Wokeism - The Frankenstein of Political Ideologies - Lecture 1

In this lecture series, Dr. Matthew Petrusek discusses contemporary progressive ideology, also frequently referred to as “wokeism,” and the response of the Catholic social thought tradition.
In Lecture 1, Dr. Petrusek identifies the ideological components that constitute progressivism and examines what makes contemporary progressive ideology attractive. He also demonstrates how progressivism both appropriates and distorts competing political theories-and yokes those distortions into the service of a particular group’s self-interest.
Dr. Petrusek’s new book “Evangelization and Ideology: How to Understand and Respond to the Political Culture” is available now: www.wordonfire.org/ideology
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[@rgvonsanktpauli6250]

"The Idolatry of Identity": You nailed the deep-seated narcissism (masquerading as virtue) at the core of infantile Wokeism. So well said. GREAT analysis.

[@tomlabooks3263]

Excellent introduction! Another pearl to add to the high-quality production of Word on Fire. As an Italian catholic living in California, I witnessed the shift from the “this is a bit excessive” level to the current “forceful reshaping of society” level. You are correct, it is about power and domination. It is our utmost duty as catholics to push back against this new religion that defies history and humanity.

[@oliverclark5604]

"duty" belongs to 'be-ing' identity and is a need. "catholics" as a 'do-ing' role is a gift.

[@oliverclark5604]

to tomlabooks3263, Our keeping or allowing in our associating together in uncertainty of our belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of our ensuring our procreation role gift and our insuring our need of union of our identity requires in our exercise of an absolute power of our simultaneous authorisations of our applications of our procreation gift role and of our insuring our need of union in our identities the advantageous combining of all the activities in education in sexuality and true love of all the understandably disparate helper of the family role groups: e.g. orthodox, traditional, progressive, other religions even atheist, on each of us in our role-identity as family members of consecrated marriages, either male female vowed to God or celibate vowed to man in Christ, exercising this absolute power. This is what happened on 10 June 2021 in Pope Francis' exercise of his absolute power of his simultaneous authorisations of his applications as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ of his: (a) ensuring his procreation role gift in the case of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees' alleged embezzlement of his procreation role gifts as a helper of the family within the family, presently on authorisation by Pope Francis of criminal indictments been heard in his Vatican state court, (b) insuring his identity in need of union in the case of an unacceptable risk of fraud on this need of Pope Francis by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill, defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill authorised by Pope Francis from his Vatican state Secretariat of State to the Italian government. Let us have Pope Francis as our reference point, as he has Mary mother of Jesus as reported at Luke 1:29-45 for his reference point as "she who [in uncertainty] believed", for our keeping or allowing in uncertainty of belief this inseparability and qualitative equality; that is, keeping or allowing covenant, non-presumed reciprocity, of this ensuring of our procreation gift by us and this insuring of our union need by us (cf. Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter, "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: marriage has: "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation", completed by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 adding 'qualitatively equal" with "inseparable".

[@jameseverett4976]

As people, as well as, "as Catholics". You don't have to be a Catholic to fight for common sense, and stable governing laws.

[@oliverclark5604]

@@jameseverett4976 All the activities of "Catholic" and non-"Catholic" role groups: the Vatican citizens/employees, Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others, and the Italian state Parliament, were advantageously combined on or just after 10 June 2021. This combining was by an exercise of a stable, common sense, law as exercise of an absolute power by Pope Francis of his simultaneous authorisations of his applications of his family member procreation gift ensuring role and his insuring his need of union of his family member identity. This exercise by Pope Francis was in his not knowing his family member role and his family member identity but in uncertainty of belief keeping their inseparability and qualitative equality hence out occulting the occult evil of the alleged embezzlement of Pope Francis' procreation role gift charity donations as a helper of the family within the family and an unacceptable risk of fraud on Pope Francis' insuring his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate joined in marriage by his vows to man in Christ . This out occulting was on the reference point of Mary at Luke 1:29-45 and at least me from 25 February 1991 on this reference point of Mary in my both acting and being, as confirmed by a direction of me by the letter to the Brisbane, Australia parish I served as a catechist addressing me from Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Laity Vice President, Bishop Paul Cordes, dated 28 September 1994 (ref. no. of letter to me from the PCL, dated 24 June 1994, referred to: 874/94/S-61/F).

[@oliverclark5604]

@@jameseverett4976 All the activities of "Catholic" and non-"Catholic" role groups: the Vatican citizens/employees, Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others, and the Italian state Parliament, were advantageously combined on or just after 10 June 2021. This combining was by an exercise of a stable, common sense, law as exercise of an absolute power by Pope Francis of his simultaneous authorisations of his applications of his family member procreation gift ensuring role and his insuring his need of union of his family member identity. This exercise by Pope Francis was in his not knowing his role and his identity but in uncertainty of belief keeping their inseparability and qualitative equality hence out occulting the occult evil of the alleged embezzlement of Pope Francis' procreation role gift charity donations as a helper of the family within the family and an unacceptable risk of fraud on Pope Francis' insuring his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate joined in marriage by his vows to man in Christ . This out occulting was on the reference point of Mary at Luke 1:29-45 and at least me from 25 February 1991 on this reference point of Mary in my both acting and being, as confirmed by a direction of me by the letter to the Brisbane, Australia parish I served as a catechist addressing me from Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Laity Vice President, Bishop Paul Cordes, dated 28 September 1994 (ref. no. of letter to me from the PCL, dated 24 June 1994, referred to: 874/94/S-61/F). Prefect of the Pope’s Penitentiary, Cardinal James Stafford, in his piece on “The Year of the Pierasmos: Reflections on Humanae Vitae, 1968” wrote: Saturday, July 26, 2008 Humanae Vitae - The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968 By Cardinal James Francis Stafford “Lead us not into temptation” is the sixth petition of the Our Father. Πειρασμός (Peirasmòs), the Greek word used in this passage for ‘temptation.’, means a trial or test. Disciples petition God to be protected against the supreme test of ungodly powers. The trial is related to Jesus’s cup in Gethsemane, the same cup which his disciples would also taste (Mk 10: 35-45). The dark side of the interior of the cup is an abyss. It reveals the awful consequences of God’s judgment upon sinful humanity. In August, 1968, the weight of the evangelical Πειρασμός fell on many priests, including myself. … “The whole people of God, including adolescents and children, must look into the abyss and see what dread beasts are at its bottom.”

