Why The End of WINDOWS 10 Could Be a Huge Problem

[@CommeradeZhukov]

The dumbest part is that windows 11 can easily run on VERY old hardware with a simple workaround. The barriers they're putting in place are purely artificial.

[@Yora21]

Then it's not dumb but malicious.

[@imgladnotu9527]

they are just gaslighting everyone including hardware manufacturers to buy and make more expensive and powerful hardware so that they can add more bloatware and background spyware that the user will never notice........

[@griffster17]

But as he said in the video, that would only work for people who were quite clear with windows. We typical user probably wouldn’t know how to do that. Will probably also be possible for somebody who had a bit of knowledge to patch. Windows tend to keep it running just like people have done with XP. But the problem still remains that the uneducated user would struggle. And that could be majority.

[@danwake4431]

@BuildTheFutureYouWant and then they come back and sue you because they hate windows 11 lol

[@MrMOGHammer]

well Micorsoft caught up and made windows 11 on those machines having a permanent watermark saying PC not compatible and stops windows updates. That is very malicious of them. Especially when you can test that windows 11 is working just fine on the old PCs. Even an old i7 3770k Ivy Bridge CPU,

[@ekkkkkknoes]

Microsoft is working really hard to make Linux more attractive

[@raylopez99]

That's a tall order. Linux is hobbyware.

[@brianvogt8125]

@@raylopez99 - Windows is leading the race to the bottom of that category.

[@HyperSonic1999orJTH]

​​@@raylopez99 Right now you're right, but that could change soon as linux is starting to get more attention now that valve has made their move with steam deck. It always starts small then builds up and gains momentum.

[@christopherjaya342]

Linux desktop was a hobbyware. It's now a good productive-ware (unless if you're a musician, then pick apple)

[@NetraAmorosi]

@@raylopez99 - It was once, but very much isn't anymore, Linux systems have been evolving very rapidly and been gaining a lot of support from third party developers.

[@j.p.9522]

Windows 10 was originally supposed to be the "last" version of Windows and I wish Microsoft had stuck with that.

[@wojciechdebowski5014]

Well, it will be last for me xD

[@thundercat_pumyra]

I don't. If Microsoft had stuck with that then we wouldn't have the same Windows 10 we have now, we'd have Windows 11 but it would be called Windows 10. Windows 11 would have been just another update to Windows 10 and we'd all be stuck with it.

[@BGTech1]

Yea, especially since windows 11 is basically a slightly changed version of 10

[@theshadowsniper1085]

​@@BGTech1 win11 interface sucks

[@micmacha]

It felt like a marketing ploy to me.

[@quegyboe]

Another thing people don't seem to be talking about as much with the Windows 11 hardware requirements is the e-waste. By forcing millions of perfectly functioning computers to be discarded, they are dramatically increasing e-waste at a time when natural resources and the environment are becoming increasingly important factors in our world.

[@agnostic5870]

E-waste isn't a thing to our tech bros.

[@megacap55]

Well apple does the same and nobody talks about it

[@NicoleColenico]

@@megacap55 Ofc we talked about it. But neither apple nor the governments tried to do anything about it, so people gave up. Now we are talking about it again because more companies are adding to problem.

[@barkhascherp7746]

the e-waste is going to be crazy. I'm thinking of how many machines with perfectly working hardware are going to be thrown out because they simply can't run windows 11, and how many casual users won't realize that they have another option to keep their machine alive, or think their old computer is "as good as broken" when it really isn't!

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

​@@barkhascherp7746 are people really so excited for W11 that they'd just throw out their perfectly working machines? it's less likely than you may think.

[@RussellFlowers]

Unless something changes, Win 10 will be my last Microsoft OS. Even the TPM requirement aside, MS just continues to be more and more user hostile.

[@jackkraken3888]

Right? I don't understand it either. Windows 7 was the last great OS IMHO. Heck I use it even now and its fast and doesn't do anything behind my back! I have never had to worry that randomly something will stop working because of an update.

[@RussellFlowers]

@@jackkraken3888 I've been reluctant to move over, mainly because of familiarity and fear.

[@jackkraken3888]

@@RussellFlowers I completely understand. Even I will likely not move over. Heck my current pc is actually quite old but I don't have the budget to move over and perhaps more importantly I don't see a single reason to move over. Not a single thing I have heard regarding windows 11 makes want to move. Running android apps is cool and all but it's just not enough and no rounded edges on my windows will not make be buy a new PC!

[@AnthonyHeaton-ih6rk]

It is my last.

[@coopercummings8370]

@@RussellFlowers You really don't need to be afraid of switching over to linux, it is entirely possible to install a linux distro onto an external USB drive so you can test it out and make sure it does what you want before you remove windows and install the new OS onto your system's main drive. If you want the system to feel familiar, I recommend picking a distro using KDE for the desktop environment, the layout and placement of options is very similar to windows, but it has more options to make some tasks easier.

[@MCasterAnd]

This HAS to be an inside deal between Microsoft and device manufacturers. Laptop and PC makers have experienced declining profits as the performance of new devices is just so good that some people aren't updating for years. By making millions of PCs unable to upgrade to W11, the consumers have to buy new ones, which increases profits of device manufacturers

[@Robert08010]

But... and correct me if I am wrong... The feature that prevents us from running windows 11... isn't the feature we're missing the same feature that will make it impossible to ever run anything BUT windows in the future? I remember seeing articles about this before windows 10 was released claiming it was going to be integrated into bios support that would, after the installation of windows, prevent you from ever installing any other OS. This is why so many people were up in arms when MicroSHAFT started auto-installing windows 10 as if it was just a software update. In my opinion our "missing feature" is a highly undesirable feature and I am delighted to not have it.

[@jordanwardle11]

Covid was a massive sales boost.

[@0w3nn]

Every single new windows 11 requirement is just about security. All about security. Secure boot, TPM, new CPUs required because, security. Security, security, security.

[@theilluminatimember8896]

They're pulling an Apple on people

[@mr.jackstone9256]

​@@theilluminatimember8896 its worst than apple, I've used my old macbook white with modern and previous versions of osx ,with support ,for a excess of a decade

[@ianbelletti6241]

Microsoft is working hard to get in trouble again for monopolistic practices. They seem to think that everyone can afford to purchase new hardware.

[@ntal5859]

That is not a monopoly ... that is like saying Ferrari cars are a monopoly because you can not afford one.

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

@@ntal5859 You're kinda missing the point. In Windows 11, they have been more forcefully trying to make users use Edge as the default browser for example. In the end, it's probably going to bit them a bit. As for myself, I'm gonna switch to Linux.

[@ShaCaro]

​@@ntal5859except instead of a Ferrari you could get a Volvo, a Hyundai, etcetera etcetera. For the average user there are no options besides Windows.

[@KyleDavis328]

@@Nurse_Xochitl I run Windows 11 daily on two machines, the only time I get prompted if I want to use Edge as my default are the few times I use it as a chromium backup for when websites don't want to properly support Firefox. And even then, it's not more intrusive than any other browser's "make me the default" nonsense. Windows 11 still has a ways to go, but it's certainly a lot better than what people who don't use Windows 11 think it is. It takes no time at all to clean up some of the new nonsense, and they're still making improvements with each update. I almost never need the old context menu anymore. I thought it'd be a hassle to have both, but the fact that Windows 11 has such a good integration with the new Windows Terminal means I never really need the old context menu. Also Windows 11 is finally working towards making Bluetooth headphones not suck, so that's nice.

[@crsrdash-840b5]

In today's market, buying new hardware is like buying today's vehicles. A 2023/2024 Ford F series cost $85k to 100K! No, this is not a mistake in my typing!

[@BebebnyaHuTao]

2:26 - What ironic is, even in 2024 (23 years later) Windows XP still being used in more computer than Vista and 8 (Two Successor after XP)

[@Mroziukz]

I would still be using 7 if it weren't for most programs not working on it anymore

[@lucapri]

but what about 7?

[@rafaelgabrielgarlinidal-bo9496]

win7 is best win

[@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU]

Xp is used in 3rd world countries lol, that's what makes the bumb on the graphs. 99% of people use whatever is shipped with their PC or laptop, and businesses also use windows and keep it up to date to latest versions because they naively think it means security while in reality it means new potential vulnerabilities that hackers can use.

[@Ravenoustoxic]

Use win xp as off grid. Dont connect it to internet. Hackers from russia just gonna slave you xp computer.

[@androidcow1234]

The craziest thing to me about this whole situation is how Kaby lake processors (7000 series) were only supported on A SINGLE VERSION OF WINDOWS. Microsoft purposefully locked those processors out of receiving updates on Windows 7 and 8 in an effort to move users to Windows 10, and then turned around and decided they weren't good enough to run Windows 11 despite supporting all the features necessary.

[@moki5796]

It's wild that a CPU released in 2018 and still sold until 2020 (e.g. the i3 7020U) would be obsolete by the year 2025. That is in the worst case 5 years of use before you are forced to upgrade if you want to keep using Windows.

[@christopherjaya342]

I have kaby lake laptop. It runs Linux effortlessly.

[@teamredstudio7012]

There are pentium 4's that have the nessecary cpu instructions for Windows 11, and are even cabable of running it. Can't believe even CPUs from laptops that are still under warranty "can't" run Windows 11.

[@kornelobajdin5889]

​@@moki5796 huh lol dont forget linux exists.

[@moki5796]

@@kornelobajdin5889 Reading comprehension is hard

[@digitaldreamerscreative]

I suggest rebranding Windows 11 as a higher-end version of 10, and letting Windows 10 still be updated. Didn't they once call 10 "the last version of Windows"?

[@ballinn0430]

Yeah they did. That statement aged horribly.

[@mrjkr4945]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN'! they promised windows 10 was it. this update is artificial. we dont need windows 11. im running windows 11 right now but i dont need it. it runs like 10. i hope they change their roadmap to keep windows 10.

[@ballinn0430]

@@mrjkr4945 They better. Because Windows 10 is significantly better than Windows 11.

[@milli-ns]

Windows 11 originally was gonna be a windows 10 update but they decided they hate sticking to their word and made it a new version entirely

[@claycassin8437]

It looks like it will be the last version of Windows...for me.

[@Project314]

Going from shoving updates down our throats when least expected to pulling the rug out from under us. Brilliant customer relations policies!

[@WmTyndale]

LOW IQ. Hence the interest in AI

[@wisteela]

@enrique amaya Why, does he do a kick ass Linux distro?

[@IzzyIkigai]

@@wisteela Woudl that distro be called JesOS?

[@Universe593]

@@IzzyIkigai It's actually TempleOS

[@HyperVanilo]

They didn't shove updates, it's just you as user don't know that you can turn off the automatic restart

[@TemporaryTemporary-y2j]

@0:26 I think that was extremely thoughtful of the creator of this video to mention that this video could mostly be simply listened to in audio. Even so, it is apparent that there was a lot of care and effort taken in editing the visual aspects of the video as well.

[@phoqueme]

legit lol it would be rude to not watch this well edited video

[@ENEL7]

Exactly now I can try to fall asleep while listening

[@ghostsword6554]

Thank you I was about to say the same, earned them a subscription.

[@OfficialpKIndustries]

​@@phoquemeIM BLIND SORRY YOU THINK THATS RUDE!

[@alex1453]

Very much agreed. I wish more creators would mention this option at the beginning of their videos.

[@josir1994]

The difference between Vista and 11 in this comparison is that the overhead on 11 is the same as 10, and the hardware limits in place are artificial rather than performance related

[@kundasemkundatam7461]

Maybe Vista would had better start if 64bit XP came sooner than in 2005 and won't be limited to Professional.

[@Valery0p5]

The limits are based on hardware security features, like SecureBoot, TPM2 and Meltdown protection.

[@Artsu1993]

@@Valery0p5 my computers both support those but those cpus arent on the list of supported cpus anyway. Its stupid. I installed win11 on over 15 year old machine and it runs fine, just a little laggy. I just skipped the hardware compatibility test lol.

[@jasonmullinder]

@@Valery0p5 hardware security aka you don't own or have control over your computer. While legitimate threats the majority of users only experience with the relevant security is scammers trying to convince them to pay up for a hijack hoax email

[@extreme123dz]

@@Valery0p5 And "that security features" is demostrated to be trash garbage easy to acces that has a lot of bugs LOL

[@Maverick7r]

I think the requirements for Win11 is ridiculous personally. It's making Linux options a lot more attractive, especially with the success of things like the Steam deck.

