Woke Students Finally Lost Their Minds - Jonathan Kay (4K) | heretics. 62

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Have you heard of the two-spirit gender? Do you see the madness of the woke student virus? Let me know below - and hit that sub and like!

[@rossy2976]

Hell no never heard of it and if someone aksed I'd ask if its Douche/Unicorn? Enjoy your channel💯

[@biancawilloughby9980]

Mate you're showing your ignorance here. Must be slow news day for the grifters. In Australia we are called brotherboys and sistergirls. Were originally wiped out by colonisation and Christian Missions same in North America. Nothing to do with so called wokism lol. see below.

[@jecarlin]

Yes I have, I've heard of it since the late 90s/early 00s. In contrast to all the new genders that are coming out all of a sudden, Two Spirit is older, it is a concept that comes to us from some Native American tribes. I'm not surprised you don't know this considering you are British and not North American.

[@rgghjs9270]

India have Hijra too. Like we keep saying, not a big deal. Reckon you lot might just be a bit uptight/judgemental?

[@dunkel.760]

2SLGBTQI+ Literally a Wi-Fi password. I saw it in Canada use by the government, but the term "2 spirits" has being used since the 90s.

[@ronderuiter3298]

I'm a confused Canadian. We are told that colonization of Canada was the worst thing possible. Also, we are told we must drastically increase immigration. I'm called racist either way.

[@nilsbrown7996]

Absolutely. It’s ridiculous.

[@paulatreides4274]

The old Jedi mind trick works every time.

[@jecarlin]

Colonizers are bad, we need to bring in more colonizers, what an amazing feat of doublethink!

[@_M_a_r_t_i_n_M]

Seriously. At least our First Nations People ARE STILL ALIVE here. And they CHOOSE to live on their Reserve Land. YES they know full well that we are happy to see them living in Canadian towns and cities, and they DO. Go a little further north than Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal etc and we seem to have more Native People than European-Heritage in many areas. The Americans massacred their Natives and left the ones who refused to stop fighting on Reservation Land which were basically concentration camps. Yeah, our history with the natives in Canada is horrible in far too many ways, but it is not as bad as the new narrative suggests. The residential schools was an utter travesty on epic proportions. And the fact that, historically, our government has never given a crap for archeological digs and breathing new life back into their history. But to suppress and hide this all and act as if it never happened is FAR WORSE. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It is a topic that we need to speak of. And btw, I am from a family of recent immigrants after WW2 from Germany so I have a different perspective than many on this. I grew up with a lot of native friends. They DO NOT like to see all of these new immigrants coming in and constantly taking priority over them in the Government's Eyes. And our First Nations utterly hate Trudeau, he used the issue of their missing women as a way to get votes from them, and literally never spoke about the issue once after he was elected. He stabbed them in the back too many times. Him talking about "Colonialism" simply serves to offend them, because they know he is lying is face off. And we are NOT a "Post-Nationalization-Nation-State who's history can be changed", that is a fucking term he invented to invalidate our history and invalidate European-Heritage-People in general. His self-loathing and his projection of his self-hatred towards his own culture is sickening, just because he is the Social Justice Leader does not mean that people with European Ancestry have zero right to exist nor appreciate their own culture. Europe has a VERY vibrant culture. Those who say that Europe has no culture to speak of are only repeating things they were told is 'correct' to say. Now crucify me for 'racism' for saying this, but MOST things we take for granted in our modern world was INVENTED, CREATED, and PRODUCED by 'White" people. And NOW YOU WANT TO KILL ME, us European-Heritage People actually APPRECIATE the cultures of people from across the planet, and feel that multiculturism is liking the culture of other people who live in your community, and sharing cultural aspects and holidays, celebrating together and borrowing aspects of the culture of other's to enrich the vibrancy of their own lives. Multiculturism is NOT having everybody living in their own little communities, always in a state of mistrust of the others. I vote Conservative and would like to see the nation of Canada exist as we have known it all our lives for the future generations to grow up in and enjoy for what it is. We have a truly beautiful country, and we need to respect it for what it is. We need to fight AGAINST this political divide-and-conquer. It is only detrimental to us to hate our neighbors over differences in who we prefer to vote for, or small personal preferences like pronouns. Seriously, I vastly prefer to respect how people wish to be addressed than to be their enemy. Adults can make their own choices, I have never been bothered by Trans People. Gay People have never been anything other than individuals in my friend circles through my life. Forcing children into transition is THE WORST FORM OF CHILD ABUSE and I will never change that fact, you may hold it as an opinion, and that is okay because opinions can change once real facts are learned, and it is zero reason for any average person to be an enemy to me. Politicians and those who live and work in the same circles on the other hand..

[@kathybumphrey699]

We can win. Also 🇨🇦

[@marieparker3822]

As a white British person, I told an American girl in Britain that I am indigenous. She looked utterly puzzled.🤔

[@Inklenation]

And may the Lord bless and keep you… my indigenous friend..

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

Indigenous and heading for minority status...

[@shareeburbank2836]

😂

[@six-gun]

British is a passport. I notice you didn't say you are English / Welsh / Scots / Irish.

[@notyourordinarygran]

That's because we are BRITISH first. ​@@six-gun

[@clemdane]

My proudest moment in recent times was when Martina Navratilova retweeted one of my tweets about the rights of biological women to their own sports!

[@SquirtlePower809]

Woooohoooo! Congrats! That's awesome!

[@dyoung1492]

Brilliant!

[@davidrenton]

does Elon Musk Liking my tweet on Gender idealogy beat yours, and yes it was the real one and not one of the 100 fake ones

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

The things we aspire to in 2024 are depressing. A tweet? 😮

[@clemdane]

@@davidrenton Yeah probably

[@shakespearewilliam8423]

I'm currently 2 Spirit. Whiskey and Vodka

[@raquelcastrovalente5673]

I’m on your team!!! Red Wine and Gin here!😂😂😂😂

[@JonathanRossRogers]

Replace the vodka with a spirit that has flavor. Try gin or tequila.

