Witcher 3: Killing Dijkstra and Saving Roche - Reason of State

[@deadmanslastwish]

I've always found Dijkstra's death to be a low point of the game. Not that I had a problem with killing him, but to have him die in such a unceremonious way seams underwhelming. A pivotal character like him in both the game and the books deserves at least a cutscene death.

[@NinjapowerMS]

Exactly. This guy was smart and knew not to mess with Geralt, come on what the hell was he thinking trying to kill Geralts buddies in front of him? At least do it when geralt is out of sight. Even then using man power on Geralt this is pretty stupid on Djikstra when he's fully aware of Geralts capabilities.

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@NinjapowerMS Yeah that was a dumb move. Witcher neutrality in matters of politics isn't even really a factor here. Geralt is just protecting his friends. The fact that those friends happen to have goals relating to the future political state of the world has absolutely no bearing on Geralt's decision whatsoever. The fact that Djikstra couldn't realize this simple fact makes him look like a dumbass and we know he's not stupid.

[@mikedevaney3507]

Yeah their should have been a cut scene

[@balabanasireti]

No.

[@vinnicinhus44]

@@NinjapowerMS I always though Dijkstra was very stupid. He talks like he owns me. When I went to get Phillipa, he was acting like I couldn't kill him with one finger. That pissed me off.

[@daniel-ve7yp]

Roche helped me fight wild hunt and protect Ciri, and Dickstra did not. The choice here was simple.

[@ferradosa757]

Just the same bro. Just the same. An easy choice

[@E96]

Dijkstra's help depends on you. Same thing for Roche's.

[@MinimumWageMaximumJoy]

And Roche let Ves have the killing blow. A true leader bolstering his young freedom fighter's cofidence. Thats my take on this particular video at least and now its head canon.

[@certifiedsexhaver8400]

Gray Fox exactly my thought process

[@denomizotakh]

Demetrius Rafael not serious help by dijkstra , he's just giving you some money

[@mysticmajestic2360]

"Then you'll die with them," says Dijkstra to a fully trained witcher who could probably take every single one of them down blindfolded. Yeah, smart move.

[@Catonzo]

Peasants killed Geralt. They are specialized monster hunters. You mustn't put Geralt on a pedestal before remembering that they are still humans, just evolved. Their magics are mere parlor tricks, but exceptionally useful for a shrewd fighter in one on ones or to confuse/disorient another. They are not really capable of killing with these tricks. A group of soldiers would very much cause problems for a Witcher. They have tactics and formations that a Witcher is not trained in. But since it's a game, AND because there are soldiers on your side as well (Roche is a very, very seasoned fighter), it becomes a balanced fight. Make no mistake, I am not saying a normal soldier could kill Geralt easily in any way, form or fashion. However surround a Witcher, even Geralt, and mere peasants with pitchforks can kill Witchers. Peasants did lay waste to Kaer Morhen, after all. Multiple Witchers and Witcher-apprentices present. Still lost.

[@kyle21843]

@@Catonzo but dijkstra has seen first hand what geralt can do in the books when geralt killed several of his men and broke dijkstras leg in mere seconds

[@Ariel24K]

@@Catonzo They're way above normal human, their movements are described as too fast to be perceived with naked eyes, and they can parry a crossbow bolt, a freaking crossbow bolt ! a quick google search will show you a medieval crossbow bolt can reach up to 300 fps which is faster than most modern supercars, deflecting a 1/2 inch target coming at you at such speed is definitely superhuman level feat Witcher's signs are mere parlor tricks only when compared to a full blown sorcerers magic arsenal, just like how our igni is a very watered down version of Triss's fireblast or Aard to Keira's telekinetic blast. They are still lethal to kill some paltry humans and geralt lets his guard down when that peasant boy killed him, a mistake that he will surely not repeat now once he is older and ripened with age dijkstra wouldn't have done such brazzen attack like this, he is a fucking spy, he can assassinate them quietly and mask it as some kind of accidents or whatnot, this is just an example of bad writing

[@Catonzo]

​@@Ariel24K First of all, I never said that a Witcher isn't above a normal human. However there are exceptional humans that defeated Witchers - or at least claimed to have killed them and collected their medallions. This character in the books would be Leo Bonhart. His achievement is questioned, but being questioned doesn't mean it's automatically false. And even if he were to have assassinated them, that is in itself a HUGE achievement given their immeasurably heightened senses and near immunity to poison. Second, a 300fps isn't impossible to be seen by the naked eye. 0,1 second for the bolt to reach ~10 meters is not impossible to react to, especially if it's predicted. Deflecting it, however, is nigh impossible for a regular human and I am not going to take such away from their skills. And yes, the pitchfork to the gut is a result of him with his guard down, but that is also proof of being human, if mutated and extremely strong. I do consider it a bad thing that they made Djikstra willing to kill all of them, but it is not impossible for a band of soldiers to kill Geralt. That he defeated them in the game is obviously for story progression.. not because it was a given for any situation. Otherwise it's just as much 'lore' that a single Drowner manages to kill Geralt because we let our arthritic 90 year old grandparent play the game.

[@Ariel24K]

@@Catonzo obviously during several hundreds of years of witcher's existance there are those that fell by the hands of mere humans, yes, but some trickery is usually on play, remember Gaetan ? and Kiyan, as well as Aiden, all three witchers got tricked in a way and i believe Bonhart must have tricked the witcher's he killed. And i dont think witcher's are near immune to poisons, Geralt still cant brave poisonous gas under Dijkstra's lair. Its not impossible for a group of soldiers to kill Geralt, yes but its also not the smartest solution to an end, and Dijkstra should've known that. Dijkstra doesn't even bring that many men, how many was it ? 8 ? 9 ? 10 at most ? Geralt along with Roche Ves and Thaler wouldn't have any trouble whatsoever against such few mens, i'd reckon to overwhelm them you'll need at least 20 with multiple crossbowmen from differrent angles, even then such brutish tactic is really not in-character for Dijkstra

[@rando5638]

3:55 The moment Thaler thinks "Thank FUCK, the witcher's on our side."