[@michaelphillips8238]

Unfortunately, Microsoft know that they have the overwhelming upper hand - unless at least 70% of current Microsoft users are willing to dump all productivitiy software, game software, and and other software, Microsoft will be the driving force among home computers. Most computer professionals recognize that the learning curve for Linux replacements are just too high to expect that they will be any significannt threat to MS's dominance

[@flotowncomputerguy6243]

@@michaelphillips8238 you hit the nail on the head. The end result of Microsoft having a bad version of Windows is people retreating back to older versions, security problems and all. Windows offers cohesion and a standardized experience. Linux systems vary wildly between distros. I can talk someone through fixing basic issues in Windows. I'm going to shoot the computer if I have to talk a 76 year old into diagnosing ALSA issues in the CLI in Linux because an update broke it

[@foodhatesme]

​@@michaelphillips8238 that won't be the case forever, linux is finally gaining some mainstream use. Linux and arm based operating systems are going to take a decent chunk of market share from Microsoft.

[@michaelphillips8238]

@@foodhatesme I just don't think the marketshare gained by Linux will be as large or have as much impact as you hope for - I hate to say it, but I have heard that exact statement made for literally the last 20+ years. Microsoft also has a huge advantage in all of the huge businesses that use the OS for the business applications that are written for it, not to mention an overarching network management system like Active Directory. While Linux has made tremendous strides in those areas, it is still a game of catch-up for the OS.

[@MuffHam]

I bought a steam deck because its Linux with SteamOS.

[@2ndviolin]

The extra hardware requirement for Windows 11 is a huge pain.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

They can be bypassed.

[@rogermwilcox]

@@FlyboyHelosim : The CPU requirements can be bypassed. The BIOS security requirements cannot. And I'm running on a 2012 desktop PC whose BIOS can't be made compatible.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

@@rogermwilcox How come people are installing it on machines that don't meet the hardware requirements then... both real and virtual... myself included?

[@Defender78]

cant i just stick with Win 10 after October 2025, and just make sure i have my browsers up to date, and virus protection enabled?

[@FlyboyHelosim]

@@Defender78 Yes. I'm still on Windows 7, with no problems relating to security.

[@Rayowag]

It blows my mind to have a computer that is technically fully fitting the system requirements, but it's telling me it's not compatible on a technicality because of the processor being one generation "too old" as if it's not still an i7 at the end of the day. I honestly want the EU to push on Windows for essentially trying to force planned obsolescence on people with computers that are 5 years old tops. How is Unreal Engine capable of running on my computer, but not Windows 11 ffs (not that I want it)?

[@luckylucy4078]

As of now it's at least (almost) 7 years for the hardware, unless the maker of a laptop had added a TPM 2 device themselves (or gave the user an option to add one), in which case it may be even older. For Intel it's the 8th gen which will be 7 years old this September. And the 8th gen is out of support, and this is normal. Not to say that 7 years old hardware is strictly too old to be used in a modern computer, but it kinda is old and slow. And it's not unreasonable to expect new customers to have more or less new hardware. For PC users, the situation is even less severe, they simply can install TPM 2 compatible chips into corresponding slots on their motherboards. Fair enough, you (most likely) can't use your i7 2600k this way, or your FX-8350, but let's be honest, they don't cut it even for Windows 10 with the latest updates. (Not necessarily because of the lack of CPU power though)

[@PS3PCDJ]

Microsoft trying to not be anti-consumer challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[@cameronbosch1213]

Apple, Google, and Amazon aren't any better though...

[@RemsHusband]

​@@cameronbosch1213 GNU/Linux based OSs are tho

[@chaoswatcher2215]

legit lol

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@RemsHusband Of course. Heck, even Ubuntu's Amazon drama was still MILES better than the modern spyware & adware that is Windows 11!

[@PS3PCDJ]

@Jacob B Go away, fan-boy

[@guybrushthreepwood2567]

100% agree - they should extend the life of Win10, you nailed the parallel between XP and Win10 - they should treat it the same. Not a perfect solution, but much more reasonable than just dropping support on that many users.

[@skelebro9999]

I don't think that'll change anything. Windows 10 is simply lighter and better and most softwares just work in Windows 10. You can't even play Valorant in Windows 11 without the TPM. To be honest releasing 11 was the worst move they could have done.

[@royalkumar795]

​@@skelebro9999if you mess with the registry, it'll change back to windows 10, windows 11 is windows 10 as disguise

[@skelebro9999]

@@royalkumar795 lmao 😂

[@XX-_-XX420]

​@@royalkumar795how come so many games that work on win 10 don't on 11, is it just some small line of code that prevents it from running or running terrible?

[@Wieprzek]

​@@XX-_-XX420 is it actually many games? Im both a retro and modern gamer and i dont see any issues. I understand that Valorant requires tpm thanks to its invasive kernel level driver, but it's a unique case

[@TheHidan234]

I had never seen someone say ''you can listen to this video if you have something else to do''. That's very nice, i like it. I would love to see other youtubers do things like this.

[@philiptownsend4026]

Yes very refreshing. I liked that too.

[@Anastasia-ex6sv]

Yeah, this is the first time I’ve seen anyone do that. It surprised me

[@macsarcule]

Agreed, super cool!

[@nomdutilisateur]

And on top of that, his video clips are not all from a video stock, unlike MANY KZbin channels. The simple but efficient video clip with the XP timeline is clearly original.

[@sainaro2335]

I really appreciated it too! allowed me to clean my desk a lil bit

[@Mo-Thoughx]

Here I'm asking something powerful. Do you know where I can get Windows 11 Pro keys? I bought a new PC and I want to start using it.

[@yavuzs7]

Brother, BNH software has already worked for me and it is working excellently.

[@Mo-Thoughx]

and how about it? does it have many differences?

[@yavuzs7]

ehhh well I downloaded it recently, the truth is I'm still learning how to use it but I do see some significant differences

[@Mo-Thoughx]

It must be a matter of sitting down to learn and practice.

[@MoswenMedia]

Google MAS Gravel, and come back and thank me.

[@ArmanOssiLoko]

Good guy Microsoft, trying their best to make other systems like Linux more widespread.

[@PotatoMan007]

Jesus is embarrassing.

[@cyberdemon6517]

​@enrique amaya mircosoft decided to follow jesus and spread the good word of other OS

[@GEB_Rosee_PPS]

with the amount of games that are not supported on linux: eh...

[@KnightspaceORG]

@@GEB_Rosee_PPS It keeps getting better though. Lknux Mint, Wine and Proton can play a vast majority of titles

[@BosnianHeisenberg]

@@GEB_Rosee_PPS ever heard about Proton

[@tigerroz123]

In environmental terms, if Microsoft really cared about sustainability they would extend the support of windows 10 so that people can hold onto their equipment for longer. This would be better than rendering alot of old computers obsolete, and it would help for a "circular" economy where ppl can get the most out of their tech before it's rendered scrap

[@angrysarcasm2229]

Unfortunately, the money they make from forcing people to switch as early as possible far outweighs any reasonable expectations of longevity, environmental friendliness or product quality. Microsoft's CEO made $54,946,560 in total compensation in 2022. I could retire on that amount and never work again, AND have an emergency fund for serious life events like medical expenses. $42,269,560 of that money was given as stock, meaning that he has evaded a huge amount of income taxes if he keeps those stocks for a year. So, we have to deal with being robbed, while the CEO, and the other top executives can make enough money to buy mega-yachts and private islands while both ditching their tax responsibility and underpaying their employees. This is what happens when you're on a 'pay yourself what you want system'. The board of directors set the CEO's pay in a parasitic relationship so they can pull in more money for themselves. It's a lose, lose situation for consumers, and 99% of employees.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

good point . There is a shit ton of used laptops with xp, 7, 8 on them that could be still surfing the web or farmed out to 3rd world countries but capitalism needs you to keep reinventing the wheel but buying the same again but it has blue lights

[@lucio-ohs8828]

Windows 10 and 11 aren’t the only operating systems… modern Linux distros can be very user friendly and have been known to keep old hardware useful for longer

[@krashd]

@@Rusty_Gold85 Those same laptops are also potential bots due to the amount of security issues their hardware contains. Old hardware is absolutely riddled with security issues. If you knew just how many infected 'bot' computers there were in the world wreaking havoc on the economy through ransomware attacks then you would not be questioning why Microsoft only wants Windows 11 to be running on hardware that is protected by a TPM and a virtualisation layer. The governments of the (western) world are forcing Microsoft to do this, and I don't blame them, Russian and North Korean botnets are no longer just run by criminal organisations but are being utilised by their own hostile governments, and they could be used to cripple our infrastructure in a heartbeat. Imagine if Japan could have caused anarchy within the US banking system two weeks before Pearl Harbor? You can't go to war when your populace is rioting over missed wages and not being able to access their money.

[@brovid-19]

@@lucio-ohs8828 2025: the year of linux

[@FAB1150]

My biggest problem with windows 11 is that it values form over function (and even then, i prefer the 10 look). It falls into that hole a loads of companies fall into, where they strip out functionality (or hide it between layers of stuff) in the name of "simplicity", with the only result that anything other than moving documents around becomes harder and muuch more frustrating to do than what it would be with a basic interface in the first place.

[@RandomGeometryDashStuff]

I prefer Windows 7, everything after that is getting worse.

[@call_me_stan5887]

This is why my foray into Linux Mint, that started 5 years ago, might come in handy. On top of that I am rocking a super simple desktop environment (basically a UI), that looks like straight from early 2000s - it's called XFCE and I love it.

[@benzhere]

It really doesn't even value form, in many ways, the UI is still unfinished and, in my opinion, more ugly.

[@chaos.corner]

Just give me win2k with the true windows improvements and I'd be happy.

[@char7490]

@@chaos.corner win2k is the most barebones skeleton of windows and its annoying they dont support this absolute dinosaur anymore. It has all you need and no BS, its lightweight and can run on anything. I wish they kept supporting it and updating it as a superlight version for hardcore superusers like how linux works but its clearly not what MS does.

[@tazman8697]

I think the fact that you need to buy a new computer to run MS Windows 11 should be a class action law suit against MS waiting to happen.

[@thewiseoldfox]

I wish it were that easy, but what is and isn't considered obsolete hardware is totally in Microsoft's control. The fact that Windows 11 isn't compatible with a PC made 5 years ago is everyone else's problem. I don't agree with it by any means, that's why I'm switching to Linux sometime before it's too late, and that's as far as most people are able to go.

[@slothysoap4589]

​@thewiseoldfox But they ARE compatible. The "compatibility issue" is purely artificial, and even unskilled users can work around it. They are intentionally and maliciously denying windows 11 to install on older hardware simply because they can, not because of any actual legitimate reason.

[@thecalvinprice]

I work for a small business that runs a little call centre, and in the last 22 months, they finally upgraded their computers from Core2Duo machines to a nice suite of Ex-Lease HP mini PCs. Alas, they're all Skylake boxes and so unsupported by Win11, but that's all the company could afford. We're now looking at rebuilding our systems so that we don't have to use Windows at all because of the end of support for Win10. Windows 11's arbitrary requirements are a big middle finger to consumers, small businesses, and most of all the environment with its e-waste generating requirements.

[@thespicehoarder]

Exactly! I'm starting a business in my area to switch computers over to Linux. It seems everyone is annoyed at the e-waste issue from the end of windows 10 support.

[@greevar]

I've been 100% Linux for the past 5 years and dual booting since 2006. Linux has made HUGE improvements in that time. Gaming is actually viable on Linux now, thanks to Valve and Codeweavers. Only professional software suites, like Adobe and Autodesk, are neglecting Linux users. The more people switch over, the more attention Linux gets to improve the home/office user experience. It's my opinion that Windows is approaching the beginning of the end for being the dominant OS on desktops. It might be 5 to 10 years, but people are getting fed up with Windows.

[@johnnyblack4261]

Switch over to Linux, I suggest a rolling release distro and forget about "upgrading" hardware!

