Winchester Model 100

The Winchester Model 100. I was looking for one of these for a while but really wanted a first year (1961) example in great condition. This one showed up about $250 more than the going price and I jumped on it because of the period Leupold 3X9 scope, period leather sling, and all intact odds and ends like sight hood and original magazine. Plus, it was gently used and not stored in a condition to cause degradation to the gas operation parts which can be a common sight on these.
There was a recall in 1990 for the firing pin which could break and lodge in the bolt in such a way to set off the next round being auto loaded before the locking lugs were set in place causing a catastrophic failure. A call to Winchester informed me that their records indicate my rifle received the new style firing pin under the recall by the authorized repair spot in California. That was great as long as the newer style of firing pin was still in there......this necessitated a tear down and reassembly for checking, testing, and cleaning.
In a departure from my regular procedure of familiarizing myself with a firearm THEN doing a video I decided to do this one a bit more.....raw. I did the disassembly and reassembly on camera COLD....for the first time so we can learn about it together. Some edits were necessary due to time constraints but I tried to capture every step and all the challenges met at those steps while editing out the SOP.
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Once again, thanks for the support and dealing with my long winded diatribe and my 53 year old 911 first responder COPD heavy breathing. Somewhere in there is some useful information and I appreciate you taking the time to attempt to find it.
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Happy Holidays and see you all in 2022. PEACE!

[@triplblack]

I love the history/info on your channel. Please keep it coming.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks! Sure will!

[@chriscaz1239]

Another quality video. Keep up the great work. Appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks. Appreciate your interest.

[@shooter-observer1]

I just traded in for a fine example of a post 64 and I’m so glad I found your video. Mine did not have a letter stamp but I popped out the action and to my delight the firing pin does not freely rotate!!! thanks for the info I stuck through the entire video on the edge of my seat hahah

[@MilsurpGarage]

You may be the first guy to sit through an entire one of my videos. Thanks for the kind words, glad to help.

[@aleckuhn6344]

I’ve recently inherited my Father’s Model 100 in 243. Great info.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Very cool! Thanks for tuning in!

[@walleyewilly8085]

Great info! Rock on Brethern!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@jamesbronner3927]

They made these in 358 Winchester as well in the R models. I just purchased one in 308. This would be a very cool rifle in 338 Federal with a 20 or so inch barrel.

[@user-po9hy9th7w]

@@jamesbronner3927 …. they made the Winchester model 88 lever action in 358 Win but NOT the 100 … there might have been some 100s custom converted to 358 Win but no model 100s came from the factory in 358 Win

[@muddog2159]

My favorite actor Charles Branson I’ll give you a thumbs up 👍

[@tberkoff]

Almost two hours on the Model 100!! I love it!! You are obsessed! I want this rifle!! The action always fascinated me. Its like a modern version of the Remington Model 8/81. I was always hesitant to buy because of the recall.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Well, now you know how to check the firing pin for the updated part. Nothing standing in my your way now….

[@GregorsOutdoors]

Despite changing the firing pin, my Model 100 burps all rounds down range with one pull of the trigger. Although that in itself is pretty cool, it is beyond scary. Slam firing I do believe it’s called. The guy who sold it to me did so knowing that it would be a problem. It has been relegated to a single shot rifle and I don’t use it because of it. It’s a very nice rifle. Mine is terribly inaccurate as well. Nice work on all the details and research you put into this.

[@MilsurpGarage]

These reports on weird function of this rifle are crazy.....what the hell was WInchester doing?

[@christopherdikovics9503]

I had one that did the same thing ! Sent it ti a gunsmith in Missouri that specialized in pr 64 Winchester guns and they could not cure the issue !

[@neighborscomplaint6859]

I've watched the videos of guys breaking these down to replace the firing pin. They remove the two action screws and thumb the charging handle fully rearward with one finger and pull the barreled action out. I was literally shaking with adrenaline and by biceps aching by the time I got mine apart. The "normal" travel in the action was tight enough to make me sweat but then you have to pull the charging handle past the normal point to remove and reinstall and it was a mother bear. Don't know why mine was so tight compared to the videos I've see, but then again, mine is an unfired NIB is new condition. Mine is a later model with the basket weave/oak-leaf checkering and it is pretty. If you need magazines, Numrich Gun Parts is your Huckleberry. Half the price of the ebay sellers who think anything that is old is rare and valuable.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Not an easy gun to work with and manipulate, that’s for sure. I thought about extra mags but realized that for this type of rifle it was hardly necessary and not worth that high of an expense.