[@MixedTake]

I identify as Jack/Daniel. So brave.

[@Maureen-q6w]

🤣😂

[@emmacalnan7624]

😂

[@mattyjay8896]

This gender ideology will eventually be studied by therapist and psychologist for decades to come.

[@Kkat201]

If we survive it

[@joan3891]

Centuries to come, if we last

[@janetdavis5644]

Currently trans ideology courtesy of Judith Butler is inserted into psychoanalytic literature a book by Spurling offered up to students of counselling and psychotherapy in the UK.

[@nyrtzi]

One could ask if this will be studied by historians interested in various kind of mass hysterias and how they interact with social media.

[@jamesclark6487]

Gender ideology is entirely due to therapists and psychologists. To think that they will have any part in its undoing, or the post-mortem of it, is exceptionally naive.

[@pirangeloferretti3588]

It's OK to be White, European. It's actually Amazing!

[@thegroovypatriot]

It's OK to not think of us as colors in the first place

[@davidrenton]

@@thegroovypatriot as everyone else does, why should we not. That's the problem all this identity politics, guess what creates a unified white Identity , because it has to

[@gerthanekom8910]

I just love being white!

[@daftirishmarej1827]

Considering i go completely clear when about to faint, green when i want to be sick, red when sunburnt or embarrassed añd blue when I'm cold, the noun (sorry, adjective) "coloured" definitely applies to me and my white UK butt😢

[@simolatham03]

You would think Britain was 50-80% black and Indian (the ultimate goal) if you solely watched UK TV adverts it's ridiculous and gross the same as Canada, I started watching AD breaks to play spot the whitey or white couple. It's a legitimate challenge.

[@jonathanmahoney1672]

Yes I been playing that game for a while 🙂 another one is to spot the silly man character, e.g. the guy on the Vodafone and who nearly burns his kitchen down

[@simolatham03]

@@Greylobster I don't, I go in the other room with my boomer mum to just watch the colonisation adverts. I have ad blockers and premium subs so haven't seen advertising in years, so it's quite novel to see what they are feeding the boomer audience.

[@kathryn-yd7bh]

​@@simolatham03subconscious indoctrination

[@lirands2730]

USA the same

[@Doooooooooooood]

And if you do see a heterosexual white male in an advert they are often idiotic or the butt of the joke.

[@megg.6651]

Do you REALLY think that corporations supporting BLM was "all well intentioned"??

[@dalegraham2534]

Corporations supporting BLM were just trying to get angry far left people off their backs. In other words, it was a payoff.

[@taylorcuthrell4123]

I work for a MASSIVE pharma company. We produce one of the top 10 biologics in the world revenue wise. Our company sent out some email about Israel and I too ostensibly agree, but it devolved into, "well why aren't we supporting those dying in Palestine?" I just want to work and make drugs that help people. I just want to get our proteins at the right mcg/ml. Why does it ALWAYS have to be infected by this stuff?

[@madsocsci]

Because the leftist networks subverting every facet of our society intend to make it so to divide it. Some juice on the operationalization of those networks... m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/p57Kf4htiLCCnZY

[@notyourordinarygran]

Back in the day you had to attend your Boss' church every Sunday to keep your job and home. Nothing changes.

[@thunderstreet78]

There was an indigenous woman who said there was no concept of two spirit in their culture or language. She was cancelled, at least until she made a public apology.

[@Noblebird02]

Right. Radical feminists do discuss how the 2spirit/faafaafine/third sex phenomenon is found more amongst indigenous people who are patriarchal. Matriarchal people apparently don't marginalise homosexual men by labelling them third sex etc

[@Noblebird02]

@@cherylderue336 Greeks and Romans were polytheistic (Hera, Venus, Diana where powerful goddesses) but still intensely patriarchal. The Germans and Gauls had powerful mother goddesses, but forensic evidence suggests that both killed widows alongside husbands. Chinese worship guanyin and practiced foot binding. Hindus worship Kali yet some north Indian ppl burnt widows of funeral pyres until the 1980s. If I had to a woman in any of the great civilizations of the ancient world I would be a Jewish woman because The real determiner of women's status is whether inheritance and status is passed down maternally or paternally: the state in India with the lowest rate of female infanticide and highest female literacy is matrilineal Kerala. Native Americans varied: sometimes status and property was passed down paternally and other times maternally. So the status of native American women could vary from being far superior to any woman in the old world (Iroquois) to kinda terrible (Aztec)

[@zimzob]

Whenever someone tells you “indigenous/Native American /African/etc. people do this,” you must ask *_which_*_ people?_ - lumping so many different peoples & cultures together as indistinct “indigenous /natives” as props for one’s political agenda is crass racism.

[@andretorres8452]

Modern concepts being superimposed on the past is what seems to be going on.

[@Gingerblaze]

The term "two-spirit" was coined by a jewish queer activist at a convention in Winnepeg, Manitoba Canada in the 1990s. Much to the dismay of the indigenous women elders who were outraged at the misrepresentation and appropriation of their culture for political gain.

[@clemdane]

I want to start a consumer brand called "Insufferable Hipster"

[@keithyork8226]

I’m reminded of the old Woody Allen joke: “He was a reform Jew. A very reform Jew. A Nazi.”

[@kingclover1395]

Actually I think we were better off when we could tell dirty jokes at the office or wear naughty t-shirts or whatever. To pretend that people have always been offended by this type of thing is just not true. I'm gay myself and I was much more comfortable in the workplace a couple decades ago than I am now. Nobody feels like they can be themselves in the workplace anymore, so you lose the camaraderie and good feeling among coworkers that you often experience at work. People used to understand what the intentions behind humor were, and everyone understood where the line was. But now there is no line. Everything is over the line and off-limits today. And everyone must acknowledge this by showing fake outrage. People today feel that in order to be a good person you have to be against everything that somebody somewhere might disapprove of, and since we've been conditioned to think this way, these people are everywhere.

