Winchester Model 190

[@daveallen2455]

I've had this rifle since I was in my youth, ill be 60 this month. My brother had the Ruger 10/22. Both rifles are excellent for plinking, target practice, or hunting. My 190 is probably the most accurate weapon I have ever owned. Still shooting fine after all these years. :-)

[@MilsurpGarage]

Yeah, I was impressed with its accuracy. Thanks for watching.

[@Just1American1966]

This was my first gun, bought off my stepfather when I was eighteen years old, after he'd finally convinced my gun-shy mom to let me learn to shoot. A year or so later, he died, and I let his son have the rifle when he came around asking about it (maybe he'd learned on it, too.) I replaced it with a 10/22, which has served well over the following 38 years. A couple of years back, I came across the first 190 I'd seen since my own, and picked it up for nostalgia reasons. Haven't gotten around to trying it out yet, but I've seen two or three since.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Nice. It will certainly bring back memories for you.

[@robertwilson9999]

I have a 190 from 1980 that has the 4X scope and with the checkering on the stock and forearm. I have taken the bolt out for in depth cleaning and the return spring is very difficult to replace. I had to drill a 1/16 hole into the nylon buffer in order to re insert the return spring back onto the buffer. I held the spring in place with a tiny Allen wrench that fit into the drilled hole. That works really well and so much easier then trying to feed and compress that spring. Makes cleaning so much easier and not so frustrating to put back together.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Nice. Definitely a great .22 for a scope. Thanks for tuning in.

[@1957Shep]

Used to see these for sale all the time, but not much anymore.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Shep! Yes, a lot of these “cheaper” examples are becoming more desirable as prices across the board go through the roof!

[@rustedoakcraftsmanshop3308]

Great video, I learned a bit more than I knew before. The loose forearm bit was especially enlightening. I have a 190 with a wiggly forearm that sometimes doesn’t fire the round. I always assumed it was a cheap ammo problem! I received this rifle out of my grandfathers collection when he was still alive and even before that had borrowed it many times in my youth for squirrel hunting outings with my dad. I’ve had it in my collection for three last 22 years. About 15 years ago I thought the barrel had been shot out because of that horrible groupings. Not willing to give up on it yet I fitted it with a new Burris Rimfire model scope and it was instantly driving tacks. It turned out the Tasco scope Grandpa put on had not surprisingly kicked the pail. Thanks so much for the informative video; subscriber for life!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Nice! Welcome aboard.

[@dannyf100]

My first gun my dad bought me. 1974. I still have it. Was very accurate ! I have no idea how many rounds I 've shot thru it, but many,tens of thousands ! I had to replace the trigger assembly some years back, but for an inexpensive gun it, is very accurate and fun ! Thanks dad !

[@MilsurpGarage]

Makes for a very nice hand me down. Good luck with it.

[@randyplank4049]

Another great video! You are my go-to guy when I want technical information on a firearm. I know that to a collector of OLD Winchester rifles (which I know you are), it is easy to look down on these for their construction. I bought one because it was in great shape and I got a good deal on it. I was not disappointed and enjoy taking it to the range. It has not let me down yet. So much so, that I had to hunt down the lever action and the pump action versions. Now I have all three. If you run across those other versions, I recommend them. By the way, don't be intimidated when it comes to disassembling the action for cleaning. It is very similar to doing a Marlin model 60. Just drop out the trigger group, and take out the bolt and spring. Controlling the spring when you reassemble is a little tricky, but with a little practice, you will see that there is a certain technique to it. I don't seem to have much trouble with it anyway. You are doing a great service to us all with your channel!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks for the kind words. I may attempt a disassembly in the future if and when it gets dirty enough and might record it just in case the footage would make a cool video. I’ve read that removing the butt stock and putting the spring in that way is easier. Appreciate you for tuning in.

[@jims9249]

Always appreciate your in-depth videos. Keep up the great work.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks, will do!

[@johnkauffman6347]

I just bought 1 today from a pawnshop 299.00 with the weaver scope. It is beautiful 1 small scratch by the scope. And it was in need of a good cleaning. So after watching this video I did not break it down. I probably used 25 q tips to get in the breach. Can't wait to get it to the range.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Right on. Q tips leave strands behind. Better to use loose oiled patches manipulated through what you can reach with long bent tweezers and pointy peg wood dowels. Enjoy and let me know how it shoots. Careful, it throws brass harder than any .22 I’ve seen.

[@cmteorso]

Congratulations man... I live in Brazil and I inherited a model 190 from my grandfather. It was imported from the USA in the 70s. It is in perfect condition, no scratches, good wood, perfect barrel. I've been using it since I was 11 years old. I'm 40 now and I'm researching more about her. I also have a 1906 Winchester, from the beginning of the 20th century too, and a Thompson.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Nice. How are the gun laws in Brazil? Are they very restrictive?

