This Insane Cheese Actually Worked In A $10,000 Tournament

[@dirtydantthepondboglim]

Hope people realize how much this can make their day better. Winter has saved me thousands in mental health.

[@BenRHarsh]

I wish you the most mental health as you watch the most professional SC2.

[@primary2630]

yeah same he actually does make my day better. Whenever I'm having a bad time I put on some wintersc2 and I haven't played this game in like 10 years other than the campaigns

[@nobodyreally834]

My mental health improved when I realized Starcraft 2 and Blizzard was trash.

[@vladmatei1958]

I thought I will watch Winter every single day, for the rest of my life. Then, a few months ago, unexplainable "clickbait" titles started. Now, I barely check it once a month and I kind of regret it. For example, in this video, where is the "Insane Cheese" from the title? And whos? The Engineering Bay block is the Insane Cheese? The tie from the first match is the Insane Cheese?

[@nightmareTomek]

​@@vladmatei1958 It was longer than that. A year ago every few days he posted a game of the year. This was going for months. I'm downvoting every clickbait till these content creators learn.

[@ExecutorElassus]

"And Jimmy! What are we-- … _quickly, they're cheesing!_ " I snorted my tea :( Truly, the _most_ professional StarCraft 2.

[@TysonDylan0]

Anyone else get South Park flashbacks when he said that? Imagine players "cheesing" before playing Starcraft makes me laugh

[@davehollis5816]

R.I.P. your tea bro :(

[@Broockle]

dang I super misinterpreted that 😅

[@warchildKazanski]

I love how the Cheese that works for Protoss rewards them with a draw so they can lose in more games. Good stuff there.

[@nightmareTomek]

You found the cheese? Where is the cheese?

[@wafflewheel1509]

I've been watching winter for almost 10 years. I've been with him when Maru was destroying GSL. When Serral became the world champion. All his Zest jokes Dark jokes. There are so many memories of all the good games Winter has brought to the fans. Winter has and will always be my favorite content creator. Yes even more so than Videogamedunkey the goat. Thank you Winter for all these years of consistent love for this game and I'll always tune in as long as you're uploading. My brother met him but I wasn't as fortunate.

[@adaephon]

Oof that first match stung Feels like there needs to be some mechanic for Terran where they have to have at least 1 landed building to be considered still in the game or impose some slow damage to the buildings if there are none landed. The Total War Warhammer games do something similar where if you have 0 landed units your flyers get a massive morale penalty until something lands to prevent dumb cheesy stuff where you pick off your opponents range and become immortal. Its the 1 mechanic that can truly hold the game hostage, and feels like there should be some obvious solutions to it without punishing Terrans for good faith play.

[@scyrp]

I always thought that lift off should require a supply depot. Without supply depots floating buildings start burning until they land.

[@codywotring8973]

I disagree. Terran can pull a win if they micro their units perfectly vs opponents armies but if their forced to have some mechanic that hurts their orbitals, then DT's become base trade kings instead of just really good

[@rankmayor4076]

@@codywotring8973 Explain how DT's become base trade king' with turrets around? DT's aren't cheap.

[@WizardyDylan]

​instead protoss just loses their wincon as soon as their stargate dies ​@@codywotring8973

[@eshetek]

flying buildings simply shouldnt count as buildings, as far as the lose-condition is concerned

[@badluckbrian46]

That first game being a draw even when spirit had no units was criminal (a single SCV doesn’t count when he can’t even build anything else).

[@adrenaline98]

This hot pocket tangent is why I watch, like, and subscribe. “There’s a reason why microwaves work the way they do. I just don’t know the reason.”

[@catbert7]

It would be so much better if Terran buildings did run out of fuel and have to land for a while until they refill the tanks.

[@spudastic]

have successive liftoffs cost vespene gas

[@scyrp]

I think liftoff should require a supply depot. Without a supply depot, floating buildings start to burn until they land.

[@Bagelsyup]

thats a cool idea

[@emorimiku]

Everyone laughed when Air bud first made it into KeSPA, but they stopped laughing when they saw his muta micro.

[@NealHoltschulte]

😂

[@Laenthal]

They need to make flying buildings to not count as an active building.

[@Zoykzmc]

I find it pretty ridiculous how terrans get a draw by default in these positions. Maybe buildings should have fuel and crash after a few minutes in the air?

[@JosiahLuscher]

Aw, I hope not, it's been that way forever, that would be like Protoss loosing shields.

