Winton Motor Carriage Company | From Bikes to Diesel Trains to Forgotten

[@AllCarswithJon]

When we look back at the early auto years, there were dozens if not hundreds of makes that produced a few cars here and there and faded away. I've not heard of most of them. :) But Winton was an expensive, luxury brand and at one time the top selling manufacturer in the US. With innovations like the steering wheel, and the first cross-country drive, and his racing history, and so much more. Yet I'd never heard of them until I was researching Packard. After I learned more, it's a darn shame his fame hasn't carried on.

[@Jah216land]

"Winton isn't a famous name that I think most people have ever heard of..." is a very true statement, at least in my case. I'm from Cleveland, born and raised and 27 year resident, and you blew my mind on this one. Grandfather had 3 plain dealer paper routes when I was a youngster and he would pay my cousins and I to help deliver them. Instilled a work ethic in us too. Famous newspaper. Anyway. I never once heard of Winton, or the west side factory and I'm from the West side of Cleveland. You would think a history clsss would have had at least a chapter covering this from K-12. Thank you for this 👍🏻👍🏻

[@AllCarswithJon]

You're very welcome, and thanks for leaving the comment! When we look back at the early auto years, there were dozens if not hundreds of makes that produced a few cars here and there and faded away. I've not heard of most of them. :) But Winton was an expensive, luxury brand and at one time the top selling manufacturer in the US. With innovations like the steering wheel, and the first cross-country drive, and his racing history, and so much more. Yet I'd never heard of them until I was researching Packard. After I learned more, it's a darn shame his fame hasn't carried on.

[@Jah216land]

@@AllCarswithJon "to the vicror goes the spoils." History is written by the winners, and Rockefeller, but thst story is for a different documentary content channel. Kind of makes you wonder how many other innovators through human history, or to box it up American history never got the recognition they deserved. Most famously is Nikola Tesla. Money talks and just from watching your channel there were several lesser known automobile manufacturers swallowed up by the powerful two along the way. Although, the dodge brothers story is very interested. Similar start in bicycles, alap had ties with Ford, the name is still here but has been passed around like a suoerbowl football. Great story though. Might want to do a video on them if you haven't already. Thanks again, you've made a fan out of me. Funny story I was watching tge Chrysler LHS video when this dropped. I hated there suspension and they were notorious for steering rack problems, I had to change one out but once you got in it man they got that spacious interior right. Have a good one. See ya in the next videos comments 😆

[@mrgurulittle7000]

As soon as you mentioned Ford then I remembered Winton as the guy who lost those two races to Ford. I didn’t know he had his own car company. Fascinating story.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I'd never heard of him before I did the Packard video. When I found out he'd bought a Winton I just assumed that was one of those tiny, short lived brands and basically waved it off. But it nagged at me and I started looking into it and found the story to be compelling. A major influence in early US autos, as much as Oldsmobile, but just kind of forgotten in history.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@AllCarswithJonYeah, I didn’t realize how huge a company Winton was back then. And it’s cool to think their spiritual successor is in the heavy duty diesel division of GM.

[@Modeltnick]

His great grandson recently passed away locally. He owned several of the cars and participated in a reenactment of one of the Winston vs. Ford races.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Honestly I'd never heard of Winton before. History picks who gets remembered & it seems Mr Winton dipped out. Thanks Jon.

[@robertallan4489]

Excellent insight and presentation. An unforgettable video. Though not widely known presently, your videos of the auto industry may cast a wide influence on those who appreciate fine documentaries.

[@timmcooper294]

Really excellent video. I think it's really important to bring up these lesser known topics of auto history, it really helps people understand the industry and how rich and diverse it was in it's early years, and the connections through the decades.

[@Hobotraveler82]

I've heard of Winton Automobiles. But never knew they made engines and was bought out by GM. Awesome. Thanks for sharing 😊 😊

[@AllCarswithJon]

Thanks for watching!

[@wilco3588]

My grandmother grew up in Chicago her father was a very famous Jeweler Jergens. They had a Winton six with a French chauffeur. In the winter time it had a closed Body and they used "auto furs" to keep warm. In the summer it went to the Winton garage and had its Summer Body installed which was a open touring car. They took it to California on the Lincoln Highway in the twenties. I'm trying very hard to get pictures from family members of that trip.!

[@AllCarswithJon]

How cool! Thanks for the comment!

[@grahamcannell9692]

A truly excellent brief history. I can't help how things may have turned out if Winton had taken on Ford as his employee.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I don't think much would have changed, at least for Winton. He continued with stodgy and very expensive cars, so if it wasn't Henry revolutionizing price and assembly lines, it would have been someone else like Ransom Olds or the Dodge Brothers.

[@matttravers5764]

Love these historical videos! Great job!

[@AllCarswithJon]

Thank you very much!

[@obesetuna3164]

Most fascinating. Thank you.

[@AllCarswithJon]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@knuckles1206]

Being a rail enthusiast, I was estatic was I saw this vid i my recommends. EMD , ironiclly for GM, dominated locomotive manufacturing in north america until the 80s, with they're cab units being arguably as iconic as the Tri-Five Chevy and 59 Cadillac.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I only touched on the EMD years. As an auto history, I didn't want to wander into those weeds too deeply. :)

[@GnuReligion]

Kinda channeling "The History Guy" in this one. hehe. Nice episode!

[@AllCarswithJon]

Cool! I haven't watched one of his videos in a long time, so it'll be cool to check one out and compare!

[@tripflycfi]

Loved this one!

[@AllCarswithJon]

Thanks!

[@arieljones4595]

Im embarrassed that I'd never heard of Winton. Thanks for a great video. It was interesting and informative. The thing about Winton and Ford racing is crazy! Can you imagine today, Mary Barra and Allan Mullaly dusting it up? Maybe Ferdinand piech in a kart in front of them throwing back banana peels.

[@AllCarswithJon]

If I had any animation skillz I'd totally do a video with that. :)

[@GabrielSBarbaraS]

Producing only 690 vehicles in 1922, The Winton Motor Car Company officially ceased operations on February 11, 1924, selling its plant in July of that year. Alexander Winton continued to operate his marine engine works until 1930, when General Motors purchased it and renamed it The Cleveland Diesel Engine Division.

[@don66hotrod94]

Always learn from your videos.

[@AllCarswithJon]

Thanks. Hope you enjoyed it!

[@alstruck8063]

Another great video Jon, I do like your content and presentation. Thanks again.

[@AllCarswithJon]

I appreciate that!

[@michaelbogdanowicz5059]

When I was a kid readers digest had a story on a car going across country with a winton that’s when I learned the name

[@warrenny]

So cool. When I was young I read a few RD stories....great narration/great short story telling.

[@user-surly]

So most likely Alexander Winton and Henry Ford did not exchange Christmas cards? A shame- and they had so much in common....

[@warrenny]

😁

[@Project_Low_Expectations]

Love it

[@jamesonpace726]

Wow - you all really know some car stuff....

[@raymond_sycamore]

I swear Jon, you make up half of these cars and car brands you cover. I've never heard of literally over half of the things you make a video about!

[@warrenny]

lol. Sometimes the internet can be useful. Moderation is the watchword. Though for car enthusiasts, Winton is well known due to patent fight issue with Ford and Selden and the "go build your own car" challenge to Packard.

[@wilco3588]

There were hundreds of different car manufacturers in the United States some of them lasted a few years and there's some history about them some of them built one or two cars and cease to exist

[@robertalshamma-oo3sh]

Is there a connection between Detriot Diesel and the Cleveland engine division? Both GM owned?