Winterfell's Secret Targaryen Tomb! - Game of Thrones

[@yanniszaxaro]

I still believe that Maester Aemon knew or felt that "Jon" was one of his own and protected him in the wall. He grew up in King's Landing after all

[@TalkingThrones]

I believe so too

[@aclaudiapaixao]

Only Jon knew nothing?

[@orsolyapamer3481]

I don't think, Maester Aemon knew, he just liked Jon genetically. Mance could knew, who is Jon if Mance is really Rhaegar. Mormont, well... Show Mormont did not know, surely. But in the books he could have suspected something. The raven has screamed once King, king, something connected to Jon, while Jon was there talking with the Old Bear. And the Old bear looked very much considering the raven's word for Jon... Who could he be...

[@moerawineti4636]

I think Aemon knew who Jon Snow was too. He may have had a new calling but you never forget blood.....besides he knew exactly what happened to his family.....he told Jon as much in their conversation, which allowed Jon to puzzle out Aemon real identity ....why wouldnt Aemon know about Jon parentage? Why would he groom, advise or protect Jon, if he didn't know key info?

[@shaniheartley5495]

Agreed, I think he could tell that he was a Targaryen too. in the blood. Also he was a Maester, and they keep the history of the world. So I can see his brother or fam telling him. Also isn't Castle Black closest to Winterfell than another of big kindom/house? I also think that Sam will read about it at the Citadel. If R+L did actually get married in secret, which not sure how since his wife was Ellia, unless they did it after the Mountain killed her, which is kinda foul, but anyways.. then they might have sent word there.

[@erod19969]

Dunk and egg tales say that all taegaryen get a dragon egg at birth. Dany got rehgar's, viserie's, and her dragon egg. There is Jon's egg in Lyanna's tomb.

[@dbg0206091]

Great Point!

[@Chief-Remeldian-Olympus]

All the Stark children got dire wolves so why can't Jon have his own dragon egg

[@ceciliamiller975]

@@Chief-Remeldian-Olympus Groovy

[@emintey]

Targareyns were dead or exiled when Jon was born, there was no one to give Jon or Lyanna an egg.

[@mafuaresture2643]

What if the Jon's dragon really had three heads on one body

[@orsolyapamer3481]

Anyway: I think it too, that something is hidden in Lyanna's tomb (Lyanna's wedding robe with Stark and Targaryen sigils, Dawn, Rhaegar's harp or the sheet of Song of Ice and Fire, to Jon). But Jon goes more deep in his frightening dreams, as well as Bran does. I think, something is in the deep, among the old Kings of Winter. Think about it: Brandon the Builder has built the Wall (against the Walkers, not the wildlings), built Winterfell, with the crypts, founded House STark with the motto: Winter is coming and all the dead Starks are burying there in the crypts, back to 8000 years (30000men? or statue with direwolves? or undead fighters?). Those dead Starks are all waiting for Winter to come there down in the crypts. The question: who will wake them? And who will lead them? Jon has seen them waking up in his dream, maybe he. But Bran would have to ability to mass control bodies or statues, so it can be Bran too. Anyway, I think, Bran is Brandon the Builder. At some point, they have to reopen even the lowest levels of the crypts and searching for the tomb of Brandon the Builder, and I think, they will find it out, that the oldest tomb is directly beneath the heart tree (just like in the 3eyedRaven's cave) and maybe a stone carving with Bran's face in the weirwood tree, which implicates for them, that Bran is truely Brandon the Builder, not in body, but in mind, by warging, or communicating with his ancestrors (like he did with Ned at the ToJ or with Hodor), he has made them to build the Wall, Winterfell, the crypts, the family motto and everything. Probably the whole Stark bloodline of 8000 years will be needed to defeat the Walkers in the end.

[@CaroleS2512]

There was also an event after Ramsay took Winterfell, when Bran and Rickon were hiding near Winterfell, before going north. Bran had warged into Summer, who was out hunting for food, and was looking through Summer's eyes. ACOK, 718. "The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame. He bared his teeth, but then the snake was gone," Given that Winterfell has hot springs, which produce enough hot water to heat the castle, I would not be surprised that a dragon could be living there. There were previous rumours that the dragon Vermax had laid a clutch of eggs below Winterfell. The heat from the hot waters could very well have made at least one egg hatch. A theory on Reddit states that when Jon was born, he was given a dragon egg, as was customary with the Targeryens. Ned took Jon and the egg back to Winterfell, and placed it in the crypts. When Dany's dragons were hatched, the magic reappeared in the world, and Jon's egg was finally able to hatch. The dragon Bran saw was Jon's dragon, according to the post. Of course, it could be more metaphorical, in that JON himself is a dragon.

[@wildfire160]

theres a lot i like here...i think some of your ideas might be right, i actually like the idea of an undead army made up of the kings of the north/starks of winterfell a lot of them buried with their valerian steel swords rising to fight against the white walkers...

[@jamescthompson4972]

i like this theory ....abit of a twist of Tolkien's army of the dead in return of the king

[@haiderabbas6919]

Orsolya Pámer very interesting theory 👍😯

[@timothycrystal2623]

It's the Statue... there is something wrong with it. First, it is very rare for a statue to be made for someone who was not a lord of Winterfel. Everyone who looks at it says that it is Lyanna, because it is obviously her tomb, so who else would it be? But it is not her... I've never read the books, so I have only the show to go on for this idea, but... During a particularly candid conversation between Robert and Cersei, they were discussing Lyanna. Robert confessed to her that it bothers him that he cannot even remember what she looked like. This happened after he had gone to her tomb and stood in front of the statue. So, why would he say he can't remember what she looked like shortly after seeing her statue? Is it because the statue does not look the way he remembered Lyanna looking? There is something unusual about the statue that needs to be revealed. It does not look like Lyanna. If it looked like Rhaegar, then surely Robert would have recognized that as well. So I am not sure what is going to be revealed, but it is probably going to come out in the scene where Jon confronts Little Finger, during the season 7 trailer.

[@JenniferDelRey]

I really hope there is a dragon egg down there. Perhaps we would have a REAL ice dragon.

[@hotel3667]

Yeeeeeesss,, course it would take Jon bout 7 season to grow the damn dragon.And the nights king,,, he would just camp outside Winterfell for 7 years for it to grow so he could fight it?? Or did u mean him finding an egg at the end, when half the kingdoms been destroyed and all his friends are dead?

[@barb4930]

Wouldn't it be awesome if they got Sean Bean to come back for the big reveal? Maybe late in season 7 or in season 8. Jon finally makes his way down to the crypts and Ned is there waiting there for Jon, to tell him all about his mother, like he promised. I know it probably wouldn't happen, but my god.... Ned? Back on GOT????? That would be amazeballs!!!!!!

[@TalkingThrones]

That would break the Internet lol

[@cougarrain]

Barb Sommers Wow i thought the same thing💖

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

or some kind of flasgback - that would be epic

[@TheMoonRabbit27]

That would be so awesome! Let us hope so.

[@robertevans8337]

JON COULD HAVE A FEVER DREAM WITH NED IN IT!!!

