With new gates, BART cracks down on fare evasion

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@ciello___8307
@ciello___8307 5 ай бұрын
Keep putting em up!
@KandiKlover
@KandiKlover 5 ай бұрын
“And we’ll keep on knocking em down” or however that poor choice of quote you used goes.
@robtangent4664
@robtangent4664 5 ай бұрын
At 0:50, you could see parents training their kids to be criminals. Fare evasion is the first step.
@V45194
@V45194 5 ай бұрын
BART is complicit, by choosing to not arrest and prosecute fare evaders. It's a tiny part of a much bigger picture of moral decay, in a society where a tax cheating fraudster and convict is somehow seen as upstanding, caring and smart, and worthy of being President again. Cheating not only is the new normal, it is in fact celebrated.
@pcatful
@pcatful 5 ай бұрын
That's sad. Next step: I was walking by our little neighborhood park a few weeks ago and a woman and two kids were breaking bottles out of a bag against a wall . She was showing a girl of about 4 or 5 how to throw the bottle so it would break. When I called them on it they were just rude and wouldn't stop, including the little boy about 10.
@amtravelingservice4400
@amtravelingservice4400 5 ай бұрын
@@pcatful worthless humans . just taking up space
@IslamIqra5
@IslamIqra5 5 ай бұрын
It’s not that deep 😂
@Gfysimpletons
@Gfysimpletons 5 ай бұрын
It starts in the womb
@V45194
@V45194 5 ай бұрын
Either enforce fare collection or make BART free for everyone. The current situation rewards cheaters and penalizes honest people. Worse, it teaches young people that cheating is "smart" and honesty is for morons - not exactly what a public agency should be doing.
@SirMegaManNeoX
@SirMegaManNeoX 5 ай бұрын
Do you, did you not know how politicians think?
@trvst5938
@trvst5938 4 ай бұрын
If they taxed even 10% of tax dodging banks in NYC it would be free. 💀 Trump was hardly the only one committing fraud.
@andrewjacobs4832
@andrewjacobs4832 3 ай бұрын
You think the situation on BART is bad now. Just wait until it's free? Total chaos.
@paulcrescenti5581
@paulcrescenti5581 5 ай бұрын
Seems like the wrong video title. More like . . . “Lack of Enforcement Against Criminal Fare Evaders force BART to spend millions to install Upgraded Gates.”
@davinxi5926
@davinxi5926 5 ай бұрын
Cindy’s Chavez is the one response since she’s the executive of the board
@U23721
@U23721 5 ай бұрын
Adding engineering controls would probably perform better than patrols. Criminals will just watch till their eyes are turned, or take advantage of areas outside transit that are starved for enforcement by adding more here. Automation will never get tired or distracted and is a one time buy vs bi weekly with annual raises, overtime, and benefits.
@paulcrescenti5581
@paulcrescenti5581 5 ай бұрын
@@U23721 I am not against engineering controls. They are one facet of the “Three Es”. There is a certain level of utility in positivity identifying the criminal element that are trying to access the system. The identification from these enforcement contacts will make finding perpetrators easier as they commit other crimes within the transportation system. Ignoring crimes by the transportation authority is a big fail.
@doujinflip
@doujinflip 5 ай бұрын
Wages to pay for effective human security are way too prohibitive.
@paulcrescenti5581
@paulcrescenti5581 5 ай бұрын
@@doujinflip Without effective Law Enforcement l guess we must expect the collapse of many facets of the public transportation system in the next few years as unless you are of military age and physical condition, it will become too dangerous for most to consider using for routine travel. This is already evidenced by the decreasing number of riders within the BART system. Closing the system will save money for all parties involved except the public.
@rbzsfg
@rbzsfg 5 ай бұрын
How about random, undercover BART Police, ready to give out citations to fair evaders? Oh, of course not. It makes too much sense to do that.
@curiouspenguin6887
@curiouspenguin6887 5 ай бұрын
And people will pay those citations, right? Better to prevent the revenue loss up front.
@theWZZA
@theWZZA 5 ай бұрын
@@curiouspenguin6887 No they won't, but there has to be some check on lawlessness in BART. Station agents are too afraid to do anything because they are alone with no backup.
