Wizz Air having a little trouble at JFK... | KJFK ATC

Kennedy ain't Katowice... The procedures are complicated, shifts are long and NYC controllers infamously mean...
April 1, 2020: WZZ9015 - special repatriation flight for Hungarian citizens
KLAX-KJFK-BIKF-LHBP
A/C: HA-LVC, A321neo

[@Devilriderrr]

Pierdolone grube rasistowskie makdonaldy 😂😂😂

[@johnboz8087]

Czy wy, ludzie, nie czyścicie toalet w Anglii?

[@usecodejelly211]

kurwa

[@amac140]

Us aviation is far ahead of Europe

[@mikepawlik3989]

@@amac140 buahahahah...u r considered to be the most donkey matrix nation in the world...so get back to earth kiddo

[@alielabdimarras7965]

@@mikepawlik3989 bwahahaaaaa, so true Mcdonald donkey land

[@intuitivme]

These pilots were way out of their usual area. Different continent, different accents, different routing, different everything. Cut them some slag. Go driving in another country or continent. I respect these guys for doing this.

[@Change6609]

All that is not relevant. The Whizzair captain did not prepare his flight Well enough. He even had to ASK for the frequency of ground control. His flight plan was not loaded into JFK’s computer etc. And regarding language: english is the language in aviation and one better should make sure one speaks and understands the English that is spoken in an English speaking country. I live in Europe btw and english is not my native language.

[@lw2537]

I disagree. The airline language procedures and activities should be applied everywhere. Bad preparations, which could have been prevented.

[@ryanmeskill8616]

This plane (and likely crew) flew from BUD > KEF > JFK > LAX > JFK > KEF > BUD, if I remember correctly. These pilots typically fly into very small airports with significantly less separation (GA vs commercial) over much shorter timescales. Even BUD only has ~16M departures/year compared to JFK's 62M. Plus this flight was organized in fairly quick order, with destinations set based on the max range of the A321neo and regional Hungarian consulates, with clearly little done to properly clear the plane ahead of time. All things considered, they did a great job trying to depart an unfamiliar airport in one of the busiest airspaces in the world.

[@zoltanmagyar1273]

Change6609 there are tons of ATC s on youtube, where regular international pilots communicating way much worse than this at JFK

[@jonesjones7057]

Agree 100%

[@andreadaponte6675]

the tipycal arrogant tone of a standard american controller in jfc

[@davidca96]

its not typical to the USA, its typical to the New York City area. NYC does not represent the US whatsoever, its a tiny speck in this country and 99% of the rest of the country do not act like they do.

[@wetter4293]

Also its jfk

[@andreadaponte6675]

@@davidca96 sure, I know that, I know many people from winscounsin and minnesota and they are so friendly, compared with newyorkers

[@flywithmohan]

I mean... the pilot asked the frequency of ground to the tower. A simple AFD or chart supplement would’ve fixed it. The pilots aren’t on their sharp day this day.

[@segredosdotiosam9989]

This is New York only. They were at LAX and people were really nice to them.

[@MatteoMariano]

Bless em... they’ve probably never used American (and Kennedy specific) phraseology and procedures being based in Europe. They did a good job. Great video

[@Glideslopes]

Matteo Mariano : No kidding. God help any European Based Crew having their first US experience be JFK. Even before the current situation ATC there can make you feel like it’s your first solo in a 172. I think they did just fine, and safety was never an issue.

[@dermann439]

@@Glideslopes there should no be any "American specific" or "JFK specific phraseology" - that's why some smartheads came up with a simple but effective way to talk called ICAO phraseology

[@Glideslopes]

Der Mann : Yes, I know that. But you’re referencing JFK. Best of luck with the implementation. 😉

[@dasy2k1]

@@dermann439 the Americans can't even agree on a VFR transponder code with the rest of the world using 1200 instead of 7000 for some reason

[@36thstreethero]

Matteo Mariano Not true, they are in the US regularly, especially Miami

[@ghosttoast7]

I was there to watch it land. It’s kinda funny to think about how these pilots who usually fly short routes in Europe one day woke up and learned they would be flying to NYC

[@n35ql]

Not mention with two stops in-between for refueling both on the way there and back to Budapest.

[@OriginLegacy]

Yeah it’s crazy! Glad to see they managed it in the end 👌🏻

[@luizfelipesoaresdecarvalho5298]

@Gappie Al Kebabi don't you have any respect at all, stupid fella!

[@aehrr4247]

@Gappie Al Kebabi Have you heard of aviation enthusiasts or photographers? How is that no life? Stupid arguement...

[@OriginLegacy]

@Gappie Al KebabiHaha! Do you have nothing better to do? 😂 Also, I'm okay with being a plane wanker (enthusiast)

[@rnzoli]

It's a draw. Delivery didn't understand their callsign first, the flight didn't understand their departure clearence first. Pretty sure that the crew was expecting a different clearence and had a confirmation bias. Given the troubles filing their flight plan, at an unfamiliar airport, for a non-scheduled airline, everbody did just OK and safety was never compromised.