[@doriancrown405]

One of things that are saved under Winterfell for Jon is his father's sword and his father's dragon. He will find a letter explaining his parents marriage plus he will find the harp and when he touches it, he will play a sound and it will awaken his father's dragon.

[@Beraksekebon21]

Lol

[@cerscil]

That would be kind of cool. Impractical...but cool

[@ashleyofnaath]

I find it highly likely that Ned would've had a grave made for Jon, and an inscription of his name and parent's names on it, with an approximate birth date. We know from Arya's convo w/Tywin that Stonemason's couldn't read. So the secret would still be safe. Plus, with regards to breaking tradition, Ned broke tradition by burying Lyanna in the crypts. I don't know that he'd get too choked up about doing it a second time. Especially if it was done to honor Lyanna. If we examine the Azor Ahai prophecy, someone is supposed to be reborn to wake dragons from stone. A lot of times in the books, when a dragon is supposed to hatch, we instead get a Targaryen birth, or confirmation of someone being a Targaryen. If Jon found out about himself from a tombstone, he would wake a dragon (himself) from stone (the grave). Bran did see a vision, as summer, of a dragon over Winterfell. I think this foreshadowed Jon's emergence as a Targaryen. Much like how the Blackfyre dreamt a dragon would hatch at White Walls, but what actually happened was Egg revealed himself to be Aegon V Targaryen.

[@TalkingThrones]

Very good and interesting points. Thanks!

[@ashleyofnaath]

Talking Thrones Your videos are some of my favorites. You inspire me with theories for sure.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you so much! Have any interesting ones you wanna discuss?

[@ashleyofnaath]

Talking Thrones Actually yes. Regarding Rhaegar Targaryen. I like a theory that he's not really dead, and is another character. For that to be possible, I have to look at the basis of the theory. Most obviously, we don't know what happened to his body. So that arouses my suspicion. When Robert hit 'Rhaegar', soooo many rubies spewed from his breast plate. And the battle occurred on the Trident, which is part of the Ruby Ford. That's two huge connections to objects which have the power to disguise appearance. Do you think it's an accident? I don't. I think it could be someone glamoured to look like Rhaegar. Also, if Rhaegar was not at the battle, it would explain why Arthur Dayne, LC of the Kingsguard, wasn't there either. I think it's loose evidence for sure, but enough is there I think for Rhaegar to be alive parading about as someone else.

[@ashleyofnaath]

who I think Rhaegar is, that's a whole separate theory on its own. Do you think there's enough evidence for the foundation of this theory?

[@shaniheartley5495]

Do you think that Rhaegar left a dragon egg? in the crypt and that is why Jon keeps having the dreams? Don't Targaryens have dreams about Dragons? The bond of the dragon and their Targaryen starts at birth, they put the eggs in the crib.

[@MaggieValera]

It's a popular theory regarding Lyanna's tomb but I find it hard to believe that Ned would leave clues inside or around Lyanna's tomb that would either being lying about for anyone to discover and put Jon (and Ned) in danger. My personal thinking is that Ned put the clues in his own crypt, in the event that he died before he could tell Jon, to ensure that the secret didn't follow him to the grave. Remember that Howland Reed & company have Ned's bones, they have not made it back to Winterfell yet. Catelyn still needs to lay down and take a nap, Robb's corpse was unrecovered in addition to Rickon needing be laid to rest. It's important to note that Ned broke tradition by putting his sister in the crypt, it was only for the Lords of Winterfell past but he make crypts for his father, brother and sister. There's also a good chance that somewhere, presumably in Ned's crypt, there is something that will lead them to Jon's crypt if he had that made ahead of time. Anything is possible and none of the family spent any real time down there until Bran, Rickon, Osha & Hodor were hiding there. In regards to Littlefinger's comment of a harp being mightier than a sword, that can be taken several different ways I think. First Rhaegar with his harp was beloved by many, people followed him because of who & how he was, whereas Robert had to take the throne by force. Lyanna was won by Rhaegar's harp, not by Robert's sword (well, battle axe). If Rhaegar were to return tomorrow the kingdom would be thrilled to put him back on the throne. I think the same will hold true (whether the harp is actual or theoretical) because Cersei holds the crown by force, Dany is coming to take the crown by force and if Jon shows up either with Rhaegar's harp or symbolically being Rhaegar's harp (son), people will defer to the right ruler, there will be no need to battle for it other than to evict Cersei. It's kind of like Mel seeing the battle in the snow.... There was a battle in snow above the wall with the wildlings, one outside Winterfell when Stanis died, the battle of the bastards with Jon Snow.. in the snow, and there will be snow going forward because Winter is here. (And Dany kept seeing the throne room in snow... which could be precipitation or it could be a clue regarding Jon). I do want to say good catch on that comment by Littlefinger, this is the first reference I've heard regarding it.

[@orsolyapamer3481]

I would like to think, that in Dany's vision the snow on the throne symbolized JOn, but I doubt. I think, the ruined throne room means the ruined Westeros in warfare and the snow means, Winter is here. And she leave the throne and goes North. I think, Jon will end upon the throne of Westeros (if this will be the Iron throne in KL or just some wooden chair in Winterfell it won't matter), but after the War for the Dawn, not in Dany's life.

[@SplashAttackTCG]

Ned was an honorable man, so I am certain that he returned Arthur Dane's sword.

[@allrightthen.6225]

Splash Attack he did while swapping his sisters boy with his own boy.

[@amfitness5598]

Splash Attack in the books but on the show it's not said what happened to Dawn. Show doesn't have to follow the books they've strayed many times and on much bigger matters.

[@7thWardCreole]

Splash Attack Honorable yes, but also, a proven liar.

[@saiyanmgtow]

Maybe the family refused to take it and so Ned kept it and lied.

[@nick6539]

Heres what id like to see.. Jon will hear a dragon roar deep in the crypts. He'll go down a few levels and behind a wall he'll find Rhaegar's armor and body. Maybe Dawn will be in there.. Maybe when he touches the hilt he'll have a green dream seeing Arthur Dayne. Arthur: Who comes to claim Dawn? Jon: Jon Snow, King of the North. Arthur: That is not your true name, but you are indeed a king. Jon: Who am I? Arthur: The knowledge you seek must be earned my King, as Dawn must. .. And now it begins

[@Chaoswolve66]

Damn, thats got to be the worst theory i have heard in along time. After all the shame he felt taking mormonts sword because it didnt belong to his family you could really think he would do that again and accept dawn. Especially considering house targeryn has two family swords of their own Blackfyr and Dark Sister.

[@ceciliamiller975]

@@Chaoswolve66 BUT IN THE SHOW NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE THOUGH SORRY FOR CAPS.

