Windows 11 in 2025 Year of the PC E-waste disaster 250 million PCS in land fills

[@RudysRetroIntel]

Everyone talks about helping the climate, but no one is talking about this issue. Thanks for sharing

[@andym.6141]

I can see the E.U. taking Microsoft to court over this ridiculous situation 😡

[@Jayteaseepiirturi]

I'm kinda surprised they haven't picked up on this yet.

[@Blackcountrysteam]

So should other governments

[@demiankeaough4616]

Everyone should ship their old computers to Microsoft and let them deal with it.

[@D.von.N]

That would be fab!

[@leverlock123]

Surely Bill (the saviour of the human race!) would have thought of this?..... oh wait..........

[@aro4491]

The general principle should be that the polluter pays. Microsoft should pay a fee for each Win10 device sent to landfill. That would probably bankrupt them.

[@D.von.N]

The polluter never pays the final price. Customers always do.

[@SledgeFox]

Every PC in Bills garden...

[@TomokoAbe_]

The computer industry is in kahooz with Windows OS -- a marriage made in hell. The environment is irrelevant to their greed.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

And yet the same government tells us that certain plastics can be recycled, even though most of them can't and are thrown away regardless if we recycle or not.

[@tombarclay7108]

It's past time for Microsoft to have some serious competition. The problem with operating systems like Linux is they're not typically plug and play, and require a geeky mindset.

[@D.von.N]

Mint is actually ready out of the box, in like 15 minutes. Windows can take hours to update, depending on the hardware. Linux takes minutes.

[@joeisitt1904]

The latest linuxmint 22 is very windows like, I've just moved to it and I find it easier than windows and I defo not a geek😊

[@xgui4-studios]

the year of the linux desktop

[@jennymontague851]

Totally agree. Thanks for bringing this up.

[@GM_766]

It's unconscionable for MS to force tens (or hundreds) of millions of computer owners to replace perfectly good hardware just to get security for their OS. My computers are plenty fast and have plenty of RAM and storage to meet my needs for years to come if I don't have a hardware failure.

[@tenlittleindians]

We are all sick of unwanted Windows updates that break our computers. My current computer's Outlook email quit working after an update. I had to install outlook again to get it to work but that install is a timed version that crippled itself after a trial period. Microsoft wants me to pay money for Outlook when I already paid for it years ago buying my computer with Windows on it! Screw Microsoft!

[@SledgeFox]

Thunderbird, you'll never look back.

[@josephdegarmo]

It's a shame that we may see e-waste landfills in open land spaces near cities like Dallas, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, and San Diego, creating a hazardous air quality situation for such populated areas. I would try to round up those old machines myself, install Linux Mint, Kubuntu, and Zorin OS on them, and resell them as Linux machines.

[@candicebowles2567]

I really like that you would make a way for low income people to be able to get a computer. As a low income person, that understands their struggles..... I thank you for doing this.

[@herbertyoung540]

Thank you for your insight and wisdom on this issue ...

it is a disaster, and I agree with you in all your points...

[@SledgeFox]

👍

[@D.von.N]

None of mine, Linux is taking over!

[@SuperFlashDriver]

There's a good reason I tell my parents NOT to throw out the computers, because you can easily use them for other purposes. The 2005 movie "Robots" inspired me to think about using whatever you have leftover to create something new out of old parts and items no longer used in society. As for computers, if my laptop ever dies, I'm not giving it away, I'm holding onto it until the day I lose it and then it gets thrown out by someone else. For me, the types of motherboards, CPUs, GPUs, hard drives, solid state drives, etc. can be repurposed for other uses outside of electronics. So even IF, Windows/Microsoft ever does this, I wouldn't be surprised if I move over to Linux instead of Windows 11.

Win 10 will still have market share in 2029.

[@cjjones2981]

My PC's will be included in that

[@jimmyhails]

Great way to experiment Linux on those e waste machines, getting it for dirt cheap.

[@BilalHeuser1]

Microsoft should forced to a 50% e-waste tax for each new PC sold with Windows 11.