[@joesphkucera6847]

Great ! Video my grandfather left me the 100 and I checked the firing pin and it wasn’t changed . I called the number on winchesters site in regards to recall with serial number they told me it was changed . So after some emails and phone calls to them they said the would honor the recall if I sent pin back to them . I’m waiting on that now . I did notice you may be missing a pin when you took bolt apart there is a small pin on top of my bolt . . Let us know how it went at range . Thanks

[@MilsurpGarage]

I think the pin you were referring to was just in shadow. Nothing seems to be missing. Haven’t been to the range yet but stay tuned, video coming soon.

[@anonymousf454]

Always liked the sleek look of these rifles. Wish they made an aftermarket folding stock like the folding one for the Mini-14, just like the one the A Team used. Or even a wire stock like on the M1 carbine paratrooper. Man that would be a compact little package.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Did a range visit not to long ago and it was functioning flawlessly.

[@anonymousf454]

@@MilsurpGarage Nice

[@BrianF.1969]

I have one of these in 243. It was my dads gun. It has the basket weave checkering and a Redfield 2-7 scope mounted. I wasn't aware of the firing pin recall. I haven't fired this gun in over 25 years. I had no issues back then but will look into the recall.

[@MilsurpGarage]

If you have the newly designed firing pin you are good to go......couldn’t hurt to check it out and swap it if its the older “problem” firing pin. If I remember correctly my video shows a way to see the firing pin without disassembly but it might be tough to see.

[@BrianF.1969]

​@@MilsurpGarageI will look into it, Thanks. It's a really nice rifle and in excellent condition.

[@tberkoff]

What's a good price for a pre-64 vs post-64 in VG condition?

[@MilsurpGarage]

Hard to say. Prices on these are all over the place. Average probably around $1000.

[@user-tg5oc1uh3t]

Rifle is easier to assemble if the stock or your hands weren't slathered with boiled llinseed oil. What did you use to get all of the blo off of your scope glass? You should redo this I one.

[@MilsurpGarage]

An inexhaustible good nature is one of the most precious gifts of heaven, spreading itself like oil over the troubled sea of thought, and keeping the mind smooth and equable in the roughest weather. Washington Irving

[@frankwrogg2515]

I bet the gun shops loved doing the recall on these 😢

[@MilsurpGarage]

Sure.....just about everyone that walks in a gun shop leaves with some kind of purchase as well....at least I do.

[@joeyingle8286]

Anyone have any advice on a model 100 in 243 that won't extract cases? Been chasing this for a while. This was my very first rifle and it was given to me by my Grandpa. Trying to get it in tip to shape to let my son use. Another pro tip, check the trigger guard screws every time you get it out. If they back off and the bolt closes over them it's bad deal. If you thought putting it back together was hard, wait until you have to deal with that.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks for the heads up on the screws. Mine (in 308) has a few hiccups ejecting (I assume you meant EJECTING and not EXTRACTING) cases but I don’t use it much and blamed it on the soft point ammo. When I can get it out to the range again I’ll check it out and do another video if there is anything to report.

[@joeyingle8286]

@@MilsurpGarage I'm actually talking extracting from the chamber. I believe the extractor is broken as it won't even pull an unfired round out of the chamber. Looking around on the internet, it seems that this is a somewhat common issue.

[@MilsurpGarage]

@@joeyingle8286 Check and be sure the problem is not in the bolt head lock up. I’ve read that issues in the series of parts that unlock the bolt, as the bolt handle is retracted, can interfere with turning the bolt head out of its locking slots.

[@cesarc6757]

Did you upgrade the firing pin spring as well or is it the same one? Thanks

[@MilsurpGarage]

Same. Took it to the range in the fall.....it functioned flawlessly. Real powerhouse.

[@cesarc6757]

@@MilsurpGarage awesome thanks!

[@raymondpaskauskas4922]

I empathize with the agony of reassembling the Winchester Model 100. The attempt can truly test one's patience. I had given up on my last attempt a few months ago after disassembling the rifle. I took it to a local gunsmith who admitted it was a tough job for him, even after I provided him with parts drawings and a schematic. When I disassembled it again yesterday, I discovered that the gunsmith had forgotten to replace the small ejector pin in the bolt assembly! Fortunately, I could order online a replacement ejector pin for $2.95 from Nu-Line Guns, Inc. This time I will endeavor to reassemble my Winchester Model 100 on my own!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Now you emphasize, soon you will sympathize.