[@robertmaybeth3434]

The theory you mention at 8:37 is a good one and i think probably means, LF knows what really happened with Rhjaeggar and Lyanna. And probably, from the smirk on his face whenever he mentions it, he probably even had a hand in it somehow. Remember where LF was and what he was doing at the time of Robert's rebellion. He was probably at Baelysh Keep in the Fingers recovering from the near-fatal wound that Brandon Stark (Ned's brother) gave him in the duel at Rivverrun, over Catelyn Stark. As a booy LF was a ward of Hoster Tully at Riverrun, raised around Lyssa and Catelyn for years. That duel infuriated Hoster so much that he had LF sent away, so where would he get sent back to? We have to infer it was Baelysh Keep in the Fingers since, where else would he go? Certainly LF could have planted various lies and rumors before, during and after the duel and the resulting journey back to the Fingers - but all this would depend on where he stayed and with whom. We have no information about any of that, but we can assume rumors were the limit of the scheming Littlefinger could have done - since he was nobody at that time and "of small account". But we can't ignore that LF would have been a good source of such a rumor - that Lyanna had been kidnapped and raped by Rhaeggar - when we know that almost certainly Lyanna must have gone with Rhaeggar willingly. LF had a motive for that - to destroy Ned and Brandon for revenge - and he had the intellect to do such a thing. Whether we will ever even find out the details of that, who knows?

[@GoodDartz1]

I still think that the big reveal is going to come out of Ned's tomb. His bones have not made it back to Winterfell and now that Winterfell is back in Stark hands the bones will arrive, probably with Howland Reed, and that's when Jon's birth story will be revealed. Men's tomb was created long ago and it would have been a perfect place to keep a secret because it allows Ned to take the secret to his grave, so to speak. There's no way anyone is going to the crypts and opening up occupied tombs. Ned's empty tomb is the keeper of secrets.

[@MegaGoozie]

Anthony Brych the bones haven't made it back yet ?

[@sjabed]

In the books they haven't because of the ironborn occupation, Lady Dustin even mentions in the books that if the bones are ever found, she'd make sure they never reached the crypts, because Ned didn't return her husband's bones, Ned buried them at the ToJ, which is why Lady Dustin is pissed at Ned. In the show so far we see/hear about Ned's bones only 1 time, when Littlefinger delivers them to Catelyn

[@Beraksekebon21]

Lol

[@SquachoFace]

I can see Bran going back in time to see Ned placing the evidence in the crypt. Sam and Bran accompany Jon to the exact place there and he finds Aegon VI's birth certificate, a Mickey Mantle Rookie baseball card and Pete Rose's letter of admission to the Baseball Hall of Fame. :- )

[@lowkeyforehead4849]

maybe the harp controls the dragon

[@agustasister5624]

Maybe the harp controls the whites and the ice king..

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

I love the idea with Rheagar's harp in the crypt. I always wondered: As Jon looks 100% like a Northener - what characteristics may Rheagar passed-down to him. Well, maybe Jon can play the harp and doesn't even know ;-) Btw - I doubt Littlefinger knows the full truth, but I am sure the Spider does

[@TalkingThrones]

True, I think the spider knows something about this too :)

[@orsolyapamer3481]

I think, LF knows, but has no proof for that. And I think, Varys doesn't know, or he would search for Jon and not for Danaerys first.

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

While Peter Baelish still was a boy when all these things happened, Varys already was at court and one of the chief advisers of Mad King Aerys. He knew Rheagar personally. He knew what happened. Im sure he had some little birds in Dorne and even at Starfall who told him everything. The show and the books go different ways. According the books, Aegon/Young Griff was Rheagar's first born son; so Varys supports him (maybe he's a fake, but that's another story). In the show Varys was aware Jon took the Black and gave up titles and birthright; he couldn't expect Jon leaving the Night Watch again. And when Jon was a boy in Winterfell, Varys was not prepared to depose Robert. Any move in this direction would have been high treason, and Varys is not the man who takes big risks. Would be interesting to see how he will react when meeting Jon at some point.

[@orsolyapamer3481]

I don't think, Varys knows. I think, he would search for Jon, if he knew. And maybe warn Danaerys, that she might not be the only surviving Targaryen. But I am curious about Varys: what had he heared in the fire, when his parts were burned? His goal is serving the Realm since then (whatever does it mean). Does he know about the Big War coming too? Or not? Or thinks, this anarchy was it and it is already done? Does he know about the Long Night coming?

[@aclaudiapaixao]

I never read the books, so I wish there was a video about Benjen. He was Ned's confidante, very close to his brother, adored by his nephews... why in the world would he chose to become a crow in the first place? Why? It doesn't make sense. Plus, on the first episode when Ned punishes the deserter crow for 'lying' about the while walker, Benjen said that 'they were good lads', but never that mentions that he also believed that they were telling the truth. It seems to me that although understanding Ned, he would make a comment about those rumors with his brother. I have no doubt that Jon admired his uncle so much that he chose to become because of him. With Benjen saving Bran, becomeing half walker and apparently coming to save Jon on the next season, i would love to know more about him.

[@niixzpk8726]

Maybe the dreams were foreshadowing that Jon was meant to become the King of the North so he would legitimately belong with the other King's of Winterfell. I'm hoping that at some point Jon (in show) tells the story of the dreams he had about the crypts to someone (maybe Bran) so it gets included in the show.

[@helenmaryfitzsimons5046]

There are hot springs in Winterfel. There could be other volcanic activities underground there. Perhaps there are more dragon eggs there?

[@jinxmas]

Little Finger definitely knows about the true lineage. He knows just about everything

[@BlackfeatherLegion]

That is why Baelish is so amazing.

[@ironduke7423]

I believe that Rhaegar's ashes can be found somewhere in the crypts be it concealed near Lyanna's tomb or somewhere further down in the crypts, and atleast in the books that's how Jon will find out. I see it as Ned being the only one who cremated Rhaegar's body, since there were only two men who could overrule/defy Robert at the time of the trident, Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. And Ned would've probably given Rhaegar the honours of a proper burial, i know that he was burned because george rr martin said so, and Ned would be the only one to give Rhaegar a proper Targaryen style funeral. So I believe Rhaegar's burial urn can somewhere be found in the crypts.

[@SteveChiverton]

In Lyanna's tomb beside her?

[@ironduke7423]

+T. L. Chivz perhaps

[@kacic.6469]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@pusakal467]

the HARP can tame or control the DRAGONS...or even the Ice Dragon( !? ). .......MAYBE. thanks

[@goonhoona8186]

Dawn is currently with Beric Dondarrion in the show. If you watch the last few episodes that feature Beric you will notice they take great pains to insure that the viewer cannot see the pommel of his sword. There are a few scenes where you are able to catch a few milliseconds,just a flash of the pommel but if you freeze frame those milliseconds you can make out the distinctive pommel shape of Dawn. This makes sense for the show because Beric is still alive and the lord of house Dayne is his squire in the books. I believe that they left Beric alive in the show for this very reason. He will be the one to deliver Dawn to Jon Snow

[@shannangardner5287]

Can we just acknowledge the fact that Beric has the COOLEST name in all of GOT? Seriously... Beric Dondarrion? Sheesh. And I agree that he has Dawn. 100%

[@cryyc]

Jon is a Targaryen. Targaryens dream of dragons. Jon dreams about the crypt because either a dragon or a dragon egg lies hidden beneath Winterfell - waiting for Jon to be discovered. There is no other reason for Jon to dream about the crypt. It's no sixth sense. It is just him being a Targaryen without knowing it and without understanding his dreams. A Targaryen would have known and understood that those dreams are about dragons but he can't since he wasn't raised a Targaryen. But his blood is drawn to fire. He is a Targaryen. Fire and Blood.