[@67oldcoach]

When we lose laughter and a sense of humour the world has gone to hell in a handbag.

[@SquirtlePower809]

Yup!! And also it's not just about the removal of risqué jokes, it's the WAY they have been removed and enforced. Any kind of joke relating to identity (race, gender, sex, sexuality, religion, etc.) has become basically a criminal offense and the mechanism of CONTROL is what is truly scary. When we were allowed to make jokes about race, sex, gender, etc. it reminded all of us that it's NOT THAT SERIOUS! And consequently, we all got along better and enjoyed life more.

[@rensha8635]

100%. Corporate workplaces sound like the most boring places to work these days and at worst they do not allow their workers any freedom of thought as an individual.

[@Gitn2it]

What's even more unsettling is that gays, blacks, and other "oppressed" minorities can't just be passive or average people. They must be angry, put upon, defensive, militant activists, and/or exaggerated characterizations of themselves.

[@Gitn2it]

What's even more unsettling is that gays, blacks, and other "oppressed" minorities are not allowed to just be passive and fit in. They have to be either a victim of discrimination, morally outraged, easily offended, an sjw, or adopt an exaggerated characterization of their identity.

[@ConnorMacgillivray-j1f]

'We have Jewish students at our protests so we can't be anti-Semitic' is the new 'some of my friends are black'.

[@tubester4567]

Its crazy they literally call for genocide of Jews and everyone just accepts it. Most of the "activists" at universities are not even students, they are mostly from the Muslim immigrant population and a handful of ignorant youth who have no idea about history. The woke are the first people to be killed under an Islamic regime. .

[@deeplydisillusioned683]

Are you suggesting they are being forced to attend?

[@f.r.etling6226]

@@deeplydisillusioned683we’re saying you’re still anti Jewish even if you have some Jewish people agreeing with you

[@StanKPhlaps]

"I'm not being racist but ..."

[@cantthinkofaname750]

@@deeplydisillusioned683no they are delusional Jews who are completely detached from their origins and history

[@KarenRobson-t6h]

As a Canadian, I really enjoyed this chat with Mr. Kay.

[@Phantom_Communique]

Clarification on the engineer who wore the shirt with scantily clad women on it in an interview - His name is Matt Taylor. He was an instrumental part of the Rosetta project to land a spacecraft on a comet - an unbelievably difficult, nigh impossible task. It was an incredible achievement. Harder to calculate and achieve than the landing on the moon, which itself is (still) an incredible achievement. But of course he was attacked for the shirt he wore in an interview. Not that it really matters but the women on the shirt weren’t naked, it was a really goofy shirt with like flames and bikini babes and stuff. Was it poor taste? Yeah, probably. But the shirt was made for him by a very close friend who was (gasp) a woman herself. This was also in 2014, before woke-ism had embedded itself in popular dialogue quite so deeply. Again, was it poor taste? Sure. But for fuck’s sake, people need to lighten up sometimes. And Andrew, he might be a great guest to have on the show.

[@VesnaVK]

Bring on Matt Taylor!!

[@AAWT]

Good idea. Also, we shouldn't even accept that it's in poor taste. If he had worn a shirt with fully naked women on it, we could have an argument, but considering the fact that the shirt was made by a women & that feminsts ran a "free the nipple" campaign, and "pride parades" display utterly disgusting things in front of children, I refuse to even grant that it was in poor taste. He can wear whatever the f*** he wants, and if feminists complain, we should remind them that THEY are the ones proclaiming "b**w jobs are real jobs", which if taken to it's logical consequence would make it totally acceptable for job centers to send unemployed women into sex work. When it's the VERY SAME people who reject ANY form of sexual morality other than "is it consensual" start bullying people for things they get irrationally outraged by (and of course only if men do them - if a woman had worn said shirt, they wouldn't even have noticed it, let alone complained), we should laugh in their faces and get on with our lives. These people take advantage of and use people's politeness and will to compromise against them - if you give them an inch, they take several miles. People of the Anglosphere should get this through their heads once and for all or it will be fatal to our cultures.

[@shantishanti1949]

Bring on Matt Taylor. 👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks for explaining this T Shirt statement. Some people focus on minutia - baby out with bath water syndrome.

[@clemdane]

I am female and consider myself a (second wave) feminist and I thought the outrage over his shirt was utterly moronic.

[@Madonnalitta1]

No, it's not bad taste. It's a shirt. People need to grow up.

[@fanshaw]

The problem is not that we got rid of poor taste jokes from 1985. The problem is the mechanism by which we got rid of poor taste jokes from 1985 is what landed us in our current situation.

[@madsocsci]

And that "mechanism" was the World Social Forums - which most people concerned about the left have never heard of, yet they organized the movement. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/p57Kf4htiLCCnZY

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

We didn't get rid of bad-taste 80s jokes- We turned them into sincere, unironic reality. In 1985, you'd groan and roll your eyes when your 40yo,fat, balding uncle said "I'm a lesbian, trapped in a man's body". Today if the same guy says the same thing, he gets called "she/her", gets allowed in lesbian clubs and lesbian dating apps, and if actual lesbians complain, THEY are the ones who get banned/kicked out, while (in the ultimate twist of left-wing irony) the straight, white male is the " poor, oppressed victim".

[@lirands2730]

No, bring back the poor taste jokes. Bring back all jokes.

[@fanshaw]

​@@lirands2730 Well yes. Those that enjoy can enjoy, those that don't can learn how to be resilient. Everyone wins.

