Production of rare metals used in green energies causes environmental disasters

[@mikerock8177]

Everything in modern life has has rare earth metals not just green energy

[@TedApelt]

COP is about everyone agreeing to do what everyone understands no one will ever do.

[@globalwarming382]

Is it worst than fossil fuel and franking and coal?

[@spectrumofreality]

There's no such thing as fossil fuel, this is a manufactured misnomer to falsely facilitate the notion of scarcity. Hydrocarbons are what they are and they are omnipresent and renewable. CO2 is also not a greenhouse gas. It has a greater mass and specific gravity than both nitrogen and oxygen and therefore the insignificant amount in our atmosphere (.04%) sinks and accumulates on or near the ground where of course the plant life resides that requires it for homeostasis. It's also non toxic and we could easily have ten times as much without an issue...

[@joulesbeef]

not even close.. and lol at the heartland bot below trying to convince you that oil is renewable.. sure over millions of years. lol and yeah co2 is a tiny portion of our atomsphere.. so no effect right? I guess the guy with his own spectrum of reality wouldnt mind eating cyanide after all the percent of his total body mass will be even smaller than percent of co2 in our atmosphere therefore according to his own logic, he will be fine

[@klokangeorge4005]

​@@spectrumofrealitybut pollution Is THE big Problem to solution. No more PV, ONLY public traffic. Plastic And artificial minimalize,As possible! Use our foot, use Animals again= solution. I see no good result in CARS production ....IT could be STOPPED.

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

@@klokangeorge4005 sure, the return to an amish-like lifestyle is your solution

[@ghettrsc8764]

we need a mathematician in the house❗️

[@stijn2644]

Build these mines in the EU or US where strict environmental regulations prohibit such practices, or mandate a cirtificate for place of origin for all battery's produced.

[@ronobrien7187]

Norway is a wealthy nation due in part to its production of natural gas and petroleum.

[@davidanalyst671]

norway is a very wealthy nation compared to other nations

[@keno77]

Thanks for the informative video, it's a pity that only a tiny fraction of people will ever see it.

[@davidanalyst671]

its a pity you believe this bullshtt

[@gregorymcleod]

Current energy needs carbon mined. The biggest lie in EV's is they are better or worse for the enviroment. If you look at how many old ICU cars 20-40 years old. But the batteries in all current modern EV's is going to see a 3 to 4 new vehicles for each old ICE so the emisisons that A ICE engine is problem but the throw away of all the other body and components in EV's due to the Battery life cycle is moving the waste and pollution.

[@beyondfossil]

All of this is far far less damaging than burning 100-million barrels of oil for energy every day. The fossil fuel industry requires a massive 24x7x365 operation to explore, drill, refine all that crude oil before a single drop of highly refined gasoline/diesel is burnt for energy. Gasoline & diesel do not appear magically at the gas pump ready for use and its production chain uses a huge amount of energy and produces a significant amount of environmental harm on an ongoing basis. Every day, cities all around the globe are clogged with internal combustion engine (ICE) emissions. Gasoline and diesel vehicles spew their toxic and carcinogenic emissions right in our faces in the places where we live, work, and play. There are cancerous emissions like benzene, toluene, xylene (BTX) but BTX is absolutely required to increase gasoline octane and reduce engine knock. In order to get any useable of power out of gasoline, you need a high enough octane level. Then there's NOₓ, SOₓ, and carbon monoxide right known to cause respiratory irritation and diseases. That's even with a catalytic converter installed.

[@louistan7560]

Enough BS. Attempt to tweak global weather is Quixotic. In any case, the American fad has died. ESG departments are being shut down in most companies.

[@off-gridsurvivalmike8120]

I think the wording is misleading. In that the situation is called a problem instead of a challenge. When saying this or that will not eliminate the problem to me it is obvious you mean will not eliminate human activity or humans in general. In other words you are saying people are the problem and that is a negative approach. Everything is a challenge or a hurtle to be conquered. Not a problem.

[@jorgenascimento9710]

Petroleum is here to Stay. No petroleum no wind mills, no solar panels.

[@valoriethechemist]

No, it's not. This is an exhaustible resource for the most part. Meaning we have about a decade before oil production can't keep up (without devastating what's left of the environment; and even then it's under a century; we are squandering one of the most significant natural resources we've ever discovered and our first instincts has been to literally light it on fire and burn it into our atmosphere at astounding rates) and that means our economics will then collapse around such a resource. Meaning the cost of oil and oil based technology will increase. Rapidly, without remorse. Our current economic model and choosing to continue it leads to collapse. Meaning we literally have no viable energy source without shackling ourselves to corporations as wage slaves and begging for enough energy. Which is exactly how corporate and government interests want it to be. Stay? No. Nothing stays. We change, we adapt, we learn to be more efficient or perish to a controllable level that in our current world means wage slavery.