[@heartlady2396]

I wonder what interesting songs of prophesy and tragedy Rhaegar wrote and played on his harp. Perhaps he wrote a song called Ice and Fire that told a tale, the very tale that we are watching being played out right now. 😊

[@TalkingThrones]

Interesting :)

[@bjjace1]

I always thought is was fucked up that Ned never told his wife that Jon was not the result of him cheating.

[@TalkingThrones]

I agree that was Bullshit. He knew how Jon was being treated.

[@bjjace1]

By keeping it a secret he was torturing Catelyn and Jon. Just seemed unnecessary to keep it from his wife.

[@erynlasgalen1949]

Matty mo An oath is an oath. It can't be broken by an honorable man like Ned Stark.

[@bjjace1]

What oath ? Lying to your wife and kids is not exactly honorable in my book. Just Saying

[@gcs7817]

Matty mo Ned made a promise to his sister on her death bed. He knew Robert would seek to kill all known Targeryans as we saw in GoT. Jon’s lineage must be kept a secret or else Ned risks war as Robert demands that Ned kill Jon. If Ned refuses, Robert can imprison him. The fewer people who know the better. That’s why he didn’t tell Cat. Also had Ned told Cat about Jon, would she have treated him differently? It is highly unusual for Bastards to be treated with any kind of respect and dignity in Westeros, so if Cat knew Jon was not illegitimate and not Ned’s bastard, she’d have to maintain a veneer of how she interacts with Jon. From Jon perspective it would be doubly weird for Cat to treat him nicely since he’s supposedly a bastard and the result of Ned betrayal. It wouldn’t make any sense. It’s already awkward that Ned treats him like a legitimate son when that is clearly not the norm.

[@Britt32193]

I've always thought Ned left something for Jon down there. Or that Jon was just always drawn to the crypts. Because you know. That motherly bond didn't have to necessarily end in death. Maybe it could by Lyanna reaching out to Jon? You know how they say that sometimes the spirits get trapped with their remains. They can't leave. And Lyanna did kind of die a really traumatic death... I know she didn't die in Winterfell but thats where her body lies. It's probably a stretch but thats my thought.

[@TalkingThrones]

It could be Lyanna calling out to him in a way. But I also think there is something in its lowest level drawing Jon too..

[@Britt32193]

Definitely!

[@orsolyapamer3481]

Kid Jon had dreams about her mother. In his dreams her mother was a beautiful, caring and highborn woman... (=Lyanna has reached out for Jon in his dreams). But Jon has grown up and left those dreams.

[@Britt32193]

is this a theory or is it confirmed? I can't seem to recall this ever being mentioned in the books??? But it has been awhile since I've picked up the first two

[@orsolyapamer3481]

It was mentioned in the books. Maybe the first one, somewhere.

[@seventhirty22]

I think that if Dawn was never returned, we would have heard about it by now. For example, I believe that Edric would have mentioned it to Arya. With Dawn arguably being the most famous sword in Planetos, and Ned being reputed for his honor, I'm confident that much more would have been made of Dawn's having never been returned. Plus Dawn would have absolutely no significance in identifying Jon's true origins. I see no point in Dawn being in the crypts of Winterfell.

[@random_eskimo_in_the_rockies]

Remember, the book and the movie are vastly different.

[@akeelbrown7675]

Seven Thirty dawn is most likely lightbringer, if lightbringer is indeed a sword

[@windwalker9649]

Seven Thirty Exactly. If Ned hadn't really returned Dawn, SOMEONE would have raised a stink over it. To believe that it just slipped house Dayne's minds to inquire about their most important family heirloom (that they've had for 10,000 years, and is so revered that it only goes to someone deemed worthy of wielding it so there are some generations that never get it ) is unrealistic.

[@evandipasquale9255]

since the battle of the basterds episode I've been saying Jon will discover something of his true parentage when laying ricon to rest in the tombs of winterfell.

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

I thought so as well. But Im not that sure anymore. When they bury Rickon it might happen in the very first episode of Season 7 (wouldn't make sense otherwise). But I doubt Jon will discover his parentage that early

[@TalkingThrones]

I think so too

[@dbg0206091]

Shouldn't Rickon already be buried? They sped up the timeline a lot last season.

[@joannefaulkner9609]

But Jon IS a legitimate Stark... and a Targaryen so I believe Ned did prepare a tomb for him as he did for Lyanna. I would not be surprised if there is something significant of Rhaegar in the deeper levels as well - most likely his harp which I believe he left for Lyanna when he went to war. As a few others have mentioned, Ned carried a great secret for the sake of his sister and her child and he was not opposed to break from tradition.

[@southernsunshine1149]

I think the harp is a synonym for song in this instance. And song is another word for story.

[@fracturedempiricist]

Following the clues from the show it seems more likely that Ned might put something in his own tomb to be discovered by trusted family or servants upon his death. It's where his fetch appeared to the youngest boys and once Jon had taken the black there was no need to fear discovery of his Targaryen-hood since he had essentially illegitemised himself, hence Ned's promise to discuss his mother when next they saw each other. However, the poet in me wants the clue to be in Lyanna's tomb. Ned seems like the kind who might bury his sister next to the man she loved. It could also explain why the whole time Robert was in the crypts Ned was at near toxic levels of discomfort.

[@CapitalCCapitalC]

The deepest portion of the crypts contain something much older than the Stark family drama. I think Jon's crypt dreams are greendreams and he is warged into someone or something else.

[@louism447]

is hodor a white now and do you think he might come out in the show?

[@TalkingThrones]

I hope so that would be awesome.

[@cougarrain]

I think so too

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

omg - just imagine: Hodor and Uncle Benjen attacking the Stark family - and they have to kill and to burn them....

[@Caraxes_RoguePrince]

Cornelia Echzeller Benjen good tho dummy smh

[@Greywind920]

That would be cool but so far no sightings of the actor at any airports or sets so far

[@GaiusJuliusCaesarMasterOfRome]

It's cool to go back and look at your old videoes and see how much you have grown.

[@benadama67]

"The harp is as dangerous as a sword, in the right hands!" I see this as the modern saying "the pen is mightier than the sword" meaning, hamper free speech. This is how I see it being meant.

[@bobertwithar]

I think when Jon goes into the Crypts he will find a tomb that reads "The prince that was promised". I dont think most of the people in Winterfell would understand but by the time Jon and Sam reunite Sam will have discovered the prophecy in the Citadel and understand Rhaegars part to play in the prophecy

[@Stan_S_Stanman]

Very interesting theory. Here's mine: If there IS something down in the crypts for Jon, my guess is that it's simply a scroll of paper written by Ned explaining everything. Most likely also mentioning that Lord Reed is the only person other than Ned who knows the truth and that Jon should go to him to confirm what the letter says. I don't think it's right for Jon to have his own tomb in the crypts. Picture them in your mind. They would go: .....Stark, Stark, Stark, Stark, Targaryen, Stark, Stark, Stark...... And that's odd. Jon's real name wouldn't fit there, since the crypts are for Stark kings and as an exception, Lyanna.