[@fishyc43sar]

IoT LTSC Edition is the answer The support ends on 2032 instead

[@johnnyblack4261]

@NakaT Rolling release doesn't necessarily mean "bleeding edge", it just means there is no "versions", you don't "upgrade" from the previous version of Ubunto to the next. You get incremental upgrades. Anyways I use Arch and I don't find it less stable than debian based. If anything it performs better, you are not way behind a lot of the software etc.

[@ingframin]

In my eyes, it's a catastrophic environmental disaster. Especially considering how many people managed to run Windows 11 successfully on older machines, it feels really crazy to have an artificial limitation on the minimum requirements. Apple is a shitty company under many points of view, but they support their hardware for a really long time.

[@purple_purpur7379]

i mean they let their hardware run on newer software but also planned obsolesence soo

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

There isn't even an alternative version you could install for older hardware. Like a Windows Lite that keeps getting updates, but doesn't look as fancy as the "glassy" and "fluid" Windows 11. There doesn't seem like there's any other option than using Linux, which works great for me, but may not be for everyone.

[@ImHeadshotSniper]

@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 i have never used Linux yet, but from what i hear, it is very quickly becoming more and more simple with GUIs for everything instead of so much terminal use, as well as support and compatibility improvements to things like "Wine" i believe it's called, as well as proton and whatever other amazing compatibility tools exist. also other things like DirectX to Vulkan which can even sometimes have even greater performance than Windows are incredible. a future of Linux seems very possible, even for "normies" as they say. i really want to switch to Linux, but i think i want to wait maybe 1 or so more years to see how much more compatibility improves with games and programs i use. so far, a vast majority of what i need to use is already supported on Linux natively, so i don't think it will be much longer before i make the switch. the only thing really stopping me is the unforeseen concern that something i might need to use won't work, but i understand and count on the fact that support grows every day and this has became less of an issue over the years

[@mjdxp5688]

They don't care about the environmental impact, they care about the possibility of making more money.

[@Mario583a]

Running an OS successfully does not equate to optimally. Sooner or later, one will encounter compatibility issues with things such as if a TMP 2.0 only feature is requested and a TMP 1.2 cannot produce the neccesary results.... well.

[@Zahaqiel]

Ah yes, demanding users purchase high-end hardware to continue receiving security updates... during a cost of living crisis. Good work Microsoft. Also as a side note... skipping Windows 9 was a massive missed marketing opportunity. Windows 9.5 and 9.8 could have included some retro themes.

[@logan_wolf]

The developers at Microsoft live in a bubble... in more than one way.

[@Kali_Krause]

We already have the Windows 9.x family so no need for Windows 9

[@Croz89]

I do hope there isn't still a crisis by 2025 though, or we're really fucked.

[@boltstrike2787]

95 and 98 are the reason they skipped 9, from what I heard. Apparently there would've been some coding issues causing conflicts between 9 and 95/98.

[@IAmStillNotMatthew]

It's 2023, time to upgrade your PC you built in 2010. I could roll back to my old PC and except for the Motherboard I'd be over the "high end hardware requirements".

[@Richard-rk1ru]

I am pretty certain they will end up extending it near the end. They are simply creating the sense of urgency to speed up the transition process.

[@mayoraeryn]

​@lindenreaper8683 honestly, yeah. It kinda does. No imbedded ads in the os, no unreasonably high system requirements, no constant spying. All great things; I just wish there was better support for games with EAC and BattlEye

[@squiddu]

retrobar and openshell have kept my windows 10 experience almost completely untainted, minus the OneDrive icon always sitting there in the file manager. thank god I never upgraded to 11 despite meeting requirements legitimately

[@violetiolite]

​@@mayoraerynthe more Linux users the more companies are gonna be forced to make things compatible. Steam is changing the game. Hopefully you'll be able to play those games soon on Linux 💜

[@mayoraeryn]

@@violetiolite Agreed, and yeah, hopefully :)

[@Kerbezena]

Valve has done a lot to improve gaming compatibility on Linux. Honestly, gaming was the biggest of a very, very short list of issues that kept me from switching away from Windows in the past.

[@RKDriver]

Same here. It's the games for me and they have to run smooth. Otherwise I would just switch over to Linux. Linux is getting there but it's still too much for your average user to work with. Think of the average user as someone who uses Apple products. They just want to plug it in and have it work. No fuss, no hassle.

[@fss1704]

Same, now i guess i'll switch to linux permanently, no way i'm installing windows 11 to use.

[@deistriox3403]

True its time to invest in something usefull for once

[@assailent299]

@@RKDriver I'm a linux user. Is it harder to get games to work? Yes fuck yes fuck yes yes yes. Does it work without a real performance cap yes. Unless your killing your pc with something like Cyberpunk 2077 it will work just fine

[@BLGDrive]

For me it's games and Adobe, I've tried it before but having to work with virtual machines and adding a dedicated gpu for a gaming virtual machine is just too much of a hassle to switch

[@nasenbaer4627]

After begrudgingly making the switch from Windows XP to Windows 7 and after, equally begrudgingly, making the switch from Windows 7 to Windows 10, I will happily make the switch from Windows 10 to Linux. Thanks Microsoft 👍

[@JZStudiosonline]

Yeah, but 7 didn't suck as much as 10 or 11. I distinctly remember switching to 7 and even the same kinda crap hardware gave me a decent performance boost. Win10 was starting to be spyware, win11 is.

[@akshaymathur136]

True, I also found Windows 10 to be too bloated, so I never upgraded. Some of my machines are on Windows 7 (a perfectly good operating system), but behind NAT and firewalls. But that's Okay, for all my machines primarily run Linux, having started the transition during pre XP SP2 days, and finishing by Vista. I do remember how terrible the original pre SP2 XP was.

[@calvinbarnes1721]

@Malice I had a similar issue, Give Lutris a try, it isn't perfect but it works really well for nearly every game I've tried it on.

[@yazajin]

​@@calvinbarnes1721 Meanwhile I've been testing the waters moving over to Linux (and using Lutris) and the very first game I tried wouldn't install properly using a standard GOG installer with Lutris. It took getting a custom written wrapper from the GOG forums to make it work and now Lutris won't detect it. Just my anecdote of a poor start and Steam (on the 5th game I tried using Proton) was similarly affected.

[@keeshahdarkfurr8328]

I’m still running win 7 pro. No issues or security breaches

[@hubux1719]

Although my only experience with Windows 11 is when I'm sometimes using my friend's pc, I personally think that Microsoft made it too simplistic and just more tedious for users like me to tinker with more advanced functions by hiding them or making them otherwise hard to access.

[@dovedozen]

Exactly! I use it for work and I'm picky enough that this stuff genuinely negatively impacts my workflow. I used to use fancyzones on 10; they implemented SOME of its functionality on 11, but huge chunks of it are missing and it sucks! Also, alt+tab randomly stops working sometimes?? It's like the painted-on facade of an operating system in front of a brick wall & somehow you need fancy new hardware to run it... the cost/benefit analysis is NOT looking good.

[@remirms2239]

this ^^

[@JamesTDG]

EXACTLY! It does not let tech nerds go crazy

[@thereoc]

I like windows 10 pro functionality but I like windows 11 UI

[@hubux1719]

@@thereoc Personally I don't like the smoothines of that ui, as well as the Taskbar being centered

[@pelgervampireduck]

As far as I know nobody wants Windows 11, it's not even accepted or the default and they are already thinking about Windows 12. If your computer can't run Windows 11 and it can't upgrade to it, I consider it as a bonus feature.

[@kekchanbiggestfan]

I think it’s interesting that Apple stayed on OS X (10) for years and just made incremental updates to it. And later, Microsoft decided to make Windows 10 the “last version of windows” and just make incremental updates to it. Then Apple released macOS 11 in 2020 and Microsoft released Windows 11 a year later.

[@chevon5707]

In fairness, for Apple it was more of a branding decision (owning the X) and the point updates were often bigger than full version updates are now, for better or worse.

[@kekchanbiggestfan]

@@chevon5707 Of course it’s a branding decision. It’s just as much a branding decision for Microsoft

[@roccociccone597]

It's because M$, even with their dominance in the desktop os market, shit their pants when Apple does something, because they know that Windows is dog shit.

[@Noksus]

It's difficult to sell a new version of software when the version number stays the same

[@kekchanbiggestfan]

@@Noksus Tell that to Apple

[@user-ct8my8rv9c]

Windows 10 has been rock solid for me. Changing for the sake of change and starting over is an unfortunate side effect of keeping stock holders happy.

[@punchcake4832]

Its linux mint time

[@ARandomInternetUser08]

Report @lindedreaper8683 for harassment. I've been getting harassed by this loser in my own comment threads for 2 days now.

[@georgeemanson]

So much for Microsoft's green credentials.. making us through away a good computer & buy another....... that they want us to use........ sounds so APPLE!

[@MaddJakd]

​@@punchcake4832Dual boot at best. Lets not get too excited. Loads of industy software aint on linux, aint gonna be on linux, and VMs aint always the answer.

[@apobg]

Apple computers work for decades. You obviously never used any Apple products. They are known for their long support.@@georgeemanson

[@showoffvideo]

You missed a critical part of the XP support timeline. Which is when they tried to stop supporting it, lots of government entities and healthcare systems were still using it, and wanted them to keep supporting it with critical patches longer which one of the reasons it went on a little longer. I expect a similar dance between government entities/healthcare systems and Windows 10.

[@OShackHennessy]

I have been wondering if they won’t back down as well

[@Lanurus]

Idk W11 is a lot closer to W10 than XP and Vista no? I don't have any experience about XP and Vista, but I assume there's more innovation between older OSs compared to Windows 10 and 11. I personally find the difference between the two relatively disappointing. Microsoft also made it really easy to upgrade to W11 too, so I could see windows 11 being easily adapted as long as the people operating the computers are semi competent.

[@danill4381]

I haven't met a single person who uses windows 11 as their main os lamo

[@randomdude8202]

@@Lanurus Its not the issue, to install a new os you need to start over, which means you will have to reinstall every single program, and it can be very tricky to set it up. You might even lose data, which can be catastrophic. I know servers that still run on xp due to complexity of the transfer.

[@Lanurus]

@@randomdude8202 Upgrading to Windows 11 doesn't delete anything unless you explicitly select fresh install when it asks. That's what I meant by Microsoft having made it really easy to update.

[@tanmoysarkar5848]

Been a Windows user for the past 14 years and just switched to Debian 12 recently. I'm loving it ❤

[@loveandparty4118]

I think they need a major overhaul of their managerial levels and above. Clearly a lot of people at the top of their company are completely bonkers given their horrible decision making.

[@praxisodinson8378]

Do you think pro wrestling is real too? the foreign beings that have occupied the positions of power within our lands aren't stupid, or out of touch, they are malicious, this is warfare against the people by corporations and government everywhere all across the west, all of this is intentional, and can be stopped, we just have to act, as our ancestors did over 1500 times in 109 nations in the past. .

[@zippyparakeet1074]

This is what happens when a tech company is controlled by marketing guys, suits and stockbros- people who know jackshit about tech.

[@kroanosm617]

From their business perspective they are geniuses. Corner the market and force people to buy a new version.

[@LordOdyseus]

​@enrique amaya, stop spamming, Jesus is ashamed if you are making this kind of impertinent comments.

[@HyperNova808]

@@kroanosm617 except it can easily shoot them in their foot as cheaper alternatives do exist

[@mouldypretzel]

My biggest concern for future Windows distros is the potential to set up a subscription platform that forces you to pay in order to use your computer

[@fiftybytes]

don’t use so called “windows distros”, you don’t know what security or privacy issues it may introduce

[@roccociccone597]

@@fiftybytes I think he meant releases

[@martinkuliza]

@@roccociccone597 I'm a firm believer in WHAT A PERSON SAYS IS WHAT THEY MEAN so until he says RELEASES, he means DISTRO'S it's not our job to correct him it's his responsibility to know what he's saying

[@roccociccone597]

@@martinkuliza true but unfortunately most people aren’t very concise with their language. Still those hacked isos are worse than stock windows.