[@davidanalyst671]

petroleum will be used for forever, but I don't know about thhat windmills and no solar panels crap.

[@beyondfossil]

More details needed: The *energy* portion of petroleum will disappear within 100-years. But the petrochemical use of petroleum for plastics and lubrications will stay for longer. But petrochemical (plastics, lubrications, cosmetics, etc) use is a tiny tiny fraction of the 100-million barrels of oil burned up into the atmosphere every day for energy. You could pave a plastic highway across N. America with a few days' worth of those barrels. Without the energy portion of petroleum, the fossil fuel industry will be just a shell of its former self. Even so, plastics are becoming an increasing source of environmental and biological problems. It will be replaced with bioplastics eventually especially for food wrapping.

[@valoriethechemist]

@ While this is true... even 90% reduced oil production or less would have significant impacts on everything from the availability of such resources, the costs of obtaining them and their uses and disposal and still exacerbate unfavorable environmental conditions. It's less that we need to think about how a collapsing industry may endure, and more about the technologies we want to preserve. Modern Medicine and medical technology is inseparable from the use of energy and plastic. I would assume that we'd all want such services and emergency protections to endure. And if it were framed in the light of we get to choose healthcare and advancement in medicine or have to use biodegradable straws I think the choice becomes more understandable. And there's a lot more choices in each industry and sector as you mention. Leaving those decisions up to corporations and marketing is exactly how we got into this mess in the first place. It will never be the solution. Freedom of choice with more accurate choices being presented is one of our only ways out of this nightmare without some rather sad outcomes.

[@valoriethechemist]

@ forever is a far, far, far longer time than petroleum use can endure. It requires millions of years and the correct conditions to produce and extract. It may be possible to extend our use of it by using its fractions more efficiently but it will not be replenished at a rate that allows us to continue anything close to beyond a few decades. And there's collapse thereof WILL mean our use of oil ends. In part, and in scale at minimum. That's not negotiable. That's what they're planning. Exhaust the resource to make it more valuable as the hordes we have will then be worth more so we can control the populations through economics.

[@cristianojasper3539]

They relocated the dirt side of everything since forever. There is nothing new or suprinsing.

[@farrellware8399]

Always a problem. Sometimes you have to pick . I suppose coal oil lamps, and horses would be awful. For sure, we wouldn't be shooting rockets , for zero benefit. Or flying planes, or , ???? I think you get my thoughts. Mostly the elec cars are currently zero.

[@gamingbigfilipp]

nah adding greta on your vid is wild.

[@lucystrauss2989]

The electric car is far worse. I don’t know why people don’t know this.

[@davidanalyst671]

Global warming is a lie. Lets start with that. Al Weatherman Gore predicted florida would be gone, no ice on the poles, and we would stop getting snow in the united states. None of what Al Gore predicted happened, even in 25 years, what he predicted would happen in 10. Did you ever ask yourself. What does al gore stand to win from scaring your crazy? Well, today he rides around in a private plane, earning millions of dollars for speeches to scare everyone.

[@tonidimitrova6078]

The free parking and VAT exemption for EVs is just a carrot for the people to get the newest toy. Same with the solar panels, same with all the new things we get rewards for getting.

[@DIPSET-DORKBODY]

So are you d-blocking the DW thumbnail or Is DW docs stealing the wocomo thumbnail vibe. GET YOUR OWN

[@davidanalyst671]

DW is nothing but global warming nonsense in all their documentaries.

[@beyondfossil]

None of these problems are insurmountable compared to the dwindling supplies of toxic fossil fuel drilling, refining and use. Like all technologies, renewables will be made through improved production and recycling. Fossil fuel energy cannot be recycled as it produces high entropy gas emissions. Renewables provide a "circular economy" while fossil fuels are limited to a "linear" one-way economy. Furthermore, if renewables do not work, humanity's future will be limited to about another 200 years with a slow death. That would be a shame as human civilization goes back some 5000 years, and longer if we include our hunter/gatherer days. The sun provides us with a constant cosmic-sized 173,000-terawatts of *fusion* power non-stop. Or about 1000W per square meter peak on the ground and its always peak somewhere. At 99.9% the mass of the solar system, the Earth is just a tiny crumb next to a large watermelon, especially considering the remaining 0.1% mass is mostly Jupiter and Saturn. All the combined fossils there are and ever was and ever will be, would amount to a bucket in an ocean of water compared to the sun. A bucket! There is no source of power even remotely close to us within over 4-light years from here.