[@SquirtlePower809]

Absolutely well said!!!! I agree entirely!! The mechanism, method, and ideology is the problem!! If "poor taste" jokes went out of style naturally, it would make so much more sense. But, it's this fake virtuism and forced thinking/behavior that is so concerning. I mean, it almost felt like things changed overnight in some cases. Jokes that had been "risqué" (but that everyone understood to be a JOKE) suddenly become VIOLENCE. They were simply not allowed. But then it got worse. ANY joke that even remotely involved an aspect of race, culture, gender, sex, sexuality, etc. was completely banned. And honestly, because we lost the ability to laugh at ourselves and to sometimes find humor in those areas-- I think it's why we have experienced such an explosion in new wokeness and divisiveness. It was the humor that reminded us that, while these things can be very important, they aren't EVERYTHING. Racial differences can be funny or silly. It's not always LIFE AND DEATH and never-ending oppression talk. Idk, that's just a but of my thoughts on it

[@katlandryroyal]

Here in ever so woke Canada, 2 spirit has been recognised for a couple years. It's insane

[@nascar0509]

It's the left's vengeance by proxy using other's to enact their sick twisted revenge against the people they hate the most in particular the white working class, at the rotten core all this is the class bigotry of old.

[@Maloma12]

And there are at least two other meanings of "two-spirited": (1) "spirit" of male and female, i.e., bi-gendered (used to be the word); and (2) spirit of human and spirit of animal in same body ("spirit animal" -- wolf and male or bear and female).

[@moonlightray8493]

As a fellow Canadian, I'm so used to hearing it (and just internally rolling my eyes) that I didn't even register how insane it sounds to someone learning about it for the first time!

[@AndyJarman]

By who for what reason! Utterly pathetic attention seeking narcissism.

[@GeorgeSmiley77]

I first heard the term about 25 years ago in YWG.

[@Pammellam]

Supporters are coming to the defense of Matt Taylor, the scientist who helped land a space probe on a comet and simultaneously sparked cries of sexism with his choice of clothing. During the live stream of the Philae probe landing, Taylor wore a shirt featuring comic-book-style images of scantily clad women carrying guns. The shirt was not filled with naked ladies, they were scantily dressed but not naked. Perhaps you could say very scantily dressed and they were carrying guns. The shirt was made by a woman and given to Taylor as a birthday gift. She has written a blog post reiterating her support of the scientist, whom she calls “close and very loved friend.”

[@Madonnalitta1]

So, more fake outrage? Sounds like a cool shirt.

[@meowmeow797]

I remember that happening. I just wanted a shirt just like that!

[@FocusedFighter777]

Think about how W are constabtly critisized on how we dress etc. He had to dress accordingly too, he only have himself to blame....

[@adriannelson4214]

But gods forbid you even suggest that OnlyFans is not good for society, or undesirable for women and girls to get into.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@FocusedFighter777 he landed a space probe on a comet. Why are people talking about how he is dressed? Ye gads!

[@AallthewaytoZ2]

Wasn't the 2 spirit thing culturally misappropriated and twisted by a rich sex offender?

[@femalism1715]

YES!

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

Probably.

[@ninagohlsson6053]

I'm starting to believe that everything beyond the LGB is a misappropriation invented by a pervert. Just check out the origin of the term "gender identity" and you'll see what I mean.

[@callummilburn8204]

Cultural appropriation is sometimes permitted

[@Nous520]

Ooh who is this rich sex offender?

[@brunumb4914]

🙋‍♂ On the one hand I could listen to this for hours, but on the other hand it depresses me so much hearing about where the world is heading. Is there hope? 😢

[@patrickwoods2213]

As long as there are people standing up and fighting against nonsense- there will always be hope.

[@Gingerblaze]

There really was LESS division, racism, sexism, homophobia, BEFORE dei consultants and their policies, were implemented in education and corporations, healthcare etc.

[@DreamsOfFinland]

I was scolded & blocked a few years ago on twitter by a man claiming to be native american who had a son declare himself trans & he said it was a '2 spirit' special sanctified thing. I think I was called a demon or something for saying 'calling yourself a woman is not the same as being one." His fury shocked me. But now I feel like I dodged more trans indoctrination stuff.

[@hermanbril2682]

Please ONE sentence without 'LIKE'.

[@IlmarBeekman]

It is VERY refreshing to have good content for sane people. Love this channel!!

[@unanielson8837]

How can antisemitism and support for terrorism be called progressive?!?!?

[@Gingerblaze]

Guess it depends on what one believes we are "progressing" towards.

[@sofiasininen8268]

Welcome to 2024.

[@yvonnemorris7617]

Really loved this chat. Thanks.

[@DailyPolemics]

Sports is definitely a healthy occasion for nationalism/patriotism. I recall those first Women's olympics hockey matches back in 1998 and 2002. The Canada/US rivalry was real and palpable, but even when Canada lost (by only winning silver) to the USA in 1998, I was grateful to the USA for being serious enough about it and training their women to the level where they actually provided Canada with competition. That's real friendship between nations, it seems to me, but almost paradoxically, patriotic rivalry makes it work.

[@granthayter-menzies8602]

Really enjoy Jon’s insight and humour. We need both here in Trudeau’s Canada.

[@joanr3189]

That’s Montreal for ya. Here in BC you won’t find sharp, irreverent humour.

[@granthayter-menzies8602]

@@joanr3189One of the reasons we’re leaving - down the long list of other grievances, admittedly.

[@QueertyUCR]

Loved this guest. So good to hear from someone that isn't far right and still critical of the woke movement

[@Camily555]

I can’t help but think the ignorance and misguided woke religion is born out of very poor education that has procrastinated in America , Canada and uk for decades . It seems they are not able to investigate and think independently . As with education they are accepting what they hear and then wanting to be part of any rebellion movement ,as is the mark of youth. It’s an absolute tragedy that is really only born from bad education and not outgrowing tantrums. I also blame overly gentle parenting where children believe what they feel is above any other importance. All that’s been raised is narcissists I genuinely fear for their future.

[@DailyPolemics]

Sure, but on the other hand, a youthful rebellion movement will also fade away of its own accord when the fashions/fads of generational identity change. Gender identity performativity may give way to another kind of norms-defiance, and current technology-mediated corporately-operated communication may give way to ephemeral decentralised and unregulated networking (eg. meshtastic). We can't predict much except that youth always wants to carve out its own culture in distinction to that of its parents and "society".

[@MalachiCove]

Not sure the Chinese whose grandparents embraced Communism would agree with you.

