"Without Religion, Civilization Collapses!?" | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@Leith_Crowther]

That’s like saying “Without poverty and famine, people would be more depressed!” No, buddy, it’s the other way around.

[@DanTaurusAtheist56]

You dont need religion religion needs u

[@simonkoster]

I sincerely hope Chad remains childless.

[@MrCanis4]

When he said he had no children, I cheered a bit.

[@rayelgatubelo]

Or that he doesn't have a family member or friend with a coma, for the record.

[@gregsanich5183]

Good parenting requires only having abortions. That's what I do and I'm a great parent bc of it.

[@Diviance]

@@gregsanich5183 In your case, the best thing you could do for kids is to never have any.

[@Deathvalley1980]

@@rayelgatubelo Exactly this

[@canbest7668]

He’s called before. Gets worked up and has an attitude.

[@Rage867]

Sounds like Chad's parents should have taught him to listen and have a proper conversation.

[@robertacierno2803]

His parents likely didnt teach him much. They were probably dictating to him to love Jesus and do what they say, because they said it. That’s just what I deduce…

[@MrCanis4]

Respect can only be 'earned' as a parent. Demand respect, and you've already lost my respect.

[@rodprops]

💯

[@TiKallisti]

respect is earned, my pity is for free

[@noodle_tax]

authoritative respect is earned

[@Wiggimus]

There is no hate like Christian love

[@tonyfendex2558]

You're right. Christians ARE FULL OF HATE AND FULL OF SHIT!!! THEY ARE ROTTEN TO THE CORE!!!

[@gregsanich5183]

@Wiggimus what would you say distinguishes 'christian hate' as being distinct from the hate we csn see being expressed for theists in all of these atheist comments threads ?

[@Wiggimus]

@@gregsanich5183 Context. Christianity teaches that certain people are inherently lesser than others. People who leave Christianity tend to harbor anger for the organization. Massive difference.

[@gregsanich5183]

@Wiggimus I've been studying christianity for years now, and in all my research, I've never encountered any such teaching from christianity. In fact that's the exact opposite of what their official established doctrinal position on it is documented to be. Christian morality is based entirely on the fundamental presupposition that it's an objective moral truth that all men and women are created in the image of god and therefore have an inherent divinity within all of us. That's it. It's why human life is sacred and entitled to dignity and has intrinsic value. That says "ALL MEN AND WONEN"....and that covers everybody, so you're demonstrate incorrect about that.

[@Wiggimus]

@@gregsanich5183 I'm going to call you out on that because what you said is entirely untrue. There is absolutely no way that Christianity teaches what you claim that it teaches. The Christian bible makes it fully clear that women are "inherently lesser" than men. They're essentially property that can talk. It also teaches that certain people are meant to be owned as property that your kids can inherent. Also, there isn't a single passage that claims that "human life is sacred". The main deity ends people's lives on a constant basis throughout the entire book. Most of those people are less than the age of five who never once did anything wrong. So try again, except this time, don't lie to me.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

No, I didn't "punish my children for bad behavior." That implies the child is broken. I taught them why certain actions have negative consequences. Respectfully.

[@gregsanich5183]

@@SecondaryHomunculus great, I can't wait for them to Rob me in ten years. Good job .🙄

[@CujoKelly]

If this guy isn't already on a watchlist he definitely should be now.

[@gatorboymike]

Once, I told a Christian that my morality was based on empathy. That word was apparently his berserk button, because the instant he heard it, his face turned tomato-red, he bared his teeth at me, the muscles in his neck bulged out, his eyes grew to the size of dinner plates and his pupils shrunk to the size of pinpricks, he got right in my face and screamed at the top of his lungs: "EMPATHY DOESN'T EXIST! IT'S A LIE OF THE DEVIL!"

[@franciscosustek7249]

Jeezaz, these nuts are scary...

[@CycocelVocalist]

Holy shit (literally).

[@gregsanich5183]

@@gatorboymike Are there also other parts of your beliefs and worldview that you base entirely on your feelings & emotions aswell? ....or do ypu only do that for morality?

[@gatorboymike]

@@gregsanich5183 Yeah, bruh.

[@tekbarrier]

Literal psychopath

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

Thank you, Chad, for invalidating the pain and betrayal of being sa'd in my sleep. Yes, much harm was done.

[@cassievining340]

I’m sorry that happened to you. Chad is in a weird world that exist only in his mind.

