Wizard101: Why Quint Damage Pets Are Not Worth It

[@ferric]

Had to pull out the calculator for this one. Let me know what you think in the comments below!

[@FrostGalaxyGamer]

It's not a true ferric video or livestream until he pulls out the calculator.

[@miketyson232]

I had no wiz babes with my quint damage pets in wiz prior. But now, after watching this video, I get all the wiz babes in the commons. Thanks, ferric

[@Starfishxoxo]

Im a wiz babe let me hatch ;]

[@HuluAerah]

That’s what I’m saying. I also was ok with the damage curve update. If I can rock different gear, then I’m here for it. I use quint on my ice because they base resist is stupid, I feel like for ice, it’s valid.

[@wesbrown738]

I completely agree, but you still get some people being hella sweaty just to say they have 175 damage versus your 172

[@micahgoldson1253]

Obviously that doesn’t matter that much when fighting mobs or most bosses. However, with very specific bosses (Renegade Druid comes to mind), there might actually be a difference. With dozens of blades and traps and auras etc, the difference of 3 gets exponentially multiplied, and there is actually a notable change in the final damage.

[@MatthewFrkovich]

I thought the same thing, I keep my storm at 150 damage, 44 resist but I also target 45% pierce since enemies shield a lot more now and I never convert and still do really good damage. if you want to copy my storm gear I've got: Dragoon Hat, Malistaire robe, dragoon boots, Ione crafted wand, Hopper Blade of Sandstorms, Flygob's Medallion, Dragoon Ring, Pet with double damage, double resist, and double pierce, clockwork pierce mount, and paradox deck.

[@tRiXMaddy]

Nice set up, I love pierce, add pierce with damage and it's way better than higher damage. May I ask what your accuracy and power pip is?

[@MatthewFrkovich]

@@tRiXMaddy 105 power pip with the best jewels and 40 storm accuracy

[@zackrooney403]

All around intelligent video. I agree. I’ve always been an advocate for more balanced stats and now there is a logical reason to go for that

[@pearl_solis]

Chad Triple Double Vs Virgin Quint Damage

[@neo.3]

average quint fan vs average trip dub enjoyer

[@treyvonnecarter8908]

They recently took off the damage limit ❤❤❤

[@baconmunchgd5447]

Yea, I came across this independently a few months ago and it allowed me to create an amazing set up for my fire wizard. I have like 171 dmg but I have 8.1k health and 44 resist. I think triple double is honestly better for every school except storm.

[@xxzombiekillerxx9549]

Why not storm? Storm suffers from health and resistance. What makes it so that a triple double is useless for storm?

[@baconmunchgd5447]

@@xxzombiekillerxx9549 At 140, storm already has a very high damage output compared to every other school that the extra damage can honestly make it worth it. Also at max the fights I use my storm for do not require high health and resist. When I use my storm it’s mostly farming for bosses or items that you achieve by fighting the same weak boss over and over again. For example farming uwe for jewels, king det, or cronus / sand squid for amber. However for bosses where you’re trying to deal around 100,000 damage in one hit, such as omen or devourer I would use my fire because extra health and resist in a fight like that is miles more useful than +3-4% damage (effectively) when you hit since your already have dozens of blades and traps on yourself and the enemy.

[@xxzombiekillerxx9549]

@@baconmunchgd5447 fair point.

[@Starfishxoxo]

How do you have 8.1k? Is this pvp setup

[@xxzombiekillerxx9549]

@@Starfishxoxo you can have 8.1k and have it NOT be a PvP set up. It could also be for PvE. Either way it's a setup and its school is unknown.

[@rachaelkennedy7535]

Really great information here, presented in a way that was easy to understand. Thank you.

[@cheezsticks2071]

Great video! I literally had a guy argue with me because I made a triple-double frill instead of a quint damage. Lol

[@tidela4714]

Ugh, literally the only reason I would keep my quint. I hate when people bring up pets as a means of argument 🙄 Bruh, clearly I’ve survived this long with my pet.

