Wolf Girl and Black Prince - Our Most-Hated Shoujo Anime

[@RobGradyVO]

So its The DENNIS System as an anime

[@Percival917]

The what?

[@alibrennan5977]

Percival917 that episode of it’s always sunny in Philadelphia

[@mysticblue0222]

I love you for this. Kyouka clearly needs to get a boat for the “implication” And also you have the same name as my Dad, I for-see good things for our relationship at least until our legal separation under bird-law.

[@RobGradyVO]

@@mysticblue0222 this is when i wish I could "Ha Ha" react X'D

[@RobGradyVO]

@@mysticblue0222 wait your Dad's name is "Rob Grady" ????

[@mat1413]

This anime was so popular that I wondered if I’m the weird one for not enjoying it. Turned out my 14yo self knew what’s a healthy relationship.

[@guidorodriguez96]

Too bad toxic relationships don't come with a nice anime intro

[@Momoofx]

I watched it when I was Like 16 and I never got why she was into him but I rewatched it the other day excepting once again to not like it especially since I’m in my 20s now and it honestly wasn’t that bad at all, still in saying that when dealing with damaged people they can get like Sata and be resentful of people and the fact that she saw through that and kept pushing him to be better is amazing. There pretty cute in the manga through and especially since they drop the whole starting premise it basically ends up like say I love you

[@blarg2429]

@@guidorodriguez96 Neither does this show though.

[@mayomayomayonaise6521]

Sameeee

[@marcen7067]

Yes! Everyone loved it when it came out and still love it and I never knew why. I literally thought I was the only person who didn’t like it. It made me feel super uncomfortable. I hated how he treated her and how she kept staying with him. Now I know that he was mentally abusive to her and I hate it. I get that she’s also kind of annoying and awkward but she didn’t deserve to be treated that way by him.

[@brucenatelee]

Okay, greatest synopsis ever: Adorably naive clout chaser tricks herself into an abusive relationship!

[@cassif19]

If it were presented differently, that could be a great anime! Imagine this in the hands of Satoshi Kon (The Perfect Blue director)

[@confusedbruhhh6132]

Actually in the manga you can see him change its just the anime that portrayed a tiny bit of the actual story

[@heyitsgabe1093]

No,thats the title of another light novel. XD

[@userid7407]

*into multiple abusive relationship

[@desmondmalone438]

So Basically most Shoujo manga/anime in a nutshell

[@frickinfrick8488]

Why does it feel like there isn’t a single writer who understands that bdsm/unusual relationship dynamics are predicated on love and consent??? You can’t just go up to people and treat them like shit and act like it’s hot because it’s an extreme relationship dynamic, there needs to be consent involved, this isn’t a hard concept to grasp! Without mutual consent it’s just abuse!

[@Vashy434]

Sunstone, look it up.

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

@@Vashy434 Holy shit, I just looked at a few pages on Google Images, and their dynamic is really fucking cute! Thank you!

[@MrMatheuslego]

I think the problem is that most people that are in the position to put "bdsm stories" out there and get big audiences, and are interested in telling those stories, are both *really* vanilla, and pretty damn conservative. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually think they're just supposed to write glorified abuse, and are writing because they find it "weird" and "absurd"

[@Rognik]

I think most people don't understand the difference between danger and the illusion of danger. When they want a fantasy, they don't want all the actual rules, but the real danger. It's still just a fantasy, which is why people don't usually care that the BDSM elements are all too real.

[@Veefive5]

@@Vashy434 Hell yeah, Sunstone is fucking amazing

[@sascuashmirrunakaren]

I am so tired of people defending this anime because he has a "sad backstory" Sad backstories DON'T justify abuse

[@dzbania6857]

@@helen4361 So if they weren't dating then abuse is ok?