[@michaelfaklis8169]

I have understood the problem of recycling old computers for decades. They are shipped to poor countries where disadvantaged people try to extract rare metals, while polluting the environment and their own bodies. I've resurrected numerous personal computers abandoned by friends and those abandoned anonymously on the street. I would give these away for free to those who couldn't afford to purchase a computer. If the computer hada licensed OS, I would reinstall a fresh copy. For the others, I would install a version of LINUX, with a GUI resembling Windows or MacOS. I even offered to teach them how to use the computer. Unfortunately few were given a new home because people demanded the newest version of Windows or MacOS for free, and I was unwilling to install pirated software.. I now have filled my apartment with working machines I can't give away. I can't make myself to "recycle" them while knowing their harm to the environment. Some of the towers make decent bookcases, but I prefer natural wood. I wish I had a solution. What I can do is to condemn companies like Apple whose computers cannot be upgraded. They can't even be serviced after a mere three years of service.

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

MS and all the big PC manufacturers should be fined $millions each for helping tackle the e-waste as they are the causes of all the e-waste. I have been recycling PC's and old Laptops and Tablet / mobile devices for past 15 - 20 years. Some of the metals like lithium and cadmium are very toxic to the earth long term. It is good to see someone covering all this e-waste, very good vlog, thank you.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Forget millions, let's fine them trillions and trillions of dollars, the same amount as the USDebtClock for nearly 50 trillion dollars, and see if the companies have enough money to spend 50 trillion dollars towards the people for their misuse if their consumer base.

[@rml695]

I have a Steam Deck and am replacing it with an ROG ally x for visual accessibility reasons. My Steam Deck will be going to a friend of mine. I hold onto my devices as long as I possibly can. For instance I’ve had an old iMac for 10 years that now runs Linux, and I do recycle whenever I can. Our area has a yearly tech recycling event near our university and we always take advantage of that. The only time I will replace a system, unless there is a hardware accessibility feature I could really make use of (e.g. a bigger screen and USB C on a new iPhone to help work travel be a little easier), the only time I’ll replace is when the system really struggles. We kept a 486 from DOS All the way through Windows 95, then recycled it.

[@rumi9005]

The problem is even worse for smartphones. Apple iphones last a bit longer than Android. But updates to operating systems on BOTH platforms make ALL smartphones pretty much unusable after only a few years. The way apps are handled on BOTH platforms make it virtually impossible to use a smartphone older than 3 or 4 years. Because the app stores for both platforms generally don't allow you to purchase an older version of an app. And the newer versions don't work on the older phone. It's a model that forces people to throw away older (but perfectly serviceable) phones. And it's a tragedy.

[@ocean374]

That’s sad I been recycling my computers for years till they no longer work anymore I have a laptop that’s using Linux. Now I’m building a computer and it’s going to run ubuntu studio using all new hardware still keeping the laptop it works great 👍 just need something with more power thanks for sharing

[@cfldriven]

While I think we should all be talking and doing something about e-waste, I not sure MS is the bully here. I have an HP from 2010 and Dell Lattitude from 2014, they both are near the end of their usefulness. The HP is now strictly an offline legacy encoder, with the Dell allows for monitoring security cameras and web browsing. The real culprit is the consumer who has to own the latest device, despite the older one working just fine. I still use my 2013 Samsung 4S mini smartphone as an audio player in the garage, almost all these phones are in a dump somewhere. While companies need to make their products easier to repair and recycle, the consumer needs to stop impulse every new model that comes out.

[@D.von.N]

Nobody else commented here yet? So let me add: recycling is largely as bad, if not worse, as throwing it to the landfill. There is a documentary on youtube, about 45 min long, about how bad this 'recycling' of e-waste is. What does this re-cycling look like, actually? Whole machines, or their components after taking them apart, are sent in bulks to the developing world. That documentary was in some poor African country. What they can sell as a working machine, they will, using Linux then on. Components like wires are burned on a pile, releasing super toxic fumes that poison entire communities and environment, for a few kg of copper or other metals. Minimum PPE, if any. Children are stillborn or born with deformities, adults have a short lifespan and cancers along othe health issues. And those people are still vey poor that only a few can afford the computer from a dumpster. At most the'll have mobile phones instead. Smaller, cheaper and more practicable.

