WLToys XK A160 failure!

The XK A160 I purchased looked so nice but as it turned out my experience with this one ended up in failure. I wouldn't recommend to this plane due to the problems associated with it.
The flight controller isn't working properly. Some users never experience it and others do, but it's still a problem. A lot of suggestions have been made to fix it but there's no cure for it. I wouldn't consider just moving the antenna or hole in the control horn to do a quick fix.
Overall the construction is to heavy and still the main wing has a very severe flex to it. Wing loading is high and to stall and spiral down is to easy. The plastic parts on the landing gears will break pretty quick. Wiring and the plastic screws that hold the wing are other things poorly designed.
In the end I gave the crashed plane to my kids to play with and moved on to better planes so I don't have it any more. I did consider to purchase another one and give it a second chance but I can't see this plane ever becoming something I like.
Instead I would look at the Eachine 400mm warbirds as they are fantastic micro planes. To me they are better than the UMX micro planes and less expensive.

[@thegrandemperor78]

I have one too, as a model she is a real beauty, makes you fall in love with the original Piper Cub. As a flyer, not so much. I have problems with the elevators, and the range of motion on the rudder and aileron seem inconsistent. The land gear in theory is nice, but mine has fallen off or fell to pieces in the slightest crash.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yes it looks nice but that's about it really. It's the worst Cub I've had.

[@TheKYMB01]

I've bought 2 of these and taught my Grandson to fly with it. Amazing stability with the gyro made it easy and we have had heaps of fun. I believe your centre of gravity was too far back making it stall and you needed to move the battery pack further forward. Yes the undercariage is too weak but still an amazing rc plane for $100

[@jasoncurrie475]

Watched your video, and what you're doing your tips stalling but if you would have lessened the throws on on everything, then it would be fine XK needs to send them out with the minimum throws because new pilots were prone to large transmitter stick movements and that's where the plane is having trouble keeping it level it's just a tip stall

[@rcplanetim53]

Ive been flying planes for over 40 years and I bought one and it was all i could do to get it down in one peice. They have a big problem with the electronics I also bought a beaver and it does the same thing,, No more XK for me.

[@kelvinbloomfield1375]

great plane .get it up a few mistakes high. .connect to the outside control horns for a less aggressive rudder .use the ailerons to avoid tip stalling on turns and dont let the speed drop too low on this plane. just my opinion

[@nattybumpo7156]

No such thing as tip stalling. What you are seeing is an aft Cg.

[@cansaglam1174]

Hey, thanks for this review! Where I live, I found someone selling this beautiful plane for very cheap. But I see that the plane is flawed. Would cancelling the rudder completely fix the problem? I think it is possible to fly this model just by using the elevator and the ailerons, right? Do you think that this would be a good idea?

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I don’t think this plane is worth the effort really as there are so many other great flying planes.

[@cansaglam1174]

@@SunriseRCAviator I think that's right. Thanks!

[@user-ho2yw6on3j]

I observed your video of crash, it was a tip stall caused by the smaller cornering radius than the win can support the lift. The plane flew too slow and you could misjudge it’s floating force. No, the cornering radius of the J3 is far bigger than you thought. Even if you have a big RC version of J3, you will also have this problem. It is the aerodynamic, it is beyond what FC can do.

[@tungym]

Echo what you said. The rudder travel has been set too much (factory setting too agressive). Even my 2m glider will stall if rudder input is too much at slow speed. It is simply the character of each plane's aerodynamics is different. But I agree that most beginner has some sort of expectation ( even for cheap stuff).

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@tungym Nothing wrong with both of you in your general analysis of slow flight stalling. This will do that easily with its high wing loading. But it is the flight control glitch shown by "Props and Wheels" in his bench test that really condemns this little yellow turd!

[@monitosmarketing9733]

So if I fly it without the rudder (disconecting it) and only with airlerons do you think it would be less risky?

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@monitosmarketing9733 Because you are commenting at this late date, it is assumed that you have just bought your XK A160? If so then yours will almost certainly be the v2 version. Check the writing on the flight board - it should be marked "A160 R2" AND have 2 satellite receiver sockets. This new version DOES NOT have the "auto crash" programming glitch in the flight board firmware that the first version did. However the plane still suffers from all the other defects of the original design. (Too heavy for its wing area, a bit tail-heavy, easily deformed motor to prop adapter, brittle plastic fittings, needs to be flown fairly fast and turned slowly to avoid stalling etc.) Limiting the rudder travel is good but disconnecting it is bad, since that means that you will need more aileron inputs to turn leading to more stalls. Gentle coordinated turns at higher speed is best.