[@thereselarfield7177]

@@DailyPolemicsYes or they will go out into the real world and get some sense knocked into them…. No unfortunately after they are indoctrinated in our education system they go out into society infecting our media, our cooperation our governments etc….

[@SquirtlePower809]

​@@DailyPolemicsyes, but the difference here is that this is not actually youth driven lolz. This woke culture is actually quite old, but it's only emerging now in the dominant cultural sphere because the numbers have hit critical mass. Academia has been a complete indoctrination machine for decades now (just progressively been getting worse) and so the effects of this have taken some time. The lawyers, doctors, journalists, politicians, bankers, etc. that woke academia produced needed several decades to hit that critical mass number which finally tipped the scale into full woke being the norm. So all of this stuff that a lot of millennials and gen Z have latched onto are not "new" or "counter-culture", in fact it is very in line with what the elites want them to do. Now, what we are seeing from young Gen Z and Gen alpha is definitely counter-culture, because they HATE the woke stuff and make fun of liberals and progressive ideology all the time.

[@inebriatedfowl3197]

​@@SquirtlePower809Do they? I do see that kids suck this crap up much more readily.

[@patrickselden5747]

An excellent and thought-provoking conversation, gents - ta very muchly... ☝️😎

[@janicemoss5818]

Yes we are very proud of how how professional our Andrew is😂

[@prof.jezebel]

P.S. I teach at a Canadian university and for the last 15 years, white PhD students have been confidentially told they will never get a tenured job because they are white. Recent tenure hires had to be First Nations or Black (government policy) or you couldn't apply, and candidates didn't have to have all the qualifications. At the same time, our student populations are much more diverse (about 20-30% of my students are white) and they deserve to be taught by an equally diverse faculty. It's complicated as demographics have changed quickly. I'm in favour of preference given to qualified candidates of under-represented groups (inc. class, sexual orientation, etc) until diverse representation is achieved then the policy should be dropped. Sorry if I've gone on too much but these convos are so thought-provoking!

[@davidrenton]

"I'm in favour of preference given to qualified candidates of under-represented groups" that's the problem there,as we see that never applies to White working class, who always get omitted, and none of that should be a factor anyway. Also as we see, take women for instance, it's not about 50% representation, they will complain that's it's only 70% it should be higher, why well because of 100 years ago. So effectively it's an impossible quota anyway due to skillsets, numbers i.e in the UK 3% Black, there isn't enough Black people to go around, esp those with the qualifications. also the harm you cause , and future societal problems, you are saying to White working class, you know the people whose ancestors built the US, UK,Canada you are bottom of the list, you get nothing. Great now you have a lot of righfully angry umemployed white men, who are resentful why do Google a very woke company not hire many black engineers, computer science, it's not because they are racist, but because there simply isn't this huge number they can draw from

[@joanr3189]

This is goood stuff! Jon brriefly mentions ubc, which prompted this comment. As an octogenarian anglo red diaper baby who grew up in Montreal, my sense of humour and world perspective was shaped by my social community which was comprised of jews, french canadians and communists (“Arise! Ye prisoners of starvation!” I have more…). There is no humour like jewish humour and I so appreciated it when it popped up here on Andrew Gold’s “heretics” (the “Nibblish” are coming …). Sharp, and irreverent, the two cultures shaped my outlook. Then I moved after retirement to British Columbia. I haven’t had a good laugh since.

[@jojowynne233]

This was another fascinating conversation. Thank you to both of you. ❤ I would like to hear more about this hotel, it sounds interesting. 🤔

[@lcraver4797]

I completely understand the comments about sports nationalism. We were in a pub in south London in 2016 when they had the European cup tournament. The locals expected me to pick a country to cheer for and I was expected to say "England!" which I wouldn't do. Since there was a team from Northern Ireland I said "Northern Ireland!" They said "but you're a Canadian!" but I instantly satisfied them by saying, "but both my mother's parents were born in Belfast....."

[@pepunar]

I can listen to Jonathan Kay all day long.

[@mak7587]

When in the hell are we going to admit we’re anti “something” and proud of it. As long as we don’t act on it we can think and feel anything we want. I hate strawberry ice cream but love chocolate ice cream. Etc.

[@DailyPolemics]

You mean like being antifascist and proud of it? (Pssst, the 21st century is calling you.)

[@greensun5998]

In the 1880s to distinguish between the sports of rugby football and association football students at the University of Oxford would use the terms "rugger" and “assoccer” . The latter being further shortened to “soccer”. So it's an English word that the Americans adopted.

[@lcitizen3029]

"I love what you're doing here." Well said Jonathan! I agree about Andrew's heretics, well done! I am very much aware of the woke mind virus and other cults. I love how calmly and thoughtfully both Jonathan and Andrew express themselves about topics that piss me off. Y'all are so refreshing, yet calming. Thank you!!

[@uncleskipsprairiejustice9367]

Hmm...Golda Meir publicly said there is no such thing as the Palestinian people in the 70s. In 1982, Ariel Sharon presided over a Far Right mass murder of 1100 Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Since 1977, Israel has pursued an unrelenting campaign of settlement on West Bank land, which belongs to Palestinians and was recognized as such in 1948, 1967, at Camp David and Oslo (at least in part). Netanyahu has publicly stated that the 2 state solution is dead and that "annexation" of the West Bank is the official policy of the govt of Israel. And now 35,000 trapped Palestinians have been slaughtered in Gaza. But it's "vicious" to call it "genocide"? Ok. So why is "mass murder" better?

[@alia9087]

Something else to notice (although I agree with what you said). How come for the last 50 years it has been nothing but support for Is re el in the news and papers. Now suddenly, it has turned round. Very suspicious

[@Towerofsnake]

Golda used palestinian passport to travel

[@syntaxd6480]

My friend who is a teacher said a student asked if they could identify as a cat. She responded "certainly, although a) i will consider that change as permanent and b) you will inherent the rights of a cat as per school policy which is to not allow animals in the classroom." Apparently the student never asked again 😂

[@stevenrn6640]

His ability to write off the WEF as a bunch of non-political people with no influence is stunning given Canada and his PM’s long history with them. There is a level of cognitive dissonance which boggles the mind.

