Woke Doctors Gave Me FACIAL HAIR & Low Voice Forever - DeTrans Keira Bell (4K) | heretics. 98

[@andrewgoldheretics]

*IMPORTANT CORRECTION*: The trailer incorrectly implies that Keira is suggesting puberty blockers gave her a low voice and facial hair. This was actually the cross-sex hormones. She does believe however that puberty blockers are also not reversible. I apologise to Keira (who is so lovely and hasn't said anything to me) for this misunderstanding. Join 18k+ heretics on my mailing list: andrewgoldheretics.com. Here are your timestamps: 0:00 Keira Bell Highlights 0:45 Keira Bell’s Upbringing 3:25 Is this Reversible? 4:45 Feeling She Was A Boy 6:35 The Doctors 8:35 No One Warned Keira 9:45 Puberty Blockers Disaster 11:45 Cross-Sex Hormones 14:45 Binder & Beard 16:45 Mastectomy - Boys Don’t Cry 18:15 The ‘Sick’ Trans Influencers 20:15 The Trans Influencers Who Call Out Keira Bell 22:15 Why the Ideology is ‘Disgusting’ 24:30 Placebo & Social Contagion 26:35 Why More People Are Trans Now 27:45 What Happened to Keira as a Kid 30:45 Keira’s Parents & Internalised Homophobia 35:30 Suing the Tavistock Gender Clinic 37:15 High Court Victory & Shocking Appeal 40:15 Gay Community Aren’t Aware 43:45 Detransitioning 45:45 Self-ID 48:45 Telling the Clinic Her Regrets 53:35 Bottom Surgery & Leg Lengthening 55:00 Phalloplasty & Changing Rooms 59:05 Macron’s Wife, Serena Williams & Imane Khelif 1:02:15 Elon Musk’s Trans Son’s ‘Death’ 1:03:45 David Tennant & Jamie-Lee Curtis 1:07:25 A Heretic Keira Bell Admires

[@MalachiteViking]

you know there is no-one talking about how Innocent Children are being stolen from families, by a system so bent no parent has ever won in its face.. but never mind.

[@joshuataylor3550]

I'm starting to think you might be trans curious Andy?

[@joshuataylor3550]

So if homophobia causes transition then it's reasonable to assume that transphobia causes detransition?

[@joshuataylor3550]

Graham Hancock is a lunatic.

[@JackyHeijmans]

Andrew, if you want more to worry about, find MODTRICCA. It is beyond words what is happening in this world now..

[@radicalcartoons2766]

Make Tomboys Great Again. ❤

[@usagi_t]

Sure, but a trumper/MAGA undertone won't do it. Unless you want even less female rights.

[@lena-Ramone]

🎯😊❤️

[@JimiBegbaaji]

Love it! I enjoyed being a tomboy! The good ol' 70s.

[@brianas5624]

YES! As a 42 year old tomboy, just be you and hang out with the dudes. You dont have to be a guy, just dont be crazy and they will accept you. If you dont hang with the boys as a fun tomboy, you are so missing out.

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

Its kinda terrifying to think about. I am bought to you by cat fluff, dustbin and Vans. My friends are all blokes....nowadays I'd be transed out. I'm perfectly happy with being a woman - and part of "Sex Matters" because we have the right to say NO with no explanation needed - and have always been a trans ally. Until now. I don't care how people present; wear yer frock n shut yer gob but these tosspots are fixing gender norms, not subverting them. This is one brave lady with great insight. Its diabolical that she wasn't allowed to just grow up and be.

[@SLIONS-go9wq]

Being a heterosexual teen girl in the 90s, I was nervous about the world, anxious, confused about my body, and unsettled by sexual attention...and as a result I had a shaved head, wore combat boots, unnattractive clothes, wallet chains, and spiked bracelets. That superficial tough armor got me to my 20s when my head stopped spinning and I got grounded. If I was presented with the idea that I could turn into a "boy"...I probably would have been all over it. This "option" just simply absolutely should not exist. The rage I feel for these young women and men...it just makes me gag.

[@tossr4716]

All fashion designers, producers, financiers and magazines are in on the deceit. All famous women are really men in women-disguise, in dragg.

[@johnking6067]

you sound exactly like a girl I used to go home with on Saturday nights in the 90's, you're not from Glasgow are you 😉

[@cartergomez5390]

I'm the complete opposite. I wish my mom would've transitioned me but I was supposed to go through what I went to so that I can teach younger transkids and let them know that they are supposed to go through childhood. It's a learning experience. So if any kids are thinking about transitioning, don't. Just go to therapy until the age of 25 and then ask yourself if you want to transition.

[@rongike]

@@cartergomez5390 it's not a thing. you're still living in denial of reality.

[@kayetaylor5551]

You said this perfect....😢😢😢

[@loopylou6841]

I can’t think of anything much more evil than telling CHILD or vulnerable adult that they are born in the wrong body

[@lena-Ramone]

Exactly. Spot on. It is evil

[@Nous520]

Precisely. I think it’s abusive. Imagine telling a child that everything they think is wrong with them IS wrong.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Exactly. I'm not a fan of religions in general. But sex-independent "gender" is very clearly the WORST, most harmful, most authoritrian religion. Even Islam, the main rival for the "worst religion" prize (and still a TERRIBLE ideology), isn't built in a foundational belief in mutilating healthy bodies, and doesn't go AS far as transgenderism, in demanding control of the speech of non-believers, and re-defining basic, everyday language, in the name of evidence-free, faith-based religious beliefs.

[@7beers]

Isn't it comparable to telling a kid they're adopted.

[@Adulthumanfemale84]

Especially when “born in the wrong body,” is absolutely mental and doesn’t even mean anything… it’s literally impossible… that in itself should be a deterrent!