[@multilocolocolocloc1937]

lol never noticed

[@Promuangza]

lmfao

[@Elake_Simon]

It's like he also thought "Oh, good. Geralt's with us, so we got nothing to worry about" :D

[@rezrezas]

Small gesture like this, make this game awesome

[@ninjapurpura1]

Thaler: gg ez

[@RealRisingRabbit]

The funny thing is when I played through this scene I ended up cutting off Dijkstra's legs.

[@graham1158]

the irony

[@normlord6357]

Same bro. Made me laugh out loud

[@tomferr22]

Me too xd

[@jihadnovak3783]

I ended cutting off the left arm

[@clavicusvile1328]

I cut him in half

[@stefos01]

''FIGHT YOU DIMWITS'' *Stands still while being pierced with a sword.*

[@Promuangza]

He fought in my playthrought though. Must be a bug.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

I just experienced the same bug in my playthrough. He just stood there like a moron while everyone hacked him to pieces. Trouble is, Dijkstra's death didn't trigger the following cutscene. Vernon was doing the moonwalk in place. Ves was on her knees bawling her eyes out and Thaler was sitting on an invisible chair. I had to reload the previous save for it to work correctly.

[@onestop3941]

Same bug happened to me, must be somewhat common

[@Ferrettototo]

He'll said sth like "I 've to do everything myself? " then he'll get down and fight u

[@JustBeCreative99]

I had the same bug, but in a boss fight with caranthir

[@Pelagion98]

3:56 I love the expression on Thaler's face. Like the moment Geralt says he is on their side Thaler knows that he is going to live because he knows that Geralt get's shit done.

[@xLetalis]

indeed!

[@MrLuna098]

Thaler's like "bitch thank the gods" 3:55

[@didimockets]

MrLuna098 LOL

[@siegwardofcatarina100]

Correction "bitch thank the bloody gods"

[@mrnobody6354]

What was he thinking? "To kill 4 people, 2 of whom are well-trained special force commandos, 1 is a witcher who trained from birth to kill monsters and humans... I know, I'll need 6 random thugs."

[@xLetalis]

indeed...

[@ConradKurze]

pretty sure Thaler got 1 or 2 diry tricks behind himself too.

[@AstralAnubes]

Yea this quest was poorly made and honestly wish they cut Dkstra out entirely. Dudes supposed to be “smart” I guess that was a lie lol.

[@kronoscamron7412]

Gotta love Roche his unconditional support for Geralt is amazing, love this guy.

[@drazarkabalblade9486]

The entire scene is nothing short of.. well, unclimactc. I mean, why the hell Dijkstra should go so balls on the wall insane to attack straight to their faces, with only common dudes? Even without knowing that Geralt would be there, Roach, Ves and even Thaler are though survivors, and he knows that.. he would have never attacked in such a direct way, it's so out of charachter...

[@dildoballins8545]

His name is spelled Roche, Roach is the name Geralt gives to his horses

[@drazarkabalblade9486]

Dammit, i knew i would fuck his name again XD

[@dildoballins8545]

Drazar Kabalblade Yeah, like how you fucked up your life... #roasted

[@xaviervega468]

Counting on witcher neutrality was a dumb move considering he already asked Geralt to break it just to take part in the plot.

[@GritzMentality]

Thing is, if any of you read the books you'll see that geralt is not that "superman", he is bad ass, yes.. but human nonetheless. (Plus: he gets banged real hard sometimes, mostly against monsters obviously).

[@respiratoryfailure3780]

3:57 the gesture of relief Thaler makes made me chuckle

[@Darklarik]

This sucks because Dijktra is 100% right. Ehmyr wont keep his word for long, and the freedom he grants is an illusion. Mages wont be persecuted but they wont be treated well under Nilfgard either, which was the whole point for which Geralt got involved. Sigi is a bastard, but he has his head in the right place, and he has a noble and progressive goal. Much as i love Roche and Ves, we are talking about the fate of thousands of people (Everyone in the north) and the future of the land landing in the hands of Ehmyr. Had to let them bite the dust, but i felt like shit about it since they helped a Kaer... still, got to look at the bigger picture and not at the fact your favorite tree got cut down.

[@alinazhidil9817]

Yeah, I feel the same way about Dijkstra, and I was going to let him rule, but when playing through this quest I never can kill Roche, who literally just risked his life fighting for my daughter against a supernatural enemy he has no business fighting against. I think that's exactly why so many people agree that this quest is such a let down. Hell, on my current playthrough Dijkstra was killed so fast and so easily that for a sec I was confused where he went(

[@DragonKing19th]

I know exactly how you feel this is the hardest choice in the game in my opinion, I really like Roche and Ves I really do but I couldn't just hand over the north and its people to Emhyr wo is no bettre than Radovid.

[@Al-Basha_]

Finally someone has mind to think

[@Badgerbadger1]

If you get the Ciri as Empress ending then a lot of what you pointed out is not going to be as big of an issue IMO.

[@BotBoy-un3pz]

But the choice feels really out of character for geralt to the point that I wonder why you were even given a choice here in the first place. Sure, maybe looking at the big picture djikstra ruling would be better. But geralt just walking away and letting roche, a loyal friend who he fought alongside with and who risked his life to protect ciri, die really doesn’t seem like something he would ever do.

[@graham1158]

geralt and his crew just butchered several dozens of radovids personal guards... did dikstra really fucking think that geralt A: wouldn't let them kill his friends and B: wouldn't be able to kill a bunch of hired thugs? wtf is wrong with disktra? i thought he was supposed to be intelligent...