[@martinmlynarik5661]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@MikhaelHausgeist]

Just wonder... Why not use as fuel alcohol? And before You answer... First internal combustion engines used alcohol and it can be maken in ridiculous quantities from ANY organic wastes.

[@valoriethechemist]

Burning alcohols instead of gasoline isn't much different. Ethanol is already used widely and is literally used in gasoline already. We may be told these things are "cleaner" and from a chemical equivalence standard... sure... to an environmental impact? You can't solve the problem with the problem... you simply may have scaled that problem... slightly... maybe... you hope.

[@tonidimitrova6078]

And how much does it cost to produce that alcohol? We grow corn for ethanol, and by the time it turns into ethanol it absorbs a lot of energy... The amount of organic waste that can be turned into alcohol is tiny compared to our energy needs

[@valoriethechemist]

@ even thinking about it like that doesn't work... we're already using it... it creates emissions... it's like saying we can put a fire out by throwing even more fire on the fire... it's absurdity.

[@zanzillahsaruji9966]

Sarawak East Malaysia in the Island of Borneo is becoming a battery of renewal energy hub in South East Asia....

[@linmal2242]

Just .... TOO MANY PEOPLE......... all wanting Western lifestyle and able now to get it ! At the cost of the planet, until we colonise Mars . But even that will take a huge amount of Earth resources !

[@aryaman05]

It's creature comfort and modern living conveniences, made possible by technology - guided by science, little to do with so-called western lifestyle per se.

[@glynnec2008]

Too many people? What are you smoking? Without humans, the Earth is just another rock floating in space. The universe has trillions of those already.

[@richardv9648]

What a sad situation for European business men.

[@matthewFJB]

I been saying that mining these materials are going to do so much harm to the earth.. And like most things you won't find out until it's to late

[@wess7698]

How much are you getting from the oil industry

[@glynnec2008]

They've provided fuel for my cars, week after week, year after year, decade after decade. That's enough for me.

[@mikerock8177]

We are the worst ants in the world

[@jasonsccheung3831]

Apart from what's said of the program...The weight ratio of EV is 1.9/1 heavier than ICE vehicle average. They damage the road much more, one factor never mentioned. EV are good, but the technology is not there yet, to force them to people in such a short time by law is simply ludicrous. Yet it actually happened and becomes trendy, anyone who question the topic are labeled selfish, heartless, right-wing... Any sane person couldn't make it up.

[@glynnec2008]

The problem with government subsidies is that they 'lock in' the current level technology and remove the incentive to improve it (since corporations are guaranteed those government subsidies without spending/wasting money on R&D).

[@vytautaskrasnickasonenuoty9369]

Just the best thing would be not use anything, just get to more down to Earth living by growing everything by ourselfes and not to live in this system of consuming

[@klokangeorge4005]

PV as an product,i IS thé MAIN FALSUM. +Personál vehicle

[@jorgenascimento9710]

Less pollution 😂😂. More cooper. Lithium, cobalt, magnetic minerals... should i stop?

[@cristianojasper3539]

Degrow, the new necessary religion.

[@shakirghazali2890]

Islam can solve earth issue

[@valoriethechemist]

@@shakirghazali2890 The abrahamic religions (regardless of intention or interpretation at this point) are one of the primary backseat drivers to climate change. You can't solve the problem with more of the problem.

[@downundermtb4744]

I hope none of my money is invested in these scams.

[@fabricioavil]

13:49, 24th century?

[@DeniSaputta]

Excuse me but rare earth is not only for green energy. But all Electronic goods .

[@DeniSaputta]

Excuse me but rare earth is not only for green energy. But all Electronic goods .

[@linmal2242]

@@DeniSaputta Nonsense

[@valoriethechemist]

And the mining we need to produce stuff would decimate what's left of our environments.

[@DeniSaputta]

@@valoriethechemist How many seas are polluted just to Mine oil offshore .🤣

[@NazmulHaque-o2v]

Thanks for uploading the video🌐🤳

[@DeniSaputta]

30% of the world's cobalt is used to make diesel. 40% is used to make batteries and is mined by children in the Congo.

[@supahfly_uk]

Electric cars are so dumb, imagine your fuel tank degrading and getting smaller each time you use it. Ridiculous.

[@charleswillcock3235]

The performance of Ice vehicles drops over time. Do you have a car?

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

@@charleswillcock3235 not so much and not so fast and is quite cheap to rebuild an engine vs changing a battery and not polluting. An ice engine only needs a few piston rings and gaskets, timing chains/belts

[@DeniSaputta]

Electricity is cheaper than oil. And more efficient. And BEV car have less maintenance.

[@DeniSaputta]

​@@orionbetelgeuse1937 ICE engine performance also decreases due to age factors.