[@1WorldStory]

We've needed a clear, concise, compelling addressing of Progressivism for a long time. Great introduction. Looking forward to the rest.

[@Thomas-dw1nb]

Especially from a Catholic source. We need a strong, and clear Catholic response to current ideological trends.

[@oliverclark5604]

"Progress..."" in 'be-ing' and process of 'do-ing' are inseparable and qualitatively equal in the multiplier in economics. When we do not keep or allow this IS and QL=, we experience economic turbulence, e.g. hyper-inflation, depressions. The work of the Oxford University, UK, Institute of Agricultural Economics on food production process from 1953-69 and of the Archdiocese of Melbourne, Australia Institute of Economic Progress from 1969-c.78 on economic progress under the same director, Colin Clark (awarded a Papal Medallion by Pope St Paul V1 for his work contributing to this Pope's Encyclical Letter, "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, teaching that "union and procreation" in marriage are "inseparable") led to Pope Francis de facto on 10 June 2021 adding 'qualitatively equal' to "inseparable" for "union and procreation" in marriage by his exercise of an absolute power of his simultaneous authorisations of his applications of his: (a) ensuring his procreation role charity donations gift in the Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others' alleged embezzlement of his charity donations, presently been heard on criminal indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, (b) insuring his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud on this insuring by him by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill, defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note sent to the Italian government by his Vatican state Secretariat of State authorised by Pope Francis. I believe that "Progressivism" needs to shed its "ivism" to keep or allow its inseparability and qualitative equality as progress in 'be-ing' identity with 'process' in 'do-ing' role.

[@paulmitchell2916]

Concise? Wokeism? Just his name for everything he disagrees with.. his vocabulary vastly exceeds his capacity for any real conceptual analysis.. this far at least..

[@oliverclark5604]

@@paulmitchell2916 yes, I agree, this far at least, on "his vocabulary vastly exceeds [this presenter's] capacity for any real conceptual analysis". Is this because he does not keep the inseparability and qualitative equality of his conceptual thinking analysis and his affective emotional having faith in this keeping in uncertainty been belief (cf. Luke 1:29-45)? In uncertainty, I believe so. Do you?

[@oliverclark5604]

@@paulmitchell2916 Further, our keeping or allowing in our associating together in uncertainty of our belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of our ensuring our procreation role gift and our insuring our need of union of our identity requires in our exercise of an absolute power of our simultaneous authorisations of our applications of our procreation gift role and of our insuring our need of union in our identities the advantageous combining of all the activities in education in sexuality and true love of all the understandably disparate helper of the family role groups: e.g. orthodox, traditional, progressive, other religions even atheist, on each of us in our role-identity as family members of consecrated marriages, either male female vowed to God or celibate vowed to man in Christ, exercising this absolute power. This is what happened on 10 June 2021 in Pope Francis' exercise of his absolute power of his simultaneous authorisations of his applications as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ of his: (a) ensuring his procreation role gift in the case of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees' alleged embezzlement of his procreation role gifts as a helper of the family within the family, presently on authorisation by Pope Francis of criminal indictments been heard in his Vatican state court, (b) insuring his identity in need of union in the case of an unacceptable risk of fraud on this need of Pope Francis by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill, defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill authorised by Pope Francis from his Vatican state Secretariat of State to the Italian government. Let us have Pope Francis as our reference point, as he has Mary mother of Jesus as reported at Luke 1:29-45 for his reference point as "she who [in uncertainty] believed", for our keeping or allowing in uncertainty of belief this inseparability and qualitative equality; that is, keeping or allowing covenant, non-presumed reciprocity, of this ensuring of our procreation gift by us and this insuring of our union need by us (cf. Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter, "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: marriage has: "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation", completed by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 adding 'qualitatively equal" with "inseparable".

[@ForestAOrmes]

Looking forward to watching/listening to all the lectures. Thanks for making them available.

[@fritzz3733]

Thank you Dr. Matthew

[@eroberts718]

Thanks for starting this conversation in such clarity! Great job!

[@thomasreiter2367]

God bless you. For speaking the truth with honesty and warning about all ideologies.

[@conornagle9528]

Word On Fire Ministry is a massive blessing in today's discombobulated landscape.

[@Retrogamer71]

The social intellect of Catholic society is that which lifts mankind to civilization and its defense. The Word on Fire Institute is in our day demonstrating our passion with the attributes of excellence.

[@oliverclark5604]

to Retrogamer, Yes, when advantageously combined with the social intellect of all other helper of the family role activities by an exercise by consecrated marriage identities-roles, either celibate vowed to man in Christ or male female vowed to God, of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of its applications of it ensuring its helper of the family procreation gift role and it's insuring its family member identities need of union as given us as a reference point by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 in the matters of: 1. alleged embezzlement of his charity donations in his role as a helper of the family within the family by Vatican state citizens/employees, Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others, presently been heard on criminal indictments in his Vatican state court 2. an unacceptable risk of fraud on his insuring his need of union of identities in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against it authorised by Pope Francis from his Vatican state Secretariat of State.

[@bukurie6861]

Thank you for your Lecture😍🌏

[@insertnamehere6659]

I am very, very happy that the focus here is on the Catholic perspective, and not centered around any secular ideologies.

[@bmac2792]

YES YES YES THANK YOU FOR THIS

[@robertdages5392]

I wish lecture 3 would pop up for a listen.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

Looking forward to this series.

[@dixonbuttes]

Very excited for this series!

[@shawnnatola1930]

Love this. Keep it up!

[@AlbornozVEVO]

completely accurate lecture. true totalitarianism has never been attempted.

[@josephcandito]

Excellent series. Keep up the good work. We need these resources.

[@hadamerryweather577]

Catholic Social Justice. Not Wokism, not Liberalism, Utilitarianism, post Modernism, nor Libertarianism. I can't wait to hear the series. Yes, our Church needs to take to task and have input on Identity Politics! It is destroying our society through policy that does not resonate with all and which consequently cultivates SEPARATISM. Thank you, looking forward.

[@joejohn1492]

The author clearly wraps in almost all of the “isms” currently in vogue in modern western society. Unfortunately I fear that most will focus on the progressive version of wokeism and pretend that the criticism of progressive wokeism does not equally apply to the conservative theistic ideological version. For an example of such wokeism I suggest we look at the testimony of Ginni Thomas at the Jan 6 Hearings. Her statements were stunning in the degree of Wokeism exhibited. But we have no catchy label to apply so it appears to go without notice to the “Non-Woke”. Wokeism in all its forms, “anathema sit”.