[@lelekelelep]

that 1st game is more epic than many bronze league heroes cast

[@swimstud600]

"Moopies celebrating the death of terrans" I see you Winter, well played.

[@WeLoveWave]

SCV repairs, flying buildings, mules. Does Terran need anything else for these kinds of scenarios? Jeeze

[@EthanMoses-xp9fq]

Honestly in my personal opinion 45% of the entire reason i watch 7/10 of winters videos, is for the intro. I love his intros their so polite and curtious and then the end of it is just *chef kiss* thanks for always giving me a good smile my dude! :)

[@CALISUPERSPORT]

You're in the minority. The rest of us watch for Jimmy, Brenda & Susan.

[@moradagh983]

Wonder if the balance council would add a flight/fuel timer on terran buildings so they can't just hide in the corner? Like 2 minutes or something would be cool to stop this sort of thing

[@scarletspidernz]

17:23 Terrans with their BS, clearly he lost but doesn't want to admit defeat. Terrans floating buildings after initial 10s should cost 10 vespene gas per second to continue floating without landing.

[@Twiixq]

It's a bit much but the idea is cool

[@twincast100]

Thanks!

[@retroguy7093]

Winter, you're the best part of some people's days. Please keep uploading

[@Greenlink01]

So really, the 1st game was won by Showtime, who executed well in the late game there, but ridiculous floaty building BS made it into a draw. What nonsense. Edit: and now at the end, Showtime would be up 2 - 1 if not for the draw. I'm fuming for him. What a dumb mechanic.

[@benismann]

he also lost all his probes and just generally got bullied before the basetrade. So i wouldnt call it imbalanced, at least for this game. It was not fun to watch, i can agree on that.

[@WolfgangGaming-xq5rm]

Microwaves most effectively heat water in your food, then fats, and lastly carbs. So that’s why the cheese in the middle heats before the bread on the outside and why a wet paper towel would help with the heating process distribution issue.

[@spamhere1123]

The best way to get more even heat in your microwaved food is to lower the power level and microwave it for longer. Most microwaves default to full power. 5 minutes on power level 8 is better for heating cold/frozen food than 2 minutes on power level 10. Warm all the way through.

[@aarongiroux5416]

seeing this comment without context is great XD

[@ntm4]

Another thing that can help is cooking for twice as long at half the power. That gives the heat time to spread from the hot areas to the cold ones.

[@aidanholden0]

34:35 excellent 👌

[@Metaspace2]

A dozen Disruptos ending up with hitting one marine, one marauder, and one ghost. Makes you think

[@JCAMason]

lets be honest. vikings dont cost enough for what they offer. they are fast, can counter a lot a different units and they cost next to nothing.

[@JeanLucPicard85]

Watching Disruptors in this vid just makes me wanna cry.

[@patatica]

They only thing disruptors do is disrupting the audience.

[@ivanvoronov2503]

38:38 hot pocket information boys write it down write it down😂

[@miza6]

it’s not tuesday. it’s day 1479

[@Wilde_Wolfe]

Game 1: mind blowing to see that floating building cheese in a tourny with actual pros.... They need to make buildings slowly run out of fuel and crash. So stupid.

[@xXTheBennyXx]

Why don't Terran buildings have a fuel meter? Like if you don't land your buildings they start taking rapid damage untill you land it???

[@nope-87-12x]

3:30, medivac teleporting a cyclone before the stalkers laser beam can hit. Terran IMBA has broken the speed of light!

[@davehollis5816]

Terrans have so much privilege it's insane

[@hivetech4903]

Showtime played horribly... game 5 was the most cringe army control ever.

[@andrinhirschi3829]

Usually the air is gone, terran hides it and it's done. But here it too a long time to make it final.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

"This Terran Strategy is Literally Unbeatable" -ShowTime is in the game oh no.

[@pitecusH]

Ahh yes, the age old setup: Germany vs. Poland :D

[@SSYoung125]

Holy crap The thumbnail was not clickbait let's freaking go🎉

[@Synfralidro]

6:24 I had the same surprised look on my face from that.

[@Sorenzo]

If MaxPax turns out to be a Prince of Denmark, I'm gonna start advocating for abolishing Parliament so he can become absolute ruler 😂

[@Papada00]

37:32 we agree 👍

[@RoAF_Dev_Team]

I'm on the road rn, can't wait to get home and watch Winter, really need this Day to get just a little bit better. Edit: got home and already watching Winter, my day got a whole lot better!