@pcatful
@pcatful 5 ай бұрын
They are there.
@davinxi5926
@davinxi5926 5 ай бұрын
@@pcatful how many
@palatialslumlord4938
@palatialslumlord4938 5 ай бұрын
​@@pcatfulAnd they're arresting black men for eating sandwiches, who paid for their ticket.
@jasonlucas2328
@jasonlucas2328 5 ай бұрын
I just returned from Japan. The gates at subway or train stations in Japan often don't close, and passengers still tap to pay. Japan lacks a particular group of people, and the culture is different.
@V45194
@V45194 5 ай бұрын
By "particular group of people" you mean people like Sam Bankman-Fried, Elizabeth Holmes and Donald J. Trump, right? Shameless fraudsters and cheats who think honesty is for suckers?
@theWZZA
@theWZZA 5 ай бұрын
@@jasonlucas2328 poor people?
@math4life95
@math4life95 5 ай бұрын
Based on who I saw fare evading, I would say that the Japanese lack poor and/or selfish Americans.
@halfdohm
@halfdohm 5 ай бұрын
Extreme cultural difference. I applaud the Japanese.
@johnc1873
@johnc1873 5 ай бұрын
@@theWZZA you know what kind of people he's referring to.
@brentsummers7377
@brentsummers7377 2 ай бұрын
Speaking as a tourist I found riding BART a pleasure. Trains were clean & fast. In over a week I never saw any riders that made me feel unsafe or want to move to another car. However, I rode during the day at non peak times & never at night. What I did see a LOT of was fare evasion. Usually someone vaulting over a fare gate next to the one I was using.
@LtKaiser
@LtKaiser 5 ай бұрын
If they are willing to drop 90 million for these new gates, it must mean they calculated that their estimated losses due to gate hoppers is over that amount. Insane.
@alphax4785
@alphax4785 4 ай бұрын
Nah, it's all Other People's Money that flows from an endless spigot.
@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq
@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq 2 ай бұрын
BART estimates that fare evasion costs them 15 million per year
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 7 күн бұрын
@@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq 15-25% million per year. These gates will pay for themselves in 4-6 years.
@chibba
@chibba 5 ай бұрын
took them 10 years to do this and only 2 stations are done lmao. What a joke.
@theWZZA
@theWZZA 5 ай бұрын
I agree, too little, too late. And they need a police presence to deter fare evasion and other bad behavior on BART.
@andreal2625
@andreal2625 5 ай бұрын
They’ve been testing different kinds of
@theWZZA
@theWZZA 5 ай бұрын
@@andreal2625 they've been busy giving themselves raises.
@PsychoSpiral
@PsychoSpiral 5 ай бұрын
@@theWZZA Too late? why? are they shutting down BART soon after? Are they closing stations?
@alexxzhangg
@alexxzhangg 5 ай бұрын
@@theWZZA yall in sf are so spoiled when it comes to subways. Come to la and not only is the metro made up of 50% questionable folks, but the police are too scared to board. I'm astounded that you guys even have working gates and subways that get cleaned 🤣
@SunnyWu
@SunnyWu 5 ай бұрын
They'll just use the emergency exit. Seen that before.
@Blueeyedsoul1986
@Blueeyedsoul1986 5 ай бұрын
Emergency exits won’t be available I’ll bet
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 5 ай бұрын
There won't be any emergency exits anymore. The new fare gates automatically convert to emergency exits in the case of an emergency. All the gates just open when the alarm is pulled. The old emergency exits will be replaced by a new gate or welded shut. That's part of why BART chose this design in the first place!
@juicyfruit6311
@juicyfruit6311 4 ай бұрын
​@@TohaBgood2Ah, there you are. I asked you several months ago where you were getting the information regarding all these Korean made gates. You never answered! Can you answer me?
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 4 ай бұрын
@@juicyfruit6311 It's on their website. The company is called STraffic. It's a Samsung spin-off.
@kuyshina
@kuyshina 5 ай бұрын
$90,000,000 / 700 fate gates is $128,571 per fare gate. I suspect that this costs includes paying the workers for the installation and other services that involve the installation. I still find it overly expensive that each fare gate installation is $128,000. Reminder that the maintenance and operating expense to run these will be $2,000,000 / per year
@rcchin7897
@rcchin7897 5 ай бұрын
Dems will pocket the difference.