[@jasoncurrie475]

Not a failure, the tip stalls are due to the throws being too large if you lessen the throws on that ailerons as well as the rudder and move the receiver board into not away from the rods the metal rods that control the elevator and the rudder you won't have any more tip stall issues as a matter of fact I clear coated mine with Rust-Oleum gloss clear coat so mine is a whole lot heavier and I done those three things moving the receiver antenna and less than the throws on my ailerons and the rudder and I've had zero tips stall issues it flies and moderate wind the only thing I'm having trouble with is trying to learn how to take off I hand launch it but I can land just fine

[@SunriseRCAviator]

It is a failure when the flight controller holds the rudder fully in one direction after input even after release of the rudder input. That's why it went into a spiral stall. I do push most of my RC planes to see when they stall to get to know the limits and the XK A160 doesn't work as it should. I've never seen this in any other plane. Sure I could have reduced the servo movement but that would have left me with a very limited airplane and frankly some airplanes aren't worth to fight.

[@Doggeslife]

@@SunriseRCAviator There have been many reports of rudders going to full throw with no control input. Nice looking plane with poor code in the stabilization system. A shame. Pop a different receiver in them. That said, wing loading is almost double that of the great-flying Volantex Sport Cub 500. They built it a bit heavy so keep the speed up.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@Doggeslife Yes there's a bunch of problems with this Cub. I moved on as I didn't think it was worth it fixing all.

[@Doggeslife]

@@SunriseRCAviator I have one on the way from Bang Good since they are under $70 right now until the 31st. I plan to immediately drop a 2S DSMX brick in it and use my Spektrum transmitter instead. Maybe give it a bit more motor too. It may still prove to be an OK airframe with the right electronics. We'll see. Happy flying!

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@Doggeslife Let me know if it works.

[@GroundControlRC]

Very nice commentary on this plane. My biggest complaint with WLToys/XK is the 3D Mode on their Planes. I wish they would remove the 3D Mode in favor of Full Manual Mode. I would be much happier with Full Manual Mode. See you in the Air!

[@thetwogardens6048]

I think you are right !

[@mayi420uplease]

Check out Eachine. The planes fly amazing and extra batteries are cheap

[@GroundControlRC]

@@mayi420uplease You're right Michael. I have several Eachine Aircaft and just finished reviewing the new Eachine F-16 50mm EDF Jet ;-) Awesome!

[@sergeysavchenko4435]

Noticed dropping the throttle to zero returns rudder to neutral in seconds. How can it help when speed is lost to cause dramatic tip stall?

[@SunriseRCAviator]

The flight controller is the culpitt of most problems with this plane. It's also too heavy.

[@monitosmarketing9733]

Hi thank you so much for sharing this i am waiting for my mine to arrive but I was wondering what do you think it could happen if I just disconnect the rudder and just Fly it with the airlerons

[@SunriseRCAviator]

You could do that but maybe better is to set it up so that the rudder can't move more than a tiny bit. Keep up speed also as it really doesn't like to go slow.

[@Nemesis_121]

Anyone had any experience with changing the RX and TX? Does it solve the problems?

[@jordancoleman2402]

You can install a spektrum sattalite and use a spektrum radio flys great

[@jimpuff8409]

I wouldn’t give up on it . I would fix it and try again . Maybe the trim was way off . DON’T THROW OUT. I am sure through trials and errors you will get it to fly good. Good luck!

[@NanoSkyWalker]

I think the main board can be defective? I got the a260 and after the first test before start not a single servo worked properly maybe the first 2 times all worked and the suddenly the servos stopped centering and they started moving very slow maybe that's what is causing the spiraling. I believe I will replace the board by one from volantex I have 2 of those and they are amazing.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Flight controller is not working properly among other issues.

[@NanoSkyWalker]

@@SunriseRCAviator definitely looks defective then

[@bigg9042]

Did you put it on the outer hole

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yes I did.

[@nattybumpo7156]

I agree. I purchased this plane as a parking lot beater and found the build quality is awful and it had severe weight and balance issues. Cg needed to be brought forward nearly half an inch before it would fly.