[@GmodArgentina]

Dijkstra looks like Thanos lol

[@GmodArgentina]

I knew i wasn't crazy lol

[@superbanana1140]

JPG or you can say that thanos looks like djikstra :)

[@ironvix3n845]

You know waht is funnier ? The french voice actor who dubbed dijkstra actually dub thanos in avengers.

[@b.m.5068]

Stop using too many lols Lol

[@rivaraptor4277]

Looks more like Shimano from Yakuza

[@asj412]

They roped Geralt into this by playing on his need to protect those he cared about. Did Djkstra truly not consider that after all they’d been through, Geralt might care for Roche and Ves as well?

[@Erine120]

I don’t care who wins as long as Radovid loses

[@DevilHunter1994]

Yeah to be honest, the other two options (assuming you don't put Ciri on the throne and just let her live out her dream) both have positives and negatives to them. Radovid though...is just a fucking madman. I could stomach either Emyhr or Dijkstra on the throne, even if I don't particularly like either of them. Radovid though absolutely had to die.

[@SharkVaderYT]

@@DevilHunter1994 I completely agree I would prefer Roche on the throne

[@iljagaimovic9166]

@@DevilHunter1994 Dream? Witchers almost all disappeared, and monsters become less end less (In game you fight monsters on each step, but in reality they are like unicorns in this world) In book witcher time has passed and people became more organised and don't need them anymore to kill monsters. They was created as weapons when worlds merged, and believe me there is no witcher who want to be a witcher. They were tools without emotions created with sole purpose to kill monsters in period while humans, elves and dwarfs tried to adopt to changing world. :/ World just don't need them anymore and this is the truth. Most of their secret gone. And they can't produce witchers anymore :/ Lambert is from last generation, and secret how to make new ones is gone with Vesemir

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@iljagaimovic9166 Ciri doesn't need to undergo the trial to become a proper Witcher, since her natural abilities are already extraordinary enough to make up for the fact that she doesn't have a Witcher's senses. So, no longer knowing how to create a proper Witcher really isn't an issue in her case. As for no one wanting to be a Witcher, while that is true 99% of the time, Ciri is the other 1%. She has always wanted to be a Witcher and if we choose the ending where she's allowed to become one, it's made very clear that she enjoys the work.

[@iljagaimovic9166]

@@DevilHunter1994 It doesn't work like this. Even if she grows a beard, she will not became the dwarf. As i said monsters almost dissapear from the world, their skills just not needed anymore. On who she will hunt? Geralt and the guys are the last ones. Even word witcher does has men sentence. Witcheres world doesn't exist in east folklore.(If you didn't know on east they were like druids) If she want's to be a monster hunter, ok. Doesn't matter, but please don't call her a witcher, it's like name the table as an chair, she more like witch or sorcerer, witch are much powerful than witchers, and are absolutly different breed.

[@mozuesolympian2988]

This is so out of character for Dijkstra. He is smart enough to know he wouldn't be able to get away with killing geralts friends RIGHT in front of geralt. It would of made sense for Geralt to return to visit roches camp or somewhere in the city and find out that Dijkstra killed roche and ves and the spymaster . Leaving the player to decide to kill the future / current king of redania depending on when you find out. Or after leaving we could come right back after a few sexonds and witness the dialogue that leads to dijkstra revealing he was waiting on geralt to leave so he could kill the remaining 3.

[@mozuesolympian2988]

Geralt of Trivia yes what if the spymaster who knows about truss and heralds adventures from when geralt and truss were riding with roche. Didn’t know about roche and geralt. Dijkstra was so incompetent he didn’t figure out enough about the people he ASSASINATED A KING WITH to know they just might know each other. What if this scene is just bad writing?

[@mozuesolympian2988]

Geralt of Trivia he knew there are multiple points in the game that show he knows much about Gerald that he doesn’t even need to know. Hell he literally references roche as a old friend of geralts and tells you where to find him. Idk if you ever committed a high stakes crime either. But you NEVER EVER work with people don’t know. Notice how geralt KNOWS everyone involved in the conspiracy. Come on man use context clues

[@dutchvanderlin2205]

@Geralt of Trivia This reads like you are being purposely dense.

[@mozuesolympian2988]

@@dutchvanderlin2205 Nail on the head.

[@wigglejelly4]

Gayrult of Ramming ass named his horse roche so that he came always remember that someday he will ride him.

[@walbert3294]

Haha, underrated comment!

[@notmyname3487]

Lol! Should be higher in the comments.

[@My_Garmonbozia]

this is my favorite KZbin comment.

[@icevlad148]

That's why I think they should've kept the same name for the horse "Plotka" It's easy to pronounce and remember. And now everyone thinks Geralt named his horse after a dude.

[@temerian4168]

Hahahaha very fun...no

[@diegodelgado2011]

I had a deal beyond of "just business" with Roche, he helped me with the Wild hunt and when Geralt was acussed.... i couldn't let him die....

[@Kulascus]

CDPR got lazy with this mission. Not even farewell cutscene for Dijkstra? One of the most important characters from saga? Pffffff

[@gegensw4500]

those new writers just wanna shove nilfgaardian dicks in their mouths.

[@philippplein4974]

Can you have this ending ? -Ciri becomes a witcher -Romancing Yennefer -Roche lives, Temeria becomes independent once again, but Nilfgaard wins war ?