[@martinkuliza]

@@roccociccone597 This is true and i agree however, i learned a long time ago not to hold myself responsible for others i tried it once, it was a nightmate, it becomes a holding someone's hand contest and if i'm not "Understanding Enough" then i become the bad guy NO... fuck that Everyone , no matter how lazy or careless has an inherent responsibility for their own words and actions, if they fuck up.... that's their fault, not ours so if he says DISTRO's then i'm running with that because the flip side of the coin is he could put up an argument that that's what he meant and we assumed otherwise and ... he'd be right in that defense Assuming is not good Take him on his word is usually the best way to go

[@deviatedseptum748]

Microsoft's business decisions never cease to give me a headache trying to figure out just what the hell they're thinking.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

thats due to hiring staff that are developers without thinking of a moving train . They are thinking of the railway stations

[@nickryan3417]

Microsoft are about regular software rental income and nothing else. Fixing bugs, delivering the software that people want, writing anything that is remotely efficient... none of that matters to Microsoft. For example, firing almost their entire QA team... we are now the front of Microsoft's horrors, more and more bugs are coming through every month, and Microsoft stance is that they don't care and should you get a bug even acknowledged, some lame excuse that it's not Microsoft's problem (e.g. "too many tracked changes in a document") and the issue is closed.

[@Amygondor]

and who's going to pay for the setup I'd need to run windows 11? I was planning on getting an USED gpu this year because I can't afford anything in this socialist S-hole.

[@jerichosamurai]

@@Amygondor Can you afford a weapon and the will to make a change? Complete the mission.

[@ts-900]

Why doesn't MS make an OS that just works with very little memory and lots of privacy? Just for the fun of it?

[@Alche_mist]

Simple reason - people would use it.

[@edison3571]

The only thing stopping Windows 11 from running on a system that does not meet their requirements is Microsoft itself. They are actively blocking it from running. That only leaves two choices to switch the operating system to open source on your machines or to spend money to repurchase or upgrade to meet their requirements. As companies are trying to resolve and maintain their operations during this recession I think they have to start looking outside the Microsoft environment if they can't afford to replace or upgrade their entire office P.C.s. This may turn into a real game-changer for Microsoft.

[@lukereiner]

I'm moving to Linux bc of this... so it was a successful ad for MSFT.

[@robonator2945]

this is why regulation is fucking stupid and doesn't actually help consumers. Regulation denies companies the rope to hang themselves. Microsoft is fucking over consumers and putting them in a situation where the preferable choice is to just leave microsoft and do business elsewhere. (linux) That's what happens time and time again, except, wait, no it isn't, because most of the time jackasses try to regulate companies to get them to stop doing shit that's bad for consumers (cough cough EU cough cough lightning cough cough Rossman cough cough RtR) which realistically only ensures that consumers stay placid and keep buying from companies that actively want to fuck them over. It's an adversarial system, where people are trying to stop one side from being adversarial. It's like if people stepped in and FORCED wolves to not over-breed in times of food surplus, thereby ensuring both deer and wolf populations continue to rise since you never let the wolves overpopulate and cull the deer population. Sure you saved the lives of some deer and wolves, but long term you've ruined the ecosystem that they inhabit and both will likely suffer greatly in the long run once this arrangement stops being feasible. Death is a part of life, and imbalance is what trends systems back towards balance, if you never let the wolves over populate you ensure the deer stay overpopulated. All the same if you never let companies fuck over consumers you ensure consumers stay placid and keep doing business with companies that are actively fucking them over in every way you HAVEN'T gotten around to legislating yet which, realistically, is MOST ways.

[@NatetheNintendofan]

@@lukereiner Linux isn't for me cuz I'm a gamer

[@robonator2945]

​@@NatetheNintendofan 85% of games run silver or above under proton, which basically means they run as well as (or often better) than on windows. That goes up to 89% if you include bronze games which often do work but just run noticably worse or have other issues. (oh and of those games which are bronze, some of them are just buggy on both platforms, so reports on protondb say the game is buggy, and it gets ranked low despite being just as good on linux as windows) Apex legends as an example runs obscenely better on proton for me. I have to sit at mid to high settings on windows to get smooth ish performance. On linux I crank every setting to max and still get absolute butter flowing out of my CPU.

[@edison3571]

@@NatetheNintendofan Sad but true. It is the reason I use it. If businesses start training people to use open-source software their monopoly would come to a halt and software companies would have to start adding code to open-source projects to stay in business.

[@jadekaiser7840]

The only things keeping many people, including myself with Microsoft OSes are familiarity and compatibility. They seem more determined with every version to throw the familiarity aspect out the window by making the UI as different as possible starting with Win8. Not better, just different. Like they're obsessed with not looking or working the way they used to, with trying to step away from the 'windowed UI' that literally gives their OS line its name. Compatibility problems on Linux have meanwhile been rapidly shrinking, and many UI options for it have by all accounts been getting closer and closer to the familiar setup we all know.

[@dizzyheads]

I pretty much ignored windows 8 because of unfamilarity

[@jadekaiser7840]

@@dizzyheads I tried to. Didn't work because I had to get a new laptop on a budget and they only had them with Win8, but while I had it and 8.1 I stayed as far away from the new "features" as possible. I was very happy when Win10 largely went back to form, just keeping toned-down elements of 8 and 8.1 as strictly optional alternate methods. As they always should have been.

[@russbetts1467]

For those of you who don't like the Metro UI on 8/8.1/10, there is a replacement called 'Classic Shell', that gives your three options of previous Windows 'Start' menus; 2000; XP, or 7. You can also change the style of the 'Start' button. Windows 10 with the W2K Start menu is what I'm currently using on my laptop, so I don't get it confused with my Windows 7 PC. Please Note. Classic Shell has recently been taken over and developed by Open Shell, which is equally as good.

[@thatguyalex2835]

Hopefully by October 2025, when Windows ends support for 10, I'll switch over to Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Windows 11 is janky from what I have heard, and removes some legacy software (not that I use legacy software that much, but it would be nice to know that I have them).

[@robthef00l11]

I think its more about forcing people onto an operating system that records and transmits all keystrokes back to microsoft. Older versions didnt have that, or had easy ways to turn it off or block it. That wont be possible going forward.

[@bastian_5975]

Nice of Microsoft to create such a booming endorsement of linux. Never thought that I'd see the day they actually just officially said "Get the hardware we want or switch to Linux" to so many people.

[@tenshiinen]

Linux is the same, no? Broke as shit drivers and lack of support for a bunch of hardware means you are basically required to get AMD + Mesa drivers and specific brands of DVD drives and wifi, if you want the system to work well.

[@lordfatcock]

Psssst. Atlas os....

[@bastian_5975]

@@tenshiinen That hasn't been the case for me so far. I've only installed it on 2 laptops so far, but also what I've heard is that linux is supported fairly well now-a-days. I've been using Ubuntu for over a year and for the most part I've only had fairly minor annoyances that just come from not having experience with it.

[@russellhltn1396]

The same was said about past migrations. Something not discussed is when were machines not capable of Win11 discontinued? A quick search says 2017. So, those machines would be 7 years old by then. That's not a bad run. I don't think that's going to bother businesses too much. And I suspect many individuals have moved to tablets anyway.

[@bastian_5975]

@@russellhltn1396 and every time I'm willing to bet that Linux had a decent increase in users at that point. People over time have gotten better with computers while Windows has gotten worse and Linux has gotten better. If they don't make changes to improve windows 11 or then 12, then the people who want windows for its convenience/ease of use will end up going to Mac, and many of those that want it for pretty much anything else will go to Linux.

[@TheWanderingNeko]

thank you for the audio support, i like consuming videos while biking to work and your videos are always lovely :)

[@MHKing03]

This is an infuriating (but not unexpected) bait-and-switch for what was touted for some time to be the "final version of Windows" we would ever need. Not to mention, Microsoft will single-handedly indirectly produce more e-waste than any other organization in history.

[@fluffypuffyboy586]

yeah u litteraly have to replace millions of clients in schools offices and other buildings becouse Upgrading is way more expensive and takes way to long if you have to do it on all the systems at once

[@jacobw446]

The problem with "cloud" is what they have done to Outlook. They have cut down the storage to be so small, to try too force people too pay monthly fees on storage.

[@SusannaSaunders]

Storage has become prohibitively expensive on most platforms. Apple cloud service for example had a 25% price hike this year. A hike I wasn't prepared to pay and just deleted the data. The learning was, don't trust cloud services. They are only there to get you over a barrel and fork you for ever more.

[@nicksanta]

Hello This may seem retro, the problem with the cloud is a constant connection to a poorly secured internet! Regards

[@Moonlightshadow-lq4fr]

Cloud data could be wiped though if you don't pay every single month! A very dangerous path to walk. You could never restore what you had at the mercy of microrip off!

[@JohnSmith-k1x]

In the end it is all about the money

[@thedeadlygames9716]

Not too surprising as apple does the same thing with iCloud

[@ptvfans]

In short: it’s because windows 11 has way less compatibility (requires higher end components), while windows 10 is amazing in terms of compatibility.

[@--Traveler--]

yes, exactly. it will take 5 years for it to catchup to windows 10 and some apps wont ever be compatible.

[@mikel9656]

its an artificial limiter put inplace by MS. 11 actually runs better on lower end handwear than 10 when you force it. it has a better scheduler and better memory management. but it has other problems....

[@Spacebadger]

​@FlyingMonkies325🤡 ! I don't want or need AI on my pc thanks !!!! I'm perfectly capable of doing stuff on my pc without it !!!!! Fxxk Microsoft !!!!!!

[@wisteela]

Linux even more compatible

[@4DCResinSmoker]

Sorry bud, not wanting Hal 9000 on my home PC.

[@dmccosta6069]

Literaly, if they end win 10 support i'll just go f*ck my self and switch to linux

[@hileute2a2]

I hope to make windows 10 my last windows that I ever use as main OS. The spyware and reporting it does already creeped me out enough and it only gets worse with 11. The end of 10 might finally give me enough of a push to switch to Linux fully

[@paulstubbs7678]

What creeped me out was their never ending changes.

[@sakesaurus]

Make sure to check forums for any problems you might have. Linux is. . Not ready for a lot of consumers

[@robonator2945]

​@@sakesaurus tell me you haven't used linux without telling me you haven't used linux.

[@sakesaurus]

@@robonator2945 no well, I mean if you only do basic stuff, it's easy, but if you do anything like set up IME, or try to run a VM there's a lot of technical stuff you need to dig into. In windowsa lot of this is installed by default.

[@sakesaurus]

@@robonator2945 look. It took me about a month of occasional multiple hour sessions to set up chinese input in Arch. In windows it took me seconds.

[@dangercrue]

i honestly agree with this video. i'm on windows 10 currently even though my computer is able to be updated to the latest version. i heard too many horror stories of how shaky it was when windows 11 came out and just haven't upgraded yet. i'd honestly love to stay on windows 10 if possible, since i don't really think they needed to make windows 11 anyway

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

The thing is, it was shaky, when Windows 10 came out too. Simple, small update could cause BSOD loops. Don´t worry, your PC will get updated. On its own, as MS will once again push the "free" update onto us, as they did, when Windows 7 was still dominant. Many people went to sleep, left ther computers on, only to wake up and find Windows 10 on their machines...

[@dangercrue]

@@Morpheus-pt3wq it was shaky, but it's been a bit over a year since windows 11 was released and people were still having issues towards the beginning of this year so it's hard to sit there and be like "they totally can't fuck it up again." it's also just ugly to look at in my opinion lmao

[@CallowG]

I tried Windows 11 and had to back it off because Rocksmith runs "jittery" on it. I tried several versions and none of them ran it smoothly enough that I could endure playing it. Tried every tweak I could find, no joy. Back off to Windows 10 and everything is smooth again.

[@dangercrue]

@@CallowG yeah. i heard so many people had issues like this which is why i've just never updated.

[@brovid-19]

I had to listen to some fucko at work suck windows 11's dick. ITS SO MUCH SMOOTHER ITS BETTER MY FRIEND IS A CODER AND WE LOOKED AT THE SOURCE CODE AND ITS MUCH BETTER _the source code, eh? speak into the mic please_ the fact that people like *that* exist are the main reason that microsoft can pull shit like _this_

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

I can't be alone on this, but I really want manual control over windows updates again. Even Win10 in the last few years has had an update that bricked installs and I believe one was even corrupting data.

[@velja1312]

i remember the one time i had windows update mess up my boot times, which made me stay up until 5AM. may 2021, winver 20H2.