[@LS-wh9rn]

Stannis Baratheon ...as Ned told Jon when he last saw him, "You may not have my name but you have my blood." All the Stark Kings you mentioned were born of women who weren't Starks, just as John was conceived by a father who wasn't a Stark--so the "Stark, Stark, Stark..." order you drew up would actually be unchanged: in sum, the Stark Kings you refer to had fathers who were Starks, while their mothers were not --Jon's mother was a Stark, his father was not...there is therefore no difference in Stark blood, at all, between them, and no lack of legitimacy just because Jon's father was the non-Stark and not his mother 😞😒

[@gisellav2351]

Stannis Baratheon There doesn't have to be his grave. it could be Lyannas. the one stop with her father and brother could just be a statue and her true tomb hidden so that only Jon can find it. and in there he will find the harp, cloak and marriage document.

[@christopherjordan2890]

Cyph3r -xx- he was referring to the names his last name would still be targaryen in a tomb of starks nothing to do with blood.. only the kings of winter and then lords of winterfell besides lyanna would be down there and this is technically bran/rickon and then even I think Sansa and aryas sons would have a stronger claim then Jon

[@srf222]

Gisella V I agree with you.

[@gisellav2351]

SAJMA KTHIRI Thanks so much!

[@frankmueller2781]

I had a wild thought today that won't go away. In the books, Ned's bones have yet to make it back to Winter fell. That made me think that any evidence he left of Jon's true heritage, are likely in HIS tomb, not Lyanna's, as he would not want his sister's tomb desecrated, but if he should die before telling Jon the Truth, what better place to put it that the tomb prepared for himself, which was made long before he went away.

[@charliemoody7168]

Frank Mueller I doubt Ned would have a tough time fulfilling his sister’s dying wishes, and setting aside provision for her son. I just don’t see that happening in a way that would seem like desecration in Ned’s mind; all they’d really have to do is wait on Ned’s additions for the final rites and sealing the crypt.

[@riss3690]

What about dragons eggs.... a clutch that was left behind when Jace went to Winterfell to gain support before the dance of the dragons.....

[@wallybonejengles5595]

What if it turns out our Jon Snow is musically inclined and a harp prodigy?

[@TalkingThrones]

Like Jimi Hendrix with a Harp? Lol that'd be cool.

[@doramilaje9750]

Walter Botelho I'm done with you.....😂

[@bernardhernandez5917]

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[@ladyfiresnow3433]

I was one of the ones who very much wanted to hear your thoughts on the crypts so I thank you for this video! I have had hopes that John would make a discovery in Lyanna's tomb but you struck a thought that it could be Bran and Sam... Also i do believe it is a foreshadow Littlefingers words and the harp. I so hope we do see some action in the crypts. Just wouldn't feel right without it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Take care

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you Robin you are always too kind. I knew someone was asking me about the Crypts before but I couldn't remember who it was. I'm hoping we get a crypt scene with Jon. If not, we will definitely get more in the books after he comes back.

[@ladyfiresnow3433]

I am watching this video again today, and it really sparked the thought that we might see Arthor Dane’s sword in the Crypts since they showed it to us in Season 6. Really like your theories and wondered if you would be interested in doing a livestream with me? Hope you are well!

[@freakdogsflare8638]

I think there might even be a dragon living underneath winterfell, and only one of stark and targaryen blood can release it and even control it

[@brendanclive2796]

It said in the first season the tomb collapsed but as we know the first stark king who built the wall and winterfell and stromsend so how would one of the oldest buildings so what made the crypts collapse

[@orsolyapamer3481]

Or they buried it from cause. To hide the secret during the centuries, thousands of years.

[@xxlunacyxx7747]

Maybe bran the builder collapsed it. It's all made of magic so maybe he hid all the necessary weaponry to fight the white walkers in the collapsed tomb. Then used the horn of winter to collapse the tomb to protect the goods from falling into the wrong hands before the war and then hid the horn beyond the wall. Bran stark could have planned this all along as well.

[@rasplez9889]

When the white walkers cross the wall... What happens to all the dead bodies in the crypt? As we know, stone burial doesn't decay as much as being put under soil in a wooden box, and the whites can be resurrected as skeletons anyway. Are the nightmares about the dead waking up and chasing Jon, actually a premonition? Will they have to fight dead Starks underground, as well as white walkers outside? Also, there's something that heats the water from below. Not warm, but near boiling. It's either a magic artifact... Or an ancient dragon. We don't know exactly how long they live since all the dragons we know about have been killed in battle or flew away from their owners, but as they're magical beings, I assume it'd be a very long time. Maybe the Starks had their own dragon down there, heating the water? Or some kind of artifact/ weapon of immense power and heat? There's definitely something down there. My guess is, that Jon goes down there to face his fears. Like his dreams, the dead wake up. Jon discovers the source of heat, and uses it to burn the dead and escape. Maybe the sword of Azor Ahai, since he and bran the builder did push back the white walkers together? The prince that was promised, in my guess, is Jon. He's the song of Ice and fire. Hes the king of winter and the Prince of targaryan fire. As Melisandra put it, she has "brought ice and fire together". Since he's got the blood of a targaryan prince, he MIGHT be immune to fire? The dragons MIGHT recognise his blood?

[@MegaGoozie]

RAsplez 98 Bran the builder built winterfel just like he built the wall he must have put magic down there.

[@MasterHaynes86]

He isn’t immune to fire as evidenced by his burnt hand when he first killed a wight.

[@chriss1757]

I lean more toward a note in the crypts that explains Jon's parentage. I think Bran will take Jon to it near the beginning of this season.

[@TalkingThrones]

I hope so!

[@BellaBarossa]

I definitely agree that there is *something* down there in the crypts that would reveal Jon's true origins. Thanks for reading out the details of Jon's dreams!

[@TalkingThrones]

I was hoping it all made sense. Thank you for watching.

[@zardox78]

Okay. We're forgetting lots of established points here. Ned didn't EVER want Jon to go and try and claim the throne. He thought Robert was gonna live another couple of decades at least, and his oddly blonde-headed son would succeed him (with a baby birthed by Sansa), and on and on down the line. Even when he knew Robert was dying with a lack of legitimate children, it never once occurred to him that he had a secret Targaryen ace in the hole. Hell no! That was the LAST thing he wanted. That's why he agreed Jon should join the Night's Watch. He thought the vows would prevent him from doing anything about it at that point. Ned was ALL about avoiding a power struggle forcing him to choose between his best friend and his nephew. Do I think the crypt has more significance than is currently apparent. Yes. The 3-Eyed-Raven in Bran's dreams kept trying to get him to go down there. And it wasn't to find Rickon and Shaggydog that one time, and it wasn't because they would later end up hiding down there from the Ironborn. It was something bigger than that. But if Ned hid something down there, it wasn't with the intention of it EVER being found.

[@hflugleman8355]

Dude - you’ve come a long way! I’m going over some of your older videos ... 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@criminalkarma4021]

I actually really like this theory. It's completely plausible and would be really interesting to see how Jon were to react if his true origins were revealed this way. Keep up the good work man!