[@stephenrich3029]

Exactly!! Finally someone understands that JFK was doing their jobs and that this is normal

[@rnzoli]

@@stephenrich3029 I think the flight crew understands that too. There were numerous interviews with them back home in aviation-related online news portals and I don't remember any complaints about ATC.

[@Arcadiez]

Unfamiliar*

[@rnzoli]

@@Arcadiez yeah, I spotted that, and thought it would go unnoticed. Then your comment came and I corrected it. All good now.

[@balazsficzere7375]

Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán Nem dolgozom a repülésben, de inkább kérdezzen vissza többször nem? Mármint a pilóta a toronytól.

[@thomasandresen571]

Kudos to the WizzAir pilot! JFK could show some consideration when dealing with a new foreign carrier! Give the pilot a chance to write down the clearance! The controller should drop the negative attitude which certainly increased the stress-level of the pilot. I know all to well how it feels like when ATC is dumping everything on me at once, not a great feeling! It’s a whole new environment with many things done different that in Europe; 1-0 minutes after departure doesn’t exist here in Europe and we usually get an initial altitude restriction from delivery or ground. Interesting post, thanks for sharing! -CRJ F/O

[@robd2184]

Thomas Andresen , they don’t give a toss.

[@supermegajaime]

This is just how they are in that part of the country.

[@ghostdog688]

Given how I’ve heard them speak to some pilots with domestic airlines, I’d say they were cutting them slack.

[@markyyyyyyyy321]

The pilots handled the entire event with extreme professionalism. The JFK ATC were the amateur ones here having the problems. European pilots handled it perfectly

[@larrybxl5406]

Actually the Wizzair pilot did very well (speaking 2nd language) and the JFK controllers were total a-holes!! This is not a regular destination for that airline so the pilots are not familiar, it's a rescue flight taking stranded Hungarians from USA home to Hungary. THIS shows why Americans are so hated all over the world.

[@davidteen14]

I think they should have prepared a bit more.

[@larrybxl5406]

@@davidteen14 maybe ATC at JFK could have been more helpful. What a concept! But why ruin the USA's reputation as arrogant ignorant jerks?

[@albertmaydoub8729]

Larry Bxl he isnt lying tho

[@davidteen14]

@@larrybxl5406 , I flew IFR in that area with a single engine, coming from Europe. I prepared myself and read before going there, had no problem with ATC and it was a great experience.

[@DorianTMChannel]

It's JFK, lots of traffic, controllers have a lot to deal with, they are not assholes. This shows how stupid you are for labeling an entire country based off of one air traffic controller.

[@henrystache1606]

Co-Pilot: How many times do you think we should say "thank you" to Kennedy ATC? Captain: Yes

[@airwipe1639]

Nothing wrong with being polite, especially with any JFK controller!

[@Chris-cz5rw]

Classic arrogant JFK controller on delivery. What they need to remember is that these guys fly to many different countries in the European continent all with their little differences such as UK, French, Scandinavian, Russian and more... of which they may cross multiple zones in one day. Anyones first time somewhere that is completely different and in their second language will be a little tricky and deserves patience. These guys know their stuff and it is just unbelievable sometimes to listen to the superiority complex encountered at JFK from a controller who himself would be a fish out of water in a European or other environment.

[@minitrundle]

A European airline that never flys to the US. The clearance in the way both FAA and EASA structure it is completely different. So they need to be lenient with each other. Not get grumpy because they get something wrong.

[@dermann439]

welcome to another episode of "NYC ATC and it's attitude" unbelievable how they think they rule the world in every single ATC video out there. And then people can't understand why American ATC is hated all around the world...

[@krisztianforgacs1316]

Der Mann I used to work on airport passenger security. Majority of the American passengers were waving their passport and they wanted to walk trough the security area without checking them - just because they are Americans and they have rights. One day, just weeks before 11th of September in 2001 an American passenger said he is a journalist and tried to threaten us, he said he’s gonna write about this, because we checked his luggage and asked him to take off his jacket and put it in the x-ray machine. We told him just do it, at least more people would know we are doing our job properly. On the same airport when Otto von Habsburg came, he came with a big smile, he said hello to everyone in Hungarian, and he took off his jacket, watch, etc without asking him.

[@sam04019491]

Krisztián Forgács Nice story, but what’s that got to do with the attitude from JFK ATC.

[@cstkrisztian]

@@sam04019491 I think that his story was about the 'typical american attitude'. :)

[@ccf3294]

It’s not just the American ATC that gets on people’s nerves , it’s Americans

[@lukesinsigalli9045]

C CF the NYC airspace is some of the most crowded on earth and the ATC doesn’t have time for these atypical things so they have a short temper. For the US, ATC is not like this it’s just something unique for NYC airports and JFK in general

[@dondzik9690]

And what was so funny about it? They were not exactly ready to copy the clearance the first time. Then everything went quite smoothly. Especially if it was their first time at the notorious JFK.

