Windshear and Wake Turbulence Avoidance

[@k9s4conservation65]

My first solo out of the pattern, I returned to Allegheny County Airport and tower told me, "You are number 2 for landing behind the B-17 on short final. Caution wake turbulence!" Pretty incredible to watch that B-17 come in ahead of me and I was DEFINITELY cautious of wake turbulence!

[@drnathan23]

23/23 As a 24 year paramedic, I am sorry for your loss. I HATE to hear these stories. Even though I am not a certified pilot, I enjoy your videos GREATLY! Thank YOU for your service.

[@davidcole333]

23/23 Jason, I'm thankful you did this video. It's imperative that we as pilots understand that the things we learn can and will save our lives. Aviation can quickly turn into a deadly serious business and we have to always have that in the back of our mind.

[@jeffconstantine4341]

23/23. Heart breaking story. So sorry for your loss and thank you for your service to the aviation community with these videos. I’ve learned a ton and we’ve got 8 more to go!

[@mikee.3638]

I learned to fly at San Jose International in a Warrior, paid attention to wake turbulence from the very beginning of my training. Landed behind airliners frequently. Always did a go-around behind any Jumbo or 757 for sure! 23/23

[@heathjarvis2362]

23 for 23. This kind of information is invaluable. My father is a very experienced and knowledgeable corporate pilot who once told me that the ONLY scenario that ever made him crash the simulator was wind shear. If we can avoid it, we won't have to fly out of it. Keep in mind that wingtip vortices typically descend at the rate of 300-500 fpm. So even if a go-around airplane passed by 30-60 seconds ago at an altitude of a few hundred feet, you may have to wait before his wake hits you. Also, if the wingtip vortex of a large aircraft is larger than the wingspan of the plane you're flying, there's NOTHING you can do to fly out of it, because the swirling air you are flying in has completely encompassed the airplane. In those cases, it is sometimes recommended to actually roll INTO the direction of the uncontrolled roll in order to complete the roll faster and get back to straight and level flight. Here are some great videos about wake turbulence and wind shear. A Challenger 604 at cruise altitude rolled after encountering the wake of an Airbus A380 flying 1,000 feet higher on the same airway: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqci3t4h8hlr7M Single engine plane takes off behind Antonov AN-2 and rolls in their vortex just after becoming airborne: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaXUoGWDptaXos0 Cessna 120 encounter helicopter wake turbulence on landing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qouviYCBgsyhiZo Beechcraft Bonanza encounters wake turbulence from a Ford Trimotor during landing at Oshkosh: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZmWqJ6cecR1gNk Glider towers and gliders during a microburst event: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJC6np2Ndqyegqs

[@cbcyouthministry2508]

23 of 23! Never apologize for making us safer pilots! Appreciate you!

[@Richard-mo1nc]

23/23. The length at discussing about windshear and wake turbulance should not be compromised. I listened to this topic attentively because we all need to understand the hazards and real accidents that happened from turbulence so we can make better decisions to avoid it and be safer. I'm going review that chapter in the AIM you've suggested before going to sleep.

[@bsqueakygmail]

23/23 outstanding content. We really appreciate it. Thanks for all you do!

[@SKEE2112]

Jason, thanks for the further instruction regard shear and wake turbulence. I am a visual learner, for the most part, and watching this video has just given me a wealth of info. I am picking up where I left off 20 years ago in obtaining my PPL flying out of KFMY, where we experience shifting winds and occasional shear at ground level often, especially with inbound weather fronts, and T-storms daily in the summer. I love your videos and the way you present the information. Thanks again. Keep it straight and level.

[@drcode4]

So sorry for the loss of your good friend. Wake turbulence is no joke and I always thought helicopters only created wake turbulence straight down, but only recently did I learn the truth about how helicopters create wake turbulence behind them off the tips of their blades like an airplane. Thank you for this great reminder and God bless Charlie. Hopefully his misfortune will save a life. 23 for 23 Jason. Thanks again.

[@marsgal42]

23 out of 23. My only wake turbulence encounter was misjudging my turn to final after a 1900D. When I felt the uncommanded roll I knew exactly what was happening and went around.