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you CK

[@LovinLife-pv7op]

I think the baby that portrayed Jon as an infant in the show is one of the most beautiful babies I have ever seen. Looks to be perfect. Does anyone know if the baby is related to any of the cast or producers/staff or if he is just a "baby actor"? Where do show babies come from?

[@TalkingThrones]

I'm not sure if they are related but it was the perfectly casted baby lmao

[@Vendell_23]

Lovin'Life2016 its CGI

[@MagicMayers]

I think you're right on all of that. You've clearly read the books and have good insight. I think the harp is definitely there as you said. I also think Rhaegar himsilf could be in Lyannas tomb seeing as there is literally NO mention of what happened to him, bar one semi-canonical source which claims he was cremated as is Targaryen custom. But my question to this is, by whom? Targaryen loyalists were non-existent by the time of the Ruby Ford (even the Targaryen soldiers at the battle stopped fighting to pocket rubies when Rhaegar fell) so who was left to cremate him? His best friend was guarding the Tower of Joy and his other friend had already "died" (fled to Essos).

[@BennyEternET]

Obviously there should be clues about something important in those crypts. However, your examples are weak:-Dawn : the informations are confirmed in So Spake Martin, Dawn is at Starfall right now. -The harp in Lyana's tomb: The harp is very important *Because Rhaegar brought it everywhere*...I see him leaving it in ToJ. What??? Robert wouldn't disrespect Lyanna's tomb...But Super virtuous Ned would ??? -Jon's tomb for a Targaryen : Yeah why not, but if it was near "his mother's" tomb, Ned would have felt a bit "tense" when Robert said he wanted to go see the crypts. If he stumbled upon an empty Targaryen tomb in Winterfell, what do you think would have happened? Ned wanted to talk about "Jon's mother" the next time they meet (and as a brother of the NW, there wouldn't be any succesion problem or what not). And the clues/proofs have to be subtle enough, that nobody from Robert Spies nor Targaryens supporters would get hold of them.

[@timjacks23457]

Nice been waiting for you do a video on them. Really interested in what they are going to do with the crypts, as they are surrounded in mystery

[@TalkingThrones]

Absolutely. I really want to know what's in the lowest level..

[@ryank5613]

I always thought it was odd Lyanna had her hand out and turned up, as if handing something to someone.

[@TalkingThrones]

She does, Robert places a feather in her hand..

[@akshaykariyatti7664]

Ned has kept there a Valaryan steel armour initially owned by Rhaegar while he thought that he was the one chosen in the prophecy to bring the dawn. Rhaegar was shown in books that he read a lot and initially came upon the prophecy.Before that he wasn't a warrior,but since he interpreted that he is AZOR AHAI reborn, he realised that he needed to be a warrior but when he realised that his skills itself won't' be sufficient to win against the enemy he went through the history of long night and realized that valaryan steel was used to kill the OTHERS and was basically OTHERPROOF and since it wasn't possible to make out an armour of dragonglass(because of its properties) he either collected valaryan steel and had an armour forged out of it or somehow found one from old Valarya or Asshai or Shadowlands ( In the books Euron gets his hands on one why can't Rhaegar)and therefore got the proper gear to fight against the OTHERS but he didn't knew how to get his hands on the Sword of heroes(lightbringer) or its whereabouts since it's knowledge in prophecy itself wasn't clear and he assumed that in due time he will eventually end up with the Sword.But in the END GAME either Jon Snow himself can be lightbringer or I believe Dawn is the propheciced sword because in the books according to Dany's Dothraki handmaiden there were two moons and when the Sun came to close to that moon it broke and thousands of dragon came out of it. We know that dawn was made out of an asteroid which fall from the space itself. Here a connection between Dragons and dawn can be seen about how both came out of the sky itself on earth and basically originated out if an rock from outer space. Dragons resemble fire and after connecting the origins of dawn with dragons maybe Dawn also resembles fire.This story regarding the origin of dragons was Martin's hint to us .Thus Jon will wear the Valaryan armour and mayhaps will wield Dawn during the Long night. What do you think about my theory?

[@shannonwalker3198]

What if, it's Raeghar that is buried in the tomb? & That's why his body was never found,& why Jon says he doesn't belong there-its really Raeghar saying it through Jon...?

[@derekrichardson7853]

Bran’s dream about Ned being in the crypt was also included in the show. Bran and Rickkon both went down there the same night. It happens the episode after Ned is killed, before they knew their father was killed.

[@crazeegrlproductions]

It's possible the sword Dawn is not at Starfall. I'm in the Ashara is still alive camp and could definitely believe that she has the sword and will give it to someone to carry in the war for the Dawn. It won't be Jon though because he has Longclaw already (unless he loses it somehow). It's gotta be someone who doesn't have a valryian steel sword. Brienne has Oathbreaker. Someone will get Heartsbane or maybe Sam will use it. But it's more likely he gives it to someone like Jorah Mormont or the Hound if they do meet up. Dawn will go to a fighter. Likely candidates could be Arya, Dany, the Hound, Meera,...maybe Bran if they put him on a horse or a dragon. Widow's Wail is out there too...

[@CaroleS2512]

Way back near the 2nd or 3rd book, Dany promised Jorah a Valyrian steel sword. Some of the plot leaks suggest Jon offers Longclaw to Jorah, since it was his father Jeor's sword, but Jorah refused. Sam has Heartsbane, which he stole from his father. Since Sam is no fighter, who will he give Heartsbane to?

[@orsolyapamer3481]

MAybe Widow's wail for Arya. She needs a light sword, not a heavy, long one. One thing is sure: Jaime won't survive till the end at some point he has to face Bran and his crime and answer for it before the Starks. So Widow's wail is going back to the Starks, I think (it is forged from Ice).

[@crazeegrlproductions]

Definitely, could see Jorah getting Heartsbane. Still, don't know who gets Dawn. The Hound? I was going to say Arya but as it was pointed out Dawn might be too big for her. And I've now convinced myself that Widow's Wail might be more for her as it was also mentioned it was made from Ice. Plus, she was the one who threw Joffery's sword in the river. So getting his sword would be kinda perfect. Widow's Wail sounds like the name of a sword Arya would have. Brienne has Oathbreaker and is Sansa's sworn sword. So, Sansa sorta has Oathbreaker via proxy. Giving both Stark sisters the swords made from Ice makes total sense.

[@CaroleS2512]

crazeegrlproductions Brienne has Oathkeeper. She called it that because she was using it to help her keep her oath to Catelyn.

[@crazeegrlproductions]

Exactly. And now Brienne is Sansa's sworn sword. Sansa is never going to physically fight. But Brienne as her sworn sword can and will probably fight for her. So, Brienne is keeping her oath to Catelyn and Sansa has a sword through her.

[@prof.cecilycogsworth3204]

Intriguing ideas, ones that have given me food for thought. I'm reminded of Theseus' quest for the artifacts which proved his parentage, somehow. Can't wait to see how TWOW an dthe seventh season play out this situation!

[@brucemercer7753]

Think of how the opening Musical Theme ends with a HARP plucking out the Final refrains.