[@EcstaticTemporality]

Agreed. Best to provide a full account.

[@Kirin2022]

I'm delighted to learn that Word on Fire has a Servais Pinckaers Fellowship--what a way to honor the great contemporary Dominican theologian that has done more than anybody to revive Thomistic virtue ethics!

[@oliverclark5604]

to @Kerin2022, the virtues in consecrated marriage, both male female vowed to God and celibate vowed to man in Christ, taught by St Thomas Aquinas were utilitarian in practice and in ethics since he did not know, as he could not, the female active contribution to procreation conception in marriage. Hence the false status inducement of consecrated celibate marriage being a "higher vocation" (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family 'teaching" in TTMHS, 1995, 35; cf. St Paul's opinion at 1Cor7:25-34; Pope Pius X11, SV, 1954, 24; Vatican Council 2, OT, 1965, 10; Pope St John Paul 11, FC, 1981, 16, than consecrated male female marriage only corrected de facto by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 by his exercise of an absolute power of his simultaneous authorisations in the matters of: 1. alleged embezzlement of his procreation gift ensuring charity donations in his role as a helper of the family within the family by Vatican state citizens/employees, Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others, 2. an unacceptable risk of fraud on his insuring union of identities in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ.

[@Kirin2022]

@@oliverclark5604 Your writing is a more than a little garbled so it's a bit hard to say what you are saying. But if you are criticizing St. Thomas for holding consecrated celibacy as a higher vocation, you are quite mistaken to think he is particularly responsible for that understanding (long held by the doctors of the East and the West), although he has some particular rationales for justifying it, which it it not clear you get right since you throw in irrelevant considerations. Historically, the imposition of mandatory celibacy on the clergy of the West is not based arguments for spiritual superiority but rather as an EFFECTIVE reform that largely erased pervasive corruption due to nepotism. Corruption, including financial corruption, in the contemporary era is intimately connected to to homosexual networks (e.g., every American cardinal appointed by Pope Francis is part of McCarrick's mafia). Homosexuality is also a violation of consecrated celibacy. Most importantly, you need to speak to your spiritual director, a good confessor, or a competent & holy theologian about how to overcome your spirit of cynicism because you are causing damage to the Body of Christ with slander (even if it mostly grounded in ignorance).

[@oliverclark5604]

@@Kirin2022 My para no 2 should have continued: "... by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill defeated in early November 2021 following Pope Francis authorising a protest note against it by his Vatican state Secretariat of State to the Italian Government." My para no 1 should have continued: "... presently been heard on criminal inditements in Pope Francis' Vatican state court. I see the reason for purporting presuming "higher vocation" of consecrated celibacy is diseased family member 'familyists' for their families' economic advantage of tax-exemption by embezzlement and lower insurance costs by fraud grooming psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members with this occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, non-economic, false status inducement (of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ being a "higher vocation" than consecrated male female marriage vowed to God).

[@Kirin2022]

@@oliverclark5604 Your arguments are full of nonsequiturs. You are consumed by anger, bitterness, and resentment and thus reveal what has mastery over your soul and that it's clearly not the Holy Spirit. You speak in righteous tones but with none of the spiritual solicitude of the saints. Instead of working with good reform minded Catholics to fight the evil you sit on your high horse indiscriminantly condemning all by association. Pray more, troll less. If you are wanting to be on the side of righteousness, you can begin by listening to wisdom from Word on Fire more and speaking less until you have entered the world that you presume to judge.

[@christopherk222]

The philosophical foundation is postmodernism / Derrida. (6:37)

[@oliverclark5604]

Keeping or allowing inseparability and qualitative equality of progress and process is the meaning of the 'multiplier' in economics. Pope Francis kept or allowed this IS and QL= on 10 June 2021 in his exercise of an absolute power of his simultaneous authorisations of his applications in the matters of: 1. alleged embezzlement of his procreation role gift charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others, presently been heard on criminal indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, 2. an unacceptable risk of fraud on his insuring his need of union of his consecrated celibate identity by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note against this bill to the Italian state government authorised by Pope Francis by his Vatican state Secretariat of State.

[@nicknothing638]

Thank you for this important series!

[@TheTimmyThomShow]

This is so well done

[@Hoseaistheone]

We shall see...

[@christopherk222]

This is Foucault. (4:46)

[@iqgustavo]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:04 🧙‍♂️ Contemporary Progressive ideology, also known as wokeism, uses ambiguous terms to assert moral supremacy and silence critics. 03:02 🌐 Progressive ideology has gained dominance in various sectors, making it a prominent cultural force in the US and Europe. 04:38 🔍 Progressivism appeals to socio-political power for identity groups and addresses social injustice concerns. 06:12 🧪 Progressivism lacks a single philosophical foundation, incorporating various ideas to form a complex ideological framework. 07:34 💪 Understanding and assessing progressivism's conception of power, how it exercises power in society, and its ideological components. Made with HARPA AI

[@freedomfields5569]

Why isn't this series on the WOF app?

[@jdotseven]

Convinced Catholicism is the last holdout for Christianity. Hold the line!

[@johnpglackin345]

@@davehester2007 Pope Francis is not really Catholic. Since he is a progressive, what he says and does has no value. Essentially he is an evil man.

[@Spectre2434]

Excellent introduction. Very Jesuitical

[@billbobaggins992]

The location of every noun in the universes as future points of contact

[@sherris.2402]

So wonderful to have an explanation for this cancer that has so quickly permeated our society. It has attempted to confuse and disorient people and this series I am sure will give the clarity that we all crave.

[@RM-tr7bk]

I have listened to the entire series. I cannot point to a better presentation of the ideas behind the current ideological virus referred to as wokeism. This is absolutely excellent material.

[@EcstaticTemporality]

When is the next lecture?

[@SanctusFidelis]

Next week!!

[@kellymathews6615]

Oh dear. If the channel starts sounding like Jehovah's Witnesses I'm going to have to say this may have moral arguments, but ethically and philosophically is not deep as say medievalists like Aquinas, Augustine, Pisan. Calling it the Frankenstein of academic theories could be argued for many philosophies, that provide foundations for each other. The end of the lecture sounds more promising. Frankly, Machiavellian motives seem to be on all sides these days, and even this lecture seems such a tactic. I'll check the next lecture. I am curious how the lecture will address individual rights which are a basis for human rights in Western Civilization. These attacks on identity being idolatrous, seem to overlap those core Western values which are also attacked by the far left, who strangely also are about identity. So I'd hope this would be addressed.