[@CMR308]

As a woman who went through a horrible menopause for about 8 years starting when I was 42 year old I have to say that if Ihad gone through that as a confused teenager I probably wouldn't be here now. I cannot express how horific this is. It is pure madness. Such a strong young woman 🙏

[@Joanna7428]

I empathise with you here, I was 44 when I started menopause symptoms and have to agree with you it's not a picnic at all, the mood swings the anxiety are horrendous so god knows how an adolescent already in a vulnerable place could cope with this on top, not to mention the physical implications of a premature menopause. It should be illegal, I firmly believe this, these young people are being sold a fantasy that doesn't exist.

[@kpt002]

I thought the same when heard her talk about it. Like who FFS have ever gotten the idea to do this to people under 18.. I am so happy that about 4 years ago I came across few detransititioners and really listened to what they were saying. Since then I have been openly against all this madness eventhough many people around me do not like my opinions and think I am a bad person.

[@chloedemure]

I am so happy that Keira grieved what happened and is now looking forward towards happiness. She is so strong. I wish her all the best.

[@TheClazabaza]

It's been beyond strange watching the UK crackdown on FGM while simultaneously carrying out devastating genital 'surgeries' on women...

[@joannewythe1093]

I was thinking that

[@sjordan7085]

Just shows how sick it is. Not only humans have been tortured, but think of all the innocent animals that have been cruely experimented on! Totally disgusting and morally wrong.

[@notsocrates9529]

But, bad-ism is bad and can lead to bad-phobia.

[@lena-Ramone]

What is FGM ? female going male ?

[@notsocrates9529]

@@lena-Ramone Female-Genital-Mutilation

[@CrowsAreMurder]

LEAVE OUR TOM BOYS ALONE! 😢

[@twodots9403]

This comment is absurd and it’s creepy you’re claiming collective ownership here

[@Adulthumanfemale84]

@@twodots9403grow up!

[@yogun1922]

@@twodots9403???

[@wolfensden]

Not that deep 😂​@twodots9403

[@catwoman7462]

@@twodots9403 No it's not absurd, and the creepy people are those who prey on tomboys and persuade them that they're really boys.

[@user-Katie019]

They should never be allowed to give children these blockers, they cannot drink, vote, or drive until over 17 to 18yrs old safeguard children this is abuse

[@rainerp.7271]

💯 pure evil jesus loves the children the bible says so of course the old serpent wants to destroy them

[@TB.418]

Agreed

[@Ally-StaffyLover]

Exactly, watching these young people tell their stories. Heart breaking to hear 😢

[@solarydays]

to me the shocking part is the amount of parents who accept that hormone treatment could be reversible or that you can stop and delay puberty as you wish

[@ClitmasterDave1]

​@@solarydaysyou can. But you just have a tiny little pecker with loads of hair round it

[@private7668]

Women play professional football, just because a woman likes football does not mean she wants to be a man. Convincing children to take puberty blockers is child abuse.

[@krissyk9767]

Yeah such annoying stereotypes, my sister plays football (soccer), but she dresses very "feminine" and never was even what you'd consider a "tomboy." People are allowed to have different interests and these shouldn't be labelled as being only for men or women.

[@lironkufert7495]

There are very feminine women on the Olympic women football teams in many countries. That says it all

[@Hollyucinogen]

Half of the people in my country (Canada) play hockey lmao. My high school had a ski club where they would drive us to ski resorts and we would go skiing. That doesn't mean that the women in them are suddenly men.

[@kliciousone4706]

zaa😊😊

[@cr41gieboy]

Your voice is so important, Keira. Well done for speaking out against the madness.

[@ChristineMeyer-hs9rg]

I hate seeing this happen to young people when they are at their most vulnerable. It's pure evil and so heart breaking when they mature enough to understand themselves better and how they were manipulated. They all need our full support to live the best life they can.

[@rab1962]

Dear God, this is so incredibly depressing. What an amazing young woman, please God may she remain strong and go forward with her message, get further understanding that for youngsters this ideology is a form of abuse.

[@rcaraway1]

There is a reason why until recently there was a prolonged process to transitioning, it wasn’t doctors “being mean” it was being responsible.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Yeah and if you were a sex offender, going full time autogynephile was not encouraged or celebrated 🤯

[@angel794]

There is STILL a long process to transition...do some research

[@LiamNajor]

@angel794 depends on the place. I have MET people who told me it was WAY to easy. This was in California 7-10 years ago.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

@@LiamNajor they don't have a wait period anymore to determine mental stability, it just takes time for the drugs to take effect and get appointments for cosmetic procedures.

[@craftwolzip5356]

@angel794 Not what many people who have actually transitioned are saying!

[@D0B3RW0M4N]

How insidious and evil to tell people that ‘puberty blockers’ are reversible. They are not and their terrible side effects have been documented for decades

[@christopherkucia1071]

They ARENT puberty blockers either (maybe some, but I’m more familiar with the LONG studies ones such as Lupron) but they are SEX OFFENDER CASTRATION DRUGS…. THEY ARE STERILIZATION DRUGS!

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

It's crazy how many people still believe "fully safe and reversible". Literally NO DRUG is "fully safe and reversible"- But hormone blockers like Lupton are some of THE most irreversibly harmful drugs, with the most severely harmful side effects. Even before Lupton had any connection with "trans" issues,in the late 80s/90s, when it was just used as drug for full grown men, suffering prostate cancer, there was a serious campaign to ban the drug, because of its insane rates of severe side-effects, which were unjustified, even for full-grown men, with (actual, literal) LIFE-THREATENING CANCER ... ...yet now they say it's so """"safe and reversible""" to be justified for CHILDREN in 100% perfect physical health, with no evidence-based medical issues, at all.