[@cmteorso]

@@MilsurpGarage yes, very restrictive! There's no way to talk about weapons without talking about politics. we unfortunately have back a left-wing government that stole the elections with the supreme court. So all the progress we made in recent years with the right-wing government, which wants the population to know how to defend themselves, and helped with making it easier to acquire weapons, was lost. We have here what we call "CAC" (Collector, Shooter and Hunter) CSH in English. anyway, they are making it difficult again. because socialist governments disarm the population to control. so today we are discriminated by the media, actors, university students and all these woke freaks.

[@carmbu]

Great video. I have a 190 from 1974. I don’t do a full disassembly as that recoil spring is a pain. I clean the barrel with this Otis Patriot series kit for .22lr and .17 caliber. Here are the steps I do to clean the action: Cycle the bolt to cock the hammer Put the trigger safety to Safe Remove magazine tube Remove the trigger assembly pin (can be pushed out from either side) Tip the trigger housing down at the rear and move it toward the rear to disengage its forward stud from its recess inside the receiver and remove the trigger group. Get a garbage can, Gun scrubber, CLP, air compressor, and paper towels or old t-shirt for wiping. Blast the bolt and action with Gun Scrubber over the garbage can. Use a gun scrub brush on the areas you can reach. Blast the bolt and action with compressed air till it all dry. Repeat blasting with Gun Scrubber and Compressed air one more time Blast the trigger group with Gun Scrubber followed by compressed air . Repeat if it still looks dirty Blast the bolt, action, and trigger group with CLP. Let it soak for a few minutes and finish it with compressed air.

[@MilsurpGarage]

That works just about as good unless you have a real gunked up gun.....some are downright scary to disassemble.

[@joeanderson6797]

I just got the ted williams model 3T, i have that very slight looseness your talking about. Thanks to your video, i was able to fix that!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Love to hear that.....glad I could help. Enjoy that rifle and thanks for tuning in!

[@dangitgrossman]

I had to comment when I got to the “ejection” part ! Imagine if you will, it’s 1985 and I’m a left handed (rifle) shooter, 7yrs old and out in the desert with my Dad shooting Coors cans…..my cheek on the right side of my face would get peppered so bad I would put a beanie on and pull it down to my neck so that it didn’t hurt so bad ! I’ve told that story so many times while plinking with my friends, great memories ! I’m 46 and still plink to this day with that rifle !

[@MilsurpGarage]

Most powerful .22 case ejector ever made.

[@davidcoudriet8439]

I have one and it shoots well. I had no idea what an excellent design it is. Thanks for an in depth vid.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@cherylshaw8249]

Hi, I just bought this gun. Haven't shot it yet but already love it. Thanks for this video, it certainly helped me understand the little quirks this gun has.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Good luck with it. Thanks for tuning in.

[@carmbu]

I have a 190 from 1974 that was stored and never fired until I got my hands on it this year. Put on a picatinny rail and red dot on it. Shot 150 rounds of Federal Automatch bulk ammo last week on it and it ran that ammo perfectly and accurately.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Pretty cool to get one now that was brand new. Nice. Thanks for tuning in!

[@scottmorgan1016]

Mine just started light strikes, will check barrel nut. When I take it completely down I take the stock off to help in recoil spring install. Seems like alot to do but it's far easier than compressing spring back in reciever.

[@MilsurpGarage]

My video came right on time! Glad to help.

[@bb5242]

This might be the first rifle I ever fired, probably around age 7 or so. My dad had it, still has it (he's 83). I went on to quite a career in smallbore competitive shooting, then later in life highpower, and lately trap and sporting clays.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Wow, it’s easy to forget how pivotable a seemingly historically insignificant .22 model can be.....this particular .22 has steadily worked it’s way from throw away gun store dust gatherer into the timeline of “first rifle I ever fired” for many a veteran shooter.

[@Jacob-Isaiah]

Got one passed down to me from my great grandad, everything’s still stock and runs like it would new

[@MilsurpGarage]

Sounds like a fine example.

[@Tyler-xr5po]

Another great video, I enjoy the in depth longer videos

[@MilsurpGarage]

Glad you like them! Thanks for tuning in.

[@mqa1963]

This one is very easy to take apart.. if you are worried about the recoil spring there's nothing to it getting it out and back in. you just take the stock off and the spring will come right out.. love your vids ..

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks for the info.