[@a.j.cattapan2625]

You're using the word "woke" incorrectly. "Woke" is a word that grew out of the black community, and it means to be aware of injustices, especially racial ones. Some racist people didn't want to engage in discussions about the sin of racism, so they've been trying for the last few years to make "woke" mean "progressive." Sadly, a lot of Catholics have fallen for this twisted meaning of being woke. I really hope the WOF crew stops using this racist definition of the word. See Gloria Purvis's explanation here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmfUcq2rhbafbJY

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

the sin of racism? Is everyone born with this sin or is it only white people and what is the point of these discussions you wish to have?

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

I notice many homosexuals don't want to engage in discussions about the sin of homosexuality. Do you think the Church is doing enough to foster a sense of importance in having these discussions?

[@a.j.cattapan2625]

@@mr.horrorchild4094 I would hope the discussions lead people closer to Christ.

[@josephcandito]

Any identity placed before Christ is an idol.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@a.j.cattapan2625 🎯

[@presidentschneider]

Ironically, the description Dr. Petrusek offers in the first 2 minutes of the video applies to American conservative/Evangelical ideology beginnings in the 70s. Conservative ideology enjoyed all the governmental, corporate, and culture influence it now criticizes the "woke" ideology for using. It seems the conservative factions of the Church are simply mad they've lost that influential position rather than criticizing the fetishism of the position itself.

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

As a marginalized group the conservatives are simply speaking truth to power

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

Also I would be interested in some examples of conservative ideology's influence after the 70s.

[@brucebarber4104]

@presidentschneider 🎯

[@HAYAOLEONE]

The 'buck angel' question...

[@WilsonMourino]

Not on one's side, because nobody is on MY SIDE. I look forward in signing up.

[@clc2432]

Very nice overall analysis. However, the use of wokeism and progessivism as synonyms is a linguistic sleight-of-hand. 'Progressivism' is as much an opaque abstraction as 'conservatism' or 'catholicism'. And because these broad terms defy a clear, singular definition/meaning/ideology, they can be easily utilized for straw man arguments. Myriad progressive movements have incrementally moved our society toward social justice goals of equal opportunity, fairness and equal protection under the law for all citizens, regardless of religious proclivity. In many ways, 'progressivism'' of the past becomes ''conservatism' of the present (voting rights, desegregation, due process, etc).

[@andrewelliott1939]

"Power, expanding it and maintaining it" is the one thing that unites MAGA and the far-right GOP. But you fail to mention that. Worrying, and undermines your credibility.

[@asillisaalexander1044]

This initial evaluation is skewed right. I look forward to hearing more and hope to hear how you back up your claims. Progressive thought is diverse. One group calling for the dismantling of police, while another calls out for farm subsidies describes more than one ideology.

[@MissPopuri]

Progressive thought is indeterminate hogwash. Dismantling police forces or farm subsidies or even cash for clunkers are indeterminate, sentimental malarkey of the worst aspects of society. Why do people want to dismantle police other than to be free to commit crime without immediate repercussions? Farmers need incentives to grow crops because they are in a bind with the weather every year. It can cause a panic which could lead to a depression.

[@johnpglackin345]

All progressive thoughts and agenda is evil. If you want to help the farmers either buy their food or give them charity. The government should not be involved.

[@johnpglackin345]

@@davehester2007 it's a horrible take.

[@TheTimmyThomShow]

No this initial evaluation is spot on

[@minorityvoice9253]

It's not right or left. It's an objective evaluation of its philosophical structure. There must be a balance of the weight of individual rights as it relates to the communal good, as there must also be a cautious application of governance for the common without unjustly restricting the rights of the individual. Thus the descriotion of this series is to ceitique these philosophical rooted ideologies with the lens of Catholic understanding because Catholic means universal but also "of the whole".

[@mikethemonsta15]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

[@PhilipShawn]

The " right" to PROVOKE"

[@christopherk222]

Again, Foucault. (6:25)

[@Ericviking2019]

We need to worry about the Pharisees in the church more than anything else.

[@johnpglackin345]

No, the liberals and progressives in the Catholic Church. They are not really Catholic.

[@Chordus_Gaius]

The Church is big enough to deal with a lot of issues. So the Pharisees are being dealt by people like Michael Lofton.

[@Spectre2434]

Can Aquinas save us ?

[@Spectre2434]

A CATHOLIC social work perspective would be interesting

[@oliverclark5604]

With catholic social 'do-ing' work procreation gift role process is needed as kept inseparable and qualitatively equal is family identity 'be-ing' in need of union progress. This gets rid of the "... iavisms".

[@lucillejerome5511]

@@oliverclark5604

[@oliverclark5604]

@@lucillejerome5511 Yes, one's name is inseparable and qualitatively equally a work or process in progress; that is, who I am, and progress in a work or process; that is, what I do.

[@ansond6372]

How would you ever have survived during the protests and demonstrations during the late '60's and early 70's? I'll bet you would have even found something compellingly wrong with the ERA movement.

[@PhilipShawn]

The " right-to-'trigger'"

[@richandrews8954]

@ExactNumber Vladtheimpalerism: "Every woke head on a pole along every major highway." This was your post wasn't it?

[@AlbertoMonroy-lq2vw]

Protagoras would love the current world status.

[@theicnot]

Eto nasega Petrusica,,,,,Uvik na pravu stranu,,,,

[@amexicanladyonthesoutherncross]

A new "brave new world"?

[@andrewelliott1939]

I wonder whether you are aware of how incredibly smug you come across? It's interesting how you didn't mention how the term woke is also thrown around by those on the right as a dismissive, insulting term meant to undermine so-called wokism; a catch-all term to insult and dismiss anyone on the left.

[@danielmandigo636]

Ideology=religion in the sense he is using it. Replacing Christianity with another religion not eliminating religion as they say. Religion is the only basis for morality. With out a transcendent God morality is just opinion of man. That's a problem. Who's opinion do you choose? Usually the one with the most power (biggest government)

[@Belisarius80]

Exactly! Without the moral authority of the church, justice becomes the opinion of the powerful.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Dan: How is god moral when he murdered babies and children, as well as he thinks slavery is alright? Even Jesus said nothing about slavery and its horrors.