[@segredosdotiosam9989]

Funny that they are assholes and they are not that busy so whats the excuse to be so rude to a foreigner professional pilot. I bet they don't speak a second language like these pilots do

[@CsendesMark]

I think it was the first time for Wizzair in the American continent so far

[@bennodebruyn8290]

its funny because ATC in the USA has differences. From the altimeter instead of qnh, to the fact in the USA they would call 9015 ninty- fifteen instead of nine zero one five. And when the pilot realised the ATC alrdy used the european method to make it more familiar. To me very recognisable to the first time i went to fly US airports on vatsim. Even the entire clearence is different. He was ready but in europe you would only get the dep runway and the SID, in the US its farm more extensive. The pilot was obviously confused.

[@pyxel]

entire world using ICAO procedures and phraseology expect for 'murica

[@spacejaga]

It's too complicated for Dumbfckistan....

[@s_h136]

Space JAGA Actually it’s mostly the American phraseology which is more complicated. And who do you call „dumbfckistan“ comrade? How many nobel laureates, scientific breakthroughs and world class universities does your country have if I may ask?

[@adam_1355]

@@s_h136 shut up. No one cares you dropped out of school and act smart on the internet

[@s_h136]

Spitfire _ What exactly makes you assume that I dropped out of school? You‘re randomly attacking me with childish insults for a comment that wasn’t even addressed to you. Seems more like you dropped out of school or that you‘re just a typical little teen loudmouth who wants to show balls on the internet lol

[@hhgk6963]

@@s_h136 Have you checked the names of the professors in US universities? THEY ARE ALL FOREIGNERS. You just give them US citizenship because otherwise you would be globally unkown. And by the way the reason they come there is for your money. They don't give a shit about America or Americans. That's why most of them can't even speak proper English

[@christianpangilinandeguzma4709]

As I observed, the captain did a great job, being not a regular flyer in JFK. I felt sarcasm on some of the tower operators. Their tone should be welcoming since it's a very seldom flight to JFK, and for sure, to the whole North American sky.

[@naltron]

+1, they forget they only operate at that one airport. ill like to see them operating on a different major airport and see if they are so confident.

[@mauriziopirani5917]

When you're used to fly to small airports like Timisoara or Craiova and suddenly you have to cross the pond and deal with the mighty JFK... Must have been quite challenging. Congratulations to the pilots!

[@AEMoreira81]

A Hungarian carrier hadn’t served JFK since MALEV (which shut down a decade ago) ended service. Wizz is now the default flag carrier.

[@goatlord616]

As an ATCO, I find that tone in which the controller spoke, despicable

[@kris25x]

That's good to hear, as it's of concern to think he has that frame of mind in such a safety critical role. I've been in aviation since the 80s, and the one thing that was all encompassing was crew resource management. Everybody working together, with mutual respect and totally focused on maintaining a calm dynamic environment. The last thing he needs to do is raise stress levels, meaning the flight crew on a very new way of flying that plane, are not 100% focused on the integrity of the operation of it. He needs disciplining and a written warning.

[@OPAdmiral]

Hungarian crew was totally OK. They did a great job at an unfamiliar airport. U.S. controllers were also more or less OK, although a bit impatient, probably due to being tired and because of the whole Coronavirus situation.

[@en7165]

To be fair, why would they be tired considering they have nothing to do right now?

[@kristof1230]

@@en7165 because they flew over from Budapest?

[@magentaMegi]

@@en7165 they are still operating with restrictions and they still have cargo flights.

[@danio1021]

Sorry, but I wouldn't say the controllers were okay. They are dismissive and intimidating for a first-time pilots that are probably not gonna be back there ever. They did not make sure that the clearance was copied. I would say okay if it was another super busy day on JFK, but it is abnormal flight, from the continent with different procedures. How many more accidents does USA has to have due to pilots being bullied into submission by rude controllers. FFS work together, especially during the times like that.

[@hudziszeq]

@@magentaMegi well but that doesn't change the fact that now they have 80% less things to do.

[@jflo4073]

Well, to be fair, US guys hastily picked up for Europe flights don’t get along much smoother at their first attempts either.

[@MartinNeep]

We don’t generally have clearances of this length in Europe. Flight plans are submitted and acknowledged by the Integrated Flight Plan Processing System at Eurocontrol in Brussels. It will only accept a FPL provided it meets certain validation criteria, therefore changes after acknowledgement aren’t common. Usually a clearance consists of SID, initial altitude/FL and a squawk. That’s it!

[@MartinNeep]

@dpetngl It's not a mentality, it's an explanation as to why this crew will not have been used to receiving such a long-winded pre-departure clearance over RTF. This is a European operator who's crew will have had little/no exposure to the procedures and nuances of flying in the US (just as others have found when they come to fly in Europe for the first time...kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4eUoYuDmqqGfM0 ).