[@meganoobbg3387]

Bold of Microsoft to assume i will dump my trusty PC instead of dumping Windows 11 thousand spywares :D

[@mahkhardy8588]

At least our dystopia is only slightly less brutal than the ones we write stories about.

[@davidsradioroom9678]

What a horrible waste!

[@ODSD.77]

You're spot on. I don't know anything about Linux and what I've seen about its use doesn't seem very user-friendly.

[@SirWolf2018]

Actually, you might find it more user friendly than Windows. And that is because Windows has grown to become an abomination of complexity, useless features, and a lot of things. Linux however, has only been getting better in the user friendliness department. It has its flaws though, and you will find yourself needing to look up information about things that don't work out of the box, but I'm pretty sure Windows is more complex nowadays than Linux. Try Linux Mint for example. It's a good start for a conservative Windows-like environment.

[@D.von.N]

Try Mint Cinnamon. And don't confuse 'familiar' with 'friendly'. Many going from Win10 to Win11 had to learn new ways, too. My security updates issue on Win10 this year was very user unfriendly and I had to extend a recovery partition, a very risky procedure no standard user like me should need doing. Later on I had to manually clear updates cache, or I couldn't install further Win10 updates... AI was a great help with that. Now running Linux with Win11 in a virtual machine like if I got a degree in computing, which I don't have. Heading towards 50, female, no computing background. You can do it too.

[@HOBBS-4]

You couldn't be more wrong.

[@BillyLapTop]

I have used linux for years now and also MS Windows. I have new equipment that came with Windows 11 as well. As for my Windows 10 machines that don't meet the 11 criteria, I'll put linux on them when the update support ends. My servers are unaffected by this change as they are also linux based.

[@stevenkinlin8271]

Hi. Great channel. I have a question? Were there any Patch Tuesday Updates, for, december. 2024. For Windows 11 24H2? I didn't get any.

[@WCT]

Yes on December 10th, you should have KB5048667 installed in your update History

[@frayedsanity]

Linux needs to be massively adopted.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Believe it or not, that's what I'll be going for in terms of personal use. Windows 11 to me will only be used for work and gaming purposes, nothing else. For all of my personal uses, Linux would be the way to go for me.

[@HHH22229]

In my opinion, the worst feature of Apple Computers is their inability to upgrade using non-propriety hardware. Want a new Nvidia RTX4080, nope. Want an AMD RX7800XT, nope. Want to add a new NVME drive... the same issue. I like Mac OS and wish I could install it on my Windows machine.

[@PaxAlotin]

*The situation is bad. The governments of the world should put pressure on Microsoft & Apple etc* At minimum - they should fine these companies for forcing consumers into buying new equipment & devices. At the same time - governments could incentivize companies into providing information regarding the use of Linux. That 'Carrot & Stick' approach will mean a reduction in the amount of e-Waste as well helping consumers by offering choice.

[@jameskilgour4227]

you have the right idea i have a few old computer that still to old if fix right i can use some parts to build other item. take care

[@tonymerasty]

'windows is committed to more ..." makes me laugh ,let the misery begin-thanks microsoft

[@tomschmidt381]

None of our current PCs and laptops meet the Win 11 hardware requirements and even if they did I have no desire to use Win 11 with even more telemetry and mandated cloud based stuff. I plan to use 0Patch next year to see how it works. I even have an ancient desktop origionally running XP but now functions as a dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu O/S.

[@valiceman8015]

People, don't throw away good PCs. Just install Linux and keep them.