[@yogibear2522]

Watch "Are Critical Race Theory and Catholicism compatible? | Think Like a Jesuit, Episode 3" on KZbin

[@gemeinschaftsgeful]

To be fair, you should also speak on the rise of right-wing fascism.

[@vfigueroa3042]

Will follow lectures so I can see his viewpoint. But the reason marginal groups advocate for social-political power for themselves is to improve quality of life. Power and access are rarely shared by those in charge but must be demanded by those without power, and access.

[@richstadter9643]

I don't think that is accurate, at least as it is applied today. Whenever groups attain power, they restrict others from power. Tolerance is urged prior, but is dismissed, along with pluralism, once power is achieved. There is no reason to solve problems, as they are tools that are used. Our only hope is faith and obedience to Jesus Christ.

[@brucebarber4104]

vfigueroa3042 🎯

[@brucebarber4104]

@@davehester2007, that's an interesting observation. I hope WOF doesn't allow extremism to infiltrate them. This video causes me to be suspicious.

[@johnpglackin345]

@@davehester2007 Bishop Barron is a moderist. If you are a progressive you are not Catholic. Their is no middle ground. You must choose one side or the other. If you choose the middle ground than you are lukewarm.

[@MTF0718]

Them you have missed the point of these lectures, find your identity in Christ, not the world. As soon as you envy others and demand the same as everyone else, you have made the things of this world your idols.

[@commercialrealestatephilos605]

Wokeism is a means to acquire what you want without the requisite sacrifice.

[@musiclist4792]

Uncharitable and I ask you to read the section of the CCC on the 7th commandment very carefully.

[@alfredchavez8049]

What have I missed? My understanding at least was that woke-ism is a highly subjective term. How can anyone argue against such an indefinite ideology?

[@MissPopuri]

This is what is so insidious about wokism. Indefinite has no way of determining boundaries beyond what they have determined is a push to go further and further away from home. Progressive means pushing forward, and it recoils at any congress or friction. If they could kill their opponents like the Soviets did after 1917, they would do so under the guise of pushing society forward. Unfortunately, Russia has a long way to go in ways of recovery for all the progress their forebears have made to give the people a chance at a better life.

[@johnpglackin345]

Because wokism and progressives are evil. If you are not conservative than you don't follow Christ.

[@danoregon]

I really don't think the subject matter is as much of a threat to society as those who oppose it seem to think. I do think people have somewhat "replaced" the teachings of faith, with their own political and social world views, taking things like "helping the poor, doing unto others, and respect for their flellow man" and secularized it - and perhaps been empowered by it that has led to fewer people going to church - since they feel they "live" their beliefs 24/7 in how they interact with others.I guess I just don't see the difference between someone who justifies their actions by defining themselves as woke, or someone who defines themselves as Catholic. There are extremists in both camps whose actions permit opponents to dismiss both groups.

[@johnpglackin345]

You have to choose one side or the other. Their is no middle ground.

[@josephcandito]

Foundationalism

[@southernlanie]

Woke is not that simple. Being woke is about conviction. It's about seeing racism or another form of hate and not being able to unsee it no matter how badly so called conservatives want us to. To say it's all about silencing our opponents is offensive. BTW, you conservatives have made offensive comments over the years to try to silence us. Calling us murderers, saying you're pro-family (as if we're not), calling out liberal women and claiming they're really men, calling yourselves alpha males. The list goes on and on. I realize you didn't do all of that, but many from your side did, do to point the finger at us for having convictions is wrong. They're convictions. We're sticking to our morals because it's the right thing to do, not to silence an opponent. You guys have acted morally superior for years, don't point that finger at us.

[@brucebarber4104]

🎯

[@WillyWoods]

If you were going to inform the public about a movement in an informed and intellectual way, why would you use as the title your lecture series a term bandied about the movement's enemies as an epithet? Judging from the title, it sounds more like Republican Party propaganda than Catholic social thought.

[@johnpglackin345]

Catholic thought is conservatism. If you are not conservative you are not Catholic. Or even a mere Christian.

[@johnpglackin345]

@@davehester2007 By being even handed they became lukewarm "Catholics ". They have mistaught the Catholic faith and it's true teachings many times. That's why many of the pews are empty.

[@brucebarber4104]

@user-xk4..., you've hit the nail on the head. This is nothing more than republican propaganda. One only need research the etymology of the term 'woke' to discover why they are opposed to it.

[@IronDeath79]

​@@johnpglackin345 Conservatism is better aligned with other political ideologies than as a description of being Christian/Catholic. In this day and age, it's probably better to clarify your position using a different term, whether than be traditional, or simply Christian, as opposed to conservative.

[@johnpglackin345]

@@IronDeath79 if you are not conservative you are not Catholic. That's the main point. If you have any progressive or liberal preferences than you essentially reject Christ and His Church.

[@TJ1920]

Thank you 🙏 for a rational explanation of what is happening today in our political economy social media culture that we all live in today It sounds like some people have hijacked the society that we all live in today to form it into there own type of society where if you disagree your banned from objecting and are suppose to meekly submit your views or opinions into silence and simply go along with what the louder stronger voices of the day are voicing I firmly reject this form of discrimination where once again the silent majority are left out in the cold this sounds more like communism then democracy which the previous generation went to war over became to many people kept silent and paid the price for it

[@richandrews8954]

Also is it not highly concerning that this video generated such comments below as ExactNumber Vladtheimpalerism: "Every woke head on a pole along every major highway." Is that not the promotion of hate and violence that can be provoked but such careless rhetoric

[@richandrews8954]

@@anotherlook6930 Where have I silenced anyone ?? I riased an objection

[@richandrews8954]

@@anotherlook6930 You seem to be projecting your fantasy of an offended 'Wokeist'. I raised criticism and objections to the tone and language of the lecture. You are welcome to disagree with me. That's called freedom of speech.