[@alexket3581]

@@helen4361 someone not getting away from abuse doesn't justify abuse, this anime glorifies the idea of "if you're head over heels for someone and they abuse you, you're the stupid one and you don't deserve sympathy"

[@Mistaonya]

Overall tho in the beginning ye I thought wtf like why is he being like that like that is toxic but as they finally got into a relationship and when I read the manga there was no toxic relationship and it was good Erika’s lies and kyoya stupid shut had gone and they learnt from their mistake I like this show so ye it’s shit at the beginning but as u watch and read more of it it gets good so it’s fine but that is my opinion yk😁

[@Chrryc0la]

*im looking at you Sangwoo and Yoonbum*

[@loregoblin3854]

I think a perfect way to illustrate this is to look at another series that does this better. I almost feel bad even mentioning him here because he is so much better than this, but let's think about Kyo from Fruits Basket for a moment. at first blush, Kyo is the prototypical male tsundere. he acts brash and stand offish, and as you learn more about him, you start to really care about him and understand why he acts that way. but Kyo's backstory actually goes a long way toward explaining how he became a broken person with a flawed outlook on people and relationships. when Kyo was really young, he was very severely rejected by people who were supposed to love and care for him, for reasons that he had absolutely no control over, or ability to fix through effort. naturally, this destroyed his entire sense of security, and led to deeply ingrained trust issues and self loathing. Kyo acts rough and stand offish because it allows him to control how he is perceived by others. he doesn't trust other people's positive emotions... he doesn't know how he lost the love of his family, or what he could've done to prevent that. none of it makes any sense to him, so he sees other people as a total mystery, and getting invested in them feels like a gamble that could get him really hurt all over again. if they hate him because he makes himself a nuisance on purpose... that's predictable, and makes sense, and he feels in control. and he's spent so long like this, that it is honestly painful for him to start trusting someone again, even if it's happening because someone is proving themselves to be trustworthy. the more he loves someone, the more it could potentially hurt to feel rejected by them. he anticipates that immediately, and everything he does is an attempt to defend himself. Kyo is a good example of how you write a character with a bad attitude and a sad backstory, in a way that makes sense and is used effectively within the narrative. Kyo starts out as this prickly, hurt, awkward kid, and he _needs to change._ not just for the sake of those around him, but for the sake of himself. his life will get better if he heals. the story is about repairing the damage that the characters have experienced, and you see Kyo try really hard toward that end. because eventually he realizes that if he isn't careful, he could come off as the one who is rejecting people and hurting them. he knows how that feels. he doesn't want to cause that. so he makes conscious efforts not to act badly toward people who don't deserve it... eventually, he will learn for the sake of others, and it is _not_ smooth watching him try to do this. he's obviously embarrassing himself pretty badly in a lot of cases, which is a high stakes game for someone who fears rejection and reacts really badly to shame. but at the end of the day, Kyo is only hurt so badly by rejection because of how equally badly he wants love and acceptance. this is the core cathartic appeal of characters that have to gain redemption. you cannot just write some blasé, disaffected asshole with a sob story in their past, and handwave abusive behavior because of it. not when there are so many more characters who you can see trying desperately to be good, even if they aren't already good at doing so. when done properly, characters like these are there for people who haven't lived perfect lives, and don't know if they deserve to feel love, or what the road to being loved might look like for them. when a writer tries to use these archetypes without actually putting in the work, it's basically just insulting.

[@TsunKnight]

She forces him to watch anime at Nerf-gun point? Peak relationship goals

[@mr.thomaswaffles6700]

And she is extremely hot ero cosplayer

[@Theworldofef]

Better than this anime

[@Strannik01]

@@Theworldofef "My Wife is an Ero Cosplayer Who Forces Me to Watch Anime at Nerf-Gun Point," the light novel.

[@-.heaven.-]

@@Strannik01 Yes, best rom com ever.

[@Strannik01]

@@-.heaven.- I'd watch it

[@Honey-hs8xg]

They get married. They get married and it’s so bad.

[@fedechan6325]

Do they have kids?

[@Jess-jc2wx]

Rosa Robles i feel like she eventually stands up for herself. And you find out why he’s abusive and she comes out clean to her “friends” and kinda starts being true to herself and the girls decide to accept her for who she is. And he eventually does what she wants. I still think it’s wrong her relationship with him and girls shouldn’t suffer through that till the guy fixes his issues.