[@D.von.N]

I did. Revived my ex Vista laptop, cleaned the dust inside, repasted, replaced a broken hinge, added 1GB RAM to the existing 2GB (it actually had physical 4GB, but the BIOS only recognises 3), now running smoothly and silently on Wilma. And it has a dvd ROM! No need to buy an external dvd drive, lacking in modern machines.

[@tonymerasty]

Ms had no thought or consideration of the potential repercussions/consequences-made plans to make money and thats all that was prioritized shame on Microsoft and those other industry offenders

[@Ejsa-o8o]

Time to take a different path. I only use my computer for fun, and fun isn’t tied to a machine, hehe.

[@mf4071]

There are so many reasons to boycott Microsoft entirely and use Linux, this is one of the many reasons. The most technically challenging part of installing Linux is creating and booting a live installer from a USB stick, which is also the first step to installing Windows 11. If a person has never installed an OS themselves and doesn't feel comfortable doing so, it would take all of 15 minutes to setup Kubuntu or something similar with some help from a friend or a relative. There are zero reasons for people to still be running Windows in recent years, I don't understand how they still have hundreds of millions of users and a monopoly, it makes no sense to me but it's one of the reasons that I had to give up on an IT career.

[@chrisgarrett601]

I have older HP Desktops from 2013, and I also have a couple of older Windows 98 and XP Computers. I am never going to make them e-waste. I might pay MS the $30.00 to keep Windows 10 on them.

[@wallyg4445]

Won't be seeing any of my stuff in E-Waste, AND i'll be running windows 11, there's always workarounds.

[@michaelwiley5427]

Come 1 Nov 2025 things will miraculously still work.

[@EldaLuna]

what i don't get is.. i thought we are suppose to be good to the environment.. (sure most cases its just money grab or government something) but think they would get on the case of ms for this to show they are at least "trying" to help the e-waste issue, this just looks bad and the picture shown there makes me cry.

[@robcarley7506]

Wish i could get my hands on a load of them, would get windows 11 up and running on as many as i could and see who wants them.

[@Chill671e-u2t]

I feel its time for people to stop supporting these companies they dont care about the consumers. This is insane. You should be able to use your computer until it stop working. Plus the way the economy is going with the raising prices is in insane smh. We will have to see how this will play out its going to be alot of angry people if this happens.

[@brandonwombacher1615]

I would take some of those PCs and replace the Motherboards and CPUs with newer ones for a couple hundred bucks. That's what I did to my desktop computer. I could see some people going to the landfill for free PC parts.

[@JohnSmith-ph9co]

You can use your old PC to learn Linux and that's about it or a Retro Gaming machine, Microsoft should make a Legacy stripped down Windows 11. We can dream!

[@Omarsalahal-din]

This is the dark side of capitalism and Microsoft working together with Pc manufacturer for more $

[@MadIIMike]

I'm from germany and I fix on thrown away PCs as a hobby, then sell them more or less at cost. As much as I despise Microsoft for various reasons, ultimatively the population is to blame IMO. Weither it's americans, germans, brits or whatever, every country is doing it's best to turn it's population into professional consumers. Fast Fashion? Lots of clothing from Shein, Amazon and Temu is so fast it gets shipped around the globe to get the cheapest possible production costs, then shipped to the customer, then send back to be destroyed, as the logistics for checking/washing would cost more than the "efficient" production. Cars? People got brainwashed to the point they think 3Ton EVs would save the planet, with graphs so biased even a gradeschooler should be able to call BS on them. All kinds of electronic devices have gone from decades of lifetime to "just past the warranty, maybe". But who cares, the new models look cooler anyway. To be clear: I don't blame people for not being PC "Experts". But Microsoft and others will always take advantage of uneducated consumerism and the more it works, the worse it'll get. I could be happy whenever I save a good device from getting scrapped, but it's getting to the point where it's just insane. A while ago, I even fished a working HP Pavillion with a Ryzen 5 5600G and a 1TB NVME drive out of the e-waste bin, about a week before I found a working 1060 6GB. As far as phones go, I'm completely puzzled how normal people with normal jobs can go for the latest iPhone, Galaxy etc. I wouldn't even feel comfortable carrying around a fragile device worth hundreds all the time.