[@xLetalis]

yes

[@stevennge5907]

how please tell me? can ciri still become a witcher if i save roche? ... before that i didnt take ciri to Emhyr

[@ashishlalchandani]

Steven Nge do this for ciri witcher ending: Snowball fight with ciri Don't take ciri to emhyr Let ciri talk to phillipa alone Go with ciri to visit skjall's grave And select "go for it" Option ( i don't remember it exactly) I also saved roache and got ciri as witcher ending. Nothing to do with roache

[@ruuby1006]

@@ashishlalchandani you don't have to let her talk to Phillipa alone, just don't don't let her die and not letting her to emhyr

[@loooooool3]

philipp plein I have, the best ending imo

[@mightierthenthesword]

Dijkstra: "Geralt, the time has come. Execute Order Sixty-Six." Geralt: "Nope."

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

It should be noted, Djikstra was reckless enough to say the name "Vakmeth" on-stage; you're NEVER supposed to use that name (Macbeth) in a theater or during a theater production as it's supposedly cursed. Doing so brings tragedy (as he learned firsthand)

[@xLetalis]

oh I didn't know!

[@OvuncB]

4:26 After murdering Radovid and seizing his power, Djikstra thought he was a kind of a god. Not even the swords could harm him. Too overconfident. Shame...

[@bluejay6956]

Roche is a true friend of Geralt; he back him up when things goes wrong at Kaer Morhen after rescue Ves from danger and Dijkstra laughed at Geralt's face for not joining his alliance against the wild hunt, so Geralt made the right decision to save Roche. I knew Dijkstra cannot be trusted since the beginning in my game!

[@bluejay6956]

@L Durand But didn't go to Kaer Morhen for to join his group. That kind of Sigismund Dijkstra is a snake in my game. Imagine when Geralt was setup by King Radovid that order his guards to kill him but Roche came to his rescue. Roche was a good character to me, I don't know about you. Dijkstra all alone never like Geralt why he's a witcher.

[@bluejay6956]

@L Durand I see. Gerald did ask Dijkstra for his help. I hate the part when Gerald has to make the hardest decision of wither he can choose to accept Dijkstra's permission or to save Roche from danger. When I found out about the death of Roche after Geralt leave them from another video I watch. I said, wow; this can't be happening. Roche are the best patriot, then being so confused and sees in Dijkstra as a big liar before his fate. Yennefer once said unto Geralt, don't be a hero.

[@mohammadzola567]

@@bluejay6956 how did u believe djikstra can help battle at kaer mohen? -He is old, older than roche -He is a spy, not a soldier & he didn't have any military basic -He don't have leg, if u see in cutscene where he shows u his vault, you will see his leg (left leg if I am not mistaken) is fake leg. And with this how possibly u want him to join at kaer mohen? Lol

[@ConradKurze]

Dijkstra never pretended to be a "trusting friend". He was always crystal clear that it's business, Geralt broke both he legs ffs.

[@yellowpikmin6882]

The way his legs go at 4:34 when he falls off the stage lol

[@yashvintackoory2893]

Scary Terry in my game he hot off the stage but his fat head fell back on the stage

[@yeppumm1192]

we never got to receive the honours in vizima, I thought that would be the scene where geralt walks to emyhr with a row of guards on either side, but that cutscene wasn't even in the game

[@xLetalis]

Trent Manucho yep they tricked us ;]

[@Soulintent95]

Ok I was hoping it wasn't just me that got jackshit when going to vizimia... roughly 20hrs of playing later and still nothing.

[@yeppumm1192]

Soul Intent yea that cutscene from the pre game release footage was actually when you first meet emyhr, but obviously in the main game you just walk down the corridor of guards and speak to him in his room

[@nigelmamitag6051]

The way I see it Roche helped in the battle of Kaer Morhen, sigi refused to help so sigi can die for all I care.

[@toggtlas7099]

That means you let the witch hunters torture Triss in order to find Dijkstra's treasure. Awfully cold of you. :(

[@thomasouellet4655]

ive let triss get tortured but i could not find Dijkstra's treasure

[@Johnny3Batony]

Triss is a manipulative bitch.

[@smittywerbenjaggermanjensen69]

Togg Tlas thats what she wanted tho

[@jackrockwell6698]

I can’t kill Roche. He’s a way better guy than Dijkstra.

[@kronoscamron7412]

You did the right thing mate, even though dijkstra is right, I couldn't bring myself to watch Roche die, he is a brother no way I will let anyone kill Roche.

[@MinimumWageMaximumJoy]

Except he's not clear cut right either. Remember that Geralt is a small player in the scheme of things and Ciri just has to grow out of her fantasy and truly be a benefit to civilisation. All you get from Djikstra is duplicity. Intel gathering can be done by Vernon and his merry band of freedom fighters, and Geralt can continue to slog and slay monsters for bread crumbs, but with pride and peace of mind. We like him that way.

[@purpleey]

@@MinimumWageMaximumJoy says who

[@gabrielh5105]

So up to this point in the story, Geralt counts by his sword the heads of the most powerful men in Novigrad. He dealt with Caleb Menge, Whoreson Junior, the guy who threatened Zoltan and was becoming the new Whoreson Junior, Radovid, and now Djikstra.

[@eduardoADSL]

Roche was used by Radovid first, then he was discarded. Then Djikstra did the same, it was an easy choice to me. Even though Djikstra wants to create a kingdom of "free market" and industries, idea which I like, Djikstra is just another tyrant who spent his life stealing and killing people like Radovid or Emhyr.

[@smittywerbenjaggermanjensen69]

Eduardo Augusto Dijkstra only kills people who would conspire against him, to enthrone him. His folk and his country only gained advantages with him as a ruler

[@jesuscardenas2551]

Economic devolopment was the most important for me, with the raise of the merchants and capitalists (power in more hands) the state will become a democracy, monarchy will be repealed eventually.

[@chelecovers6893]

Look at what free market and industry did to America, it created a government of greedy assholes that would rather grease their pockets than take care of its people, where they would put lead and e coli in the drinking water or let people die in the streets if it made them an extra nickel. Dijkstra's free market model is a joke.