[@hunterp2321]

This is definitely true for solo or duo players, maybe even more casual squads, but a friend and I who have multiple max accounts each sometimes rely on that 1% extra damage to kill quick enough. I have mostly quint damage pets, although I do plan on making triple doubles or quad proof pets as well later down the line. Basically the way I see it, if we kill fast enough that they don't get a chance to kill us, resist doesnt matter. But as i said, more casual players or smaller parties probably don't follow this idea, so definitely more worth for them. Great video tho :)

[@blast4028]

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[@kaihunter120]

The max maxxer indeed

[@JonahSMoonRiver]

as the worlds get more difficult, resist becomes much more important than damage in my opinion. and resist is not very easy to get on questing gear. you have to give up one stat for another. but since people that play this are obsessed with damage i don’t think that’s gonna change. great video!

[@theinternationallanguagees9213]

I have to disagree on this one. Resist I think increasingly gets less important because later on the bosses have more pierce which renders resist mostly useless, and you don’t need resist for regular mobs. situations where you would normally need resist are usually dealt with by juju spammers. I’ll be clear I don’t think ferric is wrong, but I think his argument stands better in saying resist is just “nice to have” or a “why not” type of situation. I don’t think either setups are bad, I just don’t think min maxing at max level is bad either. Both setups are good, but again, the extra resist is more of a “it’s there so I’ll take it” situation rather than a necessary stat.

[@user-zy4tb8jd1t]

@@theinternationallanguagees9213 it's useful for schools that alreadynaturally have good resist (most schools except storm).

[@giannischatzivasileiou]

Whatever anyone chooses to use, this video is perfect. You give out the numbers with a very good explanation and now everyone can decide what suits them better. Keep up with these videos :)

[@theepicjamez99]

This was so interesting! I've always went for quint damage, especially because it helps a lot when your damage is lower than 150 / when you're not max level yet, but now I think I'll go for triple double because like you said it barely matters at all haha. But I gotta wonder what about ice and life? Surely it must be a bigger difference with that extra damage, and since the max level gear gives so much resist anyway, that 16 extra won't make as much of an impact as it would for storm and fire.

[@ferric]

It is true that the 8% makes a bigger difference for life and ice, but that resist also makes a bigger difference for those schools because resist is a talent that gets better and better the closer it gets to 100%. 0% resist vs 50% resist makes a spell do half the damage, but when you get close to immunity, 98% resist vs 99% resist also makes the spell do half the damage compared to the lower resist amount. In the first example, it took 50% resist to halve the damage, but in the second example, it only took 1% more resist to halve the damage. Also the difference for ice is also really low, it's not 1.1% like fire but it is under 3%. When I make the gear guide for all the schools, I'll compare how much more damage that a school like Ice gets by using a quint damage pet over a triple double.

[@Daniel-rb7zo]

@@ferric I'm not sure I agree with the way you present the resist idea. It's technically correct if you look at it piece by piece, but it doesn't cut damage in half multiple times, it just adds to the percentage off of the total (ignoring flat resist). 5% more resist is 5% less damage per hit. An additional 1% less is 1% less whether you're at 0% or 99% if you look at the total. What you're saying isn't wrong, just an odd way to explain and maybe a tiny bit misleading

[@ferric]

@@Daniel-rb7zo I feel like it is worth comparing that way though because the point of resist is it increases your effective HP in battle. When you upgrade a piece of gear, you want to compare your stat increase relative to the previous piece of gear rather than the additive/subtractive change of the number itself. At the end of the day, the point of a defensive stat is to keep me from dying in battle. Having health keeps me from dying in battle. At 8000 HP, if I had 0% resist, I effectively have 8000 HP. If I had 27% resist, I effectively have 10900 HP, which is an increase of 37% more effective HP. If I gain an additional 27% resist on top of that, I have 54% resist, meaning that initial 8000 HP is now 17391. That is now a 117% increase in effective HP even though I gained the same amount of resist as a number. I hope this explanation is a bit better than the one I did in the video, lemme know what you think.