[@FreddieTiffy]

@dpetngl ​ Get your head out your arse! "Basic KRAFT" shouldn't involve how well you can understand a highly localised clearance in your second or third language from some typical american controller who works there every day. No matter how well you think you'll be prepared, there's always the element of unfamiliarity when operating to a new destination, which is why such things as standard phraseology are so important. There's a reason things like this happen more often in America than anywhere else, and it's because of morons who share the same mentality as you. And the fact that the you think ATC wouldn't be able to tell the difference between you and a BA captain on your first flight in Europe is rather amusing. Please upload that video of your first flight in Europe (complete with ATC) so we can all watch and admire a Cirrus Captain leading the way.

[@dermann439]

@dpetngl if you'd know how much American pilots struggle with European ATC and procedures on their first flights...

[@FreddieTiffy]

​@dpetngl I applaud your mentality of over-preparing for every possible situation, which is all good and well until something you haven't prepared for occurs, but that wasn't the point I was trying to illustrate. My point is based on the fact you assume these pilots aren't professional and ill-prepared based on their ability to understand a highly localised clearance delivered with a heavy accent at an airport they, and their company, are more than likely unfamiliar with. I'll give you a few examples to highlight your flawed assumption. On one of my most recent flights to Tokyo-Narita, a Delta A350 landed just after us and it took them four attempts at getting their taxi clearance right. Should I immediately assume they're not professionals and ill-prepared for the job? How about last year when a United 777 on the same airway behind us couldn't for the life of them understand what Beijing ATC was asking them regarding their ability to reach 11,600m (FL381). Again, what assumption should I make about those guys? I'm sure any 150-hour student familiar with these accents and procedures would have no problem understanding. I still remember the first time I flew into Delhi or spoke to Iceland Radio on HF to receive our oceanic clearance, both times it felt like my ears were exploding and needless to say, a few "say agains" followed. I couldn't have prepared any more for those flights, but, according to you, I would have been ill-prepared because I couldn't pickup the accent right away. I'm guessing you're one of these armchair experts who've probably never flown outside of their home country? If you have however, please share some of your stories and enlighten all us novices how it's done, captain.

[@FreddieTiffy]

@dpetngl Well, I apologies if I misunderstood your comment. I know unfamiliarity isn't an excuse, especially when the vast majority of the 'localisms' are specified in the gen section of the charts. I just think the controllers in this instance could have cut them some slack, but I guess our opinions differ on this matter. I also didn't intend for this to become a debate between nationalities, as there are good and bad pilots from every nationality I've ever flown with.

[@mirlindbacaj4157]

The controllers are so rude, oh my God. Be kind.

[@scottycatman]

Get a grip JFK. What... Are you busy? With record low traffic? Hand hold the guy ffs

[@emilbree1394]

The Four Horsemen of JFK Airchina 981 Wizzair 9015 Kennedy Steve and the guy who did the pax announcement on frequency

[@KingdaToro]

What about the guy who installed VLC on a runway?

[@tziggy01]

it wasn't that bad

[@martf8014]

Not bad at all from the wizzair crew. just JFK controllers being cunts as usual

[@stromkabel0306]

That were like beginners. Not bad

[@benstratford2798]

I agree.. given that those WZZ pilots have probably never flown outside of European airspace, the JFK controllers should have been more understanding instead of yelling and talking to them in a condescending tone

[@nathanpritchard2943]

Agree, not that bad at all.. they're asking all the right questions and when confused or not clear, both sides are asking eachother for clarification.

[@NeSeeger]

As far as the whole clearance issue it was probly down to language barrier but as far as "ground" telling him to shut up and wait for the 3rd time that sounds like an impatient pilot and a long ground line. everything else sounded neutral enough.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

3:17 the aggression in JFK Ground's voice is killing me 😂😂😂😂

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

Still kills me.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

Still dead.

[@MH-fn8lr]

@@rayanaltowayan9558 it's been a while, are you still dead bro?

[@patriotpilot]

I am Romanian but I would say the Hungarians did OK. The JFK Tower was very nice and the controller was polite and used most of the times “sir”. The rude guy was the Ground controller stating sby, we will call you back on a tone that could be nicer. Maybe he had a lot to do that he reacted in such a manner. The clearace could have been noted doen, you cannot remember such a long one. Then just read back and make your life easy! Being perhaps for the first time in JFK, I guess Wizz did just fine. Stay safe, everybody!

[@mattheisen77]

They did good. Better than i would for sure. Keeping your cool talking with JFK is a real proof of your aviation capabilities.

[@SandaruHettiarachchi]

Muricans, how about some respect to a crew who are in a repatriation operation?

[@john8451]

“Murica Furst!”