[@6gatornation]

I took one of these apart a couple days ago for the first time removing the stock first is the way to go I followed a gun Smith video from 12 years ago everything was easy but one thing had me puzzled after reading some comments I removed the rear sight And turn the castle nut One more full turn to tighten up the forearm this will be my grandson's first gun it was nice to learn a little history on it

[@neilboylan2025]

Once described to me as the Volkswagen of .22's sold by Winchester and Sears.. Mine was trusted and true.. Of course the bear of it was cleaning it my work around ( for better or worse ) was after removing trigger assembly and recoil spring n cleaning to remove the stock. Assemble it ,now recoil spring hangs out of receiver , now compress spring hold flush with say a butter knife and re install stock crank down on the 1/2 ins nut slide out knife...

[@MilsurpGarage]

When you need to raid the kitchen for tools to reassemble a firearm, it is officially a problem firearm!

[@hopewilliams6705]

Im trying to figure out why mine when you load a round you can't rack the bolt again until you drop the hammer. Like when it's cocked the bolt will only come back a little but not much at all drop the hammer then the bolt will cycle again. Trigger is hella hard and no bolt hold open. Any ideas????

[@MilsurpGarage]

I would love to offer a quick fix but this one sounds like a trained hand is the best bet......find a local gunsmith that you trust and show him what's going on....he should be honest about if he can help or not.

[@richardfrost7575]

Good video. I acquired one for a friend of mine. It was a Ted Williams model, except for the Ted Williams markings and a scope marked with ted Williams and the 190 designation, same rifle with factory scope. I can't remember the power of the scope, however; it is just as accurate with the federal bulk box 550 count ammunition. My friend only lives about 1 mile from me, I will check on the power of the scope next time I see him. ❤

[@MilsurpGarage]

That sounds like an interesting scope marked specifically for the rifle. This is a perfect candidate for a small scope.

[@richardfrost7575]

@@MilsurpGarage I have to check with my friend, been a few years ago. I don't think it was anything really special, just using a famous sportsm name to help encourage sales to young shooters.I think it is a Tasco scope . He I getting hip replacement in a few days I will ask to take some pictures when he is feeling well. Can't remember which Club member I got it from but it was a complete package when he got it for his son back in the day.

[@KriegZombie]

I am rebuilding one. Thanks for the intel, especially about the trigger.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Glad to help! Thanks for tuning in. Love when my material is helpful, makes it all worth it with a comment like this.

[@faroutgolf3650]

Milsurp Garage. If you do decide to use shorts, don't use the CCI 710fps. They have shorts with 1100fps they are nothing to sneeze at!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Are those the “golden bullet” ones? I have a few boxes of those.

[@hopewilliams6705]

I purchased this rifle from a friend well a Ted Williams 15 years ago for $40 bucks and I have not shot it very much because the trigger feels like its a 42lb pull. I just pulled it down working to figure out what tolerance change has made the trigger get so bad! And found this video.

[@MilsurpGarage]

I would love to offer a quick fix but this one sounds like a trained hand is the best bet......find a local gunsmith that you trust and show him what's going on....he should be honest about if he can help or not.

[@hopewilliams6705]

@@MilsurpGarage I appreciate it but I figured it out the sear/ disconnecter part of the trigger housing that is captured in the circle of the trigger housing broke off and was lifting to high! Subsequently changed the geometry in which the trigger pushed on the sear . Im actually quite talented for a self taught individual.

[@BZE_Fishin]

It is a two stage trigger…I own one as well. I’m 60 and have had mine since I was 8-ish yrs old. Mine is an incredible work-machine…in fact, I didn’t even do a deep clean on the thing until I was in my forties…the bolt was beginning to stick. My deal is that I’m trying to figure out how to reduce the break pressure. Finally, I get a special “kick” every time I see someone going poo-poo on the gun…completely undeserved!!!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Yeah, this one was a surprise…..and I went into it knowing nothing about it. Great experience.

[@scottmclaughlin1017]

Don’t bother shooting 22-Shorts! The result: Residue remains in the barrel that will cause a 22 Long-Rifle to jam in the barrel. I have owned and used the Winchester Model 290 for over 45 years (since the age of 14 in 1978), regularly shooting 500 rounds a weekend as a kid. I really appreciate the 17-round magazine tube. Only problem: The barrel nut has loosened twice in it’s 45 year history (quick-fix: remove the rear sight and cover to access and carefully tighten with precise hits with a large screwdriver and mallet). The action does require infrequent lubrication. As a kid, I cleaned it regularly, without disassembly. My first FULL disassembly and cleaning was done this week. This Winchester Model 290 has been my most reliable and accurate gun, and it came with the weaver scope. This is a perfect first gun, and introduction gun, and a forever keeper.