[@noodle_tax]

to be fair, in his hypothetical scenario the victim could not be aware of what happened. im sorry that happened to you but lets not take thought experiments personally, even flawed ones

[@SaintJermania]

It's so revealing when theists confess that without the fear of God, they'd become absolutely amoral psychopaths.

[@gregsanich5183]

I believe that religion is what is holding humanity back from being able to take the nessessary steps required to save the planet. Namely, the distinctly theistic presupposition that human life has intrinsic value. So long as ppl continue to cling to that unsubstantiated, faith based belief, it will continue to be what is inhibiting humanity from doing what needs to be done. ....

[@gregsanich5183]

.. There is currently a surplus of about 7 billion too many ppl that urgently needs to be addressed.

[@SaintJermania]

@@gregsanich5183 Buckminster Fuller addressed this in the 60's, as is currently being born out in global birth-rate statistics, people whose material conditions are adequately met tend to have far fewer children, the best means of birth control is raising a populations standard of living. We don't have resource problem, we have a distribution problem. I recommend his book Critical Path for starters.

[@DiMadHatter]

​@@gregsanich5183here officer, i found the genocidal maniac.

[@gregsanich5183]

@CollinGerberding there are litteraly over 8 billion of us, pushing the threshold of what the planet can even support. What for? It's not only unnecessary, it's perilous and irresponsible of us as a species. The sooner mankind let's go of these antiquated and unsubstantiated faith based beliefs, the sooner we can decide who's well being is worth the precious limited resources required, ... and who's is not.

[@reefhog]

“Oh you said a lot there.” No Chad, he said a couple of sentences that made sense, and you were trying to interrupt after a few seconds, because you have never learned to listen.

[@godfreyfreeman7754]

Which commandment was it that prohibited rape? Which one prohibited slavery?

[@gregsanich5183]

@godfreyfreeman7754 right? Silly theists. Just out of curiosity, what exscyly is athirsms policy on that again? Does athiesm condem, restrict, or prohibit grape or slavery in any way whatsoever? .... or is athiesm totsly fine with either of those and they both are completely compatable with it and wouldn't conflict with a person's athiesm in any way?

[@godfreyfreeman7754]

Go to the dictionary and look up "atheism"

[@HuxtableK]

​@@gregsanich5183Atheism doesn't have moral dictates or rules. It's about not believing in gods. There is literally nothing else to it.

[@amberinthemist7912]

​@gregsanich5183 there's not a single atheist I've met who thinks either is acceptable. Lots of Christians think both are just fine.

[@HuxtableK]

@amberinthemist7912 Yep basically. It isn't atheists you see continually justifying and excusing these things the way you see Christians defend em.

[@nuclearsimian3281]

I have a medical card and medical reason to smoke weed, even though its federally illegal. I feel absolutely no shame or regret whatsoever when I do so. There is no "oh nooo, I've offended _God,_ therefore I must hate myself" feeling that triggers in my mind whatsoever.

[@old_scaly]

Always glad to see a clip with Lloyd!!

[@dannymccook]

“You’re saying that society is just a social construct”. uhhhhhhhhh…….it is???????

[@sparki9085]

It is THE social construct

[@TiKallisti]

@@sparki9085 They should make a movie! Tbh, I have no idea who "they" are...

[@Soylent1981]

FFS, if you’re going to argue about the need for God to sustain civilization, read some political philosophy or jurisprudence. Why would anyone think they can speak intelligently about a topic they are ignorant about?

[@Leith_Crowther]

Because they’re ignorant about it. It’s called the Dunning-Krueger effect.

[@jeffc2630]

republiquns do it all the time !

[@remoevans7847]

@@jeffc2630Absolutely 💯 right along side democrats. If you can see religious indoctrination in others, you should recognize political indoctrination as well.

[@gregsanich5183]

@@Leith_Crowther and it's on full display here in these comment threads.

[@aaronb.4499]

Wow Chad, you just said that rape can't be harmful! ... shame on you ...and at no point did I feel like I was doing something wrong when I've smoked weed.

[@gregsanich5183]

@aaronb.4499 studies have shown that up to 9 out of 10 participants actually enjoy gang grape.