[@tubester4567]

They lie about everything, like the "1% detrans rate" and "most trans people are happy after transition". 35% detrans within 4 years, Male to female trans are the most at risk demographic for harm and early death.

[@angel794]

Puberty blockers ARE reversible. You are mixing up the effects of puberty blockers with those of testosterone hormone therapy (for females transitioning to male) or estrogen hormone therapy (for males transitioning to female).

[@D0B3RW0M4N]

@@angel794 that is not true. ‘Blockers’ are hormones also, and they are known to cause long term side effects and reduce intelligence potential. This has been known for decades. Look up lupron

[@tahlenri]

Worked so hard to break down gender roles, but now if you defy gender roles, you're still in your shell and need to be cracked. Hate this

[@fion1flatout]

Exactly. Gender ideology is the most sexist. Misogynistic. Misandrist, mutilating, cult ... And it's turning out to be a smokes reen for p does and per s

[@blutamis7697]

This is how I feel. I put up with so much to fight for equality and no gender roles. We have gay rights. Now they want to throw it away and mutilate ppl to put them in the body there personally suits. It's nasty

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

That's what's so ridiculous. They think they're edgy and groundbreaking but they're crying about pronouns. Cause they know they've lied 🤡

[@wolfhugs2221]

So brave to speak out. These are the most important voices in this conversation - if all those who realised they'd made a mistake could speak freely without fear, the whole conversation would look entirely different.

[@rongike]

yeah most people who do this are dealing with a lot of shame to begin with and they're sold this as some cure but the shame only multiplies afterwards because it is NOT the cure.

[@wolfhugs2221]

​@@rongikegood point. Shame's a powerful, public emotion. Understanding that other people's opinions don't matter, when you're young, is impossible to grasp. It's all being done for public acceptance and could not be more wrong. These poor kids. The adults have failed them.

[@meep9803]

My niece, who is planning on transitioning, has stated that she doesn't want to be a butch lesbian. Im so scared for her mental and physical health should she really go forward with transition. Internalized homophobia is definitely trigger for this.

[@smcc6684]

As a lesbian, this breaks my heart. It may make it easier for to move through the world if she passes well, but dating will be very hard. Butch women are in high demand in the lesbian community, but transmen are absolutely not. If she thinks she is going to be able to attract straight women, she's pretty wrong about that too. I hope she comes to her senses!

[@joge2468]

This channel is an invaluable resource. This video in particular should scare the bejeezus out of her. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ7TXmOYj5alaKcsi=cvcmG7nFzzHhu7MJ

[@Noblebird02]

Please tell her that the only thing straight women like about men is their erections and wallets. If I could be attracted to other women instead of being exclusively sexually desiring men I absolutely would never look at men again. Humans are attracted to sex not gender identity or expression

[@catherinehume9193]

Hi, I wanted to be a man for 25 years. I didn’t dislike myself. I had a huge disgust at other girls and women. Being bullied at school and in the workplace by women any girls whereas men were always amazing to me, women were getting their kit off all the time to be famous but men used their brains and personality and abilities, my mother was a violent bully, my sister and I were violent to each other, I grew up around the sec industry where women were used by men and women for their bodies, my classmates got pregnant at 14 and 15, I intervened when I saw women beaten by their man in the street and the woman said she was ok and went off with the man who had just broken her nose… women disgusted me. I saw their traits and I saw men’s traits and I saw I had much more in common with men and more interests in common with men than women. Being bisexual didn’t affect my thinking at all. It was the disgust at women’s behaviour and how they hated me. I went to live in Belgium where every woman is highly educated and speaks multiple languages and they all saw me as a normal woman and there was no issue in how we related to each other. That was when I lost the gender identity disorder as we called it back then. Please tell your niece that gender is not written in stone at all. Almost all my friends have stopped cross dressing and stopped having gender dysphoria. One guy is now a father, I got married to a man who is my best friend and we laugh so much, another woman is happy as a bi woman with a boyfriend, and my friends who detransitioned medically 20+ years ago are both “normal” looking men with wives but they have auto immune conditions that are quite painful and caused by the cross sex hormones. A lot of people with gender issues have been abused. I was physically abused by my parents as were other females with gender issues. There are reasons why little girls want to be big strong men. So please do talk to your niece and let her know my story, that mine is not unique at all and the gender issues do disappear if you take yourself out of the toxic environment. It might not be toxic to other people but they are to us because our personalities are affected by things that don’t affect other people. There are other places to live and there are other options such as therapy and just changing the people we hang out with and changing the ways we think. Please speak to your niece about the issues I have raised. And yes, women will not want to date her if she continues. She will find life much more difficult if she continues. Please talk to her with all the stories you will get from other de trans etc people. 💜

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

We tried so hard from the 1970s onwards to gain acceptance in society for butch lesbians. And to improve woman's rights in general. And now men can tell women they are women, too. And butch lesbians don't even want to accept themselves, but rather decide they're men. Western society in retrograde.

[@prboddington]

What a wise, brave, and thoughtful young woman

[@pyewacket24]

Yes, exactly

[@safcdean7374]

It still amazes me everyday that this crazy shit is actually happening. How the hell did we get here? As for being abused as a child you never, ever get over it. It fucks you up for life.

[@rensha8635]

It always surprises me just how intelligent, eloquent and mature these detransitioners are. They are so likeable, brave and completely in touch with themselves and the world around them (at least now they are having been through such a harrowing experience). Keira is an important voice and she has fought back so hard. I wish her well, she seems a lovely woman, very beautiful.😊

[@lena-Ramone]

Its a full on way though to access maturity. Their are other ways to access maturity but i know what you are getting it. It seems they have a harsh wakeup call through self destructive methods and cult ideology brainwashing

[@M3l_0N666]

Well, its because after the ordeal they got wise. Before that they usually seem to lack any and all context. When your life is fked over youd get wise really fast too.