[@keithluce6825]

23/23. We had 40kt wind shear 1500AGL locally yesterday afternoon for a short time. No bueno.

[@kurtreber9813]

23423! I remember flying back from training area with my instructor (30 years ago) and without ANY WARNING OR OTHER AIRCRAFT we went from S&L to nose down in an instant. Rare, but It can happen ANYwhere at ANYtime. Will you be ready for it?

[@matteovinci83]

23 for 23, crucial information, fly safely, be aware, weather, windshear, turbulence etc....they are going to do what they are going to do...be prepared... shame to hear about what happened.

[@jediguy634]

Great lesson as always. Experienced en-route wake turbulence during my initial flight training over the deserts of AZ. Instructor and me in a C172 at cruise speed @ about 8000 ft. We get a call from ATC flight following "Skyhawk XXX, 2 fast movers approaching from your 6 o'clock. Maintain altitude and heading." Not 30 seconds later 2 F-15's screamed right above us, gave our little 172 a shake.

[@greglong1492]

23 for 23. Thanks for the great instruction. I'm enjoying all of these videos.

[@captbobstclare4976]

23/23. Enroute wake turbulence is what concerns me most. Our home airport is close to Boston so I’m constantly eyeing approaching/descending traffic.

[@ericolson5352]

23/23 I was glad you touched on wind shear regarding having an airliner pass overhead while enroute. About 5-7 years ago I was southbound in my C-150 @ 3000 MSL, an airliner was descending while northbound and approximately 1000 feet above me. The airliner was going to be landing at KPDX, I was heading to Woodburn, OR for my annual fly over the tulip fields. We were perfectly lined up, me southbound, airliner northbound, 1000 foot separation. I was very concerned about wake turbulence, flying into the airliners’ descending wake. I felt I had nowhere to go. Make a turn left or right, I would still run into the turbulence. I pictured the wake descending and moving outward. So, I elected to stay my course and hope I was correct. It worked out well, I never felt even a bump. But, I have always wondered: Did I make the right call, Just get lucky or Was I concerned over nothing?

[@foxfire212000]

23/23 Sorry to hear that about your friend. The same thing happened to my dentist about 10 years back. Your videos are amazing. I enjoy every minute of them. I'm still a student pilot getting ready for my checkride this month. Today, 1/23/2023, I experienced wake turbulence from a larger aircraft. I was in downwind about to land on 35. He was west of me in a twin engine beachcraft. He was booking. He reported 3 miles to join left downwind. I was trying to remember what to do. I said to myself. He's going to drop flaps soon, and he's going to be dirty. I can't outrun him, lol, but I have to give him the right away. I saw him on my left wing. He turn downwind early same altitude. So, I extended my downwind and stayed at a higher altitude. But I had to watch my altitude and distance because my airpirt is in the outer ring of class C at 1,700 and the class C airspace ,G/17, is in front of me about 2 miles. So, I slowed down. I had to remember his wake. (The wind was blowing variable @3kts.) So, I turned base and stayed above his glad path and landed safely. I did feel a little of his wake, but it was very faint. Watching your videos and studying does pay off. I hope many pilots do the same. My instructor and you, Jason, are amazing. When I was doing my mock checkride, another instructor said, "You know more than the other students. How is that?" I told him that I follow MZEROA, and I learned a lot. I said, "A good pilot is always learning." Thanks for the videos.

[@KH-wf7bq]

23423, I have to be automatically prepared to put in crosswind corrections experiencing wind shear on approach, over trees on a short field. luckily we’ve transitioned from Right traffic to Left 🙏🏾

[@CBond-oj3rd]

23/23!! Thanks for all your WORK on these! Makes me look forward to getting up! I suggest a 365 day series??? HaHa. Cliff

[@pjsministry7316]

You have outdid yourself. Verysorry to hear about your friend, but maybe, just maybe, as a result of his terrible accident, may Lives have been saved. Great job, thank you Billy - N99601

[@jimbiller9682]

23/23 sorry for your loss Jason. It's tough sometimes to keep going. Best thing is faith and cling tight to those who remain. Unfortunately, I say that from experience...too much experience saying good bye lately.