[@Guy-hd5lx]

chelecovers >free market >modern America Pick one please.

[@purpleey]

@@chelecovers6893 lol where did u get the infected water part from

[@iceviking8280]

I always laugh when Thaler exhales a sigh of relief when Geralt says he won’t let his friends die.

[@muslimayupov]

him exiling already proves the fact that they did not treat you as a friend

[@Catonzo]

I do love how Roche's stern look softens up at the mention of Temeria having it's own army. Looks like the old soldier will get to fight for his own country still! I love Roche - he's a very reliable man that was willing to fight the fucking Wild Hunt in what was more or less a suicide battle out of loyalty and sense of duty towards Geralt. You just don't willingly let such men die. Ves is also a very likable character, but she unfortunately doesn't really have a huge role.. though the fact that she fought alongside Geralt and Roche speaks volumes about her character.

[@RickeGnool]

I hate this quest because of how it ends, everyone makes dumb decisions.

[@alqamenesh7433]

>be dijkstra >former head of redanian intelligence, mob boss >master planner, 180IQ easily >one step from achieving your goal >"LOL hey witcher I know you don't care about politics and all and ultimately just want to protect your friends, but would you be alright with me killing your friends to further my political objectives lmao? >no? >lol big mistake bro, get him 3 default thugs! I'm such a machiavellian genius hehe Most disappointing plot twist ever. I actually usually let Dijkstra win not just cause his plan makes more sense but also cause I refuse to believe a man like that would die such a stupid death.

[@Ergeniz]

Conversely, I killed Dijkstra because such a imbecilic man has no business being alive. You could say it was a slaying done out of pity and mercy.

[@chevalmongole6566]

I feel that I'm going to shock some, but Roche's speech (at the end of the game anyway) is finally the same as some saying they were resistant in France during the Second World War and who had negotiated "France free "with Germany, thus imagining a lesser evil for their countries. And to push further the comparison (even if "comparison" is not right), aside from his mafia side, Dijkstra is almost like De Gaulle, whose detractors said he was a stealth resistant to London and who will finally appear as the providential man who cleared France of Petain (Radovid) and found "the greatness of France" (Téméria) against the Nilfgaard (Nazi Germany) I know, I push the cap a lot, but it's just to make it clear that the choice "Dijkstra" is quite defensible in the end if we transpose the situation outside the game. Finally, the choices of the game in the end are simple: A madman, an absolute dictator or corrupt corrupt. yeah the political situation of the north, specially the Temeria in the witcher 3 is very similar of France during the wolrd war 2 , so as a french... Dijkstra would win

[@xLetalis]

interesting

[@chevalmongole6566]

@@xLetalis Sorry 😔😔😔😔

[@ТАДАМ-ю4ж]

you dummy

[@avoidconfusion]

I find it puzzling that Dijkstra thought he can kill Geralt

[@Wasserkaktus]

This scene was ridiculous because Dijkstra is supposed to be far too intelligent to know that he could not kill the Temerians if Geralt was there to defend them.

[@delet-this]

He hoped for the witchers neutrality

[@artur6912]

@@delet-this "I hope that the dude that just committed a coup with me, will show no interest in politics." - Genius spymaster Sigismund.

[@XxXRlGOXxX]

The whole reason Geralt becomes involved is to help those closest to him (Yennefer, Ciri and Triss). Nilfgard doesn't treat mages well so handing the north to Ehmyr goes against his goals. Roche kept this from him because he knew Geralt would object. He betrayed Geralt and the whole north so Temeria could become a vassal state. Dijkstra is right in this regard, it was a shitty deal. Ultimately Geralt's intentions are clear. He wants to help mages. Dijkstra offers the best future for them since he acknowledges their importance and wants to form alliances with them. I hated letting Roche and Ves die but its not as if Geralt killes them. He just choses to be neutral and walk away. He said himself that when choosing between two evils its better to not chose at all.

[@gabrielh5105]

Djikstra could have been right. But from that to betraying the people that have trusted you, to the point that they did the dirty job for you and now you are going to kill them, that's is something that I could not walk away from

[@HotHeadCJ]

I don’t think those thugs killed them in that moment, they were elite soldiers. I think they survived and their resistance was hunted down. I think a free modernized north was the best option

[@infinite10304]

Thank you!!!! I needed this

[@teekay9886]

WARNING! Few spoilers ahead, regarding the future plans of some of the important characters. For those who still, after 5 years, didn't finished this game at least once, although I don't know why anyone in his right mind wouldn't have done it by now... Anyway, to the point. I partially agree with you, but consider this: Emhyr doesn't treat mages well, but on the other hand, he isn't organising witch hunts, imprisoning and burning them alive. Except Fringilla, but not because she's a mage but for reasons of personal betrayal. And he obviously can be reasoned with, provided he needs their services... Radovid is dead, that was the whole idea and it was done. If you ask mages about their opininons (for you've taken them as a focal point in this decision), Phillipa is plotting to be a Ciri's advisor, provided Ciri ends up "sharing" Nilfgaard throne with Emhyr. Yen decided to part with politics and find a quiet, cozy spot for her and Geralt when everything is over... But knowing Yen and her inclination to tamper with politics, if she didn't, she'd be probably, if nothing, at least considering to serve Emhyr. Even Ciri could be persuaded to stand by Emhyr's side, if you wish to guide her to that ending, and she, of all, has the best reason of all to hate his guts. My point - kings die, kingdoms fall, borders shift, politics change, one day mages can be in the mercy of their rulers, very next day that can change. So, in that whole political mess, and kings - mages relations that are being constantly changed all over the Continent, loyalty and care (of Roach and Ves towards Geralt), are one of the few constants one can find around. Are you willing to walk away and leave them to their demise purely for the sake of Dijkstra's visions of greatness, that could, one day, very well, bite him on his ass? They sacrificed their lives for the safety of Ciri. Fighting a vastly superior enemy. And Ciri's safety and getting rid of wild hunt is the ultimate goal. Speaking of their willingness to fight wild hunt alongside Geralt, wouldn't you think they'd be ready and willing to fight the black ones to protect her again?