[@Daniel-rb7zo]

@@ferric That's a much better way to put it. I've just seen a lot of people over the years that already struggle with the concept of damage and resist, so I'm wary of explaining it in a way that sounds at all like more is happening than there really is. The second way eliminates that confusion. Well-put!

[@zukokurama]

If possible try to get the absent talent on this pet to be defy, that way you can swap between the bringer/mass feint Jewel to extra damage or the defy/brace Jewel for harder content.

[@ferric]

That wouldn't be a bad idea. Personally I don't want brace-defy because it is not reliable in PvE, and sometimes when you don't need it, it will cast which takes up extra time. Also if a quint damage pet with 8% more damage only gives 1.1% more damage, then a quad-damage pet with 4% more damage would be even less than that.

[@PearlJan9]

It's ok I'm death, i never die. But yea for other schools it's necessary

[@xerodight2057]

Ferric: Quint Damage Pet Guide! Also Ferric: Hehe sike

[@graceheather6596]

I agree I use pets with resist double while questing but when I have natural resist say on Ice wiz I dont mind using all damage pets. Really did not know they changed things again thanks for the heads up.

[@GalaxyHRW]

I’m goin for quint damage on a life just for fun. I wanna have 160+ damage on my life. Gonna make a healing pet eventually as well

[@ferric]

Fair, I hope my point in this video didn't come across as "don't make these pets" but rather "consider triple double as your main pet in use."

[@guildmasterwiggIytuff]

I like the hybrid version with only proof

[@iceminer1234]

The Reddit Andy’s are going to mauld

[@hecatrice2064]

I already made quint dmg for 6 wizards

[@monokuma_NEX3774]

great video, you made great points. Resist helps a lot

[@IAmRogg]

Okay. But how about for someone actually questing? is it still not worth it.

[@ferric]

I would say that the triple double offers better value overall when questing. The extra damage will almost never make the difference between spending an extra round on a battle.

[@ogmistawhite1489]

After making all my quint damage pets I realized that I should of gone triple double :( and I've been trying to justify it to myself and I can't. It's just a little sad to me that I have to make triple double pets after I just got a bunch of quint damage pets.

[@ferric]

I wouldn't say you have to make triple double pets. If you already have a quint damage pet, you should keep using it. It just makes questing easier, especially when a new world comes out because you don't have to worry about healing in battles and you won't find yourself having to switch pets or strategies for a lot of battles with these stats.

[@ogmistawhite1489]

@@ferric yeah tbh I'm fine running with quint damage like the game isn't super difficult but as you said the resistance is better than quint and I agree. I just hate how long it takes me to make great pets lol. Thanks for the reply Ferric, love your content.

[@zacc62]

I’d still go for damage, don’t need resist if you’re one shotting in pve, and the damage is pretty close to not killing when I farm catacombs already

[@ferric]

Fair point, although I will say that using different buffs would probably solve your issue better than sacrificing resist on pets, especially if you're using the teleport strategy to farm catacombs as fast as possible.

[@zacc62]

@@ferric I farm by myself so no I’m not doing tp strategy, 2 or 3 round strat most of the time and barely kills if I only have 2 feints

[@ferric]

@@zacc62 Do you farm whispering sepulcher?

[@zacc62]

@@ferric yeah I got my whole drag set for balance from doing sepulcher a couple weeks ago

[@ferric]

@@zacc62 What school were you farming on?

[@4jaason]

ily ferric

[@II-ix9eu]

I liked this video because you have the exact same pet setup/stats as me

[@thebenchmarkplays9379]

They removed damage cap so this video is now outdated. Quint is supreme

[@daishaunholmes2298]

Honestly bro I feel the same I never wanted to sacrifice my other stats only for all damage but I still don't like what they did to the damage itself it kinda causes problems in some ways especially how I felt like they did the critical wrong I love how the concept of them changing and it's fine as is but they could fix it to make it more ideal, reason I'm even mentioning all this cause essentially they make storm a pointless school they took all it's functions away, with spells gave to fire etc and kinda is dum and unbalanced

[@krab4204]

Do you know any guides or could you make a guide on pet training and how to find the right pet for your character?