@ScienceNotFaith
@ScienceNotFaith 5 ай бұрын
It would be helpful to know how much revenue this will generate. In other words, how much are they losing to fare jumpers? Will be be a net gain?
@infernaldaedra
@infernaldaedra 5 ай бұрын
It definitely does not cost 2,000,000 a year to havea gate 😂
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 5 ай бұрын
@@ScienceNotFaith About $25 million is estimated to be lost to fare evasion each year on BART, so these will pay off in just a few years! If those estimates are correct. But the data from the West Oakland demo site suggests that the number is much higher! If BART can get 10% more fare revenue at all the stations with the new gates like they did at the demo station at West Oakland then they'll get something closer to $50-80 million! So full payout in less than two years!
@cooltwittertag
@cooltwittertag 5 ай бұрын
​@@rcchin7897they will pcoket the difference of standard market rate prices? So nothing? Impressive
@OPTesla
@OPTesla 5 ай бұрын
Right at civic center! Good job! , they going to walk to next stations in downtown area lol. At least something’s being done. Hopefully works good!
@KandiKlover
@KandiKlover 5 ай бұрын
They’ll just climb over the top same as how they climbed over the border wall
@Johnnytotal
@Johnnytotal 5 ай бұрын
We have the smart gates in Stockholm, it doesn’t help. Also public transport is losing money aswell. 20% less than before the pandemic, it’s a failure in sociaity. If you can get away wo paying some will just do it every day. The fine over here is $150 But there aren’t enough controls or policeofficers around.
@DarkWolf575
@DarkWolf575 5 ай бұрын
It's about time, we need these new fare gates at BART. Fare evasion is the number 1 growing concern on public transportation systems like BART. 👍
@Ryan-he2qz
@Ryan-he2qz 5 ай бұрын
They shoukd have police standby beside the new installed doors. So you can screen them properly
@davinxi5926
@davinxi5926 5 ай бұрын
@@Ryan-he2qz standing post at 700 doors??? Waste of logistics
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 5 ай бұрын
Police make $400k a year in SF. They are 2 percenters. Can’t waste their time watching gates.
@catmi3068
@catmi3068 5 ай бұрын
I have seen that guy pushes the gate at Powell Street station. I was wondering how he did it.
@my32pints
@my32pints 5 ай бұрын
Bart needs armed guards on every train to protect riders .
@HypocritesExposd
@HypocritesExposd 5 ай бұрын
Would be just another excuse to increase fares to even more ridiculous levels.
@Saghetti
@Saghetti 5 ай бұрын
no they don't
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 5 ай бұрын
They've recently introduced police foot patrols and BART did get about 1000x safer and cleaner since!
@juicyfruit6311
@juicyfruit6311 4 ай бұрын
​@@TohaBgood2Really? Proof?
@fleabag2mr.151
@fleabag2mr.151 4 ай бұрын
Try a $500 fine for gate jumpers. Word will get around fast, and it will pay for the person writing the citations.
@coolinspirefunnybook1289
@coolinspirefunnybook1289 5 ай бұрын
nyc make a great gate for fare evasion but they keep the emergency exit easily access which actually the loophole.
@tobiasexarchopoulos721
@tobiasexarchopoulos721 5 ай бұрын
Need these in LA! With expansion happening soon we need to invest in these.
@bemiatto67
@bemiatto67 5 ай бұрын
"What are you going to do? Are you going to arrest me? Are you going to give me a ticket?"
@JBigjake
@JBigjake 5 ай бұрын
Yes!
@newmobile1455
@newmobile1455 5 ай бұрын
I am just going to call you a democrat
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, they literally have fare inspectors that will give you a ticket patrolling the train now.
@soapa4279
@soapa4279 5 ай бұрын
I was going to make a joke but this is a step in the right direction.
@gatblau1
@gatblau1 5 ай бұрын
Good start. You should also have security at every gate so people don’t start to destroy the new gates, which I’m sure they will figure out how to do eventually.
@samoryTure
@samoryTure 4 ай бұрын
Looks much better than the ones at nyc mta.