[@laureloneiros1500]

Again, the worse player wins with the better race

[@Aziraphale686]

That was the most tense game of starcraft I have ever seen.

[@ecknal2251]

I really like you wearing that suit, makes you look professional and stuff.

[@SSYoung125]

I've been watching your videos for over a year and I think that's the first time Colossus won the game.

[@Monk98]

46:21 I'm sorry what💀💀💀

[@jbbj-j1h]

SHOWTIME!!!! haha you saved us BROTOSS face man. that was too close

[@colinfraser7150]

I'm sitting here eating dinner after work now, I just want to go back and buy some hot pockets.

[@reallycarl]

"This is a David Kim game" 😆

[@BatkoNashBandera774]

2:33 just give your regular templar this here roll up.

[@patatica]

Showtime deserved the first match. So unreasonable that buildings can be out of range forever while the other two races can't hide their buildings. I don't see the balance there. Even with 0 supply, 0 army, 0 workers Terran has this advantage and can't be defeated.

[@TysonJensen]

The only thing Zerg and Protoss can agree on -- the Terran Balance Council should invite the other races to comment occasionally on balance patches.

[@scarletspidernz]

Back in broodwars days protoss could cloak their buildings, have it hidden 😢

[@sneediumminer]

how about not committing to a base trade against a terran with 0 scvs and no bases while your main is still intact and you can recall at any time

[@scarletspidernz]

@@sneediumminer Terran had 2 command centers floating, that counts as a bases for operations. But there's various other scenarios like even with Zerg that this can happen, Zerg don't Have recall what are the suppose to do? Even TVT Terran can end up where one floats his building away while ther only has ground army. What then huh?

[@patatica]

​@@sneediumminer how about making a reasonable asymmetrical balance where both opponent can win or lose?

[@Gck77]

"the map is dark and full of terran :D"

[@andrinhirschi3829]

One of the most interesting draws ever.

[@forsterjurgen]

First draw ive seen in a pro match wow gg

[@10coolfacts]

The first game was fire. Constant base trading.

[@joemoore1023]

Liked and subscribed. Commented for the algorithm overlords. Gratitudes❤

[@hosackies]

That draw was intense!

[@vox5505]

This is so easily fixed in tournament rules. Many other tournament games have a rule that goes like this: If player 1, *but not player 2,* has a game state which can stall indefinitely but cannot end in a win, player 1 loses. Easy.

[@atifarshad7624]

I don't know how I feel about this. It seems unfair to punish the player for just being in an unloseable scenario.

[@vox5505]

​@@atifarshad7624 It's not "punishing." They lost the ability to win the game, but the other player didn't. From every point of view that makes any sense, they lost the game. That's just in general. In Starcraft, this isn't even reasonably debatable. Only one of the three races has access to this gamebreak. It is definitionally unfair.

[@atifarshad7624]

@@vox5505 oh, I read it the other way around. In that case, I agree.

[@billyhill434]

Balance change. Terran buildings lose health slowly while flying.

[@ramonluque1850]

Agree

[@nfzeta128]

nah just fuel meter, after which the building either takes damage over time or just crashes and is destroyed instantly.

[@hivetech4903]

That would be a severe Terran nerf which has nothing to do with the draw scenario. Forcing a draw happens like once in a thousand pro games so changing that won't affect balance. It would however weaken an already weak mech style (couldn't float a scouting rax), and all proxies would become all-ins which would break the game.

[@james-k7o9b]

Here for the best adverb adjectives

[@Toddster2304]

Game 1: Why didn't Showtime just "Recall" his army and keep all his probes and nexus? Was recall down? Did he just miss it?

[@sakuyarules]

Liked and subscribed because I like adjectives.

[@smokingbeard7796]

21:02 a complete what? XD

[@a.b.coating]

Shift

[@smokingbeard7796]

@@a.b.coating nuh uh xD

[@RTO1992]

Thank you so much Winter.

[@petey309]

I’m doing my part 🫡

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@ulysesjoos6628]

Thank you winter

[@hueypham04]

hero vikings in the last game

[@Amos-61]

0:08 Protoss ?

[@TouristAarchie]

noob winter😂

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Day made better. Thanks winter!