[@MilsurpGarage]

True about the shorts but I never make it a habit to shoot hundreds of them exclusively and I clean guns thoroughly after every outing.....I mix it up constantly as far as cartridge size and also use CCI shorts or CB’s which are super clean. True though that it can cause issues if you regularly use them for an extended period without cleaning then go to Long Rifle. Those barrel nuts do loosen....no big deal, they don’t break. Just get loose, tighten it, you’re good. Was the disassembly/reassembly as difficult as I’ve heard? If so or if not, why?

[@jonleone777]

Where can i find the spanner wrench that will fit. I prdver to use the correct tools.

[@MilsurpGarage]

That will be a tough one.

[@Gastly_Ghost]

I inherited one a few years ago just had it out and noticed the knob on the cocking handle spins is that normal?

[@MilsurpGarage]

Yes, always found that a little weird myself......it does freely turn.

[@steveplunkett2570]

Absolutely superb coverage.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@TheNextGreatApe]

It's odd that it lists Winchester as dropping the 22 Short capability. I received a Ted Williams model 3T (the rebranded Sears version of the 190) in 1977 as my first gun when I was 12 and it is marked for shorts, longs and long rifles. Strange that the rebrands would be marked for shorts but the Winchester marked gun were not.

[@MilsurpGarage]

If it was having trouble cycling them they would only care about the ones with the WInchester name on them I suppose.

[@davidjared3695]

Hola ! Cuál es su precio de esa arma en Estados Unidos? Espero me responda pronto gracias!

[@MilsurpGarage]

It depends on a lot of things. Condition, availability, demand…..check GunBroker to see what they are selling for. I don’t talk price since it can change so much very fast. Thanks for tuning in.

[@jameskelly8786]

This is getting so weird now, I'll be in a local store contemplating a purchase . Then I see you doing a Review on it . I just saw a Sears model 37 which I believe is a direct Copy of Winchester 190

[@MilsurpGarage]

The Sears version of the Winchester Model 190 was a Ted Williams Model 3T with a Sears part number of 273.2400. I looked up the Sears model 37 and it looks similar, not really sure what that one is. The ejection port and bolt looked different. The answer demands a purchase, some research, and a KZbin video with your findings! Get at it!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Actually, I was looking at a Model 34.....definitely not the same. I think you might have misread the barrel markings as 37 when it was actually 3T.

[@jameskelly8786]

@@MilsurpGarage I just found a old Winchester 290 that used to be a lever action. It's missing but the barrel and wood is good

[@MilsurpGarage]

I'm convinced what you saw was a Ted Williams Model 34.....just bought one. It is commonly thought to be a Winchester Model 190 clone because they look similar but it was really manufactured exclusively for Sears by High Standard and is a totally different design with a really interesting patent. Stay tuned, I'll do a video on it soon.

[@mikeofmanymikes2630]

They had na early version of the 190 that was made by sears and it had short stamped on the barrel. I think they had issues loading the shorts so they took it off the barrel. The 190 will shoot shorts but not very reliable.

[@MilsurpGarage]

Correct, I touched on this. The early Winchester examples had S/L/LR on the barrel.

[@angelisone]

Milsurp Garage or anyone knows where I can buy a bi-pod for Model 190?

[@MilsurpGarage]

That sounds like an eBay search that you put in to wait till one becomes available.

[@kenclontz3211]

How do I get the isometric view for this gun?

[@MilsurpGarage]

I looked online......not much there. Try Numrich.

[@Brake_MagnetoMan175]

Just picked up a Ted Williams 3T for a decent price and it definitely showed the flaws of the 190. Barrel nut had loosened on it, action was filthy from years of shooting, and disassembly and assembly was a PITA for sure. Still a neat little rifle, but I can see why the 10/22 and Model 60 overshadowed these a lot.

[@MilsurpGarage]

There’s a seat painted red in Fenway park which was struck by the ball when Ted Williams hit a 502 foot home run.

[@MDformernavalperson]

The receiver does not appear to be steel. Is it aluminum, or some other alloy?

[@MilsurpGarage]

It is aluminum alloy…..very strong actually.

[@kevingentlemanhillbillymoo221]

Great video Milsurp! I have one of these rifles and mine is marked S, L, LR and cycles shorts just fine. They are a pain in the arse to clean but they are accurate. Keep up the good work!

[@MilsurpGarage]

Thanks for tuning in.

[@JeanJaquesMath]

Very interesting video, it would be nice if you spoke louder, though.

[@MilsurpGarage]

The audio level is the hardest thing to nail down on these videos. Gave me a new appreciation for the “sound guy“. Appreciate you pointing it out. Made me realize if it’s a little too loud they could always turn it down but if it’s not loud enough, it’s not loud enough.

[@kenclontz3211]

I have a 189

[@larrymor]

Great squirrel gun.