[@bolg892]

Nilfgaard treats them significantly better than Radovid's Redania would've. Not to mention, just put Ciri on the throne and there will be peace lol.

[@susandontdeletemyaccount3863]

But, who’s gonna take care of Bart? :(

[@xLetalis]

Good question :(

[@Machina3123]

Geralt has never wanted to be involved in politics. I don’t think he would care about who rules the land as long as his friends and family are safe. Therefore, my takes on this quest are 1. He chose to kill Radovis to ensure the survival of mages and, to some degrees, non-human friends while avenging those killed before (the alchemist from tw1) 2. Roche and Ves went through hell with Geralt in TW2. Furthermore, they risked their necks against the Wild Hunt. They even accepted to fight along side Letho because Geralt had asked them. 3. Thaler helped Geralt, to some degrees, in TW1 4. Sigi only provided Geralt money (at best) to fight against the Hunt. Nothing guaranteed that he would not act against Geralt friends when he became king. 5. The Emperor, despite being a villain, did show some moderate tolerance to mages and give vassal states certain levels of independence (Toussaint). Furthermore, he did keep his words about Ciri. From one father to another, Geralt had some reasons to trust Emyr more than Sigi, who poke his nose in anythig Geralt had done. I still think we all know the clear choice here. A stupid quest though.

[@zero5496]

the fool made one mistake, he should do the Dijkstra sends his regard move instead of being there himself

[@MrGiselbart]

Even though I personally have some criticism about this quest, there really isn't a way you can win here. Either save your friends and hand the North to Nilfgaard, or let Dijkstra win and the North is ruled by Redania ( Dijkstra mentions he will unite ALL the North), which, under Dijkstra is just a re-colored Nilfgaard. Or you leave things as they are and Radovid just burns everyone he doesn't like. Really this quest doesn't have a good ending :(

[@Idk-og6cv]

Normally I side with Roche but on my last play through I wanted to see what happens if you side with Dijkstra and you could see the look of betrayal on the faces of Roche and ves

[@zaproda710]

I only now realised that Dijkstra's lines are straight from Shakespear's MACBETH, but they refrenced it by VACMETH instead , also it's actually indeed from Act 1, Scene 7, OMG THIS IS SOOO FUCKING COOL

[@bernardosantos8020]

Roche and Ves helped with the hunt, no way they’re gonna fucking die

[@ThatTonnatoTenrec]

i tough you were saving a horse

[@fluffygfx8651]

Run, Roach!

[@narutosage37]

This is the moment you have to choose between the character you befriended in the books, and the characters you befriended in the past games. Djikstra has been my favorite throughout Witcher 3, but he wanted my friends in Witcher 1&2 died in front of my eyes? I slided him in half with Olgierd's sword

[@lenthokchom]

No one is gonna touch my boy Roche.

[@MrAlek1988]

This mission is bugged. After i defeated them all, no cutscene appears, and nothing happens...

[@xLetalis]

+MrAlek1988 u gotta go to the end and interact with the house I think

[@MrAlek1988]

+xLetalis nah, it was bugged, but after reloading a couple times, i was able to finish it:P the reason i know it was bugged is because the characters in the room was totally out of place. the guy that sits down on the bench as the cutscene starts was sitting down mid air in the middle of the room:P

[@notmyname3487]

This never happened to me

[@Elaini-Gaming]

Happened to me. After killing all the mobs the quest didn't progress and Ves went to cry over them... I left the theatre area and returned. Problem solved.

[@BotBoy-un3pz]

This ending was so stupid. It’s really disappointing for such a well written, intelligent character as djikstra to die by suddenly losing all of his brain cells and deciding that he’ll somehow manage to kill a goddamn witcher.

[@martyvoe2381]

Ikr? Imo the worst quest in TW3 just bcs of the ending

[@thechadhuntress8061]

I always imagine Roche was a blond underneath that hat

[@peadardonnelly5043]

He won’t have to worry about his sore leg anymore lol

[@murrowboy]

0:06 won me over. Give the best "How The Fuck" award to Roche... Best Supporting role to Phillipa. Fuck Dickstra.

[@LightingbladeShen]

something funny... Dijkstra, who knows how strong and inhumanly tough it is to kill geralt, since he tried several times and even had his ankle twisted by geralt on Thanedd, brings a handful of dumbasses to do his fighting, when in the books Nilfgard spy network tried using top level assassins. And they died without a second thought. So how on earth has this suposedly clever man, not rounded up an entire army for Geralt alone...? Dijkstra, biggest dumbass of all

[@darkemperor3946]

At 5:09 when do we go and where in vizima to receive "honours" by roche. Perhaps someone can even give the clip of that scene.

[@SlowBoatSailing]

I just realized I can’t get the Empress ending despite killing Dykstra after the assasination ‘cause I did not take Ciri to Vizima in Blood on the Battlefield. I was leaning towards that ending but it seems it’s just between Ciri as a Witcher or the White Frost.

[@C_The_Guy]

althought it was an a-hole move to betray his supposed allies, Dijkstra still had a very good point; letting an opposing army take all of the other territories in order to end the war was poor military decision. i would imagine that that truce would be short lived. all of the forces of the north would coagulate into one army, and eventually launch an overwhelming attack on Temeria, and conquer that as well.

[@notenoughgarlic]

I come back to this vid when the franchise is back in my mind. It’s insane how few people played Witcher 2. If you thought THIS was an easy choice, then you’re missing out. Roche in 2 makes this “choice” look like choosing between a gourmet lobster dinner and like, sticking your head in a lion’s mouth or something. Roche in 2 is legit one of my favorite video game characters. He was too burnt out in 3, but glad people still loved him here.