[@henryweber393]

I'm going nuts on these pilots at keeping there calm at its best "well done Hungarians👍" I've definitely flown in the past a couple of times with Wizz air great experience on flight besides check in👎 but now I know that they got great pilots for shore!

[@GeorgeMCMLIX]

Quite amusing really 😁Eastern European flight deck crew speaking much better English than the JFK ATC! 🤣

[@alippay2]

Wizz Air pilots did OK. I am not sure how much information they had from company in regards to local JFK operations. I would try to be prepared as much as possible (e.g. clearance caught them off guard). However, it is hard to believe that JFK is that much busy. ATC was direct and to the point (JFK style, definitely not ICAO style). However, they could have been little accommodative (e.g. ramp frequency).

[@archiemiddlefell4356]

I feel sorry for the pilot, there was no need for the ATC to be so grumpy

[@user-uu1fe9gb3b]

It’s JFK ATC, What you expect?

[@user-uu1fe9gb3b]

They’re always like that

[@vehicleranks1129]

@@user-uu1fe9gb3b their like that because its a stressful job and very busy airport

[@AguadillaCGN]

for JFK thats actually very nice. I heard lot of much rude atc recordings at JFK for less

[@simpilotcologne2696]

@@vehicleranks1129 Frankfurt is that too and they are always nice 👍

[@tolisv4905]

Well done Wizz Air - for me it's my favourite low cost European airline! Hope they are still around when the covid madness goes away.

[@turntablez504]

Same! They have really good pilots. I was once on a WizzAir flight that landed in a massive storm. Lots of other planes were doing go-arounds and struggling to land but we landed just fine despite all the wind and turbulence. Hats off to the pilots.

[@keserutimea]

@@turntablez504 most of their pilots are ex-MALÉV pilots (Hungary's airline until it went bankrupt) and they are amongst the best and well educated pilots in the world.

[@stefanolov]

@@keserutimea I always fly Wizz Stockholm -Budapest , great airline .

[@sushi777300]

What an exciting thing for them to be at JFK for the first time

[@janedoe9940]

I love you, Wizzair! Please survive and start flying again.

[@tomodomo1000]

Avianca 52 in 1990. 30 years and attitude still the same in NY.

[@stefanodifranco1297]

Wizz pilots knew that they'll be stumbling,but they solved the situation.And all the cocky ATC can shut up....

[@FuryMDT]

The way the Americans use the ATC system is way different to Europe. It’s unnecessarily long and difficult to remember. These pilots are amazing for doing their best.

[@morzee94]

The attitude from ATC is totally unsympathetic to their obviously difficult situation. They’re on a repatriation mission in the middle of a pandemic as pilots for a short haul European airline who find themselves on a different continent with totally different systems. It’s their first time at JFK which is an enormously complex international airport. They’re at a general aviation terminal with an A320 and about to start a flight plan which is totally different to what they’d normally do. They needed to be supported not made to feel like a nuisance. After all, it’s not like the airport was massively busy at the time!

[@gaborpetrovszki4356]

Hát hogy is mondjam? Nos, igen, valóban, hallottam én is, jópáran előre dörzsölték a kezüket, hogy "majd ott fognak szerencsétlenkedni", mint az Air China-sok, meg majd lesz"Széj ögén". A videoóban is az a nagybetűs "ECHÖ", nem szép. Gondolom, aki csinálta, ha amerikai, akkor kiváncsi lennék a "ty" esetleg "gy" hanjgaira, biztos én is remekül kuncognék. Mellesleg simán megértették és ez a lényeg. Erről az a véleményem, hogy aki ilyet mond az szégyelje magát. SENKI, "I say again", SENKI nem született a mindentudás hatalmával, még a nagypofájú amerikai irányítók sem - hál' Istennek, ez nem standard arrafelé, de igen az ő műszakjuk is hosszú és ez egy nem megszokott rutin járat volt nekik sem. Egyetemi matektanárunk, aki értette a valószínűségszámítást n+1 dimenzióban is mindig csodálkozott rajtunk, hogy mi mért nem veszünk észre számára triviális dolgokat? Nos, valaha ő is a nem tudás/nulla gyakorlat oldalán állt és hosszú kitartó munkával került a megoldás/nagy gyakorlat oldalra. Az ilyennek az a dolga, hogy átsegítse, türelmesen, minden kis részsikert megünnepelve, dicsérgesse a kezdeti lépésekben botladozót. Repülés oktatóként nekem is ez a gyakorlat jött be. ;-) Másodsorban, pilótáinknak van munkaideje és megengedett repülési ideje, ami mindig egy időprés, főleg ilyen hosszú járaton, amihez nagy részük még nincs szokva. Mindenki elkezdi valahol. Üzenném a nagypofájú, kárörvendő majmoknak, hogy ők anno biztosan úgy tanultak meg járni, hogy egyszer sem estek pofára. Irigylem őket, nekem meg kellett harcolnom minden tudásomért és még így is kevés vagyok közforgalmúnak, mert sajna túl öregnek találnak. Nem is ez a lényeg: szerintem igen szolidan és szépen oldották meg a feladatukat az adott sziuációhoz képest. Én igenis büszke vagyok rájuk. Nagyszerű munkát végeztek, irigykedem, hogy nem tartozok közéjük!