[@mousermind]

Yeah, that's why I reverted to Windows 7 Ultimate.

[@samatics4]

The ghost spectre version of windows 11 allows you to pause updates indefinitely

[@countfrackula6707]

I, for one, got fed up enough with that 'feature' of Windows 10 that I built my own home Domain Controller, just so I could fix that major issue.

[@noahscarbrough3224]

This right here is why I refuse to run Windows as my main. Can’t even put into words how moronic it is to have no control over updates. I am riding it out on Mac until Linux takes over.

[@neilbaldwin592]

I ditched Windows when the support for Windows 7 came. Ok it was a learning curve to using Linux but now it does everything I need of my computer , and I don’t feel I’m being held to ransom by Microsoft any more.

[@alex_the_balding_fat_man]

Until very recently I was involved in providing IT support services in a rural area of the UK. I was still coming across users of Windows 7 & 8, and even Windows XP. Given that many of these folks are on "broadband" connections that barely reach 1Mbps (some as low as 200k!!) it's hardly surprising that they didn't upgrade. Several customers running Windows 10 used to drop off their laptops to me in the middle of each month to run Windows updates because they simply didn't work on slow connections. Windows 10 will be hanging around for a long time yet.

[@DaciaSandero_1.5DCi]

i survive with 138k on 4G multiple users in city area, enough to load youtube anyway

[@EminoMeneko]

I could understand for the old PSTN connectivity which was both slow and limited in time but isn't broadband available 24/7 ? One can just let the machine run in background and forget it until any update is complete. I do it on games weighting like 80GB. Windows update are far smaller than that.

[@chronometer9931]

@@EminoMeneko The machines he's talking about are so out of date, they probably slow down to crawl when you update. For the most part you're right though. Those users don't understand how computers work and are too lazy to learn.

[@Planetdune]

@@chronometer9931 Weirdly enough, I have an old laptop that was originally made for Windows 7. I upgraded it to 10 and it never ran smoother. It runs 10 better than it ever did 7, faster boot times, more responsive, etc.

[@Zack_Wester]

@@EminoMeneko another problem when download speed hit less then 200KBit sec. is that the sender (like Microsoft) thinks the client timed out because the Are you still there ping after a time just don't send correctly and the whole things times out. I had when I was sitting on 100Kbit internet back in early 2000 had download from FileFront or what that site was called fail overnight. (I could use Filefrontds downloading tool that split a 1Gbit zip file into 1000. 1Mbit zip file and when it failed somewhere midway I could just restart the download at that point and not have to restart because the 0.5Gbit Zip file was useless.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

My laptop's not supported by 11 so I've upgraded to Fedora Linux. The end of 10 simply means I can get a cheap pre-used replacement. Linux distros should be campaigning to get more people to switch, it's an ideal time for them to pick up a userbase.

[@Blackbirdone11]

For people that want to play games or need to work with it Linux is not an Option. I love Linux but people are not realistic. For 95% of people its not possible to switch.

[@Ether_Void]

​@@Blackbirdone11 The gaming side of Linux has gotten a lot better over the years especially with Proton and the Steam Deck even a lot of games with Anti Cheat work now. The production side of things depends a bit on what work is required, have seen people using LibreOffice for professional work for years. Most of the time people are just so focused on the things they know that alternatives are out of the question, basically if it doesn't work exactly like windows it's not worth it for people that only ever used windows. That said a large issue is that a large portion of Windows users probably wouldn't even be able to reinstall Windows let alone a different OS. Even systems would work and just need to enable fTPM and Secure Boot would require some changes that many people probably will never do so because they don't know how. So a ton of people will likely stick with Windows 10 until the things they need don't work anymore.

[@OJN1]

@@Blackbirdone11 This only applies to multiplayer games. Single player games work 99,9% on Steam. I even have Mod Organizer 2 and Vortex Mod Manager up and running with 100's of mods for several games. And I had NO experience with Linux before making the switch a few weeks ago.

[@randomguy15865]

omg there's ways around compatibility issues on win11 there's no need to use Linux

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@randomguy15865 it's not a good idea to run unsupported software and there are other reasons to switch.

[@billybollockhead5628]

As a user, I notice very few changes between versions of windows, other than the odd ui change. But I do notice it becoming slower and needing faster hardware. Am I alone in preferring a version of windows which runs quicker and gives my apps (the important thing), more resources? Windows is just a thing which runs the important stuff (software), I don’t need it doing all the things it tries to do which I don’t care about. I want it to take up few resources and run apps. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@punnamrajenderreddy5537]

yeah iam feeling the same its as if microsoft forgot about the users who are using low end pcs

[@punnamrajenderreddy5537]

and i hate that force update which makes pc slower when not updated

[@logan_wolf]

I've also noticed dlls going missing with each new iteration, which some of my older software and PC games need in order to run properly.

[@darrennew8211]

@@logan_wolf Most of those are still available as "redistributables." It's stuff like language runtimes that have been superceded but the old versions are still out there. I have a directory of like 15 such things various program of mine need installed on a fresh Windows.

[@the_omg3242]

That's part of the reason why consoles are so popular for gaming. A much leaner OS that doesn't try to preload every possible thing so it can make the most of the hardware available. I've got a friend that uses a PS5 and XB series X for gaming, KZbin and streaming services and a tablet for email and web stuff. PC's are too much of a pain in the ass for him.

[@cyberwasp461]

My PC has a place for a TPM but I haven't put it in. Microsoft is turning against its users by forcing them to buy compatible hardware when they're having problems feeding their families or staying housed. Am hoping that someone out there with the knowledge to take over the support for windows and keep it alive!

[@bertblankenstein3738]

Resistance is futile, and Linux is quite friendly these days.

[@rossmeldrum3346]

What I don't like is for the past few years M$ has started using their entire user base as a massive beta tester unit. Unlike before Win 7 when they would test it first, then release it when it was stable and useful. Also I wish they would release new versions of windows with all the options turned off, so you only have to turn on the ones you need or want instead of searching dozens of windows, back alleys and garbage cans to find the switch you want off.

[@covett7870]

Linux fucking sucks​@lindenreaper8683

[@oldwizzy]

Windows has become a FREE from 10, everyone has become THE PRODUCT that provides income for MS, so to speak. If that is not clear by now, they have clearly been sleeping under a giant sequoia!!

[@773Spair]

It may be acceptable to release beta versions for users to try out and help Microsoft test; but, as you brought out, they shouldn't be releasing unpolished versions as alpha versions that are actually beta versions they're forcing us to test.

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

Microsoft: Win 10 will be the last version of Windows and we will continue building on it far into the future. Also Microsoft: Win 10 is dead, move to the somehow even worse Win 11

[@TammyDenseDdank5658]

But here comes Win12 bcz Win11 sucked donkey balls so bad.

[@ReinMixTape]

They designed a perfectly modular OS in which they can replace/update it easily, for decades to come, but proceed to move to abandon it like they did with Win 8 / 7 and predecessors so they can assert greater control over peoples computers and because a long lasting OS isn't profitable to them.

[@lesath7883]

Precisely. It sounds like their plans on soft-monerizing Win10 were not enough, so they had to make an even more intrusive OS that reports even more telemetry. This makes one wonder how much more spyware will be baked into Win12 and later "this is the last" Win versions.

[@Dave102693]

@user you mean Apple Silicon MacOS

[@Dave102693]

@@lesath7883 probably Bing Ai and MS Runway Gen 2 in everything with ElevenLabs Bing will be baked into the OS.

[@bokmcdok]

Been using Windows 11 at work for a few months now and it's just frustrating to use. So many features have been removed or made harder to find, and it's really tough to work with. Apart from "pretty" rounded corners on Windows I haven't seen a single thing in Windows 11 that is an improvement on Windows 10.

[@nicknelson9450]

Win+S then type what you need.

[@epzo]

MS is a demonic company

[@daedelous7094]

The only annoyance with Windows 11 was the search to web suggestion stuff which was easily disabled with a registry key. After that it seems to have made my system run a lot faster. The inability to restore the classic start menu without 3rd party programs is a bit irritating at first but to be frank, I never used the start menu to click to start a program, I only ever hit Windows and typed what I wanted, boom there it is. I dunno I may be an outlier here but windows 11 hasn't frustrated me beyond the start menu.

[@mikethe223]

mspaint has layers and i heard ai pretty soon

[@joegame4576]

what is it that you want that went missing? maybe i can help you out. there are lots of things you can bring back by simply editing the registry. for example, i prefer the old photo viewer to the new photos app and all i had to do was edit the registry to bring it back.

[@timarc9895]

Microsoft: Windows 10 will be the last OS, we will support it with UI and security updates forever. Also Microsoft: Windows 11 is out please be less poor.

[@OverDriveOnline7921]

Don’t forget that XP’s extended lifespan was begrudgingly given by Microsoft, in part due to netbooks. Windows vista could not run well on the crippled hardware of netbooks, so Linux was initially offered but more commonly XP was offered. Due to the massive install base of XP, new machines still being offered with XP on them well into the life of Vista and legal support requirements in places like America, Canada and Europe, Microsoft were in a tricky position.

[@daddadification]

I seen XP 3 days ago in a shop They know they love windows 10 when XP is their own OS

[@vram1974]

They're going to push Cloud really hard with Windows 12. They recently made available Cloud hosted desktops and releasing boot to Cloud ISOs. I could easily see them pitching Windows 12 as "Too powerful to self host". Whatever they do, it'll have nothing to do with our best interest and everything to do with their bottom line. I keep hoping for a huge revolt against the Cloud and subscription software. Probably going to be hoping for a lot longer...

[@A1stardan]

I'm pretty sure they want to go down the office route. They used to sell ms office for a fixed price/license codes, but they realized why get paid once, when you can keep getting paid. Now if u want ms office, you have to buy 360 EVERY MONTH. they are going to make windows 12 same way. Pay every month or it won't work

[@mrcalzon02]

it has everything to do with controlling and harvesting every single byte of "user" data, and the rights management that goes with it.

[@warenthegamer815]

​@@mrcalzon02 agreed, this will be great for users who value privacy, we will all simply migrate to Linux & force the industry to value Linux & code applications and games natively for linux

[@72chargerse72]

I am guessing the American government is gonna love all that acess to your files and stuff.

[@RobertJohnson-lb3qz]

@@warenthegamer815I’ve been waiting for that since I attended my first LUG meeting!

[@m4s0ok4]

At the current time, i think end of support for Windows 10 will be awfull simply because Windows 11 is a heavy DOWNgrade in functionalities, features, and usability for power users, not only for hardware limitations (witch is an already sh***y move)

[@YujiUedaFan]

Why can't they just upgrade the OS without taking away specific features are burying them in like 5 different menus?

[@nickryan3417]

@@YujiUedaFan Because incompetent developers who only deal in shiny and not usability (and definitely not maintainability or efficiency) are running the joint now.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@nickryan3417 So they changed random things in Windows 11 because "We had to change SOMETHING!" Absolute change for change's sake. I'd rather Windows 11 be a mix of Windows 7 and 10 than the Mac clone it is.

[@pixiesnakes4293]

Just keep using Windows 10. Or Windows 7. Or whatever. Who cares if there are no more "security" updates when the biggest threat to privacy is Microsoft itself.

[@garatobra2504]

Problems you bank or stock broker will not let you log in with an outdated OS, then why use a computer. For that purpose LINUX won't work.

[@IgabodDobagi]

Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows that I use. As soon as it is no longer a viable option, I will move to using Linux and hope the software support for Linux keeps getting better in that time. Microsoft has made too many decisions that have turned me against them in recent years. It's time they realize that these decisions that hurt the user are not good for their business. And maybe once they no longer hold such a huge majority of the market share they'll correct their course. But I'm fairly sure they'll come to this realization too late to save the company.

[@reaganharder1480]

My observation is that the FOSS community is in a strong stage of growth and with that we can expect support for things like Linux to also keep growing.

[@bobfarker4001]

Linux mint cinnamon is a good one.

[@desputnikcommander]

I agree, witheverything, except the last statement. They don't care for Windows, because they see the money coming from different parts of their business. The company itself is not in danger, just because they let Windows go down the drain.