[@gregsanich5183]

@aaronb.4499 every woman has the power to stop any grape, simply by saying "yes" 🤣🤣🤣lol

[@dannywebb2987]

I love the use of the I'm always the victim card claims his questions are being dodged while dodging and diverting from every question he's asked😂

[@winchester92stevebrook44]

If we were to adhere only to the Christian values of morality from the Bible we could keep slaves, and this is not a proposition that is acceptable to a secular society. My response to this video is not to criticise Christians, but to point out the flaws of having a society ruled by a strict adherence to religious text as Chad proposed. Secularism separates religious institutions from state institutions, proposes freedom to practice any religious beliefs as long as they do not harm others, with the concept that equality does not disadvantage any section of society. I thought that these ideals were the intention behind the American Constitution.

[@gregsanich5183]

What? Sure it is. What is it about a secular society that you think would conflictvwith slavery, exactly? The vast majority of secular societies throughout history have had slavery as a perfectly acceptable and legitimately moral institution. It was only a couple centuries ago when we decided to change slavery to be immorral.

[@gregsanich5183]

Aswell as the official established and verifiably documented christian position on slavery is distinctly and diametrically opposed to it.

[@porkyboy4226]

​@@gregsanich5183present them then!

[@porkyboy4226]

​@@gregsanich5183which secular societies were these?

[@Diviance]

@@gregsanich5183 So... the Church supported slavery up until relatively recently in history isn't proving that Christianity is not opposed to slavery?

[@allenherinckx4474]

One of the first words I taught to my kid was "arbitrary". A blessing and a curse.

[@Lupinemancer87]

"Without Religion, Civilization Collapses!?" Then explain the non-religious civilizations that are currently prospering, more so then religious ones.

[@gregsanich5183]

@@Lupinemancer87 do you mean China?

[@Specialeffecks]

Low bar WLC "If there is even one in a million chance that Santa is real, it's worth believing."

[@rylanasher4756]

2:35 very well handled.

[@RealHooksy]

Societies already have authority figures, they are known as governments. Some are voted in, others are mandated by the strongest people / groups.

[@andrewpagan5087]

I hope sincerely that Chad keeps his religion because it’s clear he has absolutely no moral thought outside of its dictates.

[@Dragonsinger71]

Obviously never took a sociology course. Yes, society IS basically a social contract and a social construct. We all more or less agree to abide by some rules, or laws, and additionally we follow some conventions along with some traditions.

[@jameshenderson4876]

"Chad...you're better than that!" No, no he is not. As he made clear himself.

[@stvnnmnn]

These conversation always seem to miss that we have a notion called "justice" that has an entire system built around it. If you do something wrong to someone, and it is against the law, the person you did it to has a right to justice through the Justice System. If they don't get that justice through the system or there is not a law covering the wrong you did, they just might get justice their own way.

[@saveusmilkboy]

My boy Chad lives in a democracy but doesn't believe humans can create their own authority...

[@christianblevins1870]

It’s ironic that Chad kept using children as an analogy when he doesn’t have any and he kept ignoring what the one person who had children was saying.

[@Specialeffecks]

When I was young, I had a friend whose dad would say to him "I brought you into this world, I can take you out!"

[@TiKallisti]

Oh my dad used to do that a lot in former times, the took me out for dinner... and cinema... and other fun activities - just like a parent should do!

[@gregsanich5183]

@@Specialeffecks it's a womans right to her bodily autonomy.

[@tonydarcy1606]

I have a cheap plastic statuette given to me by my youngest son. *"World's Best Dad"* is the inscription. To me it's worth more than any gold medal ! I just hope that angry Chad with his Christian (don't spare the rod) views, never has to be a father. Oh and no God needed in the upbringing of my offspring (3), all very nice people.

[@VitoDRF]

Society is by definition a social tract, Chad. Also, I'm worried this guy should be on a predator watch list. He came up with that coma rape hypothetical REALLY quickly.

[@phantomofkrankor3665]

Chad clarified something for me. He seems to believe that we cannot be trusted to govern ourselves. I don’t agree and I would rather go with self governing even if it doesn’t work 😋

[@francoisathome5979]

But are you also comfortable with everybody else self governing?

[@phantomofkrankor3665]

@@francoisathome5979 yup

[@francoisathome5979]

@@phantomofkrankor3665 Interesting. This sounds to me like someone saying “I don't need an umbrella” while staying in a waterproof building. How can a self-governing “society” provide health care, transportation infrastructure, education and security without regulations and taxes to fund these amenities. “Society” is intentionally in quotation marks.

[@ReiperX]

Chad, smoking pot isn't necessarily immoral.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Chad is talking utter crap. We have evolved to behave in a certain way for social cohesion. Its anthroplogy and nothing to do with religion. How does he think animal groups work socially? It isnt religion.