[@robertwright4015]

Weight and balance issues need to be corrected before first flight !! Also the function of ALL the controls need to be thoroughly checked before first flight, that means smooth control movement - not sticking - control surfaces need to be flexed and easy to move ( servos disconnected from control surfaces ) Aileron differential needs to be mechanically setup via servo arm position and control horn on aileron. Per AzTom40 2 weeks ago, "The suggested cg in the laughable "manual" is WRONG. It makes the plane tail heavy causing tip stalls and spins. CG should be no more than 1/3rd of the cord of the wing from the leading edge." I balance mine right" -----45 years of RC experience." A new pilot needs to learn a little and get assistance from an experienced R/C pilot. This video reviewer is zero help to a beginner. Check other videos and reviews, likely found on RCGroups.com

[@susancardwell1189]

I had the same problem so I gutted all electrics out of plane and put in new motor ser on and ecs board and then bound it to a spectrum dx6e what a difference

[@SunriseRCAviator]

That’s a good solution!

[@AustinZombinator]

I just got mine today and can't even get it to work. All the plane does is beep and flash a red light. Nothing on it works but I can tell it's getting power atleast

[@thetwogardens6048]

I have had trouble with this airplane as well. I put barbecue skewers onto the struts so they are real struts. I put 10gm weight up front behind the engine to balance. But I do notice something funny with the controls. I took off the landing gear for now. I am thinking of disconnecting either the Ailerons or Rudder and having three channels. ??

[@SunriseRCAviator]

It's a plane with issues for sure. Some do disable the rudder to avoid tip stall and others do more heavy alternations.

[@thetwogardens6048]

@@SunriseRCAviator An American guy says that the he put the receiver antenna closer to the receiver hatch door and that fixed the problem. I will test it this week.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@thetwogardens6048 I don't think that will make a difference. What I think is the problem is the overall design of the airplane. It's the flight controller, it's the rather heavy wingload, it's the flexible wing so lots of things going on.

[@thetwogardens6048]

@@SunriseRCAviator For a nice looking plane its very disappointing !

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@thetwogardens6048 It is.

[@hobbywitch623]

I had similar problem,I reduced rudder limit to 38%

[@FromAboveAndBeyondChannel]

Sorry for the krasch but its fixable glue it apart again. 😀

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Maybe I will revisit it someday but for now I have a bunch of other planes to deal with

[@FromAboveAndBeyondChannel]

@@SunriseRCAviator Super thats good, hope you get the Eflite Habu STS 70mm in the air soon. 😁👌

[@robertkelly9508]

I think I will try my maiden flight without rudder and aileron mixing, don't want to end up crashing like you.As the other people have said - you could easily GLUE that thing together again man, don't give up so easy - glue it back together and get it in the air - you got to master it!! Rob

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I don't have the parts any more so it wont fly again but I've considered to get another one a few times. The thing is I have so many other great planes to fly so I just have to let this one be for now.

[@robertkelly9508]

@@SunriseRCAviator I have put the rudder horn on the outer hole as many suggest so the rudder is doclie, would you recomment I have maidem with or without rudder mixing? Is the c of g all ok , I read another guy put a coin upfront? I want to get this right, I suspect all will go well, its such a cute plane I would be devastated if I wrecked it early on. Try the 1 cell Volantex Sport cub (it's red & white) £50 on aliexpress, and you just press a button to do loop or roll, I got one and highly recommend it. Rob

[@russellbowden583]

I watched this video and many like it, and decided not to buy this plane. After a while its good looks got the better of me and I bought it anyway in hopes they'd improved it and addressed the tip stall and other flight issues. To my pleasant surprise it does appear to be the case. It isn't great build quality (still hard to assemble wings and I broke one of the turning keys that pin the wings down) and I couldn't tell you how it flies compared to other planes, but the rudder does appear to have an extremely limited range of movement, though there have been zero tip stall issues and each of the many crashes have been entirely my fault. Over all I'm very happy with it and would recommend it to another beginner wanting a good looking plane with good features for not much money.

[@Aztom40]

The suggest cg in the laughable "manual" is WRONG. It makes the plane tail heavy causing tip stalls and spins. CG should be no more than 1/3rd of the cord of the wing from the leading edge. I balance mine right, moved the rudder and elevator pushrods to the outside holes and mine doesn't tip stall or spin out of control. 45 years of RC experience.

[@felipe.silva.sanches]

Hey! Does your a160 have reduced motion in the elevator? If yes, does it need to fixed or can fly normally?

[@felixwildemann5775]

I know why you dont have any Motivation but listen: I have the Plane at release and yeah it Crashes 5 Times? I think so. Its not really a beginner Plane it needs a big fly space because when you make your turns to close it will crash. All in all its not a money waste its a good plane:)

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I'm glad you find it good! I guess I have to many planes at hand right now and there are some I like and some I don't. The XK A160 to me had certain things I didn't like and on top of that it crashed very easy. If I would purchase another one I could probably make it fly okay but others things would stay the same so I decided to let this one be and look at other planes instead.