[@Myahpd]

Thank you for having a Canadian on your show. Those who hate Trump have no idea how insane our "handsome and progressive" pm is . I don't think they realize just how bad it can get.

[@Fairdemand554]

Telling gay jokes actually is cool and funny. Youre not special, you don’t get exempted from being joked about.

[@souxcasa]

The gays used to have a great sense of humour

[@greenaum]

Depends what you mean. If it's genuinely meant affectionately, in good spirits, then that's OK. I can understand, and agree, that taking the piss out of people is one way of showing acceptance, that they're "one of us" so you feel comfy joking about them. But there's still people who actually hate gay people, for reasons that are pretty stupid and paranoid. When they tell denigrating jokes, they actually mean it. A joke isn't just a joke when it's in their mouths. If it IS just a joke, there's no problem. That's the issue. And other guy, don't confuse "the gays" with the alphabet brigade. Half of them are just hetero but want a special name for themselves, so they just make shit up and call it a "gender", because "gender" has no meaning any more. "the gays" are still here, and many of us want nothing to do with these Californian-influenced crybabies. The LGB alliance was started a couple of years ago for just this reason. Actual homosexuals and bisexuals. They love their own sex, and that's their only issue. I say "they", I haven't joined, I really ought to. So gay doesn't mean "turn the world upside down", especially since, as I say, many of these people are hetero. Just call them lunatics, idiots, bullshitters. There's a "Drop The T" campaign among gay people. Those "T's" jumped on our bandwagon without being asked. They're not like the transsexuals of a couple of decades ago. Their points, their politics, their demands, are nothing like the rest of ours. Their lives and issues aren't similar to ours. So they can pretty much fcuk off and go steal credibility from somebody else. Rather than counting our millions among their number.

[@DianInHerOrb]

@@souxcasa Most of us still do. LGB ✂️TQ+

[@souxcasa]

@@DianInHerOrb I have always and will always support LGB

[@DianInHerOrb]

@@souxcasa 😘

[@NickStewart-o4r]

Andrew - you are wrong about the song 'Three Lions'. It was definitely NOT a joke about underachievement but neither was it an over-confident song about England winning which is how it's portrayed every 2 years. 'Football's coming home' was a reference to the fact that after 30 years, there was finally a football tournament held in England (Euro 1996). Love your shows so much mate keep up the good work.

[@prof.jezebel]

When it comes to TwoSpirit, the First Nations are diverse cultures. Some support 2S, some don't. It's not for settlers to judge as we really don't know the contexts. I've met Jonathan (& David Frum, Justin Trudeau, Margaret Atwood, etc.) at parties and he is representative of what Canadian culture mostly was: thoughtful, informed, democratic, basically inclusive. My views are more left but I can appreciate his positions and these conversations. I'm proud of Canada being a progressive country but the younger generation is insane and this is pushing policies to go too far or too long. I was on a BLM march in Toronto when our then premier (lesbian) came out to talk to us, completely surrounded by protesters. The BLM leaders were screaming right in her face and she calmly explained that she'd already met all their demands (appointed a Black police commissioner, arranged anti-racist training, organized an all-stakeholders committee to make an action plan, etc.) and they just kept screaming to get the clips for their media. Then the BLM leaders stopped the Pride parade, blockading a major intersection and setting off fireworks, right after the nightclub shootings in Fla. We thought a homophobe was shooting up the parade, terrifying. BLM then banned police from Pride! After years of work created a good relationship between the police and gay community. And now it's the pro-Hamas crowd attacking Jewish businesses, schools, students, swarming Jewish neighbourhoods. That is not social justice, not intersectionality, not Left. That is narcissism and tiktok indoctrination and hate.

[@Pam29599]

I have not heard of the 2 spirit gender- that’s why I’m here 😊

[@quintessence3991]

Do you not get bored of listening to the same stuff over and over again?

[@elsh332]

It's been around for years. I'm actually really surprised that anyone hasn't heard of it... Have you heard about cake gender? It's absolutely crazy!!

[@robertmarshall2502]

​@@elsh332Eunuch is considered a gender by WPATH so I assume cake gender will be in the next standards of care including instructions on the temperature to bake them in the oven

[@rachael_grey]

I've heard about the concept for years. There are various First Nations and Native American tribes that share this concept in southern Canada and the northern (and southwestern) United States.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@rachael_grey it is a term first coined by a non-native queer male activist at a convention in manitoba in the early 1990s. First Nations women elders were outraged at the misrepresentation and appropriation of their culture for political gain.

[@lazyas8016]

Hit 370k today . thanks for the knowledge and nuggets you had thrown my way over last months.started with 8k in February.

[@omqbrown9041]

You're right! The very first time i tried. I invited $1000 and after a week, I receive $10,000, that really helped us a lot to pay up our bills

[@I-Dophler]

The video explores the relevance of cultural Marxism in various aspects of society: 1. Oppressed vs. Oppressor Dynamic: The speaker observes that many modern activists interpret geopolitical issues as a conflict between the oppressed and the oppressors, a notion rooted in Marxist thought. 2. Influence of Marxist Thinkers: The speaker mentions thinkers like Marx, Marcuse, and Fanon, indicating that their ideas have influenced how current generations view social and political issues, with a focus on power structures and systemic oppression. 3. Campus Activism and Anti-Israel Sentiment: The transcript highlights the significant impact of cultural Marxism on campus activism, particularly the strong anti-Israel sentiment, which fits the narrative of opposing perceived sources of oppression. 4. Inclusion of Diverse Gender Identities: The reference to '2S LGBT' in Canada exemplifies the inclusivity aspect of cultural Marxism, which aims to include and amplify marginalized identities, expanding the traditional Marxist focus on economic class to various forms of social identity. In conclusion, the video suggests that cultural Marxism shapes the way many activists and intellectuals approach social and political issues today, emphasizing the dichotomy between oppressed and oppressor and advocating for the inclusion of marginalized voices.