[@lena-Ramone]

@@M3l_0N666 yes a sobering experience

[@GracefulDanny]

I work with addicts and the ones who have maintained sobriety for years demonstrate the kind of self-reflection, personal responsibility and emotional maturity we often see from detransitioners. Hearing detransitioners and their surgical dismantling of gender ideology is what woke me up to this issue. The only difference between Keira and somebody like Buck Angel, Ellen Page etc is self-awareness.

[@sdrc92126]

Being "born in the wrong body" means that you exist outside of your body and therefore a spirit world exists. This is a religious belief, a religion.

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

It is a misuse of a way to describe the situation we find ourselves in to those who are not us and cannot conceptualize the experience and thats all. The queer theory/ gender ideology / TRAs have misused it for decades

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

@@non_ideological_transexual7414there is quite literally no such thing as being born in the wrong body

[@YvonneSanders-hv2gc]

cult

[@rensha8635]

A gendered soul.

[@rongike]

there's some truth to it, you can have more prominent past lives as a different gender and be remembering them or have unresolved traumas from them, but that does not change the reality of your current body and that the only healthy thing that will make you feel whole is to learn to accept it as it is.

[@kayemm1973]

Just as an aside, i think Angelina Jolie handled things pretty well by simply supporting her daughter, not reintroducing her as a boy, no medicines, just waiting for her to develop out of it as the vast majority of children would.

[@lena-Ramone]

Lots of famous people have these trans kids. David tennant is horrible with it and so is charlize theron. Angry agressive pushers of it. Weirdos. Narcissistic

[@reneep.1978]

She did it the right way, parents of these children should take notes

[@mariangrove5292]

Agreed yes. I'm glad she didn't follow the loony examples of other celebrities today.

[@GFYKTHXBYE]

Favorite phrase of the podcast: "Made a fashion out of trans..." This sums up how I feel and I haven't been able to articulate it. Love the work you do! Keep it up, please

[@JackxJewell]

You can see how she's lived twice the life most have by their mid twenties. I wish Keira all the happiness in the future 💜

[@Gone2war-q3i]

Im so pleased this wasnt my generation. I would have been put through this now. Im autistic and have adhd, so much struggle with my sexuality. 41 now took me until my 30s to be comfortable. Please wait ❤

[@cmmndrblu]

I'm 40 and my cousin got caught up in this and I feel bad for him, it was obvious he was just bi. He thought he was a girl. I never went along with it

[@janegarnham]

@@cmmndrbluyes we need more to accept bi sexually and I think androgynous is also a real thing. we all have yin yang the feminine and masculine in each of us. How can this not be when all our ancestors come from both genders.

[@onlinealiasuk]

Milo, talk to Milo he was canceled for describing his abuse in a positive way and now he has taken a very different path he would be the ultimate heretic

[@flamefox8989]

I thought doctors took an oath, 1st & foremost "Do no harm"!

[@gemmastaines5706]

The era of “do what the Dr tells you” and “Dr knows best” ended along time ago! The model of Patient Centred care took over 25yrs ago and that how we ended up where we are now! In paediatrics it’s “Family Centred Care” so that allows the patient (or the families) to dictate what is best for them etc!

[@RenegadeContext]

​@@gemmastaines5706 many of these young people are doing what the doctors tell them because the doctors are following wpath's ideological medical advice

[@TheOriginalFishPond]

They do not take an oath.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@gemmastaines5706 oh yes, back when doctors prescribed mother's thalidomide and depressed ppl lobotomies

[@pleaseenteranamelol711]

It's called the "hippocratic oath" for a REASON, y'know?

[@jennd9091]

Keira Bell is a hero speaking out as she did. I hope X million she has a happy life now. as much as she can. Bless you Keira xx

[@robertmontgomery1310]

Please leave our lesbians be lesbians. They absolutely do not need to transition

[@wakinyjantabart8622]

Thank you so much Keira for speaking out so courageously! You were one of the first detransitioner trailblazers!

[@alexmckenna1171]

Break an egg. You can't put it together again.

[@adamandsethdylantoo]

The horror of it is that transcultists use that term without realizing the truth of what you said, or rather fully believing it’s not even something you would WANT to reverse. “Crack your egg, bro, and all the male glances will go away”, when the truth is that by and large men aren’t actively seeking to harm women even if they leer.

[@M123OCT]

If people are so sure that they're born 'in the wrong body', why would they even ask if it's reversible in the first place?

[@dragonmummy1]

They probably don’t. It should be impressed upon them though.

[@reneep.1978]

To try and downplay the harm it does

[@georgiavonschlieffen8961]

What a wonderful insightful interview. It should be shown in schools.

[@BebinnAineHowe]

My heart goes out to Keira. I am glad she seems to have a healthier attitude within self. You are brave to speak out. Much happiness, love and success ❤😢

[@judy7276]

She!!

[@hannahreynolds7611]

Keira is so brave. This will be an excellent interview.

[@SpiderBears]

I was given Lupron, which is now called "puberty blockers" as an adult for Endometriosis. The side effects were so bad i can't imagine given that to children. It's distroyed my teeth, even a decade later I have crumbling teeth, and jawbones that aren't strong enough for implants In the middle of having all my top teeth removed, and some of the bottom teeth too. Puberty blockers are terrible gor everyone. The GNrH agonists will, without doubt shorten these kids lives

[@SpiderBears]

Just want to point out there were class action lawsuits in the US around the harm lupron did to adults. They won. Trans kids and GNrH are the pivot these companies made to define a new market and keep making money

[@anneloving8405]

Yep,big pharma has a big paying customer for life in every trans.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Had letrozole as an oestrogen suppressant for the type of early stage breast cancer I had. When I developed osteo denial after 3 years, the oncologist advised stopping it. I was supposed to be on it another 2 years. The oncologist said "you'll develop osteoporosis, and that's worse than the cancer risk."