[@truthiskey8625]

3:51 I would never let Dijkstra murder roche in cold blood plus he helped geralt with ciri against the wild hunt as well

[@ellis2888]

I knew the right choice for the worlds sake was letting Dijkstra do his stuff,but Vernon was such a great friend and he never asked Geralt what or why,he did just simple helped him.Thats what friends do. So let then Black Ones be the "lesser evil" then.

[@ТАДАМ-ю4ж]

its not right choice dummy

[@SassyPantsy]

if you play the witcher 2 this choice is pretty much automatic. i fell in love with Broche ever since geralt said "fuck you" when he reached to shake his tied hands.

[@supacopper4790]

It is really bad that either Roche or Djikstra must die in this quest. In the end I choose to help Roche because he helped Geralt in Kaer Morhen, along with Ves who also coming to help willingly with her commander.

[@GUN1GRAVE]

honestly, roche and thaler are not worth the sellout of every northern kingdom save temeria. always go with dijkstra trouncing nilfgard here.

[@rat_dragon]

"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly -" "- that but this blow might be the be-all and end-all here" **dramatic pause** "......what's that?" BEST REACTION YET! 🤣

[@tofattofly1]

While i agree with djikstra it's still wrong to let your friends die

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

I can't say no to my nan broche.

[@Lafuerza_V]

This quest was fun but the ending always felt wrong to me. Djistra would never do that in front of Geralt, he’s way too smart. Bittersweet end to the Roche Questline that spanned two games.

[@kirby7294]

This was easily the hardest choice of the whole game. Long Live King Dijkstra

[@serezra6754]

good thing I got their gwent card

[@horsemen6769]

😭😭😭 I mucked that up lol

[@Leongon]

They wrote Dijkstra as a smart character, yet they made him fight Geralt head on in this story branch.

[@davidmanahan2823]

Is this a mod on the grandmaster feline armor? Trying to figure out why some versions have the hood and others have the white collar...

[@xLetalis]

this is the mastercrafted, the grandmaster has the hood (at the time of recording this, grandmaster didn't exist)

[@davidmanahan2823]

@@xLetalis Holy moly am I glad you are an active account. Had no idea that there a difference between mastercrafted and grandmaster armor. Thanks!!!!! Hopefully I'll have the manticore armor for my alchemy build by the time I should put that hood on my Cat armor :p

[@ninjapurpura1]

No way I'd let Roche die, especially as a Witcher 2 veteran. As much as I like Dijkstra, I have to make a choice

[@notenoughgarlic]

You and about 50 of the rest of us 😂. Freaking barely anybody played Witcher 2. And Roche STILL won over popular vote, just with the stuff he did in 3. People are missing out though. Roche in 3 is like half the badass he was in 2.

[@muslimayupov]

​@@notenoughgarlicsomeone def didnt side with iorveth

[@cultofmalgus1310]

Roche is so awesome

[@yahnyi9436]

A game with a secondary quest like this is trully a remarkable game

[@DragosDreamer1989]

Is it a bug that Dijkstra never fights back, just stands there? Would've liked to see a semi-boss battle or something with the big oaf.

[@gabrielh5105]

He said himself that he has zero fighting skills

[@DragosDreamer1989]

@@gabrielh5105 true, but he could've tried at least... sarcastic-self-centered-fat-fuck that he is -_-

[@MrRiddleAW]

I have to wonder what Dijkstra's plan originally was. What was he supposed to get out of the deal made with the emperor? I mean Roche and Thaler wanted Temeria to become a vassal state, but Dijkstra wouldn't have really cared about that unless there was something to be gained. What was his original motive for joining them in the first place? was it only because he hated Radovid enough to want him dead? or did he always have an ulterior motive? It wasn't until Geralt told him about guilds not being happy with the Emperor that he changed the plan, and decided to act against them. Or did he always plan to betray them and take over for himself? That's the part that confuses me. Dijkstra brought Geralt in on the conspiracy to kill Radovid. We find out that Thaler was returning from negotiations when Geralt saved him from the trolls. Dijkstra was part of those negotiations as well. When Geralt told him that the Emperor was having internal problems of his own, Dijkstra seemed surprised by this revelation, but then decided to take advantage. So it really makes me wonder what Dijkstra wanted out of this deal before Geralt gave him that information. Was he hoping to gain favor with Emperor? or did he just want to stop the war as he stated to Geralt before that war solves nothing.

[@notnotjay]

I want to make my buddy Roche the ruler

[@TheOnlyRise]

One of the few stupid moments in the game. There's no way Dijkstra would be dumb enough to try and kill people that Geralt holds dear right in front of him and expect him to just walk away. He should've just offered Roach and the others the same deal Emhyr did - a free Temeria as a vassal state of the united north. That way it wouldn't have seemed like a dumb ultimatum. No idea what the writers were thinking here.

[@notenoughgarlic]

I feel like CDPR just wanted to kill off Dijkstra. Fine by me! Nobody would betray Roche, unless they didn't play Witcher 2. Shame on them!

[@gachimuchienjoyer69]

@@notenoughgarlic I would easily Dijkstra is far more interesting person as for me, and the best possible ruler out of Emhyr, Radovin and him. 3 people is a good price for free North

[@horsemen6769]

Always hoped that the djikstra in this scene was a Doppler playing a joke because yea like everyone says. Djikstra is not this dumb lol

[@nunez3613]

wish there was a brother hug in the choice.

[@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg]

I’m already seeing myself reading my after game report, and just slowly shaking my head 😂

[@TheLaw-1996]

Crazy Steve: This is for not helping me at Kear Morhen!