[@richandrews8954]

@@anotherlook6930 I am raising objections and criticizing the tone and manner of the framing of the debate. I am saying careless rhetoric can embolden prejudice and potentially encourage an atomosphere that facilitates violence. The word "provoke" was too strong, But I do notice no one objected to this 'joke' but several people have objected to my criticism of the tone of this video. I am stating the construction of the arguments should have been better considered - that's hardly a demand to 'cancel ' and 'silence' the issues discussed. I think that's been more in the perception of the objectors than it what Ive actually written,

[@richandrews8954]

@@anotherlook6930 - That's why I said surprised and disappointed in my original comment, as normally WoF and Bishop B have some intellectual ballast and thought given to their content

[@richandrews8954]

@@anotherlook6930 I think they have a responsibility to be careful with their output given how high profile they are and how many people view their content. These debates are vitally important so how they are conducted is really important too. thanks you, and I wish you a Happy and Blessed Christmas

[@gregmathews6586]

"Woke" means that one is aware of social injustices inherent in our society. "Woke" and "wokeism" are used almost exclusively in the conservative media in a vaguely defined way that is purely pejorative. "Wokeism" is less of an ideology, to which Dr. Petrusek has elevated it, than a divisive political term. In my experience, users of that term are guilty of exactly what Dr. Petrusek criticizes the "wokeists" of -- shutting down a differing view by way of claiming moral authority. As a long term and devoted follower of Bishop Barron and Word on Fire, I sincerely hope this series is not taking a political stance. Politics is destroying our Church, just like it is destroying everything else (families, communities, schools). I go to Word on Fire for spiritual guidance, not for more politics.

[@johnpglackin345]

Our Faith is to inform our political and moral decisions. You cannot separate the two. If you are not conservative than you are not Catholic.

[@johnpglackin345]

@@davehester2007 let's pray they move to the Right which based on God's Divine Truth. Progressive and wokism is evil.

[@juanpc3852]

Dear Greg, Woke is not being aware of social problems, that is the pious claim in which the vast majority of activists fall. Woke is identity fundamentalism. Woke is to pervert the concept of social justice, when justice is always social and intersubjective, but to separate the concept of justice from that of merit transforms equanimity into victimhood and vitiates the concept itself. Woke is the Frankfurt school made hegemonic (in Gramsci's sense) and turned into common sense. It is the denial of individual responsibility and blaming any problem on superstructures that we can call systemic racism or heteropatriarchy. It is giving the victim a moral and epistemic authority, judging people by their gender or the color of their skin instead of their character. It is having an absolute right to resentment and to project that resentment onto others and adhering to a victimization creed that entitles me to claim compensation at the expense of a 5-year-old white boy. Woke is the most harmful thing that has happened to an infantilized society that seeks to institutionalize injustice through the clothing of solidarity and compassion. Woke does irreparable damage to free societies.

[@brucebarber4104]

@gregmathews6586 🎯

[@dragonfox2.058]

sounds like privileged men to me

[@leylinegoddess]

The meaning of WOKE is aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). ‎Stay Woke · ‎Synonyms and antonyms for... · ‎Wake

[@johnpglackin345]

Racism is a false issue. We are all racist. Incuding you. You cannot truly end it.

[@leylinegoddess]

@@johnpglackin345 then talking about the insidious racism cannot be called woke. it is important to discuss. right?

[@fishhy9720]

Are you also against the political system of democracy? If most people value progress then you have no choice but to accept it. Even if you don't like it. You have 2 choices. Persuade most people to see it your way, or dismantle democracy itself and set up your catholic theocracy in the United States.

[@TopShelfTheology]

I dunno which direction you're going to take this, but let's tease it out. In a democracy, majority opinion is the forced direction of all the citizens. If the majority opinion is wrong, well... Too bad, you're going with them. So you have to pit yourself against your neighbors and win a lot of arguments to convince them to vote how you vote, which is to say, correctly. But, like sleazy ads, the cheap and emotional punch is more effective than the appeal to reason. In Machiavellian terms, the pity-me factor of wokeism will crush even the most obvious argument like "all the cells in your body have two X chromosomes even after sex change surgery and hormones and cross dressing as a man," or "two men can't reproduce," etc. Somehow obvious facts are beaten by trite "Love Wins" yard signs. So in a democracy it behooves you to appeal to emotion rather than reason to win the game. Better break out the "God hates f@9$" picket signs. Alternatively, you don't leave control of governmental power up to mob rule. You put it in the hands of someone with their head screwed on straight - they don't even need to be right all the time, just rooted in reality, say like Musk or DeSantis - and do not allow emotional arguments to matter a damn bit, by giving them absolute monarchical power. If just that one person has no consequences for saying "No, that's retarded," you end this entire dishonest mess before it gets off the ground. And if you want to name upwards of 10 tyrannical lone leaders as a counter example of why monarchy is bad, great. I can list about 100 popes and thousands of kings and queens who kept the peace over the course of written history (and note: if not much was written about some of them, that means they did a satisfactory job, not a bad one; "bad" would have been remarkable), and point out that over the same time period, a democracy that lasted longer than 200 years was nearly unheard-of. Monarchy, for all its faults, is proven to work in the long run. We can revisit rules around accountability and succession, but absolute rule by one, is just plain effective, responsive, and denies duplicitous morons like these a voice. "Ohhh but Top Shelf," you say, "There wasn't peace in all those years of prevailing monarchy! There was constant war!" Pray tell, how many wars has our great democracy stuck our nose into when it didn't outright provoke them? Are you aware of the gaslighting FDR had to do to force Pearl Harbor to happen? How we convinced ourselves to go into Korea, or Vietnam? Or Nicaragua, or Afghanistan in the 80s? Or meddle in Rhodesia's affairs, or Syria, or Yemen? What about taking back the power we installed in Iraq, or Iran, or even Afghanistan in 2021? How about playing footsie with Burisma - I mean Ukraine? Yes please tell me about how much peace the guillotines of democracy have brought us compared to monarchy. Need I remind you that both Hitler and Stalin were democratically elected? The idea that monarchy is inherently dangerous is laughably ignorant of history, as is the rest of Progressivism.

[@christinewerner6207]

Yes, of course I am against mob rule. Luckily, I live in a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

[@danielmartin2331]

I think you're halfway there already. Just take the next step and admit that democracy is in fact not a desirable system.

[@TopShelfTheology]

@@christinewerner6207 Luckily? And does it have to be, forever?

[@siervodedios5952]

The United States of America is, at least in theory and on paper, a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy. I despise democracy where mob rule is so prevalent.

[@dougwigginton3983]

Please explain why wokeism is idolatry

[@sandrapetersen4003]

The intro sounds very similar to the slogans thrown around by right wing conservatives and the MAGA movement. Oh well, false ideologies go both ways…..imagine that

[@brucebarber4104]

@sandrapetersen4003 🎯

[@johnpglackin345]

So you like being evil. The Democrats and progressives are evil. Since they support abortion, sod - omy, and theft by taxation. You people are destroying the United States of America and Europe.