[@Samo762]

I have no idea what you're saying, but I bet you're right!

[@gaborpetrovszki4356]

@@Samo762 Som, it means somebody having problem with Hungarian language :-D So, I just said, yes, there were some rumors in Hungary before this unique repatriating flights, that the wizz air guy's will have problems, and there will be a lot of "say again" and misunderstandings. I did not find the "ECHÖ" real nice in the video, mention by text. I would be keen to hear an amarican guy spelling the hungarian letter "ty" which is one letter correctly. They undersood each other finally and that is the important. Furthermore I mentioned that nobody, "I say again, NOBODY was born with knowledge of everything :-D. Everybody started somehow. I would be suprised if there might be somebody who was not struggled while learnt to walk. Every start is cmplicated. The situation at that time at JFK was complicated - unusual - as well, cause some position were opened together due the weak traffic. So, all in all in such a unique, unusual situation, unusual procedures, unusual long clearence message and so on, our guys were good enough, I'm proud of them, and it's a pitty that I'm not one of them. ;-) Some funny videos about americans having trouble other way round :-D kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHiYeKl3pbaei7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIG0aHqfndObh9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmnTpWigr953b7s Have a nice on though! Peace! :-D

[@Samo762]

@@gaborpetrovszki4356 it's a little fun ;) another interesting thing (which I didn't include) is that there was a plane on approach cleared to land already, when they were instructed to line up and given a t/o clearance - this is a JFK speciality, but makes Europeans' heads explode... But they handled it well

[@gaborpetrovszki4356]

@@Samo762 Yeah, it is different for us, but if they were be more often there, they would get use of it. Imagine, the last hungarian scheduled flight to JFK was in 2008 ;-)

[@peterk.6542]

Az látszik, hogy közéjük szeretnél tartozni, de a nagypofájú itt egyedül te vagy ezzel az írással...

[@ryanbarnes631]

Jesus the yanks need to calm down a bit

[@bx713]

My respect for these crew very well done.

[@davidca96]

JFK is the absolute worst place in the country to be calling when you are "new" to the area, I actually feel bad for them totally out of their normal routine. Makes them get that "rookie" crap feeling even though they are seasoned pilots.

[@BogdanSerban]

As used with European ATC, I can say flying in the US seems like a nightmare. Everything is different and the attitude of the ATC doesn't help.

[@Giardintek]

That Assh*le at the tower sounded like Tony Soprano, Instead of helping a new airline whom never landed at JFK before, He says' I can't help you, not my area. I am in Canada and every time I fly SA or EU, I avoid going thru the US. Good to know that Wizz picked up the stranded citizens and safely flew them home.

[@MaxiBela]

LOL, Tony Soprano was a good point! :-)

[@pilotgabriel5290]

1 year from the future,you've done a great job😉

[@rikjanssens8971]

These kind of unprofessional and rude air traffic controllers should be immediately kicked out!

[@rickykelleher9833]

Hungarians definitely speaking more professionally than the US tower. I listen to a lot of European ATC and the quality, efficiency and professionalism is so much better. Towers like JFK get grumpy when they're busy and usually their snotty responses actually causes further delay than if they talked like professionals.

[@thawekpl]

By speaking too fast and using non-standard phraseology, they put themselves into a point, where the only response to that is "SAY AGAIN?", and all the time they think is saved, now it's gone.

[@williamjohnson7699]

Bless their heart for trying, flight planning etc is sooooo different from American to EU

[@pascalfl2610]

I didn't hear any trouble. Somebody is overreacting here.

[@lm1584]

3:15 - someone was getting needlessly pissy

[@petea2485]

Your stupid

[@nathanpritchard2943]

CRAZY WizzAir Pilots cause CHAOS at JFK. ATC controllers FURIOUS!!! click like subscribe

[@thehardway7970]

Just looking at that beautiful Pink A321 neo in the picture is giving me heart ache. 😓😓😓

[@bobblue_west]

Wizz Air are starting ops again this week from London Luton to E. EU.

[@SexyGreek92]

Never mind the controllers at NY, the airport staff itself at the security is 100000x times worse! I AM a European, and I have been to NY for the first time ever 3 months ago and all I can say is never again. Horrible, rude people! Especially the ones at the airport, that was the finish line. I have never ever been spoken to the same way I was spoken to from those arrogant and ignorant people. It's such a shame to think back on New York in such a bitter manner.

[@SuperBooboo02]

believe me the rest of the United States thinks the same thing about New Yorkers

[@Preidak]

Seems like JFK has problems with JFK for not knowing their own freqs. Actually JFK has problems with everyone tbh.