[@Darth_Arashi]

Bro in my game Roche and Ves Clapped Dickstra before I even swung my sword 😂

[@imie5762]

Game: Redanians Subtitles: Red onions

[@nickboi7270]

Coming from Witcher 2 and as someone who thinks Dikijstra was an asshole the choice was obvious. I refuse to talk to anyone who decided to kill Roche

[@amauriherrera6022]

This was the most difficult decision for me in all of W3 But nobody fuqs with my ploughing Thaler! Roche is neutral towards Geralt and says so that while he likes him, he wouldn't hesitate to cut him down if he were to get in his way. Whereas Thaler is actually a true bro to Geralt and even shows he gets conflicted about his craft as a spy and his liking of Geralt. He would love to tell Geralt intelligence but then he would fail in being a professional; something that Geralt completely understands as he strives to be a professional in his witcher craft. Thaler is with Geralt in all 3 games. W2 he sends a spy lackey due to Geralt being a fugitive of Temeria. But the P.S. in the letter shows his enderament Thaler style. An unlike Roche, Thaler never doubted Geralt. Thaler in W1 is what Roche is to W2 in fact I feel Roche came to be created to fill the place of Thaler. However, due to the fact that Thaler can't leave, because he is the master of intelligency in Temeria; he can't be by Geralt's side-like say a secret commando unit, hence the Blue Stripes. Still Roche proves likeable in W2 (Iorveth proves better as he mellows out a bit through Geralt "friendship" Roche doesn't develop as a character)

[@dakotaschneider6205]

Am I the only one who enjoyed the Macbeth quote/reference?

[@SlowBoatSailing]

I could not let Dykstra kill Roach. I messed up. Dykstra is dead...

[@Eyrothath]

In my first run through Geralt was heroic, did all the right things, stood up for his friends etc.. And ended up with Triss and Ciri as a Witcher.. My second time Geralt ended up with Yen, did all the wrong things, treated everyone like crap and played a miserable Geralt was cold and a bad father towards Ciri and she ended up as Empress..

[@johng7003]

I have to ask if you refuse to kill Roche and kill Djikstra and Emhyr rules Redania after that would Ciri still be an empress no matter what or is there something that you can try not to make an empress? I like the empress ending but I prefer the Witcher one more.

[@DailyCooolVideos]

No matter how many times and choices i make in witcher 3. I will always choose Roche over Dijkstra.

[@psixens7580]

Can’t let Broche die!

[@cosmickeyboard9811]

Dijkstra died like a unimportant cliche side character. no cutscene no last words, no special dialoge, just a little crapy easy fight and thats it for the mighty and apparently not so smart Dijkstra who attacked 3 very powerful people and expected to live. There was way too may ways this could have went wrong for Dijkstra I don't get why he would make such a stupid move like this even is he succeeded he would have made powerful enemies with all of geralts allies like triss, yen, ciri, and others. Smh

[@811chelseafc]

This is a shame because Dijkstra was easily the best of the 3 potential rulers. I don't get why he couldn't work with the other conspirators.

[@diegoundreiner6392]

Dude someone help i dont know what to do i mean i want dijstra to live cause of what he said but i owe roche cause he helped me in kaer morhen im torn someone halp.

[@corwin8869]

+Diego Undreiner Dijkstra can fuck off. Every "nice" thing he does has an ulterior motive which benefits himself. Vernon Broche on the other hand has been by your side since the start of the Witcher 2, Breaks you out of jail when you're wrongfully accused of killing foltest, stands by you throughout the entire game, and risks his life to help you at the battle of kaer morhan.

[@diegoundreiner6392]

***** true thsnks

[@notmyname3487]

+Corwin Hayward Yeah, Besides every time I asked him for a favour from taking (spoilers) 50 minutes out of his life to Help Defend Ciri or Having him unexpectedly come up and try to take Phillipa Eilhart from me because his eventually half-hearted "revenge" was more important than defeating the Wild Hunt and then this prick makes me stick my neck out for him by walking up to Radovid, unarmed and try to lure him to a sniping point only for him to basically take the reins of The Northern kingdoms afterwards but he's done fuck all other than talk? Bitchstra was Begging for it.

[@notmyname3487]

+Not my name Or maybe I should say Dickstra?

[@notmyname3487]

+Not my name Sorry, typo, What I meant to say for the first one was that after asking him to defend Ciri from the Wild Hunt at Kaer Morhen, after helping him so much already, He still thought I owed him and his stubborn attitude prevented him from showing up.

[@Deadpool_the_Merc_with_a_Mouth]

I dont like Roche but i dont want Dijkstra to kill Thaler. Good Witcher 1 memories :D

[@kennethcovid19copeland49]

For my recent play through this one Thaler dealt the killing blow to Dijkstra 😂

[@juliettedemontecalvo3134]

I think a lot of people didn’t understand Dijkstra’s sudden decision. Dijkstra doesn’t want the North to be a puppet of Nilfgaard while Roche and co just want Temeria back. Plus Sigi talked with Philippa that must have told him that sharing the North with Temeria would make him in an even weaker position. He did tell everybody that Phil has inspired him. Inspired him to fight. And don’t forget that the lady sorceress wins in all situations: 1) The one Phil thinks will happen, Geralt kills Dijkstra and then Nilfgaard wins and she becomes Ehmyr’s sorceress (more like Ehmyr becomes Phil’s little emperor) with no opponent to face. 2) Geralt doesn’t do anything, Dijkstra wins and she can still use him in the worst scenario. I believe he is still a bit in love (and I understand him!). That’s why I think this scene isn’t bad at all. I’m just very sad that Dijkstra has to die.

[@xLetalis]

interesting take on it

[@TheBunnyrum]

His logic make sense. What doesnt is the heavy handed way he enforced it.