Windsurf Editor TUTORIAL // Better than Cursor? (yes)

[@codeswithai]

ALSO--I built an AI girlfriend with Windsurf kzbin.info/www/bejne/m56rl4ZsaNyMsNE

[@KennyPowers-dx3mz]

Me too but I was friend zoned on the first init

[@highpriestofseti]

Last time i coded was in the commodore amiga 500, so after all these years, i succesfully made a windows program with windsurf.

[@WarLooch]

Don’t forget the undo button. Even if you’ve accepted changes and have gone down a bad road for a half hour of changes, you can scroll back through the chat, mouse over a comment you made and click the undo button and ALL code changes will revert to that exact moment in time. Very handy. I use it more often than I should admit.

[@codeswithai]

SUPER useful, and I haven't used that yet! Thank you!

[@WarLooch]

@@codeswithai I should clarify where it REALLY comes in handy: Where it really shines is times when you ask it to undo the last action, but cascade will often undo, but with changes anyway. However the undo button is an actual undo.

[@tomgreen8246]

Love Windsurf. They are called Workflows due to the Agentic Flow feature... the Agent is essentially following your chain of thought for that specific workflow. E.g. I have restarted 1 project 4 times; its a very complex Phidata agentic framework that I need to be set up absolutely perfectly... and the Agent in Windsurf has LEARNED what my requirements are, and made multiple recommendations about how to implement the project that - frankly - I'd have never thought of, yet made the program significantly better. This thing is worth its weight in gold. I upgraded to a Team license literally to support them.

[@codeswithai]

Super interesting. Do you know if that "knowledge" carried forward into new 'conversations'?

[@TNCYKR]

Thank you for your explanatory and beautiful presentation i will closely follow this channel that i discovered by chance and will eagerly await your new videos thank you.

[@codeswithai]

Welcome aboard!

[@EricVida]

Very good for just frontend. Authentication and backend is a mess. It breaks things as it fixes others. Same issue as bolt.new. Maybe it’s because ai still has too small context for codebase awareness. It might work better if the project is small and simple. Maybe i don’t know how to prompt it for long projects, but it shows it hasn’t replaced devs yet. With that’s said, it’s the best I’ve seen. The chat is great.

[@codeswithai]

Agreed and agreed. Haven't tried bolt.net yet, that's next!

[@jaysonp9426]

In my experience so far, I'm sticking with cursor. No ability to use o1 or add images. I'm also finding that cursor is better at knowing the codebase...even though people are claiming that windsurf is better at this.

[@codeswithai]

Didn't realize they didn't offer o1 access yet. Interesting. I also think Cursor is currently better at inline suggestions, autocomplete, etc

[@vyacheslavtarshevskiy3411]

Agree, autocomplete is terrible compared to cursor

[@Sub-zero0]

Using both curser & windsurf so far curser is the best

[@sLavoncheg]

agree

[@ilianos]

can you say why?

[@sLavoncheg]

@@ilianos In my opinion, the implementation is still quite weak, even with a paid PRO period, comparable to Cursor. I share my experience using both IDEs based on the Claude 3.5 Sonnet model Cons: When you directly specify a folder for the context, it selects only partial files and does not see everything else, even when you specifically ask it to analyze all the files in the folder, so the context is very broken. Autocomplete is very poorly implemented compared to Cursor, and also offers very stupid autocompletes, for example, deleting working pieces of code that the question had nothing to do with. It often hallucinates, supplementing the code with non-existent pieces of code that have nothing to do with logic at all and creates incorrect imports or non-existent ones at all. There is no or I did not find a setting specifically for Codeium AI, where you can set a prompt instruction, for example, answer in a certain language, etc. This is strange, because when installing Codeium AI as a separate extension in VS Code, these settings are present. There is no option to select beta features, such as greater context, like in Cursor in 200k, using Claude. I am willing to pay much more than $10+ for such additional features. Pros: Has very good potential due to the use of searching for specific files through imports for better context, but this needs improvement for now. No bugs, like in Cursor, with loss of context when pasting parts of code directly into the chat. Summary: So far, a very raw product that needs significant improvements, but has good potential due to specific search by project. Overall, I would like to say that I like it, but there are still many minuses. I would like to have beta features such as greater context or analysis of all files in a specified directory, not just those that it chooses itself. I will follow the product from time to time and wish the developers success.

[@augmentos]

How so?

[@sLavoncheg]

@@augmentos ​ @ilianos IDE shows potential with its smart file search and stable code-pasting functionality, but currently falls short on core features. Main issues include incomplete folder scanning, unreliable autocomplete, and incorrect code suggestions. Lacks essential customization options and expanded context limits available in competing tools like Cursor. While the foundation is promising, substantial improvements are needed.