[@allrightthen.6225]

the only thing I don't get with this parentage theory is why would ned. not tell his wife. She would never say anything and would not hate jon.

[@TalkingThrones]

I wondered that before too. I assumed she would be loyal and keep the secret, I guess he just didn't wanna break the promise, period..

[@orsolyapamer3481]

When Ned get bakc from the War with baby Jon on his arms, he barely knew Catelyn. Catelyn was originally betrothed to Brandon Stark, Brandon knew her better. Ned married her in his brother's redeem, but he did not know her and immediately left for War to the South. Ned did not trust Cat at this point enough to share this dangerous secret with her. And later... it was already too late. cat already hated Jon, it wall-known along the North, probably. A change in her behavoiur toward Jon would be suspicious.

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

It was very clever of Ned not to tell her: At the time Sansa was a hostage of the Lannister's (and Catelyn thought Arya was as well) Catelyn would not have hesitated to use Jon's life as a bargain chip, telling the Lannisters where Rheagar's last living son is - in exchange for her daughters

[@SHODGES69]

So many theories my heads going to explode 💥

[@TalkingThrones]

Lol thanks for checking it out.

[@ambern7734]

I'm sure this has been said before. Could Jon's screaming 'I am not a Stark' in his dream be his Subconscious or even some kind of dragon dream trying to tell him that he is not a Stark but a Targaryen. Then when Jon's at the Wall could that dream be telling him he needs to accept not just his Stark side but also his Targaryen side. Could the pitch blackness in the dream be a warning of the long night. could the reason seeing dawn breaking in the east reassure Jon, really be a subtle hint George R. R. Martin that Jon needs to first embrace his Targaryen family/side to fight back the long night and bring the dawn. sorry i think i may be rambling. also I am dyslexic so my spelling and sentence structure are a bit off some times.

[@joanisarmento]

Great video! Never thought of the harp being there, but it opens a lot of interesting doors! Thank you :)

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks!

[@michaelwatson8890]

Any ideas about the letter Ned asked the Spider to deliver for him when he was in the cells at Kings Landing

[@TalkingThrones]

That's the million dollar question my friend lol..

[@orsolyapamer3481]

I am curious about too. And Varys read it, knows, what is in there? I doubt, that the Spider was willing to send that letter to anyone without reading it first, he is the Spider.

[@nathanolson2019]

What about a dragon egg targaryen had eggs put in there cribs as baby's and there's been talk about a dragon under winterfell before maybe his egg is down there waiting to be hatched

[@herewardthewake1]

Lyannas' statue is the key she maybe she is robed in a Targaryen cloak a symbol of marriage the sigil hiding at the back of the statue, perhaps there is another statue hidden that of Rhaegar that intertwines with it, his right hand on her shoulder the other holding the left hand that at the moment holds a candle

[@TalkingThrones]

Interesting thought sir

[@ValyTraveler]

I like the theory that "The Order of the Green Hand" (found here on KZbin) uses from the books... The one where Jon and Dany were switched at birth... Instead of R+L =J it would be Ned + Ashara = Jon making Ned, Jon's true father... and Rhaegar +Lyanna = Dany their baby...

[@matthewbullen6706]

I would be happy if it was actually the rumored dragon eggs hidden in the crypts that were calling to him. When Jon finally goes all the way down there, he finds them and one will hatch to become his actual bond, maybe it's even an ice dragon. they can be called "The 2 Dragons of Winter" or something of the sort.

[@terryrpon]

I find it interesting that the sword "The dawn" was placed against the bed just as Jon Snow was born in the tower of joy scene. Kinda poetic.

[@christophertracy7272]

In the collapsed section of the Crypts maybe they are hiding the Night Queen there?! The heat from the springs may weaken her and Winterfell was built with spells into it and Bran the Builder started the Crypts and the Castle.

[@donproctor3445]

I'm fairly new to all this. Haven't read any books just watched the show but have been watching the vids here. Not all things in this show have to happen in literal sense. Ned said he would discuss Jon's mother when he returns. Everyone assumes this would be in living form, but what if it means as a pile of bones. I believe this Howland Reed character will show up and Jon will take the bones down to the crypt to bury and in the process discover some message or symbol or something down there that sheds light on who he is.

[@melissacole6266]

Ned was probably talking to Lyanna Starks' tomb. He's probably telling her about her son, and I'm sure he's saddened by the injustice of Jon having to live his life as a basted just so his best friend doesn't kill him. He loved, and misses his sister. Bran probably saw that happening.

[@veronicaamadis7416]

I agree with everything you say. But for me, it really a matter of when. Because it seems he's departing from Winterfell to meet Dany and battle until God knows when....It might be plausible Sam and Bran tell him and he never goes down there. Then again, he's not a boy anymore, he's not a man either; since he came back from the death he is something else and his fear of the tombs shouldn't be there anymore. It would be interesting to see how the directors of the show bring this to life.

[@thegreattomatoadventure9027]

What if Jon isn't a Targaryen at all and it's all been a huge put on by the writers and that ends up being part of the big twist or reveal. Why waste what little screen time they have left on a reveal that has supposedly already been revealed when Bran can just show Jon in a vision... or just tell him for that matter.

[@TalkingThrones]

It wouldn't take long to do the scene. Less than 5 minutes really. Walk down, move some stuff, find it, wtf moment, next scene...

[@j.p.terrasi846]

I haven't read everything below but I think that since Ned was so honorable, he would have given "Dawn" to Howland. He's actually the one who "earned" it even though Ned gave the killing blow. Which means we WILL SEE "Dawn" again when Meera brings Howland to the show... with "Dawn" in hand! Just my thoughts and that's why we haven't seen the sword yet.

[@ICrazyBossFTW33]

Gosh These Videos Are Genuinely Great Bro : ) I Learned Alot And Now I Do Think There Is Definitely Something In The Crypts , I Do Hope It's The Harp But I'm Abit Skeptical On That One :/

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you! It may not be the harp I just wanted to mention some possibilities

[@vishalsancheti5080]

It could be a dragon inside the crypts... jon says as I scream he wakes up. who wakes up. a dragon kept in crypt... dragons were kept in dungeons in meeren... just a thought.

[@TalkingThrones]

It might be

[@gabrieltamburini8053]

Pretty interesting stuff, and it could go down those ways. But, I still reckon that Littlefinger will tell, or at least, show Jon the truth. In the trailer Jon and Littlefinger were down in the crypts and Jon did lash out at him, sort off.

[@TheOfficialOMMY]

sadly I doubt I think the show will do anything, all the mentions in the books but basically nothing in the show, Why D&D 😢

[@MaggieValera]

Because of the war, Ned's bones have not yet made it to Winterfell. I mentioned this to SmokeScreen, he said they had been received but I can't find it and no one else remembers it either. Anyway, while there there have been many people who think that there are items in Lyanna's tomb but it makes absolutely no sense to do that, what reason could they possibly have to open it?? I think there is a tomb for Jon with his true name, but most importantly I think that the proof Jon needs is going to be in Ned's tomb. They will find it when they open it to put Ned's bones to rest.