[@mingthemerciless886]

I saw a native American saying they did indeed use the term "2 spirit", but it translates as "useless man" or "failed warrior" and were not held in high regard.

[@Noblebird02]

Imagine it depended on tribe. There was more cultural diversity amongst native Americans than there was in Europe (as evinced by the greater number of language isolates compared to the near total dominance of Indo European language family in Europe, with Basque and Uralic as the outliers)

[@staceydoris2233]

Two spirit is phrase coined at gathering of homosexual natives in 1990. It has no historical value.

[@Namelbmert]

"They"? By your own admission, this story only involved ONE so-called "native American."

[@mingthemerciless886]

@@Namelbmert what are you on about, the "they" obviously refers to his tribe or native American culture in general, not just him himself.

[@clemdane]

I refuse to do business with companies that take stands on political issues.

[@rybobaggins]

From Wikipedia: “The initial intent in coining the term was to differentiate Indigenous concepts of gender and sexuality from those of non-Native lesbians and gays and to replace the pejorative anthropological terms that were still in wide use. Early adopters stated that a two-spirit identity does not make sense outside of a Native American or First Nations cultural framework. The term has sometimes been by non-Natives.”

[@Gingerblaze]

The term itself was coined by a non-native queer activist at a convention in the early 90s, in Winnepeg, Manitoba. Women FN elders were outraged by the misrepresentation and appropriation of something which was not culturally universal to FN nor was it accurrate, being used for political gain.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

42:47 Don't forget land acknowledgments.

[@DailyPolemics]

I remember those even way back in 2011 during the "Occupy" fad.

[@aidananstey9848]

I live in Perth WA and I went to my GP recently (elderly Vietnamese doctor) I have been seeing him for years and know him well, as I sat down he asked me if I saw the sign about the Aboriginal on the front door, he said "Stupid government MAKE ME put that BS on my door or I can't be Doctor" I shook my head and agreed with him that it was stupid. The sign said "this GP surgery acknowledges the traditional owners of the land" or similar such BS. This crazy, empty virtue signalling is getting out of hand.

[@metgirl5429]

Agreed I’m so so sick of it… I groan out load and sort of out are you serious And yes I get a few smiles …..

[@marcy7162]

I used to listen to a sewing podcast. One day, the two hosts started the podcast with a land acknowledgment, and I immediately deleted it from my phone and unsubscribed.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

@@marcy7162 There is a podcast I listen to because it's entertaining and informational that features a land acknowledgment at the end. That part annoys me, so I just skip it, but it would be different at the beginning. What I find funny about that particular podcast is that it's hosted by a man who lives in North America and a woman who lives in Italy. The land acknowledgment only addresses North America as if there was never any conquest in Southern Europe.

[@gavriloprincip11]

i bet the Cosby radio story is about CHOM 97.7 ?! (the Too Tall , Peppermint Patty and Terry Demonte morning rock ride must be behind it ?!)

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Starmer said he prefers Davos to Westminster. Its not a conspiracy.

[@EvaWharehoka-dub44]

I was astonished by how readily the guest dismissed real concerns... that are in play now. actually happening.

[@agatamars]

Well, if a hotel card is made of bamboo or recycled wood or wood pulp, then yes, it's more sustainable than plastic.

[@Sar-gd7yi]

I think that would depend on how many times it can be used. I listened to an expert say for a reusable bag to be worth its make it would need to be used 30,000 times

[@agatamars]

@@Sar-gd7yi Yeah, I heard the argument, it is probably true. But I also think of, like for example - if the wooden card or reusable bag (has to be cotton or other natural fibre though, not polyester) gets discarded or lost, and ends up in the street, or in nature, then it is less harmful for the environent because it will disintegrate quickly and naturally, in contrast to its plastic equivalent. Does that make sense?

[@mycatwilleatyou7569]

Bamboo especially. Super renewable, pretty durable, and tons of wood varieties that can grow in different climates. But there has to be an incentive to do it, and plastics are usually petroleum byproducts so.....that makes a lot of money and that lobby is massive

[@meforme.5]

Please straighten your lamp shades. Love your show.

[@GreatWhite7]

Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. Arabs are Semites Semite, name given in the 19th century to a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages spoken primarily in parts of western Asia and Africa. The term therefore came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians (including the Amhara and the Tigrayans), and Aramaean tribes.

[@greenaum]

Yeah, funny how none of them complain about "anti-semitism" whenever anyone criticises their actions.

[@panninggazz5244]

Love the bright spring blue!! Very nice look

[@kymiko123]

Talking about the aesthetics, the media sign needs moving into view, that blue lamp needs moving and straightening or removing? The white lamp wire needs taping out of view. You both look great love the colours and presentation 👌👍❤❤❤✨

[@ronderuiter3298]

Unlike the fad-like corporate virtue signaling of the past this 'woke' era seems a bit forced. Like it's not because the customers think that way but someone forcing it.

[@pegm5937]

Yet another Canadian chiming in, LOVED this conversation and being given a framewotk with which to understand the minute by minute concerns with the Feds based on Twitter trends. Hasn't put that together and am glad of it. Thank you for the explain of 2S because I haven't yet been able to understand beyond thinking "how is that different from bi?" And! In Alberta, as soon as BLM happened, white, heterosexual people disappeared from television advertising. Unless there's a hapless dork or idiot in the commercial, then the person is white. It's still like that. Ontario isn't as bad, but it's pretty strong. It's curious to watch.