@totesgene
@totesgene 5 ай бұрын
One minute in - teaching your young kids to steal. Great parenting.
@cds1957
@cds1957 5 ай бұрын
It’s about time
@mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164
@mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164 4 ай бұрын
Curious is NYC subway going to do the Samething
@no-damn-alias
@no-damn-alias 5 ай бұрын
In Munich not a single station has gates and fare evasion hovers around 2-3% at random ticket checks.
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 7 күн бұрын
Because they have insanely aggressive fare inspectors.
@no-damn-alias
@no-damn-alias Күн бұрын
@@TohaBgood2 nope, I live here and haven't seen a ticket inspector for years. I mean they do checks and that's where they get there values from.
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 Күн бұрын
@@no-damn-alias I have seen multiple fare checks per week when I lived in Stuttgart.
@alileevil
@alileevil 5 ай бұрын
Money to install gates to collect a fare, but no money for platform barriers that can keep commuters safe.
@BrentKamrath-p2s
@BrentKamrath-p2s 4 ай бұрын
Awesome!!! Finally!!
@robertlunderwood
@robertlunderwood 5 ай бұрын
People will just piggyback with these fare gates.
@ylsflv
@ylsflv 5 ай бұрын
Yup haha happened to me in Greece and it will definitely happen here too
@mikemiller659
@mikemiller659 5 ай бұрын
which people?
@HiThisIsMine
@HiThisIsMine 5 ай бұрын
Happens all the time in NY and they already have these gates
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 5 ай бұрын
@@HiThisIsMine No they don't. They have a different model from a different vendor. These gates have a computer vision system that can detect bikes and wheelchairs and... fare evaders trying to piggyback.
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 5 ай бұрын
The gates have a built-in computer vision system that detects that and simply doesn't open the gate if two people are trying to enter.
@gesnow
@gesnow 4 ай бұрын
Why are they not checking tickets randomly on the subway, if you do not have a ticket charge them. BC trans does that…
@Michael-kj5cn
@Michael-kj5cn 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I have a question, what if there is an emergency at the Bart station how would people get out if there are "High-tech gates" Is there an emergency feature?
@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq
@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq 2 ай бұрын
Yes
@twistedhillbilly6157
@twistedhillbilly6157 5 ай бұрын
Gavin pretending to care
@dancemaniac3868
@dancemaniac3868 5 ай бұрын
I hope they do this with all stations to keep crazies and criminals out.
@stickynorth
@stickynorth 5 ай бұрын
Gates won't work. Classical music will though... Bach is like garlic to a vampire... Edmonton Symphony Orchestra recordings are now being used on loop 24/7 in our subway stations to deter druggo's and psycopaths from making the tunnels and platforms home and so far so good a few months in... Haven't heard of nearly the same level of manslaughtery mayhem that made me stop using it a few years back...
@DakotaFord592
@DakotaFord592 5 ай бұрын
When I lived in New York City I saw kids jumping over the subway thing.. I realized that locals didn't pay.
@sneakerjockCA
@sneakerjockCA 5 ай бұрын
Those won’t work. Metal turn style floor to ceiling like NYC are needed. Also, walls to prevent hopping inside the system are needed.
@nybiggs
@nybiggs 4 ай бұрын
NYC native here... those old full length turnstyle gates are very rare and no new ones have been installed in decades. They don't allow anyone who needs more space to enter, be it large bags, bikes, or wheelchairs. Instead NYC just spent millions on 2/3 length gates which people figured out could easily be bypassed by reaching over at an angle and triggering the exit sensors with your hand. The BART design looks far superior.
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 7 күн бұрын
Those are utterly useless because they require by law to have a permanently open emergency gate. The new gates that BART chose do not require separate emergency gates to be kept open.
@halfdohm
@halfdohm 5 ай бұрын
$90m dollars to replace 700 gates...Hmmm, that's ~$129K per gate. Someone is getting ripped off.
@eMDiKhamPha
@eMDiKhamPha 5 ай бұрын
Or pocketed the money
@nickoli0101
@nickoli0101 5 ай бұрын
It's more than just paying for a gate, it's also contracting companies for planning, design, and insitaltion, as well as labor.