[@MrMichaelBCurtis]

When did this change? the added gem should give damage below the line, or in the box under the damage box, it is called flat damage, it isn't a percent it is just an additive. and the pets are not equal, the double damage pet has a 11 on fire and the second pet has a 4 and a 7, so it has the same thing using two slots instead of one. So the fire damage is the SAME on both pets, The only difference is the 4 points of unaspected damage

[@ferric]

Flat damage is the damage with the open hand. All damage from gear is now represented as just damage with the closed fist unless it is flat damage. That closed fist damage is then added together, and the sum of it all becomes your damage percentage. The damage that doesn't have a fire symbol on it is universal damage which adds it to all schools including fire.

[@MrMichaelBCurtis]

@@ferric nice when did they get ride of the flat damage, now i can use gems again. It was flat like a month ago.

[@ferric]

@@MrMichaelBCurtis Well flat damage still exists with flat damage jewels.

[@MrMichaelBCurtis]

@@ferric oh sorry i am confused, i didn't know there were damage and flat damage pet jewels, i will have to look into that, i have no interest in flat damage jewels and that is all i thought there were, there is a lot to this game that is difficult to find out

[@ferric]

@@MrMichaelBCurtis Not pet jewels, only non pet jewels are flat damage. Pet jewels are pet talent jewels, which would be percentage based damage.

[@cass1101]

Mighty Pain Bringer Storm Dealer and Spell Proof should I train to mega and pray for pain giver or Storm giver? Or just hatch again

[@asdf66981]

You definitely should make an updated pet making video. Ive heard using a bloodbat body to begin with is terrible. Also what if you're trying to make a pet that doesn't exist? There's no pet to copy. How would you make it? That almost happened to me making my ward forge goblin. I finally found someone that had fire myth ice ward proof defy. I realized if the pet doesn't exist which often times it doesnt you would need to transfer the talents and body you want. You should include what to do then as well.

[@ferric]

When I make the updated pet guide, I finally feel ready to also make the custom pet guide shortly after since I have been making a ton of custom pets from scratch over the last year

[@asdf66981]

@@ferric oh OK thanks. So it wasn't because you neglected making it but because you weren't proficient enough to explain it correctly.

[@ferric]

@@asdf66981 a little bit of both :)

[@solairecat1384]

My personal opinion I don’t really care about survivability depending on what school I’m playing that extra 200% damage can make a difference especially on a storm wizard

[@ferric]

I'm not sure that it does, in team questing, the buffs that you use already greatly outweigh small differences in damage from gear/pets, and in solo questing, survivability is already more difficult because it takes more rounds to get those buffs up to be able to kill. I have yet to see an example where such a small damage increase was the difference between taking an extra round in any fight.

[@solairecat1384]

@@ferric A lot of is getting lucky and having the right cards i’ve had battles for example where I have completely had bad luck and didn’t draw the right card that I needed Like a blade for example that extra 200% from my pet and my gear has saved my life In some battles but I agree with you that survivability is more important

[@shrivathsanmargams2340]

Yeah Quints are pointless now. Triple Doubles are much better but IMO will-casts are actually the way to the future. I run Windstorm on my Storm pet and it can cast first turn for very little happiness. For other schools I would suggest will cast bubbles. I made a Will-cast Wyldfire pet on my Fire but it’s bugged and doesn’t work. Sadly, the Devs still don’t seem to have done anything about it despite me submitting a support ticket months ago.

[@ferric]

TRUE! 100% agree with you on the willcasts. Willcast feint is already in the game, they just have to add it to a pet and honestly in the near future the fastest strategy for bosses will be 1 turn in which one person has willcast feint, another with willcast hex and the third support with willcast bubble.