[@shanemichaels8289]

Right the plane needs to be properly setup and balanced you need at least 200-300 yards to fly it comfortably because sudden turns will tip stall it. DO NOT fly it in mode 1 the elevator is added automatically as throttle is added in mode 1 which leads to stalls when you go to power out of the stall it adds more elevator. You have to set the elevator level for mode 2 on the controller and it will fly perfectly

[@ErnestPJay]

I have like this one and upon maiden it tip stall several times. Now i am scared to fly it again. Its a waste of money...

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I agree, this plane is a waste of money as there are so many other great flying rc planes to choose from.

[@shanemichaels8289]

It just needs weight added to the nose and the rod in the rudder servo needs to be moved to the inner most hole and the outer hole on the control horn

[@jasoncurrie475]

Yes lessen the throws on the rudder and move the receiver antenna and it will not do a tip stall again. Mine was doing it and now it's totally fixed

[@shanemichaels8289]

@@jasoncurrie475 what I realized with mine is that in 3g mode the elevator goes up automatically as throttle is added in 6g mode the elevator goes up to about 15-20 degrees nose up. After I adjusted the elevator control arm and set the elevator neutral in 6g it flies like a dream

[@jasoncurrie475]

Mine is still flying great, after I see done like I said and lessened the rudder throws all the way. Funny thing about doing this is it still has plenty of rudder authority.

[@Czechmagnum]

Yes i have the same problem. Rudder got stuck. :(

[@SunriseRCAviator]

It's riddled with problems so I would look at other planes.

[@adrianstirn1255]

I hated this plane and crashed it many times with death spirals. Got some great news for owners of this plane. I positioned the aerial instead of going towards the back of the plane to the front of the plane so it goes under the cockpit. It flies really good now with no glitches. Would be interesting if others have the same success.

[@shanemichaels8289]

I can confirm that this works. Also make sure the elevator is level in mode 2 when neutral by adjusting the control rod. Coat the plane with minwax polycrylic to protect the finish and add rigidity. Tape around the nose cowl where it meets the fuselage. Add a dab of hot glue where the gear attaches to avoid repairing it later after a hard landing.

[@manicfour]

Will you two share pics of this that you have done. I ordered this then read and watched reviews. Seller said it was too late to cancel the order. So say in about 3 days now it should arrive. Feel free to inbox on messenger if you have it. Hubert Ponder is my name. I'm sure I will need help to make it fly great. I'm not new to the hobby either I will add. Thanks

[@dbt3477]

I'd also like to see a pic

[@adrianstirn1255]

@@dbt3477 I dont know how to send a pic. The aerial is a wire that points towards the back of plane. Just turn it so it faces up towards front of plane.

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@adrianstirn1255 Sorry, but all these "cures" are just BS! This plane has a heap of faults (FAR too heavy for wing area, tail-heavy as supplied, all the plastic bits far too brittle, plastic motor to prop adapter easily deformed causing the prop to buzz and further upset the gyros, etc) BUT the real killer is shown in the video mentioned elsewhere here (by Props and Wheels) - the flight controller slams the rudder hard over unexpectedly at times. Placing the plane aerial as suggested WILL give you more range BUT that is not the problem as can easily be shown by the simple test of turning off the Tx at the bench. Getting on your horse and checking the maximum control range is something that everybody does with a new toy before launching it anyhow surely? Also adding extra weight with more tape, paint and hot glue to a plane that is ALREADY WAY TOO HEAVY is just plain dumb! 🙄

[@jasoncurrie475]

Oh also I forgot to tell you on the plastic landing gear parts wherever I put a screw or whatever I put some gorilla super glue to where the landing gear and and like the wing struts to wherever you know those plastic parts needed to be connected I put a drop of gorilla glue and I've had nothing break

[@shanemichaels8289]

Thanks for the tips I used hot glue on mine

[@tboystoys5682]

Mine did exactly what your plane done I have a new control board coming Today I will let you know how I fair off.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I hope all goes well and that makes it work!

[@kennythemeat]

you need to take the outer hole of the rudder, otherwise it likes to jam in the maxed out position. or adjusting the servo. then it flights great. with the nearest hole you get way too much travel.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Thanks for commenting. I've moved on so this planes is in the trash bin.