[@Lola-yo7kn]

@@fedechan6325yes a daughter

[@Honey-hs8xg]

Jessica Garcia She’s got low self esteem and a negative body image for herself at one point and this dude made it worst. And it should have never been her job to “fix” him when she herself had emotional problems. Her standing up for herself after words didn’t feel like she truly valued herself because she kept relationships that were obviously toxic. In the end of the story nothing was truly gained.

[@byatiq2340]

They have kids and a cute kids. I love how Sata love his wife and daughter so much in manga. I like manga better.

[@kayohwai]

Sounds like a story about relationships written by someone who has no clue about actual relationships.

[@GarnetReaper]

Lol the 50 shades of anime almost

[@brandonwithnell612]

yep its the classic, only jerks get the girl so ill write about a jerk whos actually a "nice guy"

[@nadyanathania3847]

no no most fanfic writers often times don't have irl relationship experience either but they're not garbage like this

[@kayohwai]

@@nadyanathania3847 they could still perform due diligence through research, interviewing couples, etc. Similar to how most media portray the wealthy as spending opulently without regard to cost, where most people who spend that way aren't wealthy for long. Most don't get upset because most people aren't wealthy, and that perception of wealth insulates and glorifies the wealthy.

[@PaladinGuy]

@@GarnetReaper I was just gonna say, "Ah, so E. L. James?"

[@uwillnevernoewhoiam]

i feel like this anime was the fantasy of some lady who is secretly a sadomasochist, but at the same time has no idea how a healthy relationship works.

[@Mysticgamer]

I wonder...did the fifty shades of gray make it to japan?

[@lukejackson2354]

Mysticgamer there is a video called “fifty shades of Budda”(not the actual anime’s title, but still it’s a hilarious video) from another channel and it mentions that they apparently changed a law or found a loophole to show Fifty shades in Japan.

[@MarcelWilsonLynch]

Oh you mean fifty shades of grey the anime?

[@lukejackson2354]

marcelkat search here on KZbin fifty shades of Budda and you’ll understand if you watch.

[@Fanimati0n]

E.L. James?

[@bryal7811]

I love how the explanation for the plot doesn't sound all that bad. You can see the potential of this fun, back-and-forth secretive romance story where she discovers that social popularity and acceptance isn't what it's cracked up to be. He'd probably show his good sides by trying to help her out and even give advice but she's too wrapped up in trying to impress the unimpressionable. Then the 2:00 mark of the twenty minute video hits.

[@MessiahBoi]

bryal but why do all shows have to be that way? Why does every show have to be uplifting? The same goal of showing her it’s not worth it can be achieved in the way the show goes about it. It’s not like he even wanted to be in a relationship with her to begin with, so why would he be nice and help her as the most popular dude in school?

[@bryal7811]

@@MessiahBoi I don't think I said it had to be, just that the typical rom/com would go in that direction. The problem with the anime/manga is that it doesn't explore both sides of the coin and shows little to no faults of the male lead. The author does not challenge the idea of his decisions being wrong or incorrect in anyway. If it were to be of a darker tone but still well written, she'd do a 180 and bring it back to him. Even worse, she could devolve into how her "friends" act. I could see a hypothetical plot-arc about a newer student being exploited by Erika. Whether the story takes a positive or negative turn doesn't matter. Wolf Girl and Black Prince is still surface level and poorly written because it doesn't dive into anything about it's theme and doesn't bother trying to challenge ideas on abusive relationships, social popularity, social isolation or the importance of following/not following it.

[@tyrant-den884]

The real pain for me, as a writer, is how close they are to being a good idea.