[@dbdejonge2081]

The less electric cars, data or electric cables they could build 😅

[@luxxulyanite]

they can all be used for extracting raw material. lot of precious metals in them.

[@MontyVideo969]

Just an idea. Why don't you suggest how people can get around the minimum requirements for Windows 11?? It shouldn't be up to a manufacturer to restrict the options for customers. It's like a car insurance company saying - we won't insure you unless your car is less than three years old.

[@DragonelfGaming]

Why e-waste? Recycle stores for the vintage hobbyist. I was planning to use old pc's for old os like Windows Xp for playing old games. It is concerning though.

[@DavoidJohnson]

I still have my old PC's working and use them for backup.

[@Vel_178]

And what will these pc's will be replaced with. Soldered ram and soldered storage low budget laptops, current economy people are broke. That's gonna create more when such junkbooks starting to fail. New laptops aren't build to last.

[@smada36]

I really can't see the reason why Windows 11 can not run on 6th and 7th Gen Intel. They have TPM 2.0, they have Secure Boot, they have SSE4.2. Allowing them to be on the supported list would make a huge dent in the e-waste problem. Unless this is still a Spectre and Meltdown issue, but I don't think that it is Microsoft's place to take away the users choice to accept the risk.

[@BarbaraPape-y4g]

No problem at all for me, i am still using Windows 7 and it continues to work very well without any updates. For onlone banking i wouldn't trust any Windows based PC, for that i use Linux. Sadly MS have been allowed to dominate the entire world of PC's and few users have the knowledge to change to Linux which should be a crime.

[@zetectic7968]

This is not a new problem or particular to Microsoft. In general electronics have always been disposable except for radios that work the same as 50 or 70 years ago. The big problem here is people who bought laptops that never or rarely leave home. Add to that those that could upgrade just the motherboard, CPU & RAM but will dump the whole PC & buy a new one. As mentioned towards the end of the video this whole " upgrade -itis" is prevalent with mobile/cell phones with 2 or 3 year plans stating you can still upgrade your phone after 1 year. Then there is the situation with smart TV's: people want a bigger & bigger screen & in the UK within the next 5 years they are turning off the aerial signal, so no internet connection on the TV then no TV. So much e-waste ends up shipped to Asia to be "recycled" by toxic methods that pollute the environment.

[@alexbalex7299]

So here’s a couple of things and I’m sure I’ve said this before. There are a couple of ways we can solve this problem. We have a new incoming administration that wants to do budget cuts to government spending waste spending. One of the things they could do, is require Microsoft to get rid of the system requirements to allow windows 11 to work on these 200,000,000+ PCs. Yes I know some of the machine machines that may not work cause they’re just too old. I get that. But for the millions of machines that do work, this executive order or acting in Congress could say hey look, government employees can use these laptops And they’re not gonna necessarily use them for their personal computers, but they will get the job done that the government would require. So you are hereby banned from system requirements that lock our workers out. We want to cut spending so why not combine cutting spending with telling Microsoft that for government, computers and other computers, that we Require them to do away with some of these requirements. Congress could say hey look he waste, not good. So we’re not gonna appropriate money for our employees to keep getting new computers so here why Microsoft you are here by prohibited from putting in all these requirements. Also, the European Union could step in. After all, they stepped in and said hey USB-C on smart phones. And other things so why not with waste the same thing put some regulation in there. This is a good opportunity for everybody to get something what they want. Microsoft get more windows 11 users, And the government can get these computers to use so that their employees can keep working and then they don’t have to buy the remaining million machines they can hold onto that money for a little while longer a couple more years and do that. Everyone will get what they want here. Also, when you talk about computers that you’ve put together and change parts out of what and sold them for low income people as a blind user, I don’t have a job right now and it’s hard for blind people to get jobs. There is a place called computers for the blind in the Dallas Metropolitan area. A lot of those computers are windows, professional computers, and their business laptops. I don’t know where they come from maybe from some government agencies maybe from other businesses they donate their laptops and the laptops get looked over and the laptops get built for what a blind person would need in those laptops. So,, a lot of those computer computers that they have sold, where Windows 10 based computers, and they couldn’t guarantee, that they would work with Windows 11 if you paid a little bit more, you could get a machine that is guaranteed to run Windows 11. I’m surprised that computers for the blind would still sell windows 10 computers that may not be able to run win 11. Also, they don’t talk about the system requirements and how to get around them. They assume that most of the blind people that they serve, don’t know how to use a computer. But I do know how to use a computer so I would urge them to put a document talking about how to use Rufus or some ways of bypassing the system requirements so that these blind people can use their computers much longer. those computers can be anywhere from $200-$300 and they’re good computers. Like for example, a laptop elite book. That’s the kind of machines they give or Dell latitudes. They don’t give you no Inspiron the machines are actually pretty good. They’re sturdy, and their business laptops. so why not, put an article on computers for the blind website on how to bypass the requirements put a link to the Rufus program and instructions for how to do it. But no, they can’t do that. Because a lot of their clientele probably wouldn’t be able to manage that. I’ve done it. And I’ve had no issues with it. That’s why I’m gonna be able to use my machines longer. anyway, that’s my comment on this.