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

@@DeniSaputta electricity as it is out of the solar panels might be cheaper yet the grid storage is very expensive. Without it you would have to charge the car during the day and drive it during the night. Well for vampires that would fit perfectly. It doesn't matter if the car is bev or ice, during the warrranty you still have to go to a garage for the periodic maintenance and unless you make with your hands the oil change I don't think it matters how many parts they change. The car is way more expensive than the ice and any money you spare with those oil filters you avoid you already paid them when you bought the car.

[@SuperElwira]

Golden Sachs want trading water and sale-talk with them, maybe its not do stupid idea to administer water but to control industrial water and in farming not cut water to bip farmera in Australia but money goas to quantum computer which not exist-water and metal, ground tax to make recycling more economic than

[@SKforPeace]

We are destroying ourselves into oblivion. 😢😢😢

[@glynnec2008]

Oblivion? Then why does the population keep increasing? We seem to be pretty darn successful as a species.

[@davidanalyst671]

no we arent.

[@jeroenachten8513]

This is an old docu… a lot has changed since

[@haridasification]

The human activities will cause pollution and there is no need to demonize only EVs

[@tkrdg7885]

Just try to mitigate pollution,even your breath production CO2,but I do not blame you 😂

[@simphiwelehlohonolo4961]

This is just talk shop nothing more

[@markschuette3770]

ok- so what is the solution???????????????? we have built our cities around lots of transportation!

[@cristianojasper3539]

@@markschuette3770 it is simple: finish private property houses and obligate companies to offer house close to the workplace. Boommm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@valoriethechemist]

Then start adapting them to make transportation minimal and mostly unnecessary.

[@gigigiugio5952]

the more humans the more problems. earth is a close system.

[@Ts-gc8dx]

LOL, good-for-noting westerns. Start to be so sour when you can't beat China in new energy? LOLLLLLLLLL.

[@Stevexnycautomotive]

The cooperation is upsurge

[@superskrub4209]

Motors don't need neodymium to work. Batteries don't need cobalt to work. Typical Si solar panels contain no "rare earth" elements. Lithium is not a "rare earth" element. Aluminium can (and often does) substitute for copper.

[@cristianojasper3539]

@@superskrub4209 we are denying reality but reality is going to catch us during the night. Unfortunately the nature always win and it is requesting the payment.

[@magic-eric7328]

This would not be an issue if we adopt this net zero energy system electric sector: - Non-intermittent renewables are used to generate electricity wherever they are available - Closed fuel cycle nuclear is used to generate electricity wherever non-intermittent renewables are not available Transport sector - All light vehicles are powered with betavoltaic batteries - Heavy vehicles are powered by drop-in biofuels which are co-produced with biochar from residual biomass Heating sector - Renewable natural gas and drop-in biofuels are used for heating in rural communities - District heating is used in cities - Deep geothermal is used in cities with geothermal potentials - Combined heat and biochar is used in cities that produce sufficient amounts of residual biomass via tree trimming or urban agriculture - Nuclear is used in cities that have neither of the above Industrial sector - Concentrating Solar Thermal (CST) is used to produce process heat wherever the Direct Normal Irradiation (DNI) is sufficient - Nuclear is used to produce process heat wherever the DNI is insufficient for CST Electric cars, solar panels and wind turbines garner so much support across the world because they are emotionally appeasing to the majority of the global population.

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

soo you found a solution you should avoid moulded foods because they might give you hallucinations

[@DeniSaputta]

Excuse me but rare earth is not only for green energy. But all Electronic goods .

[@magic-eric7328]

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 What is wrong with what I proposed I do not care how strong of an emotional fetish for grid scale intermittent renewables or electrification you have. I actually want climate change to be fixed and it is not my problem if you don’t. I explained my solution so you should explain yours as well.

[@magic-eric7328]

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Here is a debunk of all the anti-nuclear arguments if you where triggered by the fact that I included nuclear enegry in my comment - Nuclear reactors can be made immune to loss of coolant accidents (AKA meltdown) with the following measures - Using coolants which cannot be boiled by the nuclear fuels decay heat - Making the reactor smaller - passive cooling - Spent nuclear fuel can (and should) be recycled vis nuclear reprocessing - The MOX fuel can be re-used in existing reactors or fast breeder reactors - The fission products can (and should) be used as radiation sources in betavoltaic batteries - Proliferation is a completly nonsensical argument - The plutonium that is separated from spent nuclear fuel during nuclear reprocessing is made into the MOX fuel that the processes is intended to produce Anti-nuclear-ism is an ideology which belongs in the dustbin of history like facism or communism.

[@magic-eric7328]

@@DeniSaputta Yes you are correct FYI: this video is about rare earths for green technologies.

[@williammaldonado6132]

I'm watching something related to this on my t.V 😢