[@andreylebeuf1304]

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? Is he not advocating labelling all politics as being woke if not based on religion?

[@theaccountwashackedbycriminals]

Well, if I were actually better than you. What would you do to die for what you have portrayed. And I want to tell a person or others really good better than me will they become such explained by you.. . Its terrible to abuse others because you cannot be legitimate. Each human will be only what they are. For example a non medical can never think medical personal thoughts and a irresponsible will never want even to acknowledge the service. At the sane time those knowledgeable are never God who would be always above reproach. They might he worst than any other because they have reals og humans. Woke type words are by hungerers that lack something... I don't know... so abuse for need of pride.. Which they cannot have maybe... .

[@perrytornado]

All ideologies are perilously stupid hypocrisies/ An ism is an ism is an ism/

[@christopherland4104]

I would prefer not hearing anymore talk of Thomas Merton and Dorothy Day from this ministry, they would be ashamed. and stop trying to rephrase their positions by using the whole "thats not what they meant" gaslight attempt. We need truth more than ever today. Not misguided political rhetoric from our religious leaders. 😢

[@johnpglackin345]

Dorothy Day was s socialist and not really Catholic.

[@richandrews8954]

I am really surprised and disappointed that Word on Fire repeats such stereotyped tropes and caricatures of progressive views. 'Wokeism' is a pejorative and mocking term to 'extremify' and 'freeze' progressive views in their most absurd. It's an uncritical regurgitation of conservative complaints about 'leftism'. Very disappointed this was not a more mature conversation about the engagement of differing social views and how faith might inform our relfectiosn on them . Rather than a respectful and serious critique, the speaker uses the language of a fictional created monster Frankenstein that " intellectual monstrosity" that is "stomping .. aggressively disoriented" throughout society, patronizes his perceived opponents at best as "well-meaning but naive". This is hardly the language of a sober discussion of the issues but smacks of rhetoric. Where is the reflection on what value some critics of the established order may bring,? Where is the reflection on how his own political , social and inteelctual bases might impact his response to them . I feel this piece lacks geuinine intellectual integrity

[@AladerPoop78]

Progressivism lacks intellectual integrity. Its is a materialist and totalitarian ideology

[@richandrews8954]

@@AladerPoop78 'Progressivism ' is no more a single monolithic entity as 'Conservatism' . There will be elements within that spectrum that lack integrity and that will be elements that have an act with the utmost integrity. Just like conservatives. What I was suggesting was this lecture lacks integrity due to its careless use use of perjorative images, rhetoric and massive oversimplifications.

[@AladerPoop78]

@@richandrews8954 Progressivism is materialism. It is opposed to Christianity. It early thinkers want a socially engineered society based on eugenics and scientism. I did my graduate work on its intellectual roots. Early progressives were admirers of Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.

[@richandrews8954]

@@AladerPoop78 You don't appear to be responding to my points. Rather, you seem to be repeating a set of statements. Even the lecturer in the video stated that there is no single 'Progressivism'. The term comes across as a shibboleth on which to project a distillation of fears and anxieties. Dorothy Day, Thomas Merton, Jacques Ellul, Gustavo Guiterrez, Oscar Romero - none of these people are materialist. Yet all opposed an established conservative order with bred excusion, prejudice and discrimination.

[@richandrews8954]

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 where have I said that I am offended????? Please point out that reference. You are displaying the oversimplification and polarisation that is problematic in the lecure.

[@antoniomoyal]

Well done Word on fire we need a Church speaking the truth clearly, unpolitically

[@johnpglackin345]

Our Faith informs us of our political decisions. You have to pick a side. Their is no middle ground.

[@antoniomoyal]

@@johnpglackin345 the side of Christ

[@johnpglackin345]

@@antoniomoyal The side of Christ is conservative. Conservative moral values, divine truths and political agenda. By not choosing a side than you are I directly choosing Satan. Which is progressive, liberal and socialist.

[@antoniomoyal]

@@johnpglackin345 so when Jesús lived was he a pharisee who were the conservative at the time? Was he a pro-roman invaders? Was he a liberal because he ate with prostitutes? Don't project yoursel on God. Rather, let God project in you so you become less of you and more of him. God is simultaneously conservative and progressive because he is the beginning from where we come from, and the end were we are going to. God lives in an eternal present, not in the past nor in the future.

[@spinningbacksidekick]

Someone needs to tell the Pope that it's time notice what's going on.

[@oliverclark5604]

to @Butchzzilla, Pope Francis has told us "what's going on" on 10 June 2021 in his "reference point" (TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) on the matters of: (a) alleged embezzlement of his ensuring procreation role gift charity donations as a helper of the family within the family by Vatican state citizens/employees, Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others, presently been heard on his authorisation on indictments in his Vatican state criminal court (b) an unacceptable risk of fraud on his insuring his need of union of identities in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ by the Italian state Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill, defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note against this bill authorised by Pope Francis to the Italian State government from his Vatican state Secretariat of State.

[@fredchavez4166]

"Wokeism" is now being applied to the failure of a bank. This course was badly conceived. It has a lot of great points but it needs to be separated from such a squishy term as "woke."

[@caballosinnombre3981]

The opening litany is pure conservative projection... bla bla bla.

[@johnpglackin345]

If you are not conservative than you are not a Christian.

[@brucebarber4104]

@caballosinnombre, it sure is!

[@marcospagan2929]

This is rich coming from the Catholic Church. Almost every accusation leveled here could easily be applied to religious ideology. Difference? Religious doctrine has objectively harmed and destroyed more people for longer than the supposed "woke" agenda Dr. Petrusek offers up as the newest "monster" we all must fear. Considering the source and available facts throughout time, this lecture is hard to take seriously.

[@stephensuddick1896]

Dorkism - the Phantom of the GOPera of political obtuseness.

[@bobmagna]

Thumbs down. This is just a right wing political writer using Word on Fire to spew his politics. For perspective, this guy also writes for “the Federalist”. Really disappointing that this partisan does Word on Fire videos. I really like Bishop Barron.

[@andrewelliott1939]

Seeking to crush? Again, you could be talking about MAGA and far-right GOP. But, again, you didn't.