@rcchin7897
@rcchin7897 5 ай бұрын
@e : CA Dems are learning a lot from their CCP masters.
@doujinflip
@doujinflip 5 ай бұрын
@@nickoli0101 Right, it's not just raw parts that were standardized decades ago. This is basically a new build, like every other public transit project that Americans refuse to create and enforce technical standards on.
@steveschurr5967
@steveschurr5967 5 ай бұрын
What I see with the new gates is people waiting by the gate and scooting in closely behind somebody who paid. They don't prevent that and it's actually a little scary to have someone so closely follow you through.
@michaelwarren2391
@michaelwarren2391 5 ай бұрын
Not mentioned - how much is fare evasion costing BART? Need that to see if the $90 million plus annual maintenance and upkeep is worth it. There must have been a cost-benefit analysis performed.
@tventures2
@tventures2 5 ай бұрын
people are still going to find ways to jump the fare, even with these advanced gates. these upgrades are not necessarily the answer!
@ScienceNotFaith
@ScienceNotFaith 5 ай бұрын
@@tventures2 May not be "the" answer, but if it's a net positive in revenue, I don't see why anyone should complain. Doing something that doesn't solve the problem 100% is better than doing nothing at 0%.
@lookitskazzy
@lookitskazzy 5 ай бұрын
It's also for safety, not just for fare evasion..fare evaders and criminal activity tends to intersect quite a bit
@brayanbarreramtaproductions
@brayanbarreramtaproductions 5 ай бұрын
Sad That NYC Dosent Have That Only 2 Stations Not All 472
@Grillinnap
@Grillinnap 5 ай бұрын
Wish MTA would do the same in LA
@Blueeyedsoul1986
@Blueeyedsoul1986 5 ай бұрын
Hopefully this helps people understand they have to pay the toll
@he1nz57
@he1nz57 5 ай бұрын
In Germany, everything is on the honor system and they have no problems
@enjoystraveling
@enjoystraveling 5 ай бұрын
Sometimes there’s people that get on without paying. An acquaintance of mine that knows better, didn’t have money with her to buy a ticket and just got on, but she was out of luck that day and she had to pay fine. Plus they asked for her ID to write her up.
@alubto
@alubto 4 ай бұрын
How is that safe in case of fire?
@chuckxu5910
@chuckxu5910 5 ай бұрын
Why BART won’t install platform barriers?
@warrpedd
@warrpedd 5 ай бұрын
Because life is cheap.
@RicePho
@RicePho 5 ай бұрын
Educate yourself, skytrain platform isn't designed for certain add on because of how long they were made ago.
@mrxman581
@mrxman581 5 ай бұрын
Expensive. They need to install all the new fare gates first.
@thedopplereffect00
@thedopplereffect00 5 ай бұрын
Why won't people just use common sense?
@maplenerd22
@maplenerd22 5 ай бұрын
If you have to ask this, then you're not very smart.
@renalove2537
@renalove2537 5 ай бұрын
L.A. needs this
@Lytann
@Lytann 5 ай бұрын
A lot more old people are going to get assaulted from behind when fare evaders push them through when they swipe.
@stickynorth
@stickynorth 5 ай бұрын
You should be happy they are using transit. I'd hate to imagine people like that behind the wheel...
@jenniferthomas5305
@jenniferthomas5305 5 ай бұрын
Great idea to make them clear
@BeardMan01
@BeardMan01 4 ай бұрын
They'll just start doing what they do in NYC. They'll just open the emergency exit and let people in the back way. You'll never stop any of it.
@shrimboi8909
@shrimboi8909 5 ай бұрын
Bart need to add escalators going down. Its ridiculous that u have to walked down the other end of the street to catch the elevator or find one going downward.
@fillup40
@fillup40 5 ай бұрын
About time.
@bombaybeach208
@bombaybeach208 5 ай бұрын
I can't believe it's taken California this long to get with the program. It's not like this in Europe. You pay or you don't get in.
@aa777flyer
@aa777flyer 5 ай бұрын
In Germany you can literally walk on any train, s-bahn, ubahn without a ticket. Dont get caught but you can do it. There are no gates on trains in Germany.