[@azuropixie5703]

​@@SpiderBears betcha TRA would go "this is not lupron, this is a different puberty blocker which is provencto be harmless!!"

[@thefalseshepherd3689]

What a wonderful, smart person. A joy to hear her speak; and feel sad about what has happened to you, Keira. My best friend, when I was 6-8, was a tomboy-ish girl that loved football, and would run most of us boys around the pitch at that age. Gutted when she moved away. Very often, the adults in the room aren't that smart, just driven by their career obligations; and there are some very nasty people in the world rn, that have too much influence, too self-centred, but no heart.

[@lemon1657]

As a gay woman it's still so strange to me that being T would seem like a better or easier option than being L. I understand homophobia is still rampant but I can't imagine a long term medical path would seem better to any sound minded person. Clearly the mistakes made by these young people have proven just how unsound of mind they are. All aspects of the medical path should only be available after the frontal lobe has matured at 25. After that do as you please.

[@lena-Ramone]

The movement is deeply gay-phobic it is obviously extremely evil

[@tchocky71]

Andrew Gold, thank you very much for this compassionate, articulate, caring and intelligent interview. You are in your right place.

[@Nannie-jx2px]

I haven't heard Keira speak before. Pleased to hear her now.

[@ShelleyBean1808]

I can not imagine what these poor CHILDREN are going through! They are literally being BRAINWASHED to believe they are in the wrong body, at the MOST VULNERABLE time of their lives. It's so sad 😞

[@KellyNora-p8q]

I remember men embracing their feminine side and women enjoying having traits considered masculine. That is NORMAL. It's human.

[@seasonedbeefs]

These academics and doctors need to be served the full extent of the judiciary

[@lena-Ramone]

Judicary is ideologically captured and evil too

[@Marydunlop-y4t]

Judiciary is also very twisted unfortunately

[@kayemm1973]

I'm amazed by how well balanced she is now, I wish her all the best going forward.

[@reneep.1978]

Probably receiving real therapy now

[@TheVeryElect7]

Too heartbreaking..these Dr's need jail

[@Melody-st4df]

My own Subjective Self-evaluation Report pre-puberty would’ve definitely been that I felt like a boy. Any adult or peer would’ve validated my own beliefs supporting MY CHOICE had that been an option on the table when I was growing up. Because: I only played with boys and identified as a Tom-Boy and was always chosen within the first three children to be in the boys football team, and because I fought at lunchtime with a chosen child chosen by the other children, everyone would have agreed that I identified as a male. Then as puberty hit, I was horrified when I began to grow breasts and I hated them. I also hated that my weakness was apparent when I suffered period pains for the whole day each month. Around age 17 I embraced my femininity and flaunted my Laura Ashley dresses as well as my cut off denim shorts and skimpy vests and plenty of jewelry. After puberty I remained interested in things normally considered “masculine pursuits” and even followed into male dominated careers. Firstly I worked on farms and then as a painter and decorator for 16 years. Then I became a Semi-Truck driver for a further 30 years. However, I still continued to embrace my femininity in both these roles. To conclude I want to say that I am very grateful these options were Not available to me as a child or a young person because I would quickly have worked out that there were only four steps I needed to go through to “achieve my goal and transition” I have loved being a woman working in a man’s world.

[@mumblez7712]

I remember a cubby little lad a few years younger than me back in school. (Late 90's) Super effeminate little dude, only hung out with and was fully accepted into the girls in his year group. All the adults would quietly smile and talk about how "He'll figure it out (that he's gay) one day". Grew up into a happy and well put together young gay man. God forbid if that was today.

[@half-bakedpotato1078]

I’ve been losing my family to this. Two of my sisters have decided they’re non binary and want mastectomies/hormones. My parents are accepting it without question, assuming they just aren’t up to date with the times. I feel so alone. I’m afraid to say anything, but I’d feel awful if I didn’t try to stop them or make them think twice.

[@KellyNora-p8q]

Talk about the side effects.

[@MsChitterchat]

You absolutely must say something. Wish you well.

[@MsChitterchat]

Tell them you’ll accept their decision if they watch the whole of this interview

[@joge2468]

Educate your parents. Watch detransitioner videos with them. Show them the research on premature menopause - the increased risk of osteoporosis, early death, and dementia. Your parents need help desperately. Therapy First has a great website. Go there.

[@lena-Ramone]

Show them these detransitioner videos and no fear . You are in the right ❤

[@didjargo]

This is why I get upset at people who ignorantly say things like "they are not medically transitioning minors, stop making up problems in your head" or "puberty blockers are perfectly safe and completely reversible. There is no harm in them." This is the modern day equivalent of a lobotomy, but they are doing it to children for no good reason.

[@Nous520]

The main feature of Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a nonexistent/unstable sense of self. Which is often caused by growing up with a Narcisstic personality disordered parent (NPD) That would explain the trans “trend” in celebrity children

[@Noblebird02]

Every Trans Identifying man and woman I have ever met seems to have BPD. Only woman I ever met who wasn't trans and acted like a transwoman has BPD. An annoying feminine Trump supporter with internalised misogyny.

[@dreddykrugernew]

The strange thing is if you are committed to a mental hospital and you say you believe you are King Charles the staff arent allowed to actively go along or encourage this behaviour. These doctors who are supposed to be helping people, how is it that the exact opposite treatment is administered just because they arent in a mental hospital by these health officials. Some health officials who work in mental health hospitals need to be coming out and saying they are doing the exact opposite of what is actually allowed in their part of the profession someone needs to get a grip of all this...