[@joeyingle8286]

I too have had a pile of gun on my table that was extremely frustrating. I got it back together but I do not look forward to cleaning this rifle. I need to go through my bolt very closely because mine no longer will eject cases. Not sure what the problem is but I'm a little worried on finding the parts to fix it.

[@missano3856]

My aunt's second husband had one of these in .284, I'd like to have that gun.

[@MilsurpGarage]

They are still out there.......

[@miked8227]

My grandfather had one of these in .284 and it wasn’t a very good gun. I could hear when ever he shot at a deer because it often double-fired. Never could figure it out and eventually traded it for a model 742 in 30-06

[@MilsurpGarage]

Some have said these double fire because of recoil bounce and not anything actually wrong with the rifle mechanically.

[@miked8227]

@@MilsurpGarage He fought in WWII and was no stranger around guns being a machinist for General Motors and a mechanic, owning his own Boat marina . The gun would often jam on him also. He tried everything he could with the action, oiled or dry, the gun always had an issue. Someone traded him a model 742 as a partial payment on a used boat he had in the yard. I inherited the gun and gave it to my nephew who is a gun enthusiast also.

[@luisjuliantadeosanchezmart2354]

Se puede utilizar tiros de 308 en rifle 284 wichenter modelo 100 ? Que puede pasar si disparó una vallas de 308 en el rifle 284 👍

[@MilsurpGarage]

No bueno.

[@frankwrogg2515]

Yea there a lot of fun to tear down, I had to do this at the range, I am sure there was steam coming off of me I was so hot.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Definitely not one for the military!

[@donaldantoine1091]

I own own one it is mint condition

[@MilsurpGarage]

Nice....they were hunting rifles so you do see a lot of them in nice shape and well card for.

[@mattheworrick829]

I currently own one with factory bolt in .284 caliber. Passed down from my grandpa. Torn between keeping it or selling it. Don't know what to do. Any suggestions?

[@MilsurpGarage]

What do you think your grandpa would suggest?

[@mattheworrick829]

@@MilsurpGarage well, that is a tough one. Thank God I got to shoot it with him about 4 years ago. He warned me about the recall and everything went fine. However, at this point in my life, I am looking for a more common and economical sporting rifle. I know there is value in this rifle, but I don't know if I want to put the time and energy it deserves.

[@mattheworrick829]

@@MilsurpGarage it's the 22" barrel and moderate condition. 2 magazines with the raised M100 branding. And it has the floral wood stamp. So, post '64?

[@dennispfeifer7788]

You will never find another one your grandfather held in his hands...I bought mine in 1972...never had a problem with it, fast to the shoulder for snap shooting...most rifles are not this fast...it's a diamond, don't sell it. It is a mistake if you sell it, and years later will be sorry.

[@mattheworrick829]

@@dennispfeifer7788 you are right.im not going to sell it. I'm in the process of loading ammo for it now and look forward to using it good advice thanks

[@nvwi9687]

Im looking for a extra magazine for this rifle

[@MilsurpGarage]

You see them around, but they aren’t common. My advice would be to stick to an original Winchester magazine.

[@nvwi9687]

@@MilsurpGarage yes it's a good deer hunting gun I have the 308 model 100

[@1957Shep]

Always thought this was an interesting model, but I`ve never owned one.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Hey! Finally found one you don't have!

[@michaelfregoe5875]

First production year.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Shot it a few weeks ago for only the second time. First time years ago it was failing to eject, stovepiping, failure to feed, you name it. Second time I took it out to iron it out last month. Same exact ammo but it went through 100 rounds perfectly. Right on target. These friggin guns are all so weird.

[@dennispfeifer7788]

I bought mine in 1972 new...still using it...never taken it apart...used it last year...you don't need a scope on it...ruins the fast target acquistion for snap shooting on a narrow lane at a fast moving deer...it shines for this purpose...it's fast to the shoulder...if you want a scoped rifle...get you a bolt gun, they are more accurate...I'd like to maybe try a ghost ring rear sight for extreamly fast target acquistion...faster than the u notch sight...but still it's extreamly fast...and I just use the original sights...sometimes you only have 1-2 seconds to aim and fire...like this deer...you would have only one second at most and chewing up the brush...you cannot do that with a scoped rifle...kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIGyoHSDm5iIbM0

[@MilsurpGarage]

I got it this way....the rifle wants to stay this way, what can I say? I don’t argue with my rifles......handguns maybe, not my rifles. They run the show.