@enjoystraveling
@enjoystraveling 5 ай бұрын
@@aa777flyer that’s true you can walk on the street car without paying also however every so often there’s a man with the uniform to check everyone’s tickets and if you don’t have a ticket, you will get a big fine and also asked for your ID to be written up also. I know because one of my friends who’s German got on without paying and she later told me about what happened to her. She usually pays, but that time she didn’t have money to buy a ticket with her so she thought she could get away with it.
@enjoystraveling
@enjoystraveling 5 ай бұрын
@@aa777flyer also if you get on a intercity Xpress or a S bahn without paying then you’ll definitely pay when the staff comes by and you’re actually have to pay more because it cost more paying on the train then if you had paid for a ticket in the first place.
@RafaelUnplugged
@RafaelUnplugged 5 ай бұрын
90mil. I wonder what that 11% increase in fares came out to and how long it would take to break even 😂
@damonhtoo
@damonhtoo 5 ай бұрын
They had 4.1 million trips last month with an average fare of $4.43. So an 11% increase increases revenue by $2m/month. It would be repaid in about 5 years.
@mrxman581
@mrxman581 5 ай бұрын
​@damonhtoo It would probably be repaid sooner because the percentage would go up as more stations got the new gates. Right now, people might be able to avoid the stations with the new gates, but not forever.
@mocheen4837
@mocheen4837 5 ай бұрын
Spending $90 million, but is running on $35 million in emergency state funds.
@andy_182
@andy_182 5 ай бұрын
89 million is going to contractors pockets to enrich city halls friends
@mikeydude750
@mikeydude750 5 ай бұрын
@@mrxman581another important fact to consider is increased safety on the trains, increasing confidence in the system and encouraging people to ride again. Fare evaders are far more likely to be doing other crimes on the train and keeping them out will make it safer to ride BART
@zerocool911
@zerocool911 4 ай бұрын
What's going to stop them from going to the next station n hop on
@John-pz6nm
@John-pz6nm 5 ай бұрын
$128,000 per gate 🤔 How many fare evaders need to be stopped before the break even point?
@whoknowswhocares885
@whoknowswhocares885 5 ай бұрын
Roughly a month.
@John-pz6nm
@John-pz6nm 5 ай бұрын
@@whoknowswhocares885 Provide a link to support your narrative That would be 25000 fare evaders in a month
@railworksamerica
@railworksamerica 5 ай бұрын
Ain’t stopping me 😂😂
@mobettaspice
@mobettaspice 5 ай бұрын
I’m here in NYC thinking it was bad here on New York City transit.
@jkk2940
@jkk2940 5 ай бұрын
bart isnt worried, newsom will bail em out
@WildWildWeasel
@WildWildWeasel 5 ай бұрын
Reminds me of City 17
@binki611
@binki611 5 ай бұрын
Make it free (taxpayer funded) and be done with it. The few extra bucks to do that won’t be that much and it satisfies the mandates of the governor to use public transportation
@memmener
@memmener 5 ай бұрын
Every time I see news segment about fare evasion I chuckle a little; 90% of the evaders are from the same demographic but the news always tries so hard to get anyone but “them” on camera
@jaquanpowell4605
@jaquanpowell4605 5 ай бұрын
🤦🏿‍♂️ y’all make everything about race its honestly sad that all y’all see is skin color
@Gypsum179
@Gypsum179 5 ай бұрын
Another foreign troll that has never been to the US.
@hyphydan
@hyphydan 5 ай бұрын
​@@jaquanpowell4605it's behavioral patterns Jaquan. Everyone notices, not just "y'all".
@jaquanpowell4605
@jaquanpowell4605 5 ай бұрын
@@hyphydan smh then talk about everyone hopping Bart not just one demographic
@mcrichards694
@mcrichards694 5 ай бұрын
At $90 million it’s probably cheaper and more strategic just to lower the cost of fares or make BART free.
@ChrisCoombes
@ChrisCoombes 5 ай бұрын
Why not have staff at the ticket barriers?
@doujinflip
@doujinflip 5 ай бұрын
Too expensive.
@ChrisCoombes
@ChrisCoombes 5 ай бұрын
@@doujinflip isn’t there a legal requirement to have staff at ticket barriers? What about people needing help? Someone gets stuck in the barrier or antisocial behaviour?