[@highdownmartin]

See crossing the floor John cooper Clark If you said you was Napoleon I wouldn't give you a white horse and advise you to invade Russia

[@NyanyiC]

most of these were mental conditions but the community normalised them

[@lynn9111]

One surefire way of stopping this in its tracks is to stop providing it 'free' courtesy of the taxpayer. If parents had to cough up or someone had to work to save up for it, you can bet they would be thinking long and hard about spending their own cash; this would also stop the NHS (paid for by taxpayers) being sued if they don't provide it, and then being sued when they do and it goes wrong.

[@KellyNora-p8q]

First surgery is free and then they have to pay for the lifelong complications.

[@rbuddy4765]

Wow these medical Professionals should be jailed .

[@lena-Ramone]

🎯

[@joycegifford8826]

This is 100% lack of parental care. A parent’s job is to be a disciplinarian, a stabilizer NOT a best friend, NOT an enabler. Those who go through this dangerous FAD are the lost children of incapable parents. Parents need to say NO. No one can parent your children, but you. The solution is simple 18 and that’s it.

[@lourdeszurita9244]

I agree but I still think 18 is way too young

[@kerrief3414]

Would the doctors be as quick to affirm someone's anorexia? Would they affirm and agree that the :fat" they see in the mirror is valid, and they may identify as overweight and affirm their starvation? Honestly, when people have a wrong perception of themselves, they need help, not an affirmation of their delusion.

[@sminchan3732]

Keira seems very nice and vulnerable in her life with her parental issues. This is why they've been taken advantage of by this sick ideology. I hope she can live a happy life.

[@coraltaylor7327]

Keira Bell is so brave. Such a hero. I most definitely would have had a mastectomy if I lived in a different time. I hated my developing body, i hated the way men looked at my body and the unwanted attention on a young and innocent girl was such a heavy burden.

[@herewegoagain632]

Do you know whats sick? There are people out there that havnt even been given a category name yet that are absolutely getting off on all this. Its criminal, enraging and so bloody tragic

[@lena-Ramone]

Alot of these psychopaths are going down. Everyone is sick of so much of the evil going on in the institutions

[@PuddilyOops]

Anyone who says they don’t believe in evil has never really come up against it.

[@wakinyjantabart8622]

What Elon Musk said about his child has been taken out of context - he was talking about the word "dead-naming" - the interviewer then asked further and Elon said, that in a sense his "son" was dead to him, as now he had a child saying they were a "daughter". He wasn't saying his son was dead to him in negative sense.

[@anneoconnor5907]

A lovely, articulate woman.

[@jenniferplatts174]

Amazing but disturbing discussion. Its just a deplorable and evil form of child abuse

[@abiadu5276]

Agreed

[@typetwo]

I listened to the podcast and her low voice sounds very male. Seeing her image it is so immediately obvious she is 100% a normal woman. They really played some mind-games with her.

[@sue.F]

Speaking from New Zealand, we are still allowing puberty blockers despite all the evidence that they are far from reversible and harmless.

[@MsChitterchat]

And we have the highest number of minors prescribed PB than any other developed country. Shame on NZ.

[@annashaw858]

Keira never forget you are one of the strongest most important women of this century. You’ve saved hundreds if not thousands of girls making the same decisions and have changed the course of direction of healthcare. Absolutely heroic

[@SteveGallard]

My best friend was a tomboy growing up. Now she is a happy lesbian in her 40s. We both wonder what might have happened to her had this 'solution' been available to her.

[@freemarket913]

It’s really sad that people go through this. My heart goes out to these poor people who were taken advantage of as children by the medical industry and corrupt policies. I hope this person makes the best of their life and lives a peaceful prosperous life

[@Miamaiya]

So sorry that this happened to you, Kira! Thank you for sharing your story. Must take huge amounts of courage!

[@IsopodHouse]

So glad i was an 80s child. I was a tomboy and into 'boy things'... back then you were just a tomboy and that was it. Now, it seems, as soon as you do something that isnt your gender you seem to be rushed into changing your body. Its a crazy world we live in at the moment

[@wrmlm37]

Makes me so sad that I WASN'T offered female hormones, as a teen, when my menstural cycle didn't appear until 16 and primary sexual characteristics NEVER came in completely. In the end, I only had my menses for 19 years. A 35 yr old menopausal female...but instead, the docs were hard at work transitioning children! Cripes.

[@mlonster]

What an excellent honest and open conversation. Hats off to the both of you.

[@idiotproofdalek]

Wow Peter Tatchell didn’t want to be asked hard questions….there’s a surprise!

[@voices_vary]

Testosterone causes the vocal cords to thicken and that cannot be reversed. One can practice speaking differently with a coach, but the normal voice changes forever.

[@carolrichardson5259]

This is heartbreaking. Keira is lovely and describes the effects so well. This is going to be a major scandal in years to come. The sooner the better this abuse is exposed and stopped. How can safeguarding children not be recognised.

[@RB-jl2qb]

What a brave woman Keira is. Peter Tatchell is a threat to children. Giving that man a platform and not pinning him down on the horrendous views he has was a case of bad journalism

[@AuntyJack123]

I think most who watched the interview knew very quickly what a cult activist he is.

[@icantbebotheredwithnames]

Most girls go through confusion, turmoil before and during puberty. It all goes away

[@langermain]

I'm a hetero guy and I've never personally felt gay or wanting to be trans. But this episode had me riveted to be honest -- because Keira is so calm and logical. I think she's amazing: well done, Keira. At my previous job I saw immediately (2020) that absolutely everyone was signing their emails with their pronouns under their name. Being utterly naive about this movement, I assumed there must be loads of trans / gay people working there. But I eventually realised there were NONE! It was pure ideology. Without saying anything I quietly refused to do it. And after 13 months I was kicked out for being "misogynistic" - which 100% I am not! They didn't even have any proof to back up the claim. This is wokeness gone mad. An incorrect ideology.