[@true21cwoo]

It doesn't make sense to fall while drawing such a trajectory. I definitely think there is a problem with the servo movement or stabilization system. I was wondering when other people's KZbin videos saw the crash of an unconventional trajectory...I definitely think there's a problem with the XK A160 plane.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yes there some issues with it and the gyro is one. Some might not experience it due to how they fly keeping speed up and making gentle manoeuvres.

[@shanemichaels8289]

The stabilization system only affects the ailerons on this model. What everyone’s problem is this plane comes with the elevator setup for beginner mode The elevator goes up automatically as throttle is added in this mode. When switching to 3D mode the elevator goes up to about 15-20 degrees nose up automatically so you have to adjust the elevator control rod to get the elevator level in 3D mode (blinking light mode on controller). Because flying in beginner mode the elevator is added automatically as throttle is added when you go to power out of a stall you stall it more. So set the elevator to level in 3D (full control mode) no coordination with the rudder The battery also needs to be full forward to get the cg correct. Also the receiver antenna should be relocated to go through the grill to avoid interference from the control rods. Adding a dab of hot glue where the landing gear attaches before the first flight will save you from wrecking it on the first rough landing. Use 40-70% throttle in level flight. Very easy imports into the controller I’ve had the exact same experience with mine before I resolved these issues. I’m on my second one now and I really like it

[@Doggeslife]

Judging by how slow this plane has been flown successfully after swapping in a different radio system, I'd say the "tip-stall" theory is no longer a viable cause. Definitely a radio issue. Example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6quiGptpbaqosU I still think it is caused by mounting the gyro-fitted radio so far aft in the plane's tail cone and not near the C/G and center of rotation. NOBODY does that, but Xk did so they could add a detailed cockpit right where the receiver should be. Both of my A160s have Spektrum radios in them now.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

If there's one guy to get this one to fly good it's you!

[@Doggeslife]

@@SunriseRCAviator Thank you. I try. ;-) Happy flying!

[@CharlietheCat-g7v]

I have been doing research on this plane because I kinda of want to get it and the The reason why it crashed is because there’s two holes on the elevator and when you put it in the second hole it will crash when you use the rudder and the elevator. You need to put the elevator wire in the first hole then you can use the rudder and the elevator

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I would stay away from the A160 as it's a poorly designed RC plane. It might look nice but it isn't. There are so many other really good alternatives so no reason to go for the A160.

[@CharlietheCat-g7v]

Alright do you have any good RC planes under two hundred dollars that you suggest that are rtr

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@CharlietheCat-g7v I would look at the Eachine mini warbirds. Fantastic small and fun ones!

[@CharlietheCat-g7v]

The plane is a little small for my Likening but I think I might go with it because it is pretty fast for a plane that small is it brushless

[@jordancoleman2402]

This is my favorite ultra micro!!!!! If you put even a tiny bit of thought and effort into setting it up it will out fly the UMX airplanes from E-flight!!! Sorry you couldn't figure adjusting the the rudder and elevator linkage

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I'm happy to hear you are enjoying yours but as documented by many others there's a problem with the flight controller and this is something I've never experienced on any other plane out of hundreds. To me it is a poorly designed plane in many aspects but as I said it's good to hear at least some like theirs!

[@RB-qg1qx]

I have one that I managed to fly once, exactly same issues as you had...

[@SunriseRCAviator]

It is a poor plane so it is in the trash bin now.

[@antoniomadronal8647]

He visto varios vídeos de este problema a mi avión le pasa lo mismo incluso con tx , con muy poco movimiento del control el receptor gira al máximo rápidamente de lado a lado sin parar en el centro, (sin control ninguno) la solución es cambiar el receptor por otro modelo, tengo tres receptores del A 160 J3 y a todos le pasa igual, fallo de fabricación

[@felipe.silva.sanches]

Como solucionaste el problema?

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@felipe.silva.sanches Don't buy it! Problem solved!!! 😜😁

[@antoniomadronal8647]

@@felipe.silva.sanches le puse receptor de echaine P51D con convertidor de frecuencia

[@sergei_tkachenko]

Yep, this RC plane will tip stall.... I can confirm a rudder stuck situation. Also this plane is under-powered and a tail heavy. I decided to change the existing receiver to Spektrum compatible, along with new ESC and new motor.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yes lots of issues with this plane. There are so much better Cubs to go for.

[@crotaflyingsolo4759]

It's a problem with the fight controller/gyro intermittently locking the rudder to the left, don't use the stabilizer should be flyable. I have had mine a few weeks crashed it almost every time and making some changes and it should be good next time out! PS FLY over grass it survives that much better! You've broken more things than anybody!!

