror ? I'm struggling a bit with turbo 2nd two prize decks too

[@Anoth3rFail3dUpload]

Would like a deck list for this

[@MrAnon89]

Manaphy good job bro. You are also reliant your opponent not starting more than 2 benched pokemon you going second low hp.

[@MrDino023]

Im just starting to play PTGC after like 20 years, however, correct me if I'm wrong, this is turn 1 win if you are 2nd? Because, as far as I'm aware, you cant attack, use supporters or attach energys if you go first correct? Or am I missing something?

[@timdanklin]

Yep, you would have to be going second to attack on your first turn - when you go first you can't play supporters or attack on your first turn (unless stated otherwise) but you CAN attach energy ☺️

[@MrDino023]

@@timdanklin got it, thank you!

[@christopherxgordon]

I'm confused. How does this work? Wellspring Ogerpon states that you have to shuffle 3 energy cards back into your deck to get the 120 bench damage. It is worded very specifically that you have to shuffle in 3 energy cards. If you attach a crystal and DTE, then that's only 1 energy card thereby making it impossible to get the bench damage benefit. Am i just dumb and missing something obvious? Is this meant to be satire? I'm seriously very confused.

[@timdanklin]

You aren't dumb, it's just not super intuitive - in Pokemon you fulfil as much of the effect as possible, so it will actually work after you shuffle in just the DTE (assuming that is your only energy)

[@chasesmith4273]

@@timdanklinthis still doesn’t make sense. The effect states “You may shuffle 3 energy attached to this Pokémon into the deck. IF YOU DO, this attack also does 120 damage to one of your opponent’s benched Pokemon. Even the DTE is just 2 energy. It doesn’t fulfill the requirement of 3 energy. If you don’t have the 3 energy to send you can’t just send 2. If it said “up to 3” then it would be different.

[@chasesmith4273]

@@timdanklinseems like this is just a case of “this card was printed terribly so Pokémon just said this is how it works even though it goes against the actual rules of the game”

[@chasesmith4273]

@@timdanklinby this “fulfilling the requirement as much as you can” rule, we should be able to use cards like Ultra Ball or Superior Energy Retreival with one card in hand because you are “fulfilling as much of the requirement as you can”.

[@cajasp2]

it doesn't say 3 energy cards it says 3 energy, DTE counts as 2, but yes, it has to be 3 energy, still can't haha

[@MusicalBoarder]

If you have a perfect opener and your opponent always goes first and only plays low hp basic pokemon and no more than 2 of them then you can win win turn 1 every game!

[@ivbremkinjardii5713]

Jokes on you I play big boys.

[@fragile-_-4373]

unironically this combo is so good people where playing it at the regional. good job cooking cheff

[@timdanklin]

It was incredible seeing it pop up AND do well at some of the latest majors!!!

[@ECnations]

I'm glad haxorus and kyurem exist do to people like this /\

[@RaineBans]

if i sub will my opponents prize all their charizards? :)

[@metalhead684]

Decklist???

[@kazumaster293]

I watched the entire video but i stil dont get how that ogerpon combo is a gg turn 1? Doesnt look that good to me

[@vkraven]

So how do i shuffel 3 energy back in my deck if i only have 1 doubleturbo ?

[@timdanklin]

In Pokemon you fulfil as much of the effect as possible, so you shuffle the DTE in and it still works

[@heirsolo08]

But shufflng the energies is not an after attack effect, it is a required condition for the attack. So wouldn't be invalid?

[@JetfireQuasar]

@@heirsolo08 It's legit you only need to shuffle the DTE, it a loop hole over the word 'May' if it read 'You Must' it wouldn't work

[@fulfire1]

you can't use the effect of dealing bench damage cause you are not shuffling 3 energy, if is possible in tcg live, is a bug

[@DiegoFernande5]

well, without a video with this working.. doesnt make sense the explaining video

[@VaultBoy-kz6ed]

But the attack says u have shuffle 3 energy so DTE wouldn’t work

[@DanielMontenegroBass]

It is definetely working in the TCG Live... So it is either a bug, or it works like that

[@salvanoize]

it says you may shuffle..

[@VaultBoy-kz6ed]

@@salvanoize ya u may shuffle to do the 120 damage that just means u can choose to not do the attack

[@GarlicBreadBen]

When it says that, but you don’t technically have the energy, you go as far as you can and still get the effect because you made the choice to do so.

[@VaultBoy-kz6ed]

@@GarlicBreadBen that’s dumb how would it be different then me using chenpow to deal 300 damage but only discarding 2 energy bc that’s all I had

[@keithtaylor6251]

You mean turn 2 since the turn 1 player can't use a support or attack.

[@timdanklin]

You're right, but it's still called a turn 1 attack in Pokemon (Turn 1 going second)

[@luisangelperez9469]

If you read the card, thsi doesnt make any sense

[@augustdunnihoo]

pokemon just aint fun when it is a turn one turn two game. rip the format and the idea of having comeback cards when players can use those comeback cards while in the lead.

[@haljohnston7489]

I’m sorry but the only people this deck would beat are beginners or people that brick and you have to pull it off turn 1 or the deck just sucks. 😂

[@kilpatrrick]

Oh this guy thinks he's slick I didn't forget about the ditto video 🤌🤌🤌

[@arielpino5823]

Going to use this with iron thorns 🫡

[@timdanklin]

I want to do that just to see the look on my opponent's face...