[@pennybarker1596]

And to add to my last comment. It's ok if my people are not represented because the history of our migration to Canada goes back to about 40 years after the I$lamic occupation of our homeland. We haven't been in Canada long enough to be represented. We haven't been here to contribute enough to be represented. I came here to live in a white majority country because I like the culture. I've beem accused of being "white wanna be" but it's not that at all. Technically I do speak an Indo European language and my ancestry is traced back to Europe despite being a Middle Eastern but that's not the point. Liking someone's culture and wanting to live with that culture which is pretty much the same culture as the culture of none Muslim Middle Easterns doesn't make a person a wanna be. I came to live in Canada to live in Canada. If you want your own culture and community then don't come here. Stay in your own country. I just came back to Toronto from a week long vacation in Quebec city. It feels like I came back to Toronto from Canada because Quebec still looks like the Canada I migrated to while Ontario has become Ontaristan.

[@xstrawberryfoolx]

Are you Iranian? You spoke exactly what I feel

[@francedangela9556]

It took a Brit to introduce me to a very interesting fellow Montrealer. Thx Andrew. Jon I’ll be looking for you.

[@returnofthenative]

I must have been living under a rock here in Australia, actually I was in reality because I spent 11 months of the year working out in the central deserts. I was & remain profoundly shocked post 7th of Oct., to find not only such prevalence of anti-semitism, but the sheer depth & scale of it.

[@katherinecollins4685]

Great video

[@priola7587]

I just listened to a podcast about vocal fry. I couldn’t hear anything Mr. Kay had to say.

[@Gingerblaze]

The acronym "BIPOC" is itself, racist, placing "white" as being set apart, and focusing everything through the superficial lens of color.

[@Abuamina001]

‘In trying to make themselves angels, men transform themselves into beasts.’ Michel de Montaigne, The Essays of Michael Seigneur de Montaigne (London: Alex Murray, 1870), p.668.

[@Maloma12]

And there are at least two other meanings of "two-spirited": (1) "spirit" of male and female, i.e., bi-gendered (used to be the word); and (2) spirit of human and spirit of animal in same body ("spirit animal" -- wolf and male or bear and female).

[@RainbowDevourer]

These people are being failed by society: they are screaming "please put me in check" but nobody does...

[@dinosaurwoman]

"Political fetish" That is a brilliant description. I will remember that!

[@notyourordinarygran]

Personally, I don't see an issue with replacing plastic keycards with wood. If we replaced plastic like this everywhere no one would notice any real difference to their lives. Small changes, repeated on a worldwide scale, can make a huge difference.

[@rael1999]

The black T-Shirt thing is similar to Americans and Canadians wearing baseball caps with smart shirts lol !

[@L_Martin]

These 2 have a nice rapport.

[@MrElliotc02]

The problem is not with the nutty students. The problem is with the authorities that won't stand up to them. Civil disobedience does not mean it is immune from the legal system. Ghandi knew it...Thoreau knew it, etc. Deport foreign students who break the law. Prosecute lawbreakers.

[@Atomb]

Jon is great

[@karatyson8234]

For most companies, a statement is not needed or desired. I would make an exception for asprin--Bayer. The company was involved in experiments on concentration camp inmates during WWII.

[@jonkomatsu8192]

"Shabbat for Gaza...." Ummmm, oh-kaaaayeeee.... Bizarro World has begun. Oof. 🤦

[@charlesanderson533]

A lot of people say I'm Catholic or Jewish or whatever, but not practicing faith, so isn't that claiming to be something your not, it would be me being like I'm not racist I'm 10% black.

[@EM-bp5zv]

Everything we talk about today will be difficult in the near future. The only thing true is we will continue to fight and disagree.

[@danielmoura1944]

the blue lamp behind Andrew is tilt and hides the painting in a odd way! not very pleasant to the eye! just a thought 😊

[@mehcol]

Spot on A.G. subscribed and thanks.

[@noraurrasantana]

How very dare you, I identify as a midnight fury with 2 spirits, so don't disrespect me, I got rights you know

[@debguth]

You have the right to feel whatever you like. And I have the right to not respect it. Respect is earned. In fact I laughed. A midnight fury with 2 spirits? We all have various 'people' inside us, esp as we get older. But we don't give it pompous names and make a circus of it. 😊

[@sifridbassoon]

@@debguth Uh...I think user-... was being sarcastic. 🤣

[@LynettewVogel]

Goldie, the suits are really nice. One of my favourite days is Shabbat with my godson and his family. I’m a vicarious Jew.

[@CR055FIRE]

i have two spirits one is chinese and one is puerto rican

[@kibby5774]

Please straighten the black lamp shade behind Andrew.Driving me nuts. Thanks

[@guiseppe7058]

When was the earliest written knowledge of two spirit and was the earliest oral tradition people living in our time would know.

[@mattwa33186]

From what I've heard two spirit has been around for about 15 years. If that. It's based on some very old lore but it's not like there have been two spirit people running around the whole time AFAIK.

[@connor5669]

French colonists observed 2spirit people. 2Spirit is an umbrella term for a lot of gender non conforming native Americans. The term was coined to replace the French colonial slur

[@sifridbassoon]

@@connor5669 that's interesting! Thanks

[@Gingerblaze]

@@connor5669 which "slur" would that be?

[@connor5669]

@@Gingerblaze Berdache

[@bluj78]

I identify as cynical. Pronouns: you/bore/me

[@sn4rff]

another really interesting video, thanks.

[@sjp3568]

I thought "football's coming home" was simply that England invented football

[@allanf9355]

I can't resist pointing out that Martina didn't use a two-handed backhand. Sorry.

[@Arominit]

We live in 1984 line was🧨

[@StanKPhlaps]

Andrew Gold is dressed like it's 1984

[@ianfoster6601]

Regarding the soccer/football thing, if taken seriously then yes it's utterly tedious. If done with good-natured sense of humour then it can be fun. My favourite one is "I'm English. We invented the game and the language. It's football. 😀"

[@barrydworak]

2 guys who look like they came from the Country Club, discussing the dungeon aesthetic. 😁

[@FoundLamb]

That radio station story - hilarious

[@TheFluffyDuck]

It’s another world. An entirely different way of viewing everything you hear, see, feel, touch, and experience, values, remembers, and worth remembering. It has an answer for everything. It might as well be an alien culture.