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I moved on to better planes a long time ago but I hope you get yours to fly good.

[@aussisydney]

There are 2 types of settings.. auto gyro and advance.. try it on auto which is the button at the front on the right. Get used to the plane than go advance when u know how to fly

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Gyro does not help when the flight controller have a faulty behaviour and especially on a poorly designed plane like this one.

[@EddieVichta]

It is flying perfectly without crappy controler. No tipstall. Clearly bad controler.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

All the XK TX are poor.

[@kevinfarley6981]

Thank you for your honest review of this beautiful but flawed plane. Subscribed.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Thanks!

[@adammccarthy2157]

Mine flies great but like any plane you have to know it’s vices and fly accordingly

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Great to hear you are enjoying it!

[@mayi420uplease]

Check out Eachine! They have a bunch of different models and they are fly very well. I have the P-51, F-22, and F-16. Probably the easiest planes you will ever fly

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I know! I really like the P51, Corsair and T28 mini warbirds.

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

OK Sven. 😜 Watch this for a bench demo of the real root cause of the "auto crash!" XK A160-J3 Skylark 4CH 650mm EPP RTF RC Airplane from Banggood - Part 4: Serious Control Issue - KZbin Not a great fan of his videos but he deserves kudos for this 1!

[@SunriseRCAviator]

That video just confirms my conclusion that it's some funny business going on with the flight controller. Overall I think there are more issues with this plane and in general with WLToys RC planes so I stay clear of them now. For something really nice flying I recommend the Eachine mini warbirds instead. They have zero issues and are also cheaper!

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@SunriseRCAviator Can't argue with that! Us Old Farts have a truckload of them between us all. Great fun having Dogfights at the Sunday sessions. Exceptions are the F22 (and maybe the new F16 - don't have 1 of them) which have some flight controller glitches. Maybe best to leave that 1 in the shop! ;-)

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

Yep; +1 on all this. Lots of "experts" putting up their "cures" for this lemon. I wouldn't waste too much time on most of them. ;-) The exception would be Doggeslife - if he can't figure out a use for this turkey no one can! I've started going through all your videos. (Wet season has struck here.) I'm sure we'll have different points of view on some things but it's nice to find reasoned videos in clearly annunciated English. And from a Furriner too! ;-) :D Best of luck for a better 2021.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yeah I quickly gave up this plane as I realized it's seriously flawed.

[@shanemichaels8289]

Have you tried shortening the throws on the rudder and adding weight to the nose to balance the cg? I just did the mod and got it balanced. Hopefully all goes well on my next flight

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@shanemichaels8289 It's in the trash so no more fiddling with that one.

[@Doggeslife]

@@SunriseRCAviator It's actually a fine airplane on it's own. Just a messed-up stabilization system. Instead of trashing it, swap in a more reliable radio system. I have 2 that I am doing this to from the start, and GroundControlRC did so with a non-gyro receiver and enjoys the plane now. I have not proved it, but I feel the problem is in the rearmost mounting location of the receiver . RX's with gyros must be mounted near the center or gravity (C/G) and the center of lift and rotation to detect motion correctly and produce the correct control surface motions. When I saw the RX in the tail section I was floored and immediately suspected this was the source of the problem. Who made that decision? These gyros detect rotation around the axis's as well as linear motion vertically and laterally (called "6G" by some). With the gyro sensor so far back from the center of mass the sensor is also experiencing vertical motion with pitch changes and lateral motion with yaw. It appears to me that they made this compromise so that it could have a uncluttered cabin for detail, but as you see it may have been a bad choice. The control algorithms are being confused by the extra motion inputs. I suggest you un-trash the plane and use it as a test mule to try solutions. Moving the receiver to the cabin floor area would be my first suggestion. I bet it solves the gyro-glitch issue This is where I am putting my receivers (I fly DSMX protocol). If I can acquire a crashed and beat A160 that is still flight worthy then I will try the RX relocation solution myself. It's still theory at this point, and I don't want to attempt the experiment with a plane still in near-new condition, just-in-case. Hence the need for a rough example. The theory makes sense though. Every other gyro-fitted bird I have flown or just witnessed has the gyro sensor near the G/C and center of rotation. Love your videos. Happy flying!

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@Doggeslife You are definitely very good at modifying RC planes and I have to admit I could have tried to modify mine but I have so many planes at hand that I just didn't have the time or energy to do it. It is a nice looking J3 Skylark and I really hope for WLToys to make an update version which I would try for sure. Thanks for your support and ideas!