[@dennispfeifer7788]

@@MilsurpGarage Absoutly correct. One of my nephews want's one of my M1 Garands and wants to mount a scope on it, he stated to me...I told him that is a big mistake. He has a Ruger scoped .270 Winchester rifle and a Savage scoped rifle in 7mm Remington mag. I advised this is a battle rifle and the sights are very very good, don't do it. In war you need something that won't break...and again in the woods, with the M1 Garand you can acquire the target quickly too and should be able to him man sized targets at 300-400 yards in the open fields. I did improve one of my Grands by installing a target front sight. Therefore you have two open aperatures. This improves accuracy, due to there is no vision blockages especially at long range. Just center the target inside both aperatures and fire.

[@user-po9hy9th7w]

**REALITY CHECK ... have a 4-digit serial # Winchester model 100 in immaculate condition ... these aren't range guns you go to the range and fire 100s of shots off at targets on the weekend like a modern AR ... these are hunting guns ... a few shots for sight in and 1 or 2 shots to kill your annual deer ... THAT'S IT ... clean & inspect thoroughly ... put back in the safe and repeat next year ... the 100s I have shot have shown "hunting accuracy" ... that's 2-3 MOA ... if you have a model 100 rifle/ammo combo that will shoot sub 2 MOA you have an exceptionally good one

[@MilsurpGarage]

Well said. That is an aspect I may not always address as I do not hunt, they are all 100 rounders to me! Did a range video a few months ago where this one went along. Day was really weird so I never posted the video. Might look it up again to see if I can salvage it somehow. Also shot the FN49 that day I remember. The Winchester Model 100 shot flawlessly and accurately through about 50 rounds.

[@olinshyne978]

😇 my name is olin

[@MilsurpGarage]

Sounds like a Winchester rifle factory documentary......”My Name is Olin”

[@sarahblack107]

No rifle should be this tedious to re-assemble. Personally any firearm you dread having to clean is a firearm not worth having.

[@MilsurpGarage]

I might complain and whine about it but they are like my children, some are easy and never give you trouble…some are always a pain in the ass. Either way, they need you so you step up…family is family.

[@kevinlee9121]

Hi I just paid 700 hundred for a used one fair price anyone ??

[@raymondpaskauskas4922]

I saw a Winchester Model 100 at the Charleston Knife & Gun Show back in November 2022 offered for $800. My late brother had bought his Winchester Model 100 (308) for $425 back in 2014.

[@kevinstengel1803]

That's what I paid 700 that's a decent price now a days

[@MilsurpGarage]

Of course....condition is certainly a factor....

[@aubreyholmes1235]

That's same price I paid.

[@mattmills5145]

WTF IS A .273 Winchester?

[@MilsurpGarage]

Not sure but from your question I’m assuming I said that and there isn’t one! I suppose I combined 243 and 270 into a whole new thing that doesn’t even exist. I’m babbling half the time……maybe more than half. Thanks for tuning in.

[@duanekarlen5463]

This gun poorly made had to recall a ton of them better choice lever action model 88 this gun junk sorry but true ! 🤠

[@MilsurpGarage]

They had a recall and replaced the firing pin with a revised design…..hardly makes it poorly made junk but that’s what happens in situations like that…..due to bad “word of mouth”, a bad reputation can ruin a model regardless of the truth. By the way, the truth is, it’s a very well-made rifle.

[@gwer369]

Just purchased a 1961 model 100 in excellent condition 10/9/2022. I'm going to send you a email.

[@MilsurpGarage]

I’m better late than never I guess.....I could give you an answer but the best thing to do in a case like this is take it to a competent gunsmith that is familiar with this issue because the real check needs to be done visually and mechanically in person and cannot be done remotely.

[@olinshyne978]

😇 my name is olin

[@MilsurpGarage]

Were you named after Mr. Winchester?

[@olinshyne978]

😇 my name is olin

[@MilsurpGarage]

Pleased to meet you Olin.

[@olinshyne978]

Yes sir you are welcome