[@heiyuall]

Religions don’t give reasons not to commit atrocities. They give orders not to, and usually only some atrocities while celebrating the others.

[@Lord.1337-7]

"Wow I'm not a racist!" Immediately proceeds it by making a racist statement. Wow chad, wow.

[@Gerryjournal]

Chad doesn't believe that conditioning a childs mine to only develop in a restrained direction is harmful

[@MrStringybark]

The question I would like to be answered is this; Is it better to have a dictator who wants the people of the country they rule, like Kim Jong Un, to treat him as a demi-god or to have a religion like Chritianity, Islam, Hinduism. etc.

[@KLRBugeater]

If traffic engineers can assemble rules of the road without religion....., and it seems to work well, except for UK insanity for driving on the wrong side...

[@helicopterharry5101]

I think Christianity tends to collapse secular and religious societies too. :P

[@kyuubisgirl3232]

Yeah dude, society is a social construct.

[@brnfrmjts05]

This guy is coked to the gills. 😂

[@tekbarrier]

He doesn't think committing SA against somebody in a coma causes them harm? What the hell is wrong with him?

[@philipinchina]

This guy is crazy.

[@chriskelly3481]

Well, thank you Chad for warning the rest of us about your sick vision board. Let's all keep kids, invalids and other vulnerable people away from Chad.

[@NewtonDynamics-j2j]

Chad sounds like a very dangerous person. The man should be under heavy surveillance.

[@sparki9085]

"you keep dodging my questions!!!1!" - person who won't answer questions

[@soupdragonuk]

Someone should check Chad's hardrive. He seems to be a very odd person.

[@JMPants]

You misspelled chode.

[@jarljoelson2099]

Scandinavia are secular humanistic countries, and much better to live in than USA, so.......?

[@gregsanich5183]

@jarljoelson2099 you're not making the case you think you are. Secular humanism is built entirely on the distinctly theistic presupposition that human life has intrinsic value, so it can't exactly be secular, now can it?

[@brucewilliams4152]

All civilisation requires laws, we homo sapiens create laws for our did I by agreement

[@WaiWill]

Chad needs to stfu and listen, stop being so defensive and playing the victim when he's called out, drop the arrogant attitude and maybe he'll learn something. Stay away from kids and certainly don't have kids, Chad.

[@gregsanich5183]

I can't imagine a more privledged and entitled delusional attitude or perspective to have than to believe that your welfare & well being should automatically be worth anything to anybody just bc you are human. It's not. The idea of human life having intrinsic value is a distinctly theistic presupposition, that has never been demonstrated to be true. There are literally over 8 billion of us, pushing the threshold of what the planet can even support. Until mankind grows up and stops clinging to those kind of faith based beliefs, humanity will continue to be inhibited from doing what needs to be done if we are gona save the planet. The sooner humanity faces reality, the sooner we can begin deciding who's well being is worth the precious limited resources required,....and who's isn't.

[@gregsanich5183]

@CollinGerberding no, But time is running out for humanity to grow up and face reality before it's too late to save the planet. I can't imagine a more privledged and entitled perspective or attitude to have than to believe you're welfare or well being should automatically be worth anything to anybody. Reality doesn't owe us anything. We are not special. If somebody can't demonstrate more value than their parking space, they don't deserve one.

[@gregsanich5183]

@CollinGerberding what's a "wattpad"? But no, it's just ppl still clinging to those theistic beliefs is becoming a very urgent problem bc we are running out of time. Our window to take the nessessary measures that would save our planet is rapidly closing. More species will continue to keep going extinct while we sit and wait for the theists to grow up and join us in reality where we have some very difficult truths to face and some serious action will need to be taken. ... If they can just let go of their comfy, nice little fluffy fantasy where everybody deserves everything without anyone being required to contribute anything and everybody is of equal value despite some of them being obviously far more competent and capable, while others are completely useless and couldnt possibly contribute anything. 🤗 It's ridiculous. The truth is that reality is a very harsh and brutal place. Better get used to it, bc humanitybis in for some really tough times on the horizon.

[@gregsanich5183]

@CollinGerberding what's a "wattpad"?

[@gregsanich5183]

@CollinGerberding No, it's just becoming a more and more urgent crisis that needs to be dealt with soon, bc we are running out of time. Our window to still be able to save earth is rapidly closing. Theist really need to let go of those ridiculous religious beliefs and compassion before it dooms all of humanity.