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

I tried Windows 10. Once. The trial lasted about 3 months, 3 automatic updates, 3 times the update BROKE the machine to the point I had to blow it off and do a from scratch re-install. After the third time, went back to Windows 7 - and it's been WORKING since then. Sadly, Steam has announced end of support at the end of the year - so I'm finally moving my last Windows machine (the GAMING machine) to LINUX.

[@ton146]

I left msoft a few years ago and went with linux mint and never regretted it. I was strangely encouraged when i learned that one cannot learn every thing about linux (bash) but then i never knew more than 50% of DOS 5 anyway.

[@matthewwebster3341]

Reasons like this are the reasons why I switched to Linux after Windows 11 was released. The loss of control of updates without having to go back to workarounds. There should be a switch for me to set my updates to automatic or manual similar to windows 7/XP. Data collection by Microsoft is certainly a concern, i know that you can opt out of some of it but there is the perception that there is something going on. Finally, the push to use a Microsoft account and pushing Microsoft's services very heavily and intrusively. Why when I install a separate browser does Microsoft constantly ask me to switch to Edge? It is this feeling that my computer is not my own is the hardest pill to swallow. Due to all this put together, I have switched to Linux as my primary OS. As a note, I do not trust Apple anymore than Microsoft so switching to them was off the table. The biggest hit against Apple is that if you are not wholly invested in the Apple ecosystem, I always feel like i am missing out on he experience and all the features Apple offers.

[@kizzull]

Yeah.. and just wait until Microsoft requires you to attach your passport or government id to your Microsoft account otherwise you won't be able to use your computer. It's all for your safety of course. We've known for a long time that Microsoft is controlled by the intelligence agencies. Their anti-consumer practices are pro-intelligence practices. Let's vote with our feet and switch to Fedora Linux or Linux Mint. Both great Linux distros.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

When Windows 11 was announced, I decided to try Linux instead. I dual boot Windows 10 alongside Linux Mint. It has been a long and sometimes maddening process, I'm a slow learner after all, but now I spend most of days on Linux and even with all the difficulties, it has been very rewarding. I think this is the best compromise for those who can't ditch Windows entirely due to programs used at work that only run on Windows. I really hope Microsoft gives extended support for Windows 10. There are still machines running Windows 7 in my country, that says it all.

[@lfnull]

Now just mount your windows drive and use it has the base for WINE and you should be pretty good to go with being able to mix between DLL's when you're running windows apps under linux. Most apps work pretty good, if not faster and better.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

Windows 7 is still the best windows.

[@jozkomrkvicka388]

Well, In my country there are still ATMs that run on windows xp.

[@SantaLorena]

That's because Windows 7 was the best OS, ever. I grind my teeth daily as I use my Windows 10 laptop, as I'm constantly reminded how inferior this product is. Needless to say, I'm not looking forward to 11, but I guess I'll have no choice, if I buy another computer.

[@emerald1337]

@@jozkomrkvicka388 same here. one time i went to a store with my family and i saw the fucking windows xp taskbar on the cashier computer

[@ponchovanillabean8074]

I am migrating to Linux. Fuck Microsoft.

[@some_body_else3636]

guys that's a bot, report it

[@AAAaaa11159]

@@some_body_else3636 🤡

[@AnhuiRepublic]

@@some_body_else3636its been here for 7 years

[@HaryanviKashmiri]

@@some_body_else3636??? no its not?

[@scrubscrub4492]

Out of curiosity, which distribution did you decide on?

[@AfaqDraw]

I'm happy that the steam deck has encouraged developers to start taking linux into account when working on their game. I used Ubuntu for more than a year in 2014 and would like the option to switch back if windows goes south.

[@randompirates4824]

The problem is most corporate see linux user as freeware user that refused to pay for software, like if they even didn't want to pay for OS why we bother looking profit from that community

[@kizzull]

Fedora Linux is maintained by an open community and financially backed by Red Hat Linux, a large highly profitable corporation. They use Fedora Linux as their foundation OS for Red Hat Enterprise Linux OS. There's a lot of money in Linux. I use Fedora Linux and so does Linus Torvalds. It's the best distro out there in my opinion. I found it easy to install and set up. Took an afternoon, and it feels so good to get off Windows, it was WELL worth the effort.

[@yashakayasange]

​​@@randompirates4824 most people dont pay for windows. unless you built your own pc you will almost definitley have windows unless its a mac device or custom order with linux installed. you are given windows with your pc, and thats it for almost everyone.

[@TheDaxter11]

@@yashakayasange The only reason I'm gonna be paying for Windows is because I'm getting a new PC in September and "downgrading it" to Windows 10, which I'm gonna have to buy and figure out how to install and replace Windows 11 with manually.

[@ClockworkBard]

That's very much by design. Valve has been very transparent about the fact that they're pushing the Steam Deck and SteamOS at a massive loss because they recognized the theat of Microsoft and gaming hardware companies burning down the PC gaming industry while chasing other interests. PC gaming is Valve's money-farm and they felt it was in enough danger to warrant a full-assed response.

[@thomasrdiehl]

There's a common reason, imho, for both the lack of releases in between 2015 and 2025, and the continued popularity of Win10: There is simply no market demand for further major updates and much further hardware upgrades as computers have reached a point where they are capable of everything users could need (outside of gaming, which keeps pushing needs). Looking forward to the resurgence of Linux should Microsoft go through with this.

[@ian_b]

Yes. And for instance my secondary system, which I use to watch videos like a TV and a bit of Twitter etc is a low spec system from 10 years ago (it was my late father's). It was Windows 8 (yuck!), it now runs Windows 10. There is absolutely no economic justification to me, nor environmental justification come to that, for throwing it away. It does not need an OS that does any more than Win 10 does, nor in fact any more than Win 7 or 8 did.

[@jamesrsmith8558]

Are you telling me that Bitcoin miners and foreign interference aren't also driving the change?

[@ian_b]

@@jamesrsmith8558 "Foreign interference"?

[@thomasrdiehl]

@FlyingMonkies325 That is nothing new. Every windows up until XP was just an update of the previous one. Even if the internet wasn't there, that is just the most efficient way to create a new iteration of an OS. Still, until somebody goes and develops an AI-driven OS that creates itself according to the needs of its user, there just is very little left to innovate. The main difference between Win XP and Win 11 is that Windows has kept wrestling control over their machines away from users. A more important factor, imho, is that innovation is annoying to users. People like to continue doing stuff the way they are used to, so changing stuff up is a tough sell unless the benefits are obvious and huge. And with Windows updates, they just aren't. To be fair, Windows is not the only system that keeps changing stuff without asking its users first. Browser updates are a horrifying mess because you never know when a plugin that's essential to your workflow just stops working with your browser without any warning.

[@ian_b]

@@thomasrdiehl I'm just sick of Microsoft dicking around with the UI and removing user choice. The Windows 11 one is horrible, almost as bad as 8. Nobody asked for it. It's change for change's sake. Why won't they let me have my taskbar at the side? Why reduce program launch options? Why do they keep doing this?

[@OShackHennessy]

The fact that you let us know that we could just listen to this video instead of watching deserves serious respect. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate that since I usually listen to videos while getting other things done!

[@ryno4ever433]

Yes, I love this!

[@Kane0123]

100000%

[@kiillabytez]

A good content creator tells you that. A GREAT content creator lets the video speak for itself.

[@OShackHennessy]

@@kiillabytez that makes no sense

[@LuxEternis]

@@kiillabytezLike the guy above me said, it makes 0 sense. This isn’t a movie where things should become clear via context and other means. For all you know, there could be visuals to support his points which you’d miss if you only listened. Him telling that means you’ll be sure you’ve got the entire gist of it by just listening.

[@xnvaznx]

Microsoft and any software developers should not be allowed to "spy" with software they charge for. Worse it only adds to the security risks for businesses and those that have to support crapware only increasing the costs because they have to spend more on the security risks the OS itself creates.

[@Gnomleif]

With Win11 suffering from things like weird graphical glitches one and a half years after its launch, I'm going to hold on to Win10 for as long as I can. And with Steam and Proton gaining traction one of my main reasons for sticking to Widows is rapidly disappearing, so if Microsoft don't get their shit together by the time Win10 dies I'll be more than happy to take on the challenge of learning a new OS.

[@GMPranav]

Win 11 is way better than what Win 10 was at launch. It even runs faster than Win 10. The main issue is Microsoft is putting artificial hardware requirements.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@GMPranav And customization restrictions.

[@graytonw5238]

Same here for holding onto Windows 10 for now. I have a kick-ass desktop and a beefed-up ThinkPad P53. I upgraded my laptop to Win 11 just to start learning it, and there's a real and noticeable difference in performance (i.e. worse) once I did that. For now, I intend to keep my desktop on 10 until support ends. As a freelancer supporting people in the Windows world, I don't have a lot of choice, but I'll be glad if Microsoft gets its act together on Win 11.

[@GMPranav]

@@graytonw5238 you probably need to put more effort to debloat windows 11, which you have already done for windows 10. Without debloating both are unusable.

[@graytonw5238]

@@GMPranav Thanks for the suggestion. I recently finished debloating and optimizing 11 on the laptop and while there's a definite improvement, it's still not on par with Win 10. And no, I really didn't have to do much at all with 10 out of the box. I've been as happy with 10's features and performance as I was with Win 7, which was also one of their best IMHO.

[@icecreamgecko]

To me the end of Windows 10 is just disheartening. I am using older hardware which is working perfectly fine, even allowing me to comfortably edit 1080p-video. I cannot imagine it becoming unusable within the span of two years. The end of Windows 10 will turn an unimaginable mountain of perfectly usable hardware into e-waste which is unjustified, IMO.

[@matldn2697]

@D Reaper I will be putting Linux on two laptops and a mini tower. Win 11 hardware requirements are pushing non geeks to Apple. Look what happened to their zune.

[@zhanucong4614]

​@D Reaper producing e-wasn't just because you won't install Linux mint should be a crime

[@Planetdune]

Your device will not magically explode once it reaches EoL. It will boot and work just fine. And as long as you do not use the machine to download shady torrents or websites, you have nothing to fear.

[@Queldonus]

You can keep going with Windows 10, possibly to the end of the hardware’s lifetime. It won’t self destruct, unless Microsoft decides to truly become a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Linux is an option worth considering. There’s several distributions that are quite friendly to windows users.

[@Hilislaw]

Welp, I came up with a "contingency plan" for the "Windows 10 end of life scenario": I'll permanently offline my Windows computers (no forced updates, no glitches, no viruses), and as for an online daily driver - Linux, here I come. Luckily, there are already some distros out there that one can use with great comfort and ease. P.S. For those of us hooked to Adobe software, these are the options: 1) Run older versions of software on offline PCs: I can still do pretty much all I want for my hobby projects on CS3; 2) For Adobe Cloud stuff... well, there's always MacOS. Overall, way to go for Microsoft to dunk on their own popularity.

[@grayfilms8751]

I love how he says at the start of the video that the video is mostly audio, I wish more did this.

[@philiptownsend4026]

Yes I liked that too. First time I encountered that. I like to listen to voices while I look at other things like my painting hobby.

[@VivyX2]

the problem with killing win 10 is that the replacement to it (win 11) is incomplete and in general a downgrade compared to win 10 if you have been a long time user of win 10 you will not like win 11. that is basically guaranteed

[@dharvell]

I think Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot, unless they make some MASSIVE improvements with Windows 11 and its implementation. I upgraded my laptop (which is officially Windows 11 compatible) and experienced a plethora of issues. The most concerning issue being a screen that kept blacking out, forcing me to attempt to delete the graphics driver, allowing the computer to reinstall said driver. This would work for about 3 days, when the issue would recur, forcing an endless cycle of breaking and fixing. Eventually, I had to downgrade back to Windows 10. Microsoft needs to get its stuff together before forcing users to move on to a broken OS.