[@stephenbrown7809]

24 out of 24. Experience helps with all of these unusual occurrences. GA pilots need to use caution to everything and anything, always be ready to go around, and always be ready to cancel your flight. A GA airplane is just an aluminum trash can with wings doing 100 mph through the sky… with you and your friends (or family) inside.

[@user-tx5sp2tg2w]

23 for 23. This video could be life saving information. Watched more than once, amazing 👏🏻

[@brucecuratola6389]

23/23 and finally caught up on one of the most challenging topics because you can’t see it! My route took me perpendicular under a departing 737 several thousand above me. My instructor said to expect wake turbulence! No way, I thought! That wake turbulence shook us around a bit several minutes after he passed!

[@ivanstrydom8417]

Damn superb video sir. Helping a lot with my understanding of all the complexities of flight.

[@martygenska8117]

#23; what a sobering video. Thanks! I was always taught to always keep my right hand on the throttle. I can still remember my instructor slapping my hand off when I was practicing simulated engine failure.

[@tonyg4161]

My "windshear" experience happened on final to Rwy 21 in Prescott, AZ way back as a student pilot. A vortex (dust devil) formed in front of me over the approach end of the runway. The problem with this dust devil was that there was no dust! The only clue was what looked like a small plastic bag that shot across and then straight up in front of me. Luckily, I was in and out of it in a second, but it yawed the aircraft enough that I had to go-around. Scary stuff, but SO important to learn! Thanks Jason.

[@BraulioUrbina]

23/23 I pray Charlie is enjoying eternal rest with God and may all pilots be protected from such accidents. 🙏🏻

[@RavenOryon]

23 of 23. Thankfully haven't encountered this YE sorry for the loss of your friend Jason.

[@jonmitchell5266]

23 for 23. I am sorry for your loss, as a police officer and student pilot, these are always hard to talk about. Thank you for covering this, as my instructor and I haven’t discussed this yet.

[@duanebradner5878]

Happened to me. At Grissom AFB Indiana as a student pilot in solo flight. A KC135 was doing touch and goes while I was in the pattern. Hot summer day with no wind. I advised the tower I was extending my downwind to allow more time for wake turbulence. Tower approved. On short final it hit me. Left wing and nose went down and all I saw was the approach end. Maybe because I was worried about it I don't know. I slammed the throttle full and pulled back on the yoke. I will never know how close I came but the tower said close. Control tower guy was one of our instructor pilots. As soon as I regained control I called tower I was going around. His response was "we saw you 15 Foxtrot". Wake turbulence is real. Just ask me.

[@BrittneeDrummer]

23/23! Honestly did not know of the 3 minute rule. I’ve experience mid level shear in a Baron. That was a weird uneasy feeling. Low level with my second pax ever. C150 at idle blazing ground speed sinking. I did like you said and put in a couple degrees at a time bank until out of it. That was very nerve racking. Thanks for sharing all of that info Jason

[@PhantomFlying707]

23/23. Jason and MZeroA team- thank you for sharing this. I'm sure it was difficult, but I had not heard about this incident and I appreciate turning this tragic event into a learning situation. I have been good about watching the take off/landing spots of larger aircraft since there are commercial flights at my home airport, but I hadn't thought much about the glide path. I did try to look up the NTSB report on this and was unsure how to find it. Would you direct me on how to search for it? Thank you.