[@nicholasherring7667]

The beautiful thing is I've worked with this exact aircraft many times :)

[@godfather4047]

Thats one long ass clearance. Difficult to note down.

[@SwordofDamoclese1]

I've heard much worse than this. Plane got in the air safely on their filed route, that's all that matters.

[@ChickenCrafter007]

I have no clue about aircraft radio calls, however the JFK tower has an attitude.... jesus.

[@vehicleranks1129]

Um, when your working a stressful job and at a busy airport, plus being a new Yorker that tends to be the case

[@QuarioQuario54321]

WizzAir should start flying to JFK regularly

[@Samo762]

They could in theory operate a flight from say Ireland or the UK, but that would be very close to their A321's service range.

[@andy-ally]

@@Samo762 They have 20 A321XLR with 4500 nmi on order :)

[@spacejaga]

@@Samo762 they are flying Budapest to China right now (for medical supplies) and doing BUD-TSE(Nursultan)-PEK-.... I see no issue in doing BUD-KEF-JFK etc if demand was there.... But history shows us without proper business class those flights are hardly sustainable. And low cost airlines just can't offer that. Plus logistical nightmare of having few crews live in NYC.... That just cuts against low cost operations... Even if somehow they managed to cover costs it would bring price per seat right next to all other carriers (Wizz has under 200 seats on A321).... Also due to current crisis it's off the tables completely for the next couple years. Even at best times it wasn't seriously considered idea. So they neither should or would fly JFK.

[@spacejaga]

@@andy-ally on order before virus.... Now that operations will drop dramatically after quarantine it will take over a year to get back on track with usual operations, let alone continue expansion..... Tourist destinations was decent chunk of operations without much of a competition, now there won't be demand for those and thus overall operational margins will go down :/

[@shauncalway62]

They should fly bristol to varna regularly

[@BearerOfJustice]

As a commercial pilot in Europe i feel them, it's a totally different environment and procedures than in the US... Even in big airports, they did well, they should cut them some slack

[@Funkschell]

That long awkward silence when the brain only caught half of the message and unable to read back.. Forgot the notepad. Been there, done that. All in all I think they handled it well though.

[@connorsmith1531]

*why is New York tower always so grumpy the atc needs a chill pill*

[@aidengillag]

I swear this is the same controller with the attitude everytimem

[@cornelrebegea1451]

They did very well. Wizz flights are among the best.

[@tropicaladventurevi]

Wow. I hope the airline filed a complaint against those controllers. Incredibly unprofessional.

[@BrynHr]

That ATC is really impatient to say it's a completely new scenario for the pilot!

[@bennodebruyn8290]

haha so my first time on USA vatsim was actually quite realistic

[@patchescessna7348]

Why is it certain controllers at JFK can get away acting like axxholes? Where are the spvrs? As US citizens we should not allow this juvenile behavior at all levels. And the dated argument they’re New Yorkers working in a stressful environment? That crap doesn’t get it, Go stand in the unemployment line....

[@danielvygodner6620]

Patches Cessna JFK is the busiest airport in America it’s usually a lot of traffic to handle and their goal is to get planes in and out safely and if there’s a lack of communication from the pilot then of course it’ll get them to talk with an attitude as they don’t have much time for error

[@dermann439]

@@danielvygodner6620 even if this argument would be stated 1000 times it would not get any more true. JFK is not even in the top 20 of the worlds busiest airports let alone the busiest one in the US. not by passanger amount and also not by aircraft movements

[@patchescessna7348]

Daniel Vygodner Daniel, I see your point but it just doesn’t hold water. JFK and other facilities have been letting this bs with a few of these clowns go on too long, The argument you pose? Jeez, I’ve been hearing that old song for 25 years, If theres a problem? Then fix it after so many years, Give em a discrete freq if needed, You know you’ve got a foreign crew coming off a long flight, hours out of their time zone, English is far from their tongue, and JFK is dishing out BS. I haven’t seen it at JFK but I remembered at LAX once the crew froze up, ext thing I knew another slower talking controller took over the position and problem solved. Again Dan, I see your point and agree but this nonsense just isn’t going away at some facilities until they get real push back.

[@abodemortgageslimited7480]

I miss hearing Kennedy Steve’s dulcet tones!!!

[@NitayNostrasifu]

New Yorker tone

[@simpilotcologne2696]

Never ever heard about CAMBRIDGE 😂 Props to the WizzAir pilots. Glad they fly to my town of cologne every day. They did pretty good at NYC. They are not used to these Standards in the US. He stayed very cool though ATC was tilted👍

[@piotrkuler2474]

Well, they fly all over eu and Uk so it's not about english... It's just merican "standard phraseology"

[@Miftahjaya96]

amazing video description my bro.

[@raidazz1]

Those JFK atc delivery guys need to chillax a little!