[@onlinealiasuk]

This is the mental health equivlent of the Thalidomide scandle. The utter hubris of today as we look down on the past believing we are so different

[@kayetaylor5551]

Thank goodness for single toilets!!!! HORRIBLE to not know which toilet to pee in...this video made me cry ..she was so hurt by the medical profession 😢😮poor cow should have been free to be a butch woman WHAT THE STUFF IS DO WRONG WITH BEING A BUTCH WOMAN ANYWAY 😢

[@formxshape]

The movie Frankenstein comes to mind in regards to the medical staff that carry out these procedures.

[@Catherine-2008]

I have listened to Keira's story and it is just heartbreaking! Andrew, I wonder if you would interview Maureen Callahan. She is an American columnist that cover politics, pop culture and current events. I am looking forward to your interview with Keira!

[@KatallinaVT]

There was no human doing the Windows version of "Are You Sure You Want To Install This Software?" Not even to say you can't, but to serve as a stop-gap to consider what's happening. A parking lot without speed bumps. A street with no traffic lights.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

Three cheers for androgyny, gender non-conformity, intellectual critical enquiry into social constructs and creative transgression and fun with fashion and aesthetics; one giant blown raspberry for this ridiculous ideology. It's one of the most wrong thinking, wildly experimental psychological and medical scandals of our era. Thanks Keira for going public, bravely and openly.

[@a_lucientes]

Thank you for speaking out. It is so important// These stories are always hard to hear. (Im 63 male and could not get testosterone. I was told I didnt need it. Its apparently very hard to get,, which just adds to how crazy this is)

[@tovebiagi6906]

I'm glad I wad a tomboy in the 70s and early 80s! I never had to questioned my sexuality, and I was never asked about it. I was never in any doubt that I was a girl! I just had to be tough growing up with mostly boys around me. If this was today, I think other well meaning teachers etc would have confused me totally by saying I could be a boy if I wanted to, are you sure you want to be a girl etc. I'm so cross that we are not protecting our young ones better from this, but actually expose them to this ideology in school. Being a teenager is so confusing and difficult for so many, and to get this on top of it, is cruel!

[@Houbbie]

Thanks for sharing your story, Keira ❤ Yours is what mine could have been if I were born a few decades later. Glad to hear you're in a better place now Andrew, great episode, as always!

[@sharonminer9350]

These procedures should never be given to teens. Their brains are not developed enough to completely understand what will happen.

[@harrietlane3723]

I so admire Keira and found this conversation so interesting. I wish her peace and joy ahead 🙏🏼

[@MsChitterchat]

Interview handled very sensitively. Thank you both. Wish you all the best Keira, please know that you are beautiful inside and out.

[@Stabm]

Thank you Keira for your wise words and for sharing your story! ♥️

[@kpt002]

She is so calm and wellspoken, pleasant to listen to. I am sure when she gets herself collected (with all what has happend and other pieces in her life) she will do fine. It is still horrible that she did not get real help to the issues she was dealing with and instead ended up to this road which caused her permanent physical damage. And there are so many others. That is why this message is important to share.

[@voices_vary]

The Transition Justice organization is handling lawsuits brought by trans people who have been abused and mistreated. This is in the USA and is handling a growing group of people. It's a very important fight.

[@zephyr139]

What I will say as a gay man is that ftm trans people absolutely do not "pass". There's a growing number of heterosexual young women who are now transitioning because of internalised misogyny and also I belive a level of homophobia where they are almost kind of fetishisising gay men. Real life isn't a tumblr fan fiction or an episode of heartstopper. We are real people and a straight female cannot understand what being a gay male is like just as a gay man can never understand being female. Nobody chooses to be gay and no biological male in our society ever wants to be gay. We just have to accept what we are even if we didn't choose it and didn't want it rather than pretend to be something we decided we want to be but simply aren't. The number of FTM trans people in gay spaces now expecting gay men to be interested almost outstrips actual gay men especially in younger age groups. What's most irritating about it is this is it's clearly homophobic but somehow it's gay men that are supposed to be the homophobic ones against a straight female simply for saying no or asking for their sexuality to be respected. We now have to excuse being gay under a technicality in trans ideology where we can claim homosexuality is just some kind of "preference". No thank you.

[@Anonyma80]

I noticed that a lot too. There are two main groups in FTM The women who have problems going through the world as masculine/butch lesbians and don't want to be seen as ugly or treated in a derogatory way Or the fetishizing of gay men by straight women who would rather be a beautiful gay man and be admired

[@RuthIreland-qk4cp]

This is really insightful, and heartfelt, so thank you. Especially regarding your reference to the kind of fanfic where the male characters are kind of asexual or "gay-ish" but still romantic towards girl characters. For many young women, I think gay men represent a kind of "safe" boyfriend material - when girls/women are not really ready for the physical side of romantic relationships (and associated risks of harm/pregnancy) but are drawn to masculine energy and appearance. This maybe goes double for young women who are a bit less mature emotionally or who have suffered trauma at the hands of men. So I don't think it's homophobia as such, i.e. it's not really about the men, but of course it's really unfair/harmful because gay men are actual people not props in someone's self-delusion or working-through of their emotional issues. They deserve their own spaces, their own sexual and romantic lives which (obviously) don't include women! Fine to imagine that you can "turn" your fave gay anime character or whatever (I'm an old lady, can you tell) but real people shouldn't have to justify their romantic preferences - we all have those. The issue of male "lesbians" in female-only dating spaces is of course one of safety as well.