[@WhoTheLoL]

"Silly Rogue vs ByuN games" lol

[@natecw4164]

Starting to feel like you can't base trade a Terran without taking your alongside your army

[@inity]

i still dont get it why only terran buildings can fly

[@OnigoroshiZero]

More tools for their favorite kids. Terran is a cheat race, the players themselves (except Clem) suck so much because they never had to learn to play an an actually high level in order to win, that's why Serral obliterated everyone until Clem reached his skill level (and now Serral obviously can't win with the insane difference in the races).

[@patrick9329]

okay all respect gone for both

[@robinstraube9335]

I dont get why showtime didn't recall his stalkers at like 10min in game one, if he stabilized his base he'd have the win

[@julianmhu]

Lollllll "probelems"

[@uncletimo6059]

Didn't know there was a Polish pro player...... edit: come to think of it, didn't know there was a German one, either. The first game was hilarious, I haven't laughed so much since... well, at least a month.

[@Cody-gg4ni]

Wintersc2 🎉

[@OnigoroshiZero]

The versatility, power, and cost-efficiency of the Terran units (and buildings) is just stupid. The only way to fix this game at this point is to remove the cheat race entirely.

[@benismann]

Mild spoiler i suppose: 11:54 real hard to get excited when it's a draw or toss loses. Winter is trying tho. i aint saying this should be nerfed or anything, showtime basetraded pretty poorly. But it's just not fun to watch.

[@solidex0]

the polish protoss?`

[@verdibyrd]

cool, balance is so skewed that a noob who has never been anything in sc like spirit can now beat the 3rd best protoss, wp terran council. edit: winter literally unable to keep a straight face when saying 'i hope you enjoyed' at the end says it all lmfao.

[@SD-jf7nb]

...Their morals...😂

[@WizardyDylan]

so stupid that protoss loses these, i was in a fight on ur discord about this scenario

[@artemisspawnofzeus7732]

The fact that terran gets such a ridiculous arvantage as they can base trade to either a draw or a win is ridiculous. A terran with floating buildings should be considered out.

[@ermahgerd8427]

absolutely correct! so sick of all these draws that we are constantly seeing. I estimate 9 out of 10 games at least

[@bigstreetguns6619]

​@@ermahgerd8427Doesn't matter if we see them often or not, flying your buildings into the corner, while being outplayed, is BS and shouldn't exist. That should be an auto loss.

[@acc85us]

Autolike! You rock winter

[@kingzac3856]

Same

[@gabinandino4342]

THANKS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT COMMENT WE'RE THE LOUDEST CROWD

[@AKAsubtor]

Liked commented and sub....

[@thewealthofnations4827]

New to SC2?

[@AKAsubtor]

@@thewealthofnations4827 Yes very new only started watching it this year.

[@bothpinkysbroken]

sehr nice 👍

[@ReiHinoSenshi]

liking and subscribing is still free..for now. Way to give youtube more idea's..lol

[@WastedTalent83]

people saying "terran aren't the favorite race" tell me WHO other can win, by just lifting a building and putting in a place where you can't reach. even tho they had like 0% chance of winning otherwise.

[@benismann]

he didnt win tho?

[@WastedTalent83]

@@benismann that's pro lvl man. are you serious? you're taking the best players ever to say "oh no you don't win with that option available" that NO OTHER race has :D

[@hangover89]

Man I am really sick of marine/medivac/marauder

[@keeper10024]

algorithm +1

[@juanpablogarcia5362]

I cannot stand watching terran anymore.. there is NOTHING BALANCED about terran anymore, it was already unbalanced as it is before last patch, now it's next to unplayable as a Protoss.. when even the own Terran pro players admit to their race being broken you know the game is fcked, but the Devs are all terran player themselves and just say "fck everyone else" 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@DavidSmith-fx8lo]

"completely unpredictable sc2 series"...first game, early adepts to delay CC, blink, charge....never seen that before. :D

[@ixioxp119]

It really feels like that against terran protos might as well not have aoe Templar just get emped, colosi are ridiculously vulnerable to a spammable unit and while it takes s lot of skill, disruptors just never hit anything

[@archrexem7274]

being able to fly your buildings into a corner just to force a draw is the most pathetic feature in SC2... buildings only should be able to take off if you select a landing area instead of hitting one button to fly anywhere on the map

[@napalmballwipes]

how mf gonna call draw when he literally cant build an scv and is actively getting shot at, maybe 5 minutes earlier but he played it out

[@chiefyk]

🛡️ Spoiler shield 🛡️

[@exterminans]

Is this bronze age heroes?

[@hishandchips]

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