@infoatnorcal2304
@infoatnorcal2304 5 ай бұрын
hate Bart, always smells like pee. Especially the elevators smh.
@HugoMaceda-o7d
@HugoMaceda-o7d 5 ай бұрын
LOL IN HOLLYWOOD AS WELL 😦
@RealSergiob466
@RealSergiob466 5 ай бұрын
That’s just like in New York City
@thefourhorsemen91
@thefourhorsemen91 5 ай бұрын
If BART is running that big a deficit, then it seems like its services are really not needed. If the city wants to make it work, privatize it.
@hayabusa27
@hayabusa27 5 ай бұрын
Its still a homeless train from 8pm to 12am 😂
@ger13nunyah56
@ger13nunyah56 5 ай бұрын
Police presence is also a must
@bobChristianson
@bobChristianson 5 ай бұрын
what a sick country
@Robisme
@Robisme 5 ай бұрын
With all the money that the city earned the last 20years, how are they at negative $35million?
@michaelpalus7929
@michaelpalus7929 5 ай бұрын
Come to Minnesota, we have a HONOR SYSTEM. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🙂😂🤣😂🤣
@Gene146
@Gene146 5 ай бұрын
BART and MUNI employees need to step up in arresting fare evaders. Just wait till the there are lesser trains and buses and public transit employees get laid off. Wake up people you’re going to suffer from this as well. It will trickle down.
@BigRingStumpy
@BigRingStumpy 5 ай бұрын
Crazy idea.. Arrest people who evade fares, hold them in jail for 12 hours, then release them. I can assure you when people find out they have to waste 12 hours of time if they get caught, they'll stop breaking the law. Pretty sure that would cost less than the 90 million.
@louie24seven
@louie24seven 5 ай бұрын
Whoa, they put them in front of the elevators😮
@TheVlad434
@TheVlad434 4 ай бұрын
Why don't they put regular police officers on stations who will be stopping people for not paying fare and writing them a citation? Once they see that police really fine people for evasion they will behave.
@kylewissman2469
@kylewissman2469 4 ай бұрын
Find the loophole wait for somebody to pay to open up the gate and walk behind them
@ceasarmartinez8447
@ceasarmartinez8447 5 ай бұрын
I’ve used Bart for 35 years and I see fare evaders everyday and I’m sure Bart sees this all the time but the management condone it and doesn’t enforce the rules. It is a shame that it took them this long to do their jobs.
@Riri_734
@Riri_734 4 ай бұрын
I'm not from the US, why do they do that? Are the fares unaffordable?
@simobstein4084
@simobstein4084 5 ай бұрын
They going break it! In time!
@possiblyadog
@possiblyadog 5 ай бұрын
Ah yes, spend 90 Million Dollars to stop fare evasion while their service stays abysmal. Why doesn't BART make a service worth paying for?
@pwp8737
@pwp8737 5 ай бұрын
because it needs the revenue to do that, it's a never-ending cycle.
@juscallmeehx
@juscallmeehx 5 ай бұрын
What service are you talking about? Stopping fare evasion will decrease deplorables on trains so your life will be just. abit better.
@NeilTruick
@NeilTruick 5 ай бұрын
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I've lived in Los Angeles for the past 40+ years, but visited the Bay Area many times. I have _wished_ LA Metro was as pleasant an experience to ride as BART for as long as I can remember.
@UniquelyCritical
@UniquelyCritical 5 ай бұрын
BART is making efforts to improve and people still complain... The public has been asking for better fare gates for a long time. Even though it shouldn't have taken this long, this is a step toward keeping drug users, panhandlers and smelly homeless off the trains which is what paying riders want. This is a win. Be happy.
@acenavarro7314
@acenavarro7314 4 ай бұрын
do it with double door or a turn stiles gate
@timmmahhhh
@timmmahhhh 5 ай бұрын
I spent a week in LA a month ago where they need to do the same, and yes LA has a subway/light rail. Someone who's lived in the area for 20 years i met at O'Hare insisted LA didn't even though i watched a six year old KZbin video about it, didn't feel like arguing with her. The system is limited but they're seriously working on improving it.
@urbanshepherdgroup2418
@urbanshepherdgroup2418 4 ай бұрын
They need better than the new gates.