[@larrybeckley8978]

23 for 23. Great video, Jason I like your comment on the three minute rule I didn’t realize that. Thanks for all your effort.😊

[@jiteanomi4092]

23/23. I'm so sorry for your loss Jason. This account is a typical confirmation of why you repeatedly say "Humble yourself in aviation or aviation will humble you", I use to underestimate the effect of wake turbulence until I saw the kind of vortices generated when a small training aircraft flew through smoke to demonstrate this. The picture of the swirling smoke fumes imprinted a permanent picture of how large and dangerous the wake of larger aircrafts especially the "Heavies" would be. I also believe after heavies, Helos should be next in the categories of aircraft to beware of. I've seen a clip of how a plane spiraled out of control and crashed during takeoff when it flew through the wake of a helo that just landed, turned off the runway and was hovering at a taxiway. It happened so fast the pilot of the plane wasn't expecting what happened. Even I was in shock. I so much appreciate today's discussion, I sincerely hope the lessons of the Safer Pilot Challenge will shape us to become smarter and safer pilots. thank you Jason.

[@briandavis9245]

23/23. It's always hard to hear stories like these, but they are extremely effective reminders and lessons. Thanks Jason!

[@junetebarts1334]

23 for 23 - this was such a great video! I always wondered what was a good number to wait to take off behind a jet (but haven't been in that situation yet). I will ask for 3 minutes if I ever am. Also have had some crazy windshear experiences.

[@msgruenbaum]

23/23. Great somber reminder on the importance of wake turbulence avoidance. So sorry for your loss 😢

[@aleixparis6586]

23/23. I'm sorry for your loss. Thanks for the outsanding video, one of the most informative of the series.

[@Kervalen1]

23/23. So sorry for your loss of a good pilot and good friend. There was a similar accident with a light plane at nearby KSNA when they encountered wake turbulence following a heavy jet on short final. Thank you for this important reminder to always be ready to go around if wind shear or wake turbulence is suspected or encountered.

[@taketothesky65]

23 for 23 I had a wake turbulence event turning base to final after 2 mile extended downwind for inbound citation. It surprised me and my CFI, as by all standards, it should not have been there. Nice, cool, calm night, and there it was. Handled it successfully and learned a valuable lesson about extending the full 3 minutes before turning in.

[@oldlineaviation2830]

Don't be sorry. I'm about 4 hours flight time from my Sport Pilot check ride. This was a huge help.

[@ericdahl5146]

@MzeroA Flight Training - If you are on a parallel runway and a larger aircraft is taking off on the runway next to you, are you still able to use the 3 min rule?

[@boogerwood]

EXCELLENT video. “[My] 3 minutes” is a mantra I’ll take with me. I don’t fly often out of a C or with big aircraft. The key is “often”. I DO occasionally. Thanks for this and the entire series and your entire channel. You’ve been a blessing during my PPL journey.

[@justplanefred]

I'm current! (I don't always see the videos the day they come out bit I catch up to keep current) Trying to learn what I can even before I start training while I prepare to fight the good fight to pass my medical first...

[@migueldana9561]

Quick story I took off once Airport behind a big jet was very busy. I had pressure taking off quick. Did everything possible to see me out of this wake almost finished it I learned something today I can ask for three minutes

[@KingTiggerTank]

23/23. What I took away…be ready for as many bad things too happen as you can, but I add my own bit….don’t be paranoid.

[@mileshighclub5993]

23/23 2nd year I have watched this series. great stuff. Thank you.

[@gitto3654]

I've met someone who just about lost an atr72 due to an a320 wake turbulence on take off. This was a commercial flight and he says he doesn't know how he is alive. Told me to never take the wake turbulence.

[@davidklassen2805]

23/23 i missed yesterday’s video but I’m caught up again!

[@edroman2042]

23/23. Thanks for teaching and sharing. Sorry for your loss.

[@mickyxz]

23/23 Thanks for this, Jason; a touching and important message.

[@jrholand]

some good reminders on wake turbulence and I was NOT aware of the "3 minute" rule. I have just asked to hold in the past and only once have I been to to expedite my take off due to inbound traffic.

[@familyfriendfly7864]

I have not experienced anything other than horizontal wind shear and don’t want to. Just wondering if large commercial aircraft could be equipped with some kind of smoke device to be used on final approach to give a visual indicator of their wake?

[@kevin4sambos119]

23/4/23; very sad of the accident, but we all must please learn from it for preventing it to happen to any of us ❤

[@herberts.8700]

23/23 very good information. As a PPL Student your videos are a life saver

[@dekky111]

23/23 Great reminders. Hit my head on the canopy in cruise flight once. I never did see the aircraft causing the wake. Be aware.