[@GameMaker3_5]

​@qtsssim I actually bought an old Windows 10 laptop from 2017 simply because it DIDN'T have Windows 11 on it, but every now and again, it'll still try to encourage to install Windows 11, I could have bought a cheaper and more computationally capable laptop if I was ok with Windows 11 but honestly I just don't like it... I just hope I don't wake up to the thing stuck with Win11 because Microsoft pulled a "update that forces you to upgrade" maneuver like they did with Windows 10

[@Gnomleif]

@@GameMaker3_5 Depending on how locked down it is, you might be able to turn off the TPM chip in the BIOS. If Windows doesn't detect a TPM chip it will stop nagging about upgrading to Win11, but the downside is that you might be more exposed to potential security risks. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

[@rmorenberg]

I think it will be slightly problematic for some people. 11 just feels different in a deeply changed way

[@existentialselkath1264]

I have windows 11 on a laptop and 10 on my desktop. It's incredible how 11 prioritizes surface level design over actual function, while still arguably looking worse. Even the tiles in 10s start menu, while terrible by default, can be modded to show great cover art or thumbnails for apps and games. Windows 11 just gives you a grid of icons that turn to noise.

[@skelebro9999]

I can't even move the taskbar in Windows 11 💀

[@Saji_0]

@@skelebro9999 yes this, with my weird 3 monitor setup I want my taskbar on top of the screen but win 11 says no, so I'm not gonna downgrade this functionality

[@hjf3022]

I've always liked all the items in my tray showing. I hate having to click the caret to see what is running/its state. Windows 11 punishes me for this preference by making me have to manually check a switch next to every item i want shown, and have to do it again when I install a new program or update an existing one. I also had to mess with the registry to get rid of the nerfed context menu and get the old one back.

[@Mario583a]

@@skelebro9999 Oh no!! Anyway... Jokes aside, Microsoft is trying to figure out a way in how to port the earlier code to work for the revamped taskbar, it's just...not a huge priority at the moment. less than 2% of Windows 10 users on put the taskbar in a position other than the bottom. 2% of a billion and a half is still a decent number (30 million), but Microsoft is focusing their resources elsewhere for now. I personally am a bottom taskbar user, but I would like to see it return in the future.

[@uoeno4344]

@@skelebro9999 Use a third-party software or edit the registry💀

[@Mr.1.i]

im having vst problems with windows 11 some of the roland software wont run on windows 11

[@jakemichels794]

It has been clear for DECADES that Microsoft does not care about its customers. They have always banked on the fact that Windows is so widely accepted that no one will ever challenge this fact and continue to buy and upgrade to whatever standard they deem fit. Other than my work computer (which I am required to use windows with) I made the switch to Linux distros years ago.

[@ReatuKrentor]

No, they do care about their customers. They care about the data they can harvest from their herd.

[@TheeGlocktopus]

Linux distros are not viable for mainstream/most consumers. The other problem comes with DirectX rendering. DirectX 12 requires windows 10 or higher. Will DirectX 13 follow suit with Windows 11? The implications there being gaming, seeing as how most games today are DX12. An entirely separate industry is also complacent.

[@thomasmcginnis3783]

@@TheeGlocktopus That is completely wrong and ignores Linux' most-admired quality, of being as close to a hardware-agnostic OS as possible. WOW. Wrrrrrong.

[@TheeGlocktopus]

@@thomasmcginnis3783 You cannot run DirectX 12 natively in any linux distro. The only way its possible is if you are running a linux distro through Windows Subsystem for Linux, in Windows itself. Previous versions of DirectX require emulation. There is a module out now called Proton that can enable *some* directx 12 functionality but with both Proton and things like Wine, this requires an advanced or power user to pull off. None of these issues are hardware based, it's all software. Linux requires too much CLI for it to be accepted into the mainstream. You want to beat windows, you have to think like the average user, not a poweruser who isn't scared by a command line.

[@GABBERSLUT]

​@@TheeGlocktopus For DirectX 11- DXVK works basically faultlessly with minimal performance drops and sometimes performance gains. DirectX 12 is translated with VKD3D which is a little shakier and newer but works fine in most situations. One notable recent example is Elden Ring performing better on Linux w/ Proton than on Windows. Every single update more and more games are playable on Linux with Proton with literally zero tinkering, and so I think it's safe to say that gaming is definitely not going to be the long term constraint on the growth of desktop Linux. Speaking from anecdote, I love gaming on Linux.

[@TheNiceNix]

I think Microsoft knows how unpopular AI based Windows will be, so they are deliberately making all other MS options even worse to try and force the adoption rate up.

[@egg-cafe]

AI based windows is the worst idea, and the dumbest idea, I've ever heard

[@WmTyndale]

People with LOW IQ and no RI will always be attracted to AI

[@wisteela]

@enrique amaya He's talking about artificial intelligence, not artificial people.

[@julianmcmillan2867]

@@wisteela I proverbially spit my soda out my mouth🤣

[@gamrknight8060]

Other than a Human Centipede of tech trend buzzwords, what the fuck is "AI-based Windows" supposed to mean? Does it imply that it will have that chatgpt bing stuff built into the OS?

[@alessandrolira4035]

For all its problems, I actually liked windows 10. To me it was the most usable windows since 7 with an actually similar layout which keep me on that OS, even though I’ve made multiple forays into linux since then. But when I used 11 for the first time I was reminded of the clunky and needlessly cumbersome windows 8, which I put up with for too many years and was not willing to go through that again. But this time with even more forceful insistence on cloud storage and stupid design decisions that make the UX more annoying. Probably next year I will start making the full transition to linux

[@henkfinkers3931]

Welcome to the Linux family!

[@Regexion]

A couple months ago I "upgraded" to Windows 11 thinking it couldn't be that bad. It was so much worse than I anticipated. Thankfully, there is one thing that's positive about Windows 11 - the "Go back" option. Was back on W10 in a couple minutes.

[@Regexion]

@@lindenreaper8683 It does. However, Linux sucks even more for my needs. Not the fault of the kernel or any distro, rather the proprietary drivers/software I need for my peripherals/hardware. Software support is also an issue. Wine and Proton are wonderful tools, but it ain't worth my time when pretty much everything I use just works on Windows.

[@Regexion]

@@lindenreaper8683 No need to be an aggressive fanboy. You're more likely to convince someone NOT to consider switching to Linux like that.

[@henkfinkers3931]

@@Regexion Seems fair. Depending on your workflow sometimes you have to compromise and not everybody can or wants to. May your software turn open source and your licenses be free in the future.

[@lucapri]

i think that there won't really be any more OSs of microsoft before the end of support... after all we're in july 2024, so there's less than 15 months remainig.

[@damonminnix4660]

I would be fine and happy to keep using ten. I don’t want to do 11 and DEFINITELY not 12-I don’t trust AI, definitely not right now. There are security, privacy, and functionality concerns with both that I have. I might be part of that group that migrates to Linux. It will be hard, but then again, if this move gets many people to move to Linux, then I’m gonna guess that Linux support will increase due to the increased user base.

[@reaganharder1480]

@user-hv9sg5pl8b I recently put Debian on an old laptop of mine that couldn't really handle Windows 10, and there was a considerable amount of googling "how to do x in Debian", and there was a noticeable amount of things Windows does automatically that I had to do manually (mostly config stuff, so only needed once if my hardware setup doesn't change). I also went for a pretty light install since the whole point was to salvage some usefulness out of an old and underpowered machine, so it could be that some of that gap was just because I hadn't installed all the features. I'll also note that I have a particular excel spreadsheet that is quite functional that I was hoping to use, but one function it relies on simply does not exist in OpenOffice, and in the hour or two I spent messing with it I wasn't able to figure out a reasonable workaround, no matter how clunky it may be. But yes, otherwise, most of my programs that aren't Microsoft Gamepass have a Linux version available, and it seems the FOSS community is picking up steam these days so I can only imagine Linux support and functionality will continue to get better.

[@davidboss2160]

keep in mind there are a lot of linux discord servers that are willing to help new linux users get started.

[@hgilbert]

Linux is a time investment like learning some useful skill or a language. It pays off in the end. But takes time and effort. They should teach Linux to kids, so they grow independent, techie-savvy; problem-solving skills. Eventually the stress is zero. But takes many years to reach such mastery with Linux.

[@loohbiidloo4753]

@@hgilbertdistros like mint is already ease to use

[@hgilbert]

@@loohbiidloo4753 never tried mint. but found lots of easy-to-use distros impossible to work with my GTX 1650. So, as always, went back to Slackware. Which is not all that easy but works for me 99.9% of the time.. Arch however just dunno how to install and OK, don't want to make the effort - UEFI a mystery and will remain so.. i guess i gone lazy too :P .... But yeah having zero headaches with an OS, is truly bliss. Apart from the very odd occasion you have to install something niche & alien you never did before, there's that sometimes...

[@soonerproud]

This is the same exact thing that happened during the Vista/Windows 7 era. Microsoft held out until the last minute on promising continuing support for XP and ultimately relented due to the popularity and large numbers of installed devices. The same thing will happen with Windows 10 when it becomes apparent the install base is too large to stop supporting with security updates. Ultimately it is in Microsoft's best interest to continue providing security updates for Windows 10 as hundred's of millions of devices with potential security risk in the wild will impact the security threat model of newer versions of Windows.

[@CaptainLian]

Windows WILL also lose majority of its market share as some users are basically forced to try and find alternatives if they push through with this. Honestly I wish Micro$oft shoot themselves at the foot here. Ever since Windows 10. The OS is just filled with bloatware and performance issues. Some of its design is outdated to the core But hey, at least "it just works"... Until some telemetry settings turns itself on or some setting resets or something. It's time some sort of tech disruption happens in the OS space.

[@soonerproud]

@@CaptainLian People have been saying the same exact thing you just posted since the days of Windows ME, yet here we are with Windows still the dominant operating system by near 90% market share. People have been complaining of the bloat since ME, but Windows still dominates. Performance issues? Every release since ME has had the same criticism, including, XP, Vista, 7, and 10. Yet Windows still dominates. (Mac OS and Chrome OS have made small gains while Linux is practically stagnate on the desktop in the past quarter century.)

[@sihamhamda47]

​@@soonerproud Yeah everyone just talking about switching to Linux but most of the corporations still relies on Windows and still not ready to switch to other OS (aka locked into the Microsoft ecosystem)

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@sihamhamda47 Though which would be cheaper? Upgrade hundreds if not thousands of machines or just replacing the software (like Microsoft Office with Libreoffice or OnlyOffice, etc.) with Linux compatible software.

[@thelakeman2538]

I've been using linux for the past 2-3 years so I could care less what MS does with their software, however what I find problematic is that because of windows 11's hardware requirement a good chunk of perfectly usable computers will simply get disposed off by a lot of companies and individuals contributing to the e-waste problem which they supposedly care about as part of their "zero waste" goals. One would assume an extended support programme for win10 will not only help the existing users but also help the environment by allowing these laptops/desktops to be used and resold for longer rather than being turned into e-waste. Well more cheap used/refurb windows computers for me to load linux onto when the support ends I suppose.

[@Kris-od3sj]

The day Enterprise/Educational/other forms of LTSC officially lose support is the day a lot of used, but capable laptops will go up for sale. Snatch one for these for a price adequate to the now oversaturated market, chuck in a fresh SSD for a good measure and you have a good Linux machine that'll last you a couple of years. I just hope NVK and GSP will reach general availability by that time or at least Nvidia proprietary driver catches up, otherwise I'd probably have to limit my choice to team red.

[@see-sharp]

I hope this happens 'cause then i could help poor people get better hardware from naive consoomers who doesn't know that Windows isn't the only OS in the world.

[@KokoroKatsura]

a n i m e n i m e

[@cities_aviv]

Arch btw

[@wachsmalstift]

nichijou is a masterpiece

[@Pyroman328]

Great video! My current plans are to stay on windows 10 as long as possible. Then move to Linux.

[@runikwolf7755]

By far the biggest thing stopping me from switching to Windows 11 isn’t actually the system requirements, but the total lack of customizability, especially for taskbar location. I still run a dualboot with Ubuntu on my newest laptop I got that already Windows 11 and once EOL comes for Windows 10, I’m likely going to just switch fully over to either Ubuntu or a different Linux distro because I’m tired of MS just failing hard on this.

[@majorDT]

Not being able to move the Taskbar is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's like buying a new car that won't let you turn left.

[@automation7295]

@@majorDT Why would anyone be able to move the Taskbar? I prefer it on the button, as most Windows OS has the taskbar on the button by default.

[@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755]

​@@automation7295 A few games I play do not hold my mouse in the tab, so quite often I would end up with my cursor flying out of the tab and opening something at the bottom on my taskbar. We just want it back as an option. You may not have a need to move YOUR taskbar, but a lot of other users do. We can't even move the taskbar by editing the registry which is incredibly scummy.