[@bagheerasadventures]

Pilot error, tip stall, you could have fixed this with smaller rudder throws.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Spiral of death is well known for this plane. Poor plane and to heavy.

[@angelvalle6515]

I shortened the rudder shaved the battery port and ran the antenna out of the plane, no such issues to report shes a good plane in my book.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

But you shouldn't have to do these things to make it good. A much better option is the Arrows J3 Cub and also a better looking plane. It flies good without any mods.

[@angelvalle6515]

@@SunriseRCAviator rc ING was always about tinkering in my day guess I'm just use to it

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@angelvalle6515 If it's PNP/ARF yes but RTF should work right out of the box don't you think? Especially as they are aimed to a beginner with little knowledge.

[@SuperUmzy]

Bloody hate that xk .. same things happened to me with my xk 430 ..and you right it is rubbish xk

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yes there are so many great planes to pick from so this one is not worth it

[@bigg9042]

You can only fly it on the last throw

[@SunriseRCAviator]

There are issues with the flight controller so to lessen throw on the rudder helps a bit but this is still a poor RC plane to me and there are so many good ones so no need to deal with less planes.

[@jeffgillespie6853]

I have been flying this plane for quite awhile now. Your main problem i see you are over throwing the controls and trying to fly in area way to small.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

I certainly do push all the RC planes I fly to find out where the limit is. The thing is I never seen a video with this plane flying good without looking like it's going to drop out of the sky all the time when speed is dropped.

[@dannykimzey39]

How can you blame the plane when it is user error? And if you are blaming the rudder gets stuck then I still think it's the users responsibility to check everything to make sure it works correctly before flying. Way to give people a messed up opinion about this plane and the company

[@SunriseRCAviator]

This plane is marketed to be easy to fly in an RTF package. Clearly the intended buyer is a beginner and with that in mind this plane is a total failure to me. As any plane offered to a beginner it should have a low wing load but the A160 have a very high wing load making it difficult to fly slow. Any beginner needs a good handling plane when it comes to flying slow. Then there's the faulty flight controller that with to rapid input on the rudder locks the rudder in extended position resulting in most often a crash. You don't know how the flight controller will influence flying prior to flying it. You can guess at best. Then there's the durability and a beginners RC plane should be durable and survive better at least than when crashing the A160. The landing gear assembly and wing struts takes one look and you know they will brake more or less the first time you have a rough landing. Just look at the Eachine mini warbirds that get it right in all of the above examples and it's clear the A160 is a badly designed plane and especially so for a beginner. Even more experienced pilots have crashed theirs so the bad flying capabilities is something of the plane more than the pilot. I have flown more than a hundred different planes ranging from beginner planes to advanced planes and this plane is in my experience in the bottom of all planes. I only share my experiences with the planes I purchase so if this plane works for you great. To me it's just rubbish and should be avoided when there are so many other much better planes to choose from.

[@steamlegend1909]

Do you know this plane have the 3d mode , it will turn off all the gyro system just press down 1 of the controller stick and it will fly as a nomal rc plane with no gyro .I think your problem is you don't read the instruction manual . I have the exact plane of yours and it fly well .

[@SunriseRCAviator]

There are more than one problem with this plane and I don't have it anymore. The overall construction, flight controller and rather high wing load which is documented by others as well. And there are much better planes to choose.

[@TODRON]

Pésimo lugar para volar un avión, leyes de la física , entra en barrena no puede tener sustentación, estás volando un avión como si fuese un helicóptero ...

[@Murcx0]

Skill Issue

[@dallshaw9403]

It's too damn tiny airplanes that size just don't do well there's no stability get a bigger plane

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Yes a bigger plane like my Clipped Wing Cub is the way to go.

[@kelvinbloomfield1375]

nothing to do with the size of the plane its about the giro stabilization /all the warbirds fly great .i.e the p51 . the corsair etc

[@kelvinbloomfield1375]

bad luck

[@SunriseRCAviator]

All things considered it's a poorly designed RC plane and a toy not hobby grade.