[@seemakhan1773]

23/23. This is the only fear makes me want to quit flying but I love flying too.

[@vkulli]

23/23 Somber but important lesson today, thanks.

[@Fiftyx60]

23/23 after catching up from the weekend. NOW, off to do the homework!

[@adaml.8300]

If you’re on 36R and taking off behind a large jet who took off from 36L, am I still allowed to ask for 3 minutes?

[@tejloro]

23/23! Went out to practice some instrument approaches this morning and got some actual IMC as a bonus!

[@roger7790]

23/23: excellent reminder about wake turbulence and wind shear

[@johnelliott4521]

As a student pilot while holding short of runway wingtip vortices hit plane in font of me blowing it over I was facing into vortice and managed to stay intact. Once angered atc because I insisted on 3 mile seperation behind heavy hauler. Like hitting a toronado. Sorry to hear of your loss

[@joshua.shinavier]

23/23 in 2023. Stories like this are hard to hear, but I think it is important to remember that this activity we love has its risks. Best way to avoid them is to keep learning!

[@BobAmarel]

23 for 23 Very sad story and sorry for your loss. Thank you however for using it as a teaching tool to show that someone can be a good pilot and still get in serious trouble very quickly by not paying sufficient attention to everything concerning the flight.

[@statecb]

All caught up! I always come away from these videos with great reminders and new things to work on.

[@terrycarson6242]

23 for 23, turbulence happened to a friend of mine as he followed me out as we were practicing pattern work. He was not hurt but it got our attention and we are believers. This happened with a c172 and a debonair on a summer afternoon.

[@stevenrynski1107]

23/23! I felt wake turbulence from a helicopter once!

[@dannycook484]

23/23 Sorry to hear about your friend! Thanks for the videos.

[@jimmyp83]

Sorry to hear about the loss of your good mate. Tragic. Wind is a great topic to always keep in mind.

[@samparish1955]

Great job Jason, Yep 23 for 23 and all caught up!

[@19ij]

23/23 thank you that you shared personal story. It's better to learn on other people mistakes then your own.

[@aidanduffy1593]

Ive been trying to watch your videos every day, I have a couple to catch up on. Great videos!

[@cn9936]

Catching up Jason catching up great video not somber at all

[@josephschenk2631]

23/23. Sorry for the loss of your friend. Thankful to learn from your loss.

[@matthewhenson7898]

One of the best videos you've made! Thank you very much!

[@erniekelly2479]

23X23. So sorry for the loss of your friend. Good lesson. Thanks.

[@stephenstead7270]

How do i join this ground training School can someone help me please thank you

[@jeffburcham9543]

I enjoy your videos. Been Flying for about a year and its nice to see a great understanding of each case senecio. Thank you

[@ranjrog]

23 for 23! Another great topic. Thank you!

[@novartec]

23 for 23, great topic and great video, thanks

[@stevendouglas8144]

23/23! Thank you Jason for the fantastic info!

[@cassbiz]

23/23. Great Review of the basics

[@davidbaumgartner7215]

23-23. Thank you and sorry for the loss of your friend.

[@themaverickproject4577]

This is one of the most interesting and important episodes you've done.

[@peckea93]

23/23. Thank you for that video.

[@billyarpe8794]

23 for 23, flew into a front, never forget that experience.

[@jd88x89]

23/23. It is somber but it’s a lesson to be learned from

[@michelviso4705]

23/23 Sad story but great lesson..

[@AndrewChronisterTV]

23/23. Thanks for the video.

[@sagewarrior5352]

Caught up to 23 for 23. Thank you Brother!

[@biggysmalls7096]

23\23 sorry for your lost. True aviationer

[@remigiuszbloch]

that sad music was too loud, very hard to hear what you wher saying

[@mikeholley8307]

23 for 23 like your presentations

[@timypaul]

23 for 23 so pertinent! thank you!

[@loupitou06fl]

23/23. Thanks for sharing this story