[@hastur_kinginyellow5310]

Need took Dawn back to house Dayne. Was in love with Ashrya Dayne(bad spelling) , told her about Jon, asked her to vow to keep his secret, and to keep the sword safe....she fakes suicide, ends up with the half master and Jon connington or Griffin, in Essos....bad spelling aside, maybe. Taking the sword back just really seems like what Need would do. He didn't win with honor, but at least he could honor the sword of the morning by returning his sword to it's rightful place

[@N1mr]

N+A= Danny NOT CONFIRMED & R+L = Jon, CONFIRMED ,not only because of the HBO INFOGRAPH but also D&D have a shirt embrodered "R+L=J" The test question GRRM Gave them for the series interview for the PRODUCERS was "who are JOHN SNOWS PARENTS ??? If they got the answer wrong there is no way they would wear this Embrodered shirt after the fact...... DAWN is in disguise as Long Claw, at the begining of a season they flashed back to Lord Commander Mormont saying. I had the pumnel converted into a wolf for John. Who gives a rats ass about a flash back about a pummel unless it was a huge foreshadow....... John is a Targ (Fire) who thinks his whole life is (Ice)/ Stark, and Danny is a Stark (Ice) who thought her whole life was a Targ (Fire) destiny. Their story is THE SONG OF ICE AND FIRE

[@BlackfeatherLegion]

Daenarys is just a red herring, nothing special.

[@mikerentschler7847]

Dawn has a milky blade, it doesn't look like Valyrian Steel. So it's not Long Claw

[@nicholasrusso215]

In regards to the harp being dangerous is an ode to charisma. The most charismatic leaders are the right brain dominant and are more apt to be poetic, musically inclined and powerfully influencing orators. The line that a harp is more powerful than a sword is a nod to charisma as highly charismatic individuals can inspire masses into action, more powerful than a singular mighty warrior.

[@kitcabil7527]

maybe your right when you said there is another crypt lower or under it, i remember robert sayin its seems that lyna doesnt look like the statue, sumthing like that. maybe there is another crypt for lyna that has been kept with the harp of rhaegar. and maybe the missing dragon egg is down there...

[@zoltanarya3499]

Talking throne thanks for what you are doing man to me this is the best channel about game of thrones so much of good informations . Thank you so much

[@sherrycrigger9451]

I've wondered if there isn't an inscription on the BACK of Lyanna's tomb stating, "Wife of Raegar Targaryian" and "Mother of Jon Snow." It would make sense that a man like Eddard Stark would not risk revealing a secret promise to his sister. It is less likely anyone would see it there than in a tomb made in Jon's honor. Somehow, maybe through Bran' s vision, the proof will come to light for Jon. This way,, if Bran reveals what he knows and Jon doubts him, he has proof. Thoughts?

[@orsolyapamer3481]

Any, from the book there is the quote: there has to be always a Stark in Winterfell. Why? Maybe the ghosts in the crypts will be angry if there is no Stark in Winterfell and start to seek for vengeance (which they actually do in the books under the Bolton's reign, Arya was a fake Arya and the dead Starks knew it). Anyway, I think, Jon is considered as a Stark, because Lyanna was buried there in the crypts, along with the old Kings of Winter.

[@john198064]

I think Sansa will find the tomb which will give her and little finger all the power to reveal it or not. I think in Jon's tomb will be the Blackfyre sword which is one of the ancestral swords of the Targaryens which was brought there by Duncan the Tall who is Hordor's ancestor either that or Varys has the sword and is waiting to get back to Westeros with an army to fight the white walkers and hand the sword to Jon but Jon's tomb will give us his true Targaryen name.

[@TalkingThrones]

This is different. . I can dig it John

[@MichaelCoryAnderson]

Dude are you from Pittsburgh? Awesome video btw!

[@frankrobinsjr.1719]

Everyone mentions that Rhaegar's body couldn't be found after the battle was over. Eddard shows up without his men-at-arms and Robert tells him about killing Rhaegar in the Trident. I think Eddard buried Rhaeger in his family's crypt. To honor his sister, he will have placed a proper inscription naming Lyanna as Rhaegar's wife and Aegon as his son.

[@PBRStreetgang]

There is a channel that has a few videos making a case for Jon being the first true-born son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne. The idea is that Ned "lost his honor in the sights of gods and men" by having Jon with Ashara after a legitimate wedding; this would supposedly happen before Ned knew of Brandon's death and his bride-to-be, Catelyn. The outcome would then be N+A = J, and R+L = D. I don't see it happening in the show at all, but it did make me start re-reading a few chapters in GOT. That would be one of the largest twists in all known literature. If there is one author who could pull the rug out from under the most scrutinized books in modern literature, it would be Martin. I think the channel name is the Order of the Green Hand; they do have some compelling points.

[@charliemoody7168]

PBR Streetgang - does Ashara Dayne figure in the HBO *at*ALL*? I freely admit I haven’t read the books, and I’ve forgotten the names attached to a horde of bit-players, but I don’t recall her playing a role in the series at all. That would make the N+A=J scheme a deus-ex-machina of the worst sort: a desperate attempt to snatch an ending from the ruins of the series. It might legitimately stand as plausible in the books, but with 1 season to go, in 8 episodes, I doubt we’ll hear more about Ashara....

[@zoehill4071]

Could Ned be upset because he died before he could tell Jon about his parents. I think he left something for Jon too.

[@cougarrain]

Oh my goodness this and all the other theories in the comments blew my mind.... Killer Video

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks!

[@nancyRozell3454]

It’s interesting that Jon is so afraid of the dark tombs and waking up in the dark and when he died he said it was dark.

[@tatemommy]

I think, the harp may be like a "valerian steel" sword. When you play the harp, it destroys the white walkers; hence Littlefinger's expression, that a harp can be like a sword.

[@SteveChiverton]

I've thought for a while that Lyanna's tomb actually contains both Lyanna AND Rhaegar.

[@TalkingThrones]

I never even considered that. You think they could both fit?

[@SteveChiverton]

Well those tombs did look rather large. Or they could be stacked. OR if Rhaegar was cremated it would only be an urn beside Lyanna? Possibly Rhaegars armour is in there, or the harp? I don't think Dawn is there though. Rhaegars weapon maybe though, Jon could return Longclaw to Jorah and use the sword [actually can't remember his weapon of choice so presuming] of his true Father! Dawn really though just doesn't fit anything. [I mean in regard to Jon's origins.] Oh and great channel bu the way! Only found it a week ago and have been scouring it fanatically ever since. Man many of your theories are DEEEEEEEPP!

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

Maybe one of the famous Targaryan swords will be down there: Dark Sister or Blackfyre. Or Gendry reforges Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail to one sword again

[@SteveChiverton]

No, I can't see Ice being re-forged. The problem with it is that unless you're the size of The Mountain [or maybe Hound size but still rare] , then in actual battle that huge thing would be next to useless, one swing and you're off your feet! As a ceremonial weapon, great, but [also] with what is coming they are going to need all the Valyrian swords they can get, and in the case of Ice, two is definitely better than one!

[@biggcincy]

Harp being more dangerous means that singers can influence the smallfolk more than fear of a sword