[@FunnyFreak_]

I've had my taskbar on the top for over 3 years now and I'm struggling using another pc when it doesnt instantly pop up from the top, so why wouldnt they have this feature, and i needed to download an app to make the taskbar see through, why cant windows do that if an app can do it

[@TheStoso2]

​@@majorDT no, moving the taskbar is not comparable to turning in a car, and never will it be.

[@xXRealXx]

I can't believe you didn't even mention switching to Linux being basically the only option left for users who's computers are not compatible with win 11.

[@phir9255]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

[@raylopez99]

Linux is not an option anymore than failure is an option. Linux is just awful. Speaking as somebody who had it dual booted with Windows in the 1990s and also I code for fun. I actually am learning a Unix/Linux/ Open Source friendly programming language (Rust) and a Linux-friendly XAMPP system on my Windows machine, for fun, as well as a pure Linux based Synology NAS on my network, but for real work I'd never use Linux. Linux is a joke. Yes I know Unix runs on my phone, lol. It's still a joke (as is using my phone for real work).

[@xXRealXx]

@@raylopez99 it's not THAT bad now. But depends on what you are doing and how used to it you are

[@JadeLockpicker]

@@raylopez99 Linux Now is nothing like windows in the 1990s. and, bluntly, I've actually pulled (via some fun little tweaks) a switch on an old WinXP laptop to Linux Mint. Skinned it to look line Win98 (which is how that XP box was configed to look before the change.) My grandparents (who are not techie people), never knew the difference until they tried to install a really old copy of Quickbooks on it. Put another way, the only reason I _don't_ use Linux for daily driving, is the fact I have a handful of games that I play that their anti-cheat software will not run on Windows... and this is likely gonna be the reason I sadly have to give them up

[@gammaboost]

I have gotten EXTREMELY frustrated by programs that force me to use a CLI interface, even on windows. I did use linux for a few years, and I am fairly tech-savvy, but using a CLI to install programs or whatnot just hurts me so much. Why can't more obscure but very useful utilities just use GUIs... I would love to use linux but it's very easy to realise that certain "techy" tasks require CLI, unlike windows where most techy things can still be done with GUI.

[@ivo215]

After Vista and windows 8, my confidence in MS isn't all that high. The more aggressive they become about switching to 11, with the hijacked startup screens and all, the more I don't want to.

[@miciso666]

yeah my dad recently. like yesterday called me in a panic saying : they wanna delete my system. i saw this windows 11 forced thing. why are they doing this to me. and im fucking FUMING over microdick. for forcing bullshit on users every few months...

[@leonardbenzies6374]

As a retired Compoter programmer, Windows 11 is unusable for many tasks. Even the Explorer is useless. Windows 7 was not too bad. I am using Windows 10 just now. I will probable move to another operating system next year.

[@Stormygewehr]

Currently using Ubuntu with KDE and i'm extremley happy with it. It's snappy, takes up a fraction of the ram, steam library works out of the box with proton, and doesn't have a bunch of fake news on the desktop. Linux isn't perfect, it has it's jank, but i'd say it took me the same amount of time to make it usable as it would've taken me to make a Windows install useable nowadays.

[@Analog-to-digital-cotinual]

I've recently got a used laptop that had linux preinstalled (i wasn't aware till i got it) i was planning on using it as a home theater thing for my bluray collection but i can't really get vlc to install on it, i do like that you can install entire programs with a simple command though

[@Analog-to-digital-cotinual]

@D Reaper i was trying different versions of vlc i got one that actually opens but the video doesn't show only audio also worth mentioning the laptop only has 4gb ram so that may limit heavy programs

[@insertpenguin8443]

​@@Analog-to-digital-cotinual Wanted to add that setting the video output to automatic (which is the default iirc) is/was recently broken on some systems. Try going through the list and see if there is an option that works.

[@SandsOfArrakis]

@@Analog-to-digital-cotinual sounds to me like you are missing the video codecs to be able to play movies.

[@themadoneplays7842]

@@Analog-to-digital-cotinual Bluray and linux is a bit of a crapshoot (and its nmot linux's fault as Blu-ray is intentionally transcoded against linux) unfortunately, you are best ripping those with a tool like handbrake.

[@hairydonuts6024]

Totally agree. I'm using 11 as I speak. I don't have much of a problem with it, but there is definitely a lot of room for improvement. Ending support for 10 so early is just crazy especially if an AI powered Win 12 is on the horizon. That prospect fills me with horror!

[@iustinheisu4483]

Relax. I've got many used machines and on some of them I'm using windows 7, and I go to all kinds of sites even without an antivirus installed. Because I know what I'm doing. The antivirus is the real virus, and the biggest one is Microsoft.

[@sr2291]

Why does AI scare you?

[@ARandomInternetUser08]

Report @lindedreaper8683 for harassment. I've been getting harassed by this loser in my own comment threads for 2 days now.

[@hairydonuts6024]

@@sr2291 because AI is intrinsically vastly more primitive than human intelligence. AI merely emulates human intelligence by collating information, without 'understanding' it & repackaging it in a way that appears intelligent & authoritative to the average human being, as initially postulated by Alan Turing. If the information fed to it is false or nonsensical it will be relayed to the user as both authoritative & believable. Moreover, as this information is gathered automatously across the internet & often without indication, this has profound ethical, privacy & intellectual property implications most of which will only come to light after AI has been in wide adoption for a number of years. You can bet you ass that telemetry gathering in Windows will go into overdrive because of it & knowing MS their implementation of AI will be ineffective at best. More bloat on an already bloated poorly written platform.

[@barrydaemi6287]

​@sr2291 Not everyone can afford $3000 computer; not everyone needs A.I. anything to live their lives.

[@garamari]

The Linux community is very well aware of the situation. Tons of updates and changes to defaults in several desktops where made to try making the transition as easy as possible for inexperienced users. The KDE community even spent time with Windows and changed some defaults to make their desktop feel more comfortable. Flathub was normally a repository added onto linux installs after the fact to give access to apps like Spotify and is now just setup by default on most Linux distros so as much as possible can be installed from the software center. Even the ones that where entirely against including proprietary software.

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

The linux community has had its chance when the EEE notebooks hit the market. They failed to build something that was useful on those small but very handy PC's. MS got hardware vendors in a stranglehold and forced them to ship those notebooks with windows on it. Half a year later they were gone. As for the community, A non technical user asking questions on fora without the proper amount of groveling will face a veritable flamepit. The community will not condone criticism from a non believer. I switched to linux back in 2000, being utterly frustrated with Windows. Slackware 4 it was. It resembles Unix Sytem5 release 4, baking my own kernels, compiling all sorts of sources with their dependencies to get a workable environment. A linux system is very stable, but a desktop is worse than Windows. Reason is that it's easy to match Windows, but there is little to no ambition to try and surpass a better desktop like MacOS. Inability to create a really good user experience and the community's disdain for normal users to me means that Linux desktop will be gone within a decade.

[@nixon2tube]

@@Verklunkenzwiebel "Linux desktop will be gone within a decade." 1 - People have been saying that for decades. That's not going to happen. 2 - There's a ton of different desktops. You have a good selection based on what look and feel you like, and / or what kinds of software you want to run. 3 - Linux is not the people that use it. Just ignore asshats that get crappy with you about a question. As long as the question is a "Linux" question and not something like "How do I drive this mouse thing?", you should be good. I have some experience, and I've basically gotten by just by googling stuff. I figure if the question hasn't already been asked and answered, it's not likely to by my asking it. -A former Windows user who still supports Windows at work, now using Kubuntu, but got started several months ago using Ubuntu and loading KDE on it. That was a learning experience, but interesting and quite doable.

[@Oznz-m5c]

changed to Linux about 3 years ago. Best decision ever.

[@barfdoggin]

I've been trying to find a Linux version that is actually user-friendly to operate, all the current ones seem to be... less than ideal for me, then there is the issue of support with software since there's a not insignificant amount of software that doesn't support Linux. It's very overwhelming for the average person, and even so for more experienced ones.

[@aradhaymathur]

​@@barfdoggin The reason is simple, the more popular Linux gets the more software it gets. People argue that there is no software and not switch, making the cycle closed. As more people use linux, the development team will be forced to port their apps for profit. It's a simple cycle that needs a entry point. Take the steam deck for example. Since it's release, linux got the support for 1000s of games because it attracted users.

[@barisahabdikadir3150]

If the linux market share suddenly enters a period of unexpected growth at the end of 2025,bibwonder what mucrosoft will do.

[@bigempty]

I built a brand new top shelf gaming pc this year. It more than meets the requirements to run 11 but I have not seen one single compelling argument to make me want to switch away from 10. In fact most of the new interface changes and quality of life un-improvements make me want to avoid 11 altogether. Like I'm actively trying to find a good reason to "upgrade" to 11 just so I don't have to worry about 10 losing support but, christ! Nothing about 11 is apealing to me!

[@benwillis124]

I had been running a dinosaur Dell XPS8300 since about 2010, and while it was a little slow, I was perfectly happy with it. Then recently it started having problems, I decided it was finally time to upgrade, so ended up buying a Dell Inspiron 3020, a very modest machine, but light-years beyond what I was running. And yes, it came bundled with Win 11. With a few tweaks, I'm actually very happy with it. Don't get me wrong, I upgraded out of need to get a new machine, and ended up with 11, but it's not bad. Of course, not much to make me say "oh wow 11 is awesome!" it's more of a slightly better 10. Certainly no compelling reason to upgrade 10 to 11 if you don't want to, aside from the EOL issue.

[@johnreissiger4043]

If you have all versions of Windows up to current it should not matter and Linux is great too for games even below Windows xp. Such as Windows 98 as an example most you can burn to DVD-R discs. The choice is yours. 🎉

[@n646n]

Auto HDR and the HDR calibration app is a massive improvement over 10's blinding HDR.

[@csch92]

Auto hdr was it for me. And it runs fine

[@k.c1126]

This. I saw an early rollout teaser video, and everything about 11 is the opposite of what I want as a user. They just keep taking more and more control out of my hands, and I hate that.

[@PKM1010]

I'm hoping Linux will be a properly viable option for most gamers by then, it's already pretty good but I wouldn't recommend it to most casual users yet, even though I daily drive it.

[@gokublack8342]

It just comes down to getting right distro imo I've been using Nobara and it's been great I made things a little harder on myself trying to be a min maxer but for most ppl it would've worked with little to no set up I've only met 1 game I couldn't play and that was because of anti cheat not because of anything performance related if anything some games perform better on Linux + Proton than Windows

[@greevar]

@@gokublack8342 EAC is poison.

[@gokublack8342]

@@greevar Their whole thing of blocking Linux by default unless game devs opt out is kind of silly too it should be the opposite

[@cactusjackNV]

Says Linux fanboys since time began. And still isn't viable...

[@gokublack8342]

@@cactusjackNV it's perfectly viable I think your info is out of date

[@Ilikeoreos47]

"Windows 10 will be the last version on Windows" -Microsoft, 2015

[@daddadification]

windows server getting upto 2031 end of life making server last longer than their users about 8 years update

[@Gamerad360]

Yeah, it will be your last version of windows, switch to Linux.

[@daddadification]

@@Gamerad360 sadly I can stay until 8 years later and still be windows How remember when people need anti-viruses I disable every thing that could save me I still feel safe even if is disabled is mostly the anti-virus and only chrome itself has ad-blockers

[@Gamerad360]

@@daddadification Could you rephrase? Linux is safer due to a lack of vulnerabilities, Vulnerabilities is what what makes windows dangerous without anti-virus.

[@daddadification]

@@Gamerad360 they made it really easy to hack I reseted my PC password in 5 mins because of linux just unlock my admin account without really much work ------------------------------------------- and I still has no anti-virus even windows built-in is not even enable about 7 years ago I was hacked than now really nothing to worry about ------------------------------------------- Vulnerabilities are mostly everything rushed or underpaid or outdated software take Edge - what does it looks like there Icon

[@Somethingsomethingyoutube]

I never asked for AI, I am so sick of how universally embraced AI is by big tech. What ever, it is good for productivity. I use my computer for fun, not efficiency.