[@haryormedayjoshua281]

Definitely giving this a try. Love Codeium, so I think this might be great too

[@codeswithai]

I dig the cut of their jib. (gib?)

[@antoniofuller2331]

One you know Git and Github you're automatically an expert coder

[@vyacheslavtarshevskiy3411]

IDE shows potential with its smart file search and stable code-pasting functionality, but currently falls short on core features. Main issues include incomplete folder scanning, unreliable autocomplete, and incorrect code suggestions. Lacks essential customization options and expanded context limits available in competing tools like Cursor. While the foundation is promising, substantial improvements are needed.

[@aculz]

yes cursor is better but the price also 2x from windsurf. so i think i will take the cheapest , im sure they will improve this a lot later

[@codeswithai]

Fair point as well.

[@KennyPowers-dx3mz]

Hey man, thanks for the demo - feedback since channel seems new: maybe its just me but I got the feeling you are a bit stressed, maybe try to chill a bit. Maybe its just me projecting 🙂 Anyways imma go make Cursor jealous

[@codeswithai]

Ha! Well you're not wrong. Good news is that it's not this YT channel at least 😉 (it's my 5th YT channel and actually feels like a BREAK from the stress parts of life)

[@HookedGoneSunk]

cursor can do that codebase.. better than windsurf

[@cpakken]

I love your vscode theme. What are you using?

[@codeswithai]

"Dark High Contrast"

[@Haven_games]

How was voice to text enabled in windsurf? I have a bare installation and can't figure out what's required besides the CTRL+V shown

[@codeswithai]

It's a 3rd party Mac app! Nothing to do with Windsurf/Codeium. I use Better Dictation, but there are a few out there these days.

[@Haven_games]

@@codeswithai Thanks! When/if it gets built into Windsurf and be able to verbally accept the suggestions and not require keystrokes, it'll truly be a Tony Stark moment

[@ohiduzzamansiam]

The main problem with Windsurf is compared to Cursor that it can't read docs or something from the link but the Cursor does.

[@codeswithai]

Hard agree! It's so useful to just copy/paste a link into Cursor.

[@gnsdgabriel]

Is the voice to text a Windsurf feature or something else?

[@codeswithai]

Better Dictation! There are a few of these out these days, but this one was a one-time fee.

[@ChadGauthier]

Using AI to write more text than a github command to cut a branch 4:58 😅

[@codeswithai]

This is the way.

[@diesunddas405]

I have a problem using the chat in windsurf. I tried to apply changes by clicking on "Apply" in the chat but I constanly get this error irrespective of the file: "File has been modified since edit was generated. Cannot apply contents" Any ideas?

[@codeswithai]

My default is just to copy my prompt, start a new chat (or whatever they're calling it these days), and start again. It's a bit frustrating, but that's the case with all the AI editors I've tried.

[@vyacheslavtarshevskiy3411]

Just reload window with cmd shift p

[@diesunddas405]

@vyacheslavtarshevskiy3411 to open the Command Palette? Why?

[@sLavoncheg]

@@diesunddas405open and write ‘reload window’

[@1337bitcoin]

Does no one in these AI companies use CMD+L to select lines for code?!?! It's one of my most used shortcuts, and is standard across sublime, vscode, Jupyter, BigQuery, and many other editors. Why do they keep hijacking this?!?

[@codeswithai]

I used to do this, too! ha. At some point I shifted (pun intended) to triple-clicking lines and then shift-clicking where I wanted to stop. Def slower and I have no idea why I do that now.

[@Gabriel-ch7sx]

How good is it when writing Svelte 5 code?

[@BruhBubble]

As good as Cursors since it suses claude 3.5 sonnet too but you can change it also to gpt 4o

[@codeswithai]

50/50 (compared to 95/5 for Svelte 4). It gets some of the runes correct, but I was having major issues trying to get it to set up a new SvelteKit project with v5. I didn't get the "npm create" vs "npx sv" changes, for example.

[@ninjaxae]

Image Chatting Is Not there in Windserf but it is there in cursor

[@codeswithai]

Correctomundo

[@aghileslounis]

Nothing works from the start : - doesn't import vscode settings properly - doesn't import extension settings - doesn't import keybinds - doesn't have an "apply" from chat directly, you need to copy or insert at cursor WTF are you kidding me, like really??? - inconsistent, never does what it says it will do

[@codeswithai]

This hasn't been my experience, for the most part. Migration = you might inform their team what settings didn't carry over! They'd want to hear that. Apply from chat = mine does (when the AI doesn't automatically do it, it usually TELLS me that and then offers the ability to copy/insert Keybinds = totally with you. It's annoying.

[@RobBominaar]

It would be a lot more informative if you started with an empty startup instead of this bloated cluster of files and folders.

[@mik3lang3lo]

😂😂😂

[@codeswithai]

How so?