[@davinp]

You could install Linux or Chrome OS on old PCs that don't support Windows 11, but not everyone will want to use another OS they are not familiar with. There are many PCs that have older then 8th generation Intel chips that still work well on Windows 10. If someone bought a new PC in 2020 or 2021, then they don't need to buy a new PC

[@Vel_178]

Average joe using their laptop for browsing and office. Chrome Os Flex or Linux Mint isnt a bad option for them. I take partial blame for waste on us power users always wanting the latest stuff.

[@guyw6284]

Great opportunity for the Linux operating system!

[@UrbanoDagrippino]

I'm not throwing away my PC or laptop still working

[@WeatherMan2005]

ah yes killing cheap pcs for those in need. i know some people that probably cant afford a new pc

[@nigec4969]

That is Windows 11 legacy. Simple answer switch to Linux. My favourite is Linux Mint Cinnamon 22. It covers all my needs with long term support. I do not play games on my PC. I play on my Switch Console. My grandkids on Xbox and PlayStation. All my old kit including a 2009 Macbook Pro runs Linux. My Raspberry Pi's also on my home automation and IOT.

[@asifshamsi5630]

How is the idea of using Windows 11 on unsupported machine? I have 1 Core i5. 4th gen &1i5 Rd gen. What do you think?

[@desertfish74]

Install Linux and Steam (with Proton), and many of them can continue being used just fine even for games. But not many people are aware of that yeah 😢

[@juancarlosrodriguez5022]

If you value the enviroment, Switch to Linux and avoid e-waste. Protect nature and the planet.

[@1pcfred]

Computers made in the past 10 years are hardware compatible with Windows 11. If you're running a PC older than that you're due to upgrade anyways.

[@meganoobbg3387]

Not 10 - 8th gen was in 2017, so it's only been 7 years. Clearly this is just a racket to swindle money off from frugal PC users. Those who don't need for any reason to upgrade, or bought an expensive old gen PC for cheap gaming.

[@sigmarshammer2771]

Iam a pc gamer but keep all my old motherboards and only upgrade when I afford it I have gave my friend old graphics cards and cpu to.make media oc

[@peterfrank1105]

Wie schaut es denn mit dem sogenanntem Recyclen aus?........... oder ist das nur ein politisches Kampfwort?

[@johnmiller0000]

They will still be perfectly good PCs with a different OS installed. Think about all the electronic items you had say 20 years ago. How many do you still have? CRT TV, VHS recorder, DVD player etc etc.

[@meganoobbg3387]

...all of them ofcourse. The overpriced chinese junk we bought to replace them, broke before we dumped them :D

[@skp8431]

looks like ms doesnt care about enviroment does show how greedy ms really is.