[@enthused_panda]

this is kinda insane. I do feel sad though giving up my fire and storm quint :(

[@smeebisesportzbebbins6200]

Keep your storm quint

[@cephydash1533]

@@smeebisesportzbebbins6200 It makes no difference?

[@smeebisesportzbebbins6200]

@@cephydash1533 I’m saying don’t waste more snacks on just making another pet plus storm is meant to hit they will most likely be supported by another person anyway

[@johan7810]

does it matter if I got a epic and rare in the derby section

[@BlackRose-rp7kv]

Eh I find this kind of hypocritical when you are using a frillasaur pet and the narwhal mount which require work/crowns for according to your own words not much of a difference

[@ferric]

I don't see how that is hypocritical, I am simply doing a test here, and the things I was comparing was the exact talents on the pet, not whether or not spending crowns on pack wands/mounts is worth it. I have to keep everything constant between both tests, and the quint damage set happens to be the max damage with perfect pips and accuracy that fire wizards are using. I completely agree with you that it makes almost no difference whether or not you use the mount and pet/wand set bonus combo but that was not the point I was making with this video.

[@SlyJoestar]

Is critical on pets pointless now?

[@jordanweyrauch]

would you say the things said in this vid still stand in 2023? just getting back into wiz haven’t played in almost 10 years

[@ferric]

I still think you'll get more use out of a getting armor breaker and spell proof over pain-bringer and school giver since you can then use the pet for PvP as well but it's totally up to you. Gear is so good nowadays that the exact pet you're using does not matter much anymore.

[@jordanweyrauch]

hey man just following up since i actually managed to get pain-giver, spell-proof, spell-defying, death dealer and armor breaker (the exact pet i wanted!). and i also think im probably going to buy that kroger pet jewel and get mass feint + pain bringer when it’s available in april. before i buy it however, a quick question for you. i wanted to know if my stats were good enough to have these specific talents completely maxed out? do i need to have the max stats of 255, 250, 260, 260, 250 or can i still get the highest percentage for my pet talents with my death gulture pet having stats of exactly 252, 248, 250, 251, and power of 249? thanks man you’re videos have been super helpful and i cannot stress it enough. i’ve basically been binge watching all you’re pet guide vids to get up to speed with this super complex part of the game. even if you don’t respond i just want to let you know you’re content is great 👍

[@theinternationallanguagees9213]

Buy don’t they already pierce thru most the resist

[@deelite6289]

hey man is it possible that i can add you and hatch?

[@ferric]

Join the discord (link in description). You can find different people lending pets for free there.

[@DuskReviews]

As I just farmed for one

[@aether-s2842]

Just made my quint damage pet :c

[@SavvageCabbage]

How does your pet have 6 talents?

[@ferric]

6th talent is socketed with a jewel

[@p.s4769]

How do you get the jewel

[@Starfishxoxo]

What happened to the free pet channel In your discord?

[@ferric]

It still exists, you just DM the person whose pet you want to hatch with by looking in the pet catalog.

[@Starfishxoxo]

@@ferric i don’t see pet catalog at all, only pet lends for some reason? I used to see it like a month or two ago but the people who lend the pets never accept the friend requests to be able to send a dm in the first place. Just letting you know that.

[@Starfishxoxo]

@@ferric sorry I meant to say I only see pet training ***

[@Starfishxoxo]

@@ferric the only person who accepted my request to be able to dm was jappa. Everyone else will just leave the request there and never accept it but I see them messaging in the discord channels. It’s just frustrating

[@ferric]

@@Starfishxoxo You don't need to add someone to DM them. As long as you are in the server, you should be able to DM any one of the pet lenders. The pet-training channel also isn't a place to request, those are reserved for DMs. As for not being able to see the channel, DM a mod about it.

[@smeebisesportzbebbins6200]

sorry man i got to keep up with the other max level storms

[@basedaudio1]

Being a glass cannon isn't always the best build.

[@yvonnegreen9336]

hi

[@dutch_windmill6596]

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