[@adris432]

Who is forcing gay men to date trans men or calling them transphobic for not wanting to sleep with them/date them...This opinion is absolutely not in the majority. I've NEVER heard it from an actual trans person irl...plenty of times from people who spread what "trans people surely think", though. And no, people don't go through all the risks and difficulties involved with transitioning (social and medical) because they fetishize gay men. That's ridiculous. (Has it EVER happened? Sure, maybe...but you can find a fluke or extreme for anything in the world). Trans men transition...and if they are attracted to men, well, sure, they hope to find love with one....what else are they supposed to do? Spend their lives alone just because somebody thinks they transitioned for fetish?

[@tela1653]

Well said!!! Being a truly gay man or woman is something entirely different to thinking you have been born into the wrong body and being really unhappy about it (which is often a symptom of other underlying mental health issues and/or a fase in someones life). Statistics show that transitioned boys or girls are not happier once transitioned. In fact it is the opposite. No surprise because the underlying issues don't resolve themselves just because one has taken on another gender and on top of that there are the horrible effects of taking hormones to deal with. Imagine going through menopause as a youngster, especially the mental issues menopause brings with it, although the physical issues are awful too.

[@lesleyfuller7471]

Brave woman for coming on here to tell her story and to help others not to go through the sad difficulties she has experienced in her life.

[@anaccount8474]

It's astonishing how people don't see how evil and obscene this all is. They've been told it's virtuous and wrong to question it.

[@catherinehume9193]

What a fantastic interview. As someone who had what we called Gender Identity Disorder back in the 90s, and I had it for 25 years, just a couple of things to pick up on. I went to my religion as a Christian with GID and same sex attraction. I was in a fantastic organisation for lgbt Christians who had all the data on lgb and T going back to the 1950s. Keira said her father was Christian and that made her internalised homophobia grow. As with Ritchie, Keira’s research into all things trans did not reach to the data going back to the 1950s that showed that most people with GID desist, and that abuse occurs in the childhood of almost all people presenting with GID, especially sexual abuse. GID is a reaction to abuse and other adverse childhood events. The LGB Alliance say that all these “trans teens” are actually LGB teens and the transition is transing away the gay. So all these teens are actually LGB. But the LGB Alliance then do not recognise that all these LGB teens are survivors of abuse or other adverse childhood events. The official figures I have found for sexual abuse among lesbian or bisexual girls is 42% and it is 25% for straight girls, and 20% for gay or bi boys and 12.5% for straight boys. But I know lgbt grassroots workers who say almost every gay woman or gay man was sexually abused in childhood. I was physically abused by my parents and severely bullied by girls in school, then shunned socially by women and bullied by women in the workplace. I had no good female role models or friendships. I saw women as victims and so many women today want to be seen as victims, in the 90s women could not do anything without taking their clothes off and I saw women as strippers and prostitutes in my town, my friends got pregnant at 14 and 15 and I just looked at women with disgust. My dad hit me a lot but at least he was fun. I always found my mother boring. With my dad I built walls and fixed car radios and played football. Men were kind to me, men saw me as an equal, men used their brains and did stuff with their clothes on. I identified more with men’s personality traits and I could not identify with women at all. Women disgusted me. So I figured I wasn’t a man but I certainly was not a woman. It was going to my religion that eventually fixed all my problems. It took years. It took moving to another country where other women were highly educated and multi lingual and not bitchy. I was just another normal woman in Belgium. That is what healed me. I was just another normal woman like all the others. I really wish people would do a full research into trans before they choose to transition. If Keira had looked into her father’s religion, she would have found the organisation that supported me and several others who had gender issues and really helped us. Two guys who detransitioned medically 20+ years ago were there for me. They were always at the end of an email for me if I was triggered and finding it difficult to cope. People see Christianity as so restrictive and nasty. It is the opposite. And on issues like gender, Christian organisations have been supporting people for over 50 years. Yes, there are some nasty types out there who claim to be Christian. The reality is there are some amazing people out there who will stick by you until you have recovered and can go it alone. My blog is all about genuine lgbt issues from both research papers and my own lived experience. I also have a sense of humour. It helps. Feel free to pass it on to anyone who may benefit from it. catherinehume.wordpress.com/

[@tchocky71]

I am so sorry for Keira. She has been strong and brave to discuss this publicly and I thank her for it. Andrew, thank you for conducting such a Frank and honest interview. You asked the questions that are important to know for anyone to form their own opinions about.

[@SandraPenelope1000]

Keira's story was the first time I had actually realised that someone could regret their 'transition.' I first heard about her from a psychologist in France who was involved in transitioner regret. I'm so sorry (as I am for anyone in her situation) that the medical profession failed her so dreadfully. She seems to be an extremely intelligent woman, well-spoken, coherent. I'm glad she's looking forward and not back. Heartfelt good wishes to Keira.

[@-themarwickshow6247]

Thank God! This young woman is telling the world about the harm of transideology.

[@dazuk1969]

It's hard to know what to say to Keira, all I can do is extend love and good wishes to her and wish her well for the future.

[@mistybehaviours]

I was such a tomboy and even now in my 40’s I have days were I’m a bit tomboyish and days when I’m really girly. If I grew up nowadays my school would probably try and push me into being Trans cause they are doing it to my daughter, that’s why I tell her to just say she’s non binary so they leave her alone, it’s the woke councillor and the teachers with bright hair. There’s a reason why in nature animals stay away from creatures with bright colours, they know it’s poisonous and spu toxic.

[@AMikeStein]

Holy shit!!! Heretic got an interview with the person who case pretty much started the major push back against gender ideology in the mainstream. That’s awesome. Good on you mate. This is gonna be an interesting episode.

[@annettefournier9655]

What is with millennial parents and wanting a quick fix for everything? Letting your child try to change their biology is insane.

[@PossumLover1111]

Excellent interview. Keira is a lovely human being with such an understanding of this subject, wisdom, and inspiring with her insight. I wish her the best of everything.