[@leylinegoddess]

as if understanding these ideas was a total insult. thank you. calling somebody on their ignorance is not an insult. yes you are calling people who are very aware and hold opinions about it are woke is insulting. i am being polite by saying thank you. your ignorance is showing.

[@christopherland4104]

Totally out of character for the WOF ministry. the Elon Musk approach of attacking progressives isnt working out real well for him. Disappointed that WOF continues tainting its ministry with right wing/fascist politics......

[@leylinegoddess]

@@christopherland4104 agree

[@brucebarber4104]

@@christopherland4104 agreed.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@leylinegoddess 🎯

[@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275]

You don't know what you're talking about.

[@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275]

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 Dr. Matthew Petrusek, the man speaking in the video, who does not know what he is discussing

[@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275]

​@Sanctus Paulus 1962 probably because he is blinded by his own ideology

[@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275]

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 he is exaggerating and strawmanning what he calls "progressive ideology". he is using a lot of buzzwords but saying nothing of substance. what are his sources? which thinkers adhere to the system he is criticizing?

[@johnpglackin345]

@@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275 does not need to. Progressive thought and agenda is evil.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275 🎯

[@clif25]

What planet does this guy live on? Or did I miss the implementation of a single payer health care system in the USA? He says progressives have taken control of government. Right? 😂

[@lucycoppes4256]

Maybe if we focused on the massive moral failings of in name only European Christian society in the 20th century, we would have a credible leg to stand on when it comes to secular progressivism, especially the more radical aspects of it. The church should have learned this lesson from WWII and the Holocaust and the resulting Cold War. What do we do instead, double down on our hubris and show how weak and insecure we are that non-believers are doing the things that non-believers do. Please just stick to evangelism and edification of the saints if you are not able to speak intelligently on politics.

[@mry5892]

Oh, please. Get over yourselves.

[@elainealbury6882]

Quite disappointed in this lecture from Word on Fire. It is too close to getting political and could be a major turn off to young people.

[@johnpglackin345]

Your faith is to inform your political decisions. Since young people vote now they are helping to destroy people's lives and this country.

[@brucebarber4104]

@elaine albury, it's very disappointing. It sounds like what the evangelical protestants who believe in the 7 mountain dominionism heresy are saying.

[@sabrinatiahrt3062]

While i agree with the truth that God made man for His design and He made them man and woman, and that Christ proclaimed that the devil is the prince of this world so there is some sort of prosperity to be temporarily gained by following dark ways, I think this lacks empathy for those who have been confused by satans tactics. the devil preys on what is good and attacks Christ from the outside by attacking things like truth and family and loving oneself without idolizing oneself but this world is confusing and we are all weak and easily decieved. Maybe I am naive but i dont think most people who fall into wokeism are doing it for the money or political gain. most of the "woke" people in my life have very kind hearts they just havent been introduced to concepts like objective truth and false charity, that to love someone is to will their good not to always give them everything they want. In short teach your woke friends and family if you can gently and mercifully about objective truth, the beauty and benefits in submission ( like not having decision paralysis and constantly being plauged by fear in trusting someone who loves you to make decisions for you), and that God is Truth and Love and Light.

[@TheMahayanist]

Wokeism aka defending freedom.

[@usenwill]

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 This is crazy talk. There are no Democrats I know that believe this stuff.

[@johnpglackin345]

No they are oppressing people and leading them to the wide road.

[@derestwillow1853]

I am gay

[@Stella-uy6gx]

You are a child of God with free will to choose Good, Truth and Beauty! May God bless you , enlighten and strengthen your will!

[@derestwillow1853]

@@Stella-uy6gx to late i already transitioned can't stop won't stop also I am pagen a good religion compared Christianity, my forefathers practiced it before fucking Roman forced there shit on my people.

[@Stella-uy6gx]

@@derestwillow1853 why Are you still commenting on catholic pages then? Are you not sure of your choices?

[@derestwillow1853]

@@Stella-uy6gx no I just think how funny you people are you listen to authoritarians are fucking great to laugh at

[@derestwillow1853]

@@anotherlook6930 I am gay because I am trans I like men and women so either way you view it I am gay hehe

[@robertprokop1649]

Please, WOF, stick to the Gospel and steer clear of politics. This is beneath you.

[@johnpglackin345]

You can't ignore politics. Unless you want your head in the sand. That's how you people elected Obama and Biden.

[@robertprokop1649]

@@johnpglackin345 I helped elect Obama and Biden precisely BECAUSE my head was not in the sand. I refused to look aside when their opponents separated families at the border, ignored the plight of families unable to access quality health care, ignored our despoilation of the planet (read Laudato Si), and worked to disenfranchise voters and gerrymander districts in order to win elections.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@robertprokop1649, 🎯 AMEN! God Bless President Biden.

[@josephcandito]

This is about metaphysical commitments.

[@johnpglackin345]

@@robertprokop1649 thanks for helping destroy the country and bring oppression to the world. You also support abortion and breaking the Commandment of thou shalt not steal. Oh and you committed voter fraud twice because you fully knew Obama was not a natural born citizen and Biden has Dementia when he was running for office.

[@richandrews8954]

The lazy and careless rhetoric of this 'lecture' is provoking 'jokes' of violence and hatred like the one from @ExactNumber on puttin 'woke heads on a pole' . Word on Fire should reflect on this.

[@richandrews8954]

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 I totally agree that People are individuals. That's why I don't think 'Progressives' are a monolithic boogey men . There is evidence in the political arena that exgaggered rheotic does encourage acts of hatred and violence

[@johnpglackin345]

And what's wrong with that. Since you group has full control of the United States and Europe we must fight against you to take back control of the country. Since your side uses false issue and commit election fraud to steal elections.

[@richandrews8954]

@@johnpglackin345 What group? You don't seem to be reading what I am writing. I am not 'Progressive' as you would say. Do you disagree with elections? What form of government should there be instead?

[@johnpglackin345]

@@richandrews8954 you are all under the same group, progressive, socialist, communist. You intent is to destroy lives and this country. If you don't live conservative/ Christian values and truth than you should move to China.

[@richandrews8954]

@@johnpglackin345 You are literally not listening to what I am saying. I am not socialist. I am not atheist. Who are you shouting at? Are you saying anyone who doesn't think exactly the same as you should either be subject to violence or expelled from the country?

[@awokencatholic]

"Discrimination is real, but only in the historic past" 😅