[@amc3]

Getting clearance for a transatlantic flight is very different from clearances in Europe, its much more complex. Respect to the flight crew for bringing their citizens back to Budapest, bless em. I love WIZZAIR, used them many times in Scotland, Poland and Ukraine :))

[@Samo762]

The procedure in the video would have been the exact same had they been flying to Toronto. What you're talking about is a separate procedure, which usually takes place via the datalink.

[@amc3]

@@Samo762 Do you mean oceanic clearance?

[@joshsheff7189]

I get that it's a stressful job, but it really pisses me off (as a Brit) when American controllers get short with foreign pilots for misunderstandings due to the language barriers. I mean Jesus America, you're not exactly known for your flawless fluent handling of the English language yourselves!

[@TheHendrickmsman24]

For being new to the area and espeically JFK and how busy it is. I think everyone handled it will aside from some growing pains.

[@ivanabugarcic1093]

I agree with description. Nice video

[@EREJones]

‘Kilo Echő’ made me smile quite a bit

[@JasperNLxD]

Also "knighty fifteen" when he said "9015"

[@michaelpugliese2715]

JFK / KJFK / ATC Now I'm hungry for KFC

[@EdoardoCetronio]

They did pretty good considering the out of ordinary situation for them

[@danilonania1504]

Flying in the US if you have never been there before can be tricky and ATC treats everyone the same like we are all from Texas, so you know Wizz did fine enough even if now left home 20% of its pilots some of them friend of mine...

[@aviationnow5103]

When I become a pilot hopefully I will speak to ATC in northern Irish accent- Fast Drawn out letter

[@tornadocapoeira]

Is this your first time for them to fly on it I understand

[@lorytbest92]

Crazy place ..crazy people

[@ivaylotsvetkov3801]

A few things that should be noted before anyone even bothers trying to judge either of the participants is: Wizz Air side - Crews usually have english as their second language - Flights are usually (Very few exceptions) to secondary airports with low traffic - Communication has slight variations between Europe and the US - Flights to the US are not a thing JFK side - JFK is a very busy airport, in which things are usually done at a rapid pace - ATC usually dictates the tempo and way things are done in order to prioritise and direct traffic as efficiently as possible Extra note - This is a flight performed under special circumstances where not everything was planned and done as well as a routine flight, leading to some lags in information handling

[@MaxiBela]

100% agree.

[@AguadillaCGN]

the flight starts from the general aviation terminal instead of a normal terminal?

[@Samo762]

It was a special, non-scheduled flight. They don't normally fly to JFK. That's the point...

[@DaleSteel]

I love whizzair. Never used them just like colour

[@bravelamprey9508]

American and European has some slight differences as the procedures are not similar. For example in a basic European clearance, you get sid, runway, initial altitude, and squawk. But the clearance in America is a bit complicated. Considering that these pilots are entirely new to the procedure, they did a great job. And one more, At many European airports, there is no such thing as ramp, the ground controller only controls the ramp and the taxiways. And the controllers at JFK were rude as they are almost always..

[@jackiebayliss]

Agreed.

[@andysedgley]

"To be out of one's depth" on wiki references this video

[@Lime-rk4hh]

This is me when playing Vatsim :)

[@ThePaddyPower]

Imagine the crew... Flying outside of Europe for first time and being sent to Kennedy in a very hastily conducted flight. Your dealing with different terminology, different ways of doing things and a different way of planning. There's a HUGE difference between flying Budapest - Sofia two times a day and New York - Europe. Big difference While yes, it would be best practice to fly along side someone with experience in flying into the US but I highly doubt Wizz have that ability. Cut them some slack; they did alright. 👍

[@andij605]

I mean they fly to Nursultan and Baku and Abu Dhabi and some other random placed outside of Europe. I guess that's why they sounded a little lost, but they weren't completely lost. edit: they do have some Irish, English, etc pilots as far as I know, but I think for this mission they needed to send Hungarians for whatever reason

[@Adam-ki9pz]

- We have clearance, Clarence. - Roger, Roger. 😂

[@stephane1952]

Honestly, its not shocking. Guys must be pretty stressed out flying out of one of the busiest airports in the world, with extremely congested airspace. Seems like they were flown there on short notice.

[@paulgallagher9734]

I think the crew did just fine in the circumstances.

[@jackiebayliss]

Agreed

[@emidiogol]

First time at JFK is a hell

[@tucker8736]

I'd say they did quite well. JFK for the first time is daunting for any pilot, let alone a non native English speaker!

[@dillon17]

Everyone in the comments are bashing the pilots... the ATC phraseology in USA is COMPLETLY different then Europe, the accent is different, the routing is different, and the pilot isnt even ENGLISH, so it makes it harder for him. Give him some slack ffs. Especially with the grumpy JFK controller who clearly doesnt know the pilot is struggling cus hes new. Bless the pilots.

[@emiratesaviation33]

And then there's me who would threaten to crash into the tower if he doesn't talk politely and give clear instructions.