@PitsTasteGood
@PitsTasteGood 5 ай бұрын
I like how West Oakland got the gates first... 😂 It makes sense ... But... Hey now POC's get to be first for something....
@johndeere3486
@johndeere3486 5 ай бұрын
This is a huge waste of money. The cost and maintenance will far outweigh fare collections.
@user-cz8do7xl8u
@user-cz8do7xl8u 5 ай бұрын
Enforcement of the existing laws.. Garnish the EBT and wages of fare evaders, you know, penalties.
@trainsimulatordriver
@trainsimulatordriver 4 ай бұрын
Those old gates were my nightmare on a project, air operated and we had to put a computer in them. That was fun. Not.
@andy_182
@andy_182 5 ай бұрын
90 million dollars is crazy
@IslamIqra5
@IslamIqra5 5 ай бұрын
I live in NYC and never pay for the train or the bus unless I have to( police standing around) 😆😁😁
@MrAresxy07
@MrAresxy07 5 ай бұрын
How about you create gates anti homeless too 🤔
@diabloflare8304
@diabloflare8304 4 ай бұрын
United freeloaders of America...
@mystica-subs
@mystica-subs 5 ай бұрын
Will 90 million actually be recouped from revenues? Or would it have simply been cheaper to not spend 90 million and continue getting slightly less revenues?
@AbiyBattleSpell
@AbiyBattleSpell 5 ай бұрын
bart casually admiting to not being acessible for yrs prior to this and they only cared when it mattered due to fare evasion...
@TAL142
@TAL142 5 ай бұрын
BART used to make money. You can blame both the government and the BART. They are sort of the same thing. I am surprised anyone even pays fare at west Oakland.
@V45194
@V45194 5 ай бұрын
BART has never "made" money, nor was it ever meant to. It has a farebox recovery ratio (percentage of *operating expenses* covered by fares) of 51%, which is pretty high by US standards but obviously nowhere close to fully covering operations, let alone capital projects like building new lines or upgrading existing ones, which rely on taxes plus state or federal grants. And yeah, BART is a special-purpose district, which means it is part of / type of "the government" - if it weren't, it wouldn't exist in the first place.
@TAL142
@TAL142 5 ай бұрын
@@V45194 Fares made up 86% of BART's operating revenue in 2019. However, ridership dropped to 40% during the pandemic, and at its peak, BART could only cover 7% of its operating expenses with fares. BART often spend a lot of money in expansion and building paid parking structures. It almost make BART commute unaffordable and dangerous nowadays when you have to pay for parking and face drug addicts, criminals and homeless. Many people just decide to work from home or not use BART after the pandemic. BART could be at least break even in worse case scenario if they managed their budget but they didn't.
@blueisthebest5k
@blueisthebest5k 3 ай бұрын
0:34 think ive seen that guy before...
@prparker5989
@prparker5989 4 ай бұрын
How about testing the gates that have been installed first to make sure they actually work before you plum in for a total spend? 🤦‍♂
@porsche187
@porsche187 5 ай бұрын
So does that mean when this project is complete that they will replace the useless station agents? Or is BART going to keep them around to further the false narrative of a “fiscal cliff”?
@tjaeoij32
@tjaeoij32 13 күн бұрын
They need to put these up in Oakland and have cops to ticket them all. The new gates are still too slow as well.
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket 5 ай бұрын
This is what happens when your state culture is "gimme gimme, I shouldn't have to work for it." You will never see something like this in Japan, it's also pretty rare in Europe by comparison but it does happen. When you respect your community you show it, these people do not respect this community. All the state has to do is take some homeless people off the street, give them a job watching the gate for "Fare evaders" and give them the authority to arrest them. $1,500 fine per fare evasion. No need for expensive machines, and you've gotten some of the MANY homeless you have off the street. $90,000,000.00 to replace only 700 gates? Wow the tax payers are buying someone a new mansion. This reeks of state corruption. You could build 180 REALLY nice homes for that, you could build over 1,000 apartment units with that. No wonder everyone in California is homeless. I've been to Oakland before the pandemic, I literally couldn't go thirty feet without seeing a homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk, under the tree, behind a dumpster, etc.
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