[@Gerryjournal]

Chad needs diciplining

[@Karl-Benny]

Why do Godless People Live longer and happier Life's like Sweden Norway Finland than God fearing nations Like the USA

[@SPL0869]

I haven’t heard all of the video yet, but isn’t this the “bababooyee” troll?

[@ankra12]

😂

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Why do people need to believe a god exists and why does this god need a son? This is a good question.

[@reefhog]

Needs a son who is also himself.

[@craigbradford4850]

Chad is very certain of things in which he’s very wrong.

[@Karl-Benny]

China seems to do All right

[@AntitheistHuman]

Actually, with religion society is more likely to collapse, Chad. It is disrespectful and disgusting to see people put the bars so high (say only with religion there is morality, when with religion there is never morality) and defend their fictional tale just to justify immoral behavior

[@gregsanich5183]

@AntitheistHuman It's these religious faith based beliefs ppl still cling to that are holding humanity back from doing what needs to be done to save our planet from the existential threat of overpopulation. Specifically the distinctly theistic presupposition that human life has intrinsic value. It demonstratably doesn't. There are literally over 8 billion of us, pushing the threshold of what the planet can even support. By all rights we should all be completely disposable. The sooner ppl grow up and face the harsh reality that we have a surplus of about 7 billion, too many ppl that urgently needs to be dealt with in order to bring global populations back to a sustainable level.

[@deborahbourque4389]

Chad sounds coked up

[@NewtonDynamics-j2j]

Chad is just a big Troll.

[@davidlee4903]

Sir Sic?

[@LightSage89]

Don't allow this guy around any coma patients.

[@stevewhite6861]

Live your life by the rules in the wholly fable and you would spend all your life in prison.

[@Devious_Dave]

Do other primates need supernatural help to form societies? - of course not. Silly Chad.

[@chris424cm]

What a strange person.

[@stevewhite6861]

This is one of the traits of theists I despise, because they need a supernatural being to tell them to behave everyone must need it, they can't for one second believe that other people can think for themselves and be a good person without some magic fairy telling them to be good, arrogance is off the scale here.

[@Captain101-x1o]

Good point, well made 👍

[@stevewhite6861]

@@Captain101-x1o Thank you.

[@gregsanich5183]

@stevewhite6861 It's these religious faith based beliefs ppl still cling to that are holding humanity back from doing what needs to be done to save our planet from the existential threat of overpopulation. Specifically the distinctly theistic presupposition that human life has intrinsic value. It demonstratably doesn't. There are literally over 8 billion of us, pushing the threshold of what the planet can even support. By all rights we should all be completely disposable. The sooner ppl grow up and face the harsh reality that we have a surplus of about 7 billion, too many ppl that urgently needs to be dealt with in order to bring global populations back to a sustainable level.

[@sparki9085]

Abuse isn't love Chad. Child abuse especially. Please do not have kids, for their sake.

[@67cudaksa34]

for a person pushing morals, he seems to have immoral ideas

[@gregsanich5183]

@67cudaksa34 morality is imaginary. It's all just an imaginary fantasy made up to control and manipulate ppls behavior. It's not real.

[@praiseboognish1979]

Lol! Of course society is a social construct. By definition, it is a social construct. How dumb is this guy?

[@Disturbed0neGaming]

This is the "my daddy fought and died in Vietnam" clown.

[@MisterG2323]

More garbled sound. You guys really need to up your game.

[@reefhog]

It’s from 2021.

[@MisterG2323]

@@reefhog Well, I hope they've improved by now.

[@mattjindrak]

"You're saying society is just a social construct". Yeah, it's kind of in the name Also, this guy puts the "k" sound at the end of "ing" words. I don't like him.

[@Jeremy-xu3yu]

Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. John 3:16, Luke 13:3, 1 Peter 1:23 KJV

[@Furry-iousNews]

Bot. Report for spam and like this comment if you wanna send a sly "f u" to the bot owner. Dont engage.

[@MrCanis4]

Don't bother, this dude's just a troll.

[@Leith_Crowther]

@@Furry-iousNewsI went and got things started.

[@Rage867]

Stop raping kids

[@vvanheukelum]

Bye bye Bot

[@johnmuldowney]

You can always here a batty voice

[@whatuppeople2024]

Huh? Chad, simmer down! Theists never win these debates!