[@JoshuaTrenge]

I don’t think W11 will have a huge impact on e-waste… proof is the low W11 market share. People just refuse to move to W11… and certainly will not buy a new PC just to have W11. E-waste is a huge problem… but I don’t think W11 is much of a factor. The unending march of technology is the reason… and MS really can’t be blamed for this. The bottom line, people want software that has more and faster features… which need more RAM and faster processors. Criminals keep getting smarter which requires better countermeasures… like TPM 2.0. Government should require all manufacturers to be responsible for recycling their products. If manufacturers would bear the cost of recycling, you would see manufacturing techniques aimed at reducing e-waste and the cost of recycling. PCs should / could be easily upgradeable and last a minimum of 20 years before needing a full replacement. It could / would be done if the cost of recycling was on the backs of manufacturers. I’d bet any roadblocks against such regulations would be the consumer… mostly. We just love to have the latest and greatest.. whether we need it or not. This is the reality MS and other manufacturers life in… and the reason they do what they do. We live in a throw away culture, not because of Microsoft, in fact, Microsoft exists as they are because of the culture they must service.

[@anthonywalker6268]

Me recording on 16gb flash drive.

[@jadhal6649]

Can we Donate to other nation people who need .

[@geoman1420]

All these are perfectly functional PCs if you uninstall Windows and install Linux. It is a good opportunity for people to get a free PC!!!

[@tonymerasty]

a lot of pc's could run chrome o.s flex-make your own chromebox did it with my xeon e5 2690v3 wrx580

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

Keep the PC and switch to Linux. Mint is a good choice.

[@1MeowNow]

10 forever

[@AlastairRosie]

Which is why Linux is my daily working computer and you DON'T have to be a geek to use Linux, it's actually the complete opposite. Try to at least pretend to be a techie some of the time.

[@EditEvidence]

so why not keep your 'old' machine and use linux? if you *really care* about the environment-

[@WCT]

cause no one knows Linux exists and no one wants it

[@markrichards4019]

The us gov shoud be on the backs of the tec giants microsoft and the rest for all the land fill haveing to up grade pc we know why you made the up grades for not all of us use our pc or labtops on malware sites or doge web sites so come on microsoft make it so that we the rest of us can put the latest os on pc and labtops with out haveing to go throw hoops

[@paulwalker427]

switch to Linux

[@Bart0815-k8r]

Not all computers have to become e-waste. Although you criticise Linux, some people will install it. Additionally, the computers could used for media or PLEX servers. How being positive creating a video on how to continue using old computers? You going on and on that 99% of people won't reuse their computers is being doom and gloom. Give people a chance. Stop being so negative. Mac computers are NOT worse stop this nonsense unless you can PROVE Mac computers are so bad. prove it .

[@nbrown5907]

ROFLOL do you have no memory? This has happened to different degrees through the years. My 95/98 couldn't quite do XP then XP hardware could not do Windows 7 then 10 was a little easier and now 11. You are pissing in the wind my friend.

[@WCT]

no, in the times of Windows 95, 98 and XP There were a lot less PCs ... yes it was still ewaste...but not to the 250 million PC ewaste. It was very small numbers compared to today

[@nbrown5907]

@@WCT Well the waste did not just start, that is not right it has been terrible for quite awhile. Some places take them and say they are recycling them but most of the product ends up being burned and polluting the area it is improperly burned in like in India for example.

[@nbrown5907]

@@WCT Oh and double check that more pcs now bit because many folks who would have had pcs when I was younger do not have them now, they just use their phones lol. Cellphone waste is an issue too.

[@Appalling68]

Sorry to be “that annoying guy” that mentions Linux, but it just needs to be shouted from the rooftop that probably 80% of this projected so-called e-waste could run the Linux system with few or no problems at all. Yeah I get it, nobody “knows” about Linux or is not interested because they can’t run their crappy Outlook or 365 apps. But this whole instant EOL of hardware just for a few bs software changes is both appalling and horrifying. A functioning, non corrupt government would simply not allow this to happen.