[@kelvinbloomfield1375]

@@SunriseRCAviator pilot error great plane .just not right for you

[@protiterorustatu1104]

Vy jste dal do křídel tohoto malého letadélka kovové šrouby? To je, jako byste si dal k sobě do skutečného letadla olověný pytel! Letadlo i pomalu létá dost rychle a spíš by potřebovalo odlehčit každý gram hmotnosti - jestli tam někde jsou kovové originální šrouby, tak bych tam dal plastové nylonové. Vymyslel bych, kde se dá něco odříznout, aby se ušetřilo na hmotnosti. Výchylky na tak malé letadlo mi připadají obrovské. Těžiště by chtělo asi alespoň malinko dopředu - proto ta vývrtka. Letiště jste si zřejmě ke svým pilotním schopnostem zvolil dost nevhodné, je to přímo špatná volba: málo prostoru, startujete tak tak přes nějaký keř, kolem jsou blízko stromy. Žádný Biggles asi nebudete. To víte, letecké konstrukce jsou tenké, není to lokomotiva. Je normální že se to zlomilo, když jste s tím tolik praštil. Divím se, že letadlo ve vašich rukách ještě tak dost dobře přežilo. Banggood vám asi radit nebude. Ale zase jste zjistil, jak dostat letadlo směrovkou spolehlivě do vývrtky. Když budete tak razantně tahal rukou za směrovku, můžete zničit jemnou plastovou převodovku serva. Raději než vyhodit to dejte někomu, kdo má pro to cit, opraví si to a bude létat. Reportáže umíte dělat velmi sugestivně, smutné, to vám jde.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

The metal parts does little to influence how it flies and regardless there are so many other planes that flies vastly better and are better built so I'd stay clear of this plane. In all RC planes I've tried this one ranks in the bottom along with the XK A450. If you want something small and really good look at the Eachine min warbirs. They are great!

[@protiterorustatu1104]

@@SunriseRCAviator Metal parts have a big impact on such a small model - every gram makes a difference. They increase the weight, speed and fall - crash characteristics of the aircraft. Even when I saw the huge, relatively heavy servos in the wings, I could see how it would fly. Nice little thing, but not for beginners at all. They wanted to make something small that was also attractive for transport and material savings, and this is how it turned out. The struts have a big effect on air resistance. Fly something bigger and lighter (area load) in still winds on a large flat area with no obstructions or anything to distract your attention. Good luck!

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@protiterorustatu1104 The metal parts I put in had no real weight difference and it's a well documented problem with the flight controller that is the cause of most problems. Not to mention this plane is just to heavy for what it is and parts are of poor quality. The struts are in fact very poor as is the landing gear assembly. So I can't see why anybody would purchase this plane when there are so many other good planes to choose from. If you are happy with yours that's great but I have higher expectations on an RC plane.

[@protiterorustatu1104]

@@SunriseRCAviator Hello, I don't want to argue with you. Just please explain to me: when you switch on the model on battery power, is the model absolutely still (even afterwards)? I'm concerned about the correct calibration of the electronic stabilizer. I noticed on youtube more of these spins or spirals, they were very unexpected. If maybe the problem is this. In any case - the plane was made by Chinese friends to be liked and thus sold, at the expense of flight characteristics.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

@@protiterorustatu1104 As the battery hatch is underneath once the hatch is closed the model can be put level and still. But this takes a few seconds and on all other gyro stabilizes planes I've tried it doesn't matter if you put it level and still right away or wait until you've closed the hatch/battery door. There are other youtubers that also concluded the malfunction of the flight controller when giving full rudder inputs so it appears this is a built in fault. Maybe they have done something to improve upon this but I seriously doubt it as this is a toy plane compared to hobby grade planes with better and replaceable parts. I guess as long as you keep up speed and more or less don't use the rudder this fault might never show. I don't have the plane anymore but I did consider to give it a seconds try and get another one but I concluded there are so many other much better RC planes to look at so I decided not to. It's sad that this great looking plane doesn't work as good as it looks and I bet many others have experienced similar results and regretted their purchase. I've also seen others rip out the electronics and putting a better receiver inside so with some tinkering it can probably work in a good way.

[@eduardocolin7903]

Para principiantes se debe activar la asistencia de vuelo para que el propio avion no permita los errores que comenta, me parece publicidad negativa de un competidor deshonesto.

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Flight controller and high wing loading is a poor implementation on this plane. Arrows J3 Cub is a much better model.

[@mondopiccolo3399]

Cambia hobby

[@afleser]

Set it properly (horns in the outer hole), stop crashing it and stop blaming the plane

[@SunriseRCAviator]

Have you tried one? It is really a poorly constructed RC airplane and I did consider to take another look at it but it's not worth it as there are so many other ones that are vastly better.

[@angelvalle6515]

Difficultly putting it together? Lol took 5 mins stop it.

[@carlossalas7945]

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