[@Scheherazade-pr4jt]

If he really didn’t want to do it, he could’ve said no? Since he chose to agree, I don’t see that there’s any reason for him to be an asshole other than he is an asshole.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

That's actually kind of the startingplot of "Hoshino, close your eyes". The main girl is part of the popular kid, and wants to hide her other side from her friends, so the main guy (who is at the bottom of the school social ladder) ends up doing her make up. (Except her friends are genuine friends, and it's more about our heroes fighting against peer pressure and their social insecurities, with romance slowly developing over time)

[@nothingpenguin7576]

As someone who was in an abusive relationship, shows like this are EXACTLY what made me stay so long, I thought his behavior was normal.

[@ded4lyfe1]

That's super sad, and a case to why these things should not see the light of day.

[@ded4lyfe1]

@Madelyn Kyle irresponsible. That's the show's fault. Can and is done without harmful framing.

[@SolStJohn]

Soooo.... 50 Shades of Grey, KidsBop edition?

[@JoshtheOverlander]

God, that's an amazing way to put it!!

[@gracereiffenstein5888]

A more accurate title for this anime would be: “Kicked-Dog and Prince Dog-Kicker”

[@butternutyeeetsbanana.-.5389]

That actually makes more sense lol

[@MarcelWilsonLynch]

Oh no you forgot the actually good love interest who actually sought out to treat erika decently and with respect who she rejected for the guy who abused her🤦🏽‍♀️ forgot about that part

[@trika91]

I've seen that so much in shoujo where the female lead always chooses the bad boy. She gets demeaned and abused by her so called "love interest" daily, though manages to meet a guy she can get along with, treats her with respect, and has romantic interest in her; but no, she ends up with the bad boy cause he was either first guy or there's just something about him that makes him more exotic. That or the make the nicer guy turn a 180, making him a possessive jerk out of nowhere, and bad boy has to come in to save the day, looking better by extension though never changing.

[@MarcelWilsonLynch]

@@trika91 dude truly! I've seen that so many times in so many romances. The one that comes to mind right now is bokura ga ita and itazura na kiss which I just don't understand the fanbase for when the male leads are so obviously abusive smh but that's...appealing? I will say though the thai adaptation of itazura na kiss is the best as it removes the toxic and abusive relationship and is quite enjoyable👌 but like the fact that there's a large fanbase for these abusive relationships is mind boggling

[@trika91]

marcelkat The two manga I can think of that were semi-popular with horrible male leads were ‘Kyō, Koi o Hajimemasu’ and ‘Hot Gimmick’. The guy in Koi Hajime at least sort of changes, but gave the female lead so much crap before getting to that point (he was only getting good towards the end). The male lead in Hot Gimmick never changes, with it ending on a downer of the female lead “believing” she can change his attitude with marriage. The only manga that I can think of that did the bad boy trope well was ‘Hana Yori Dango/Boys Over Flowers’. The females lead took crap from the male lead’s antics, but she gave him crap back. She didn’t fall in love with him instantly, forcing him to jump through hoops and change his attitude just to win her over; and he became a better man in the end, deserving her more than the second male love interest (who was the wishy-washy type).

[@lizzie6946]

Ah of course, the guy who treats her nicely is the one she won't choose TT. This is why sometimes i don't invest on reading shoujo mangas cuz I always end up getting hurt since I always root for the second lead....

[@MarcelWilsonLynch]

@@trika91 omg I haven't seen hana yori dango in it's entirety but I have seen meteor garden. I hated it truly and honestly. I can't do abusive leads where their behavior is condoned and rewarded it put me off watching any other adaptations because of how badly he treated the female lead

[@arielleh2353]

Diabolik Lovers is the worst anime I have ever watched. It’s absolutely worse than Wolf Girl and Black Prince.

[@AlbinoAxolotl]

Yeah I started watching it thinking “there has to be something more to this... right..? RIGHT?” but it was just one awful, irredeemable thing after another! What do people get out of something like that!?

[@arielleh2353]

Oh my gosh, yeah. It’s like, the “romantic” punchline is always slurp kink (I would say bite kink, but it doesn’t focus on that, just something akin to the sound of someone who doesn’t know how to use a straw properly?), insults, or actual sexual assault????

[@lucinda3964]

I have a friend that watched that all the way through (and she's new to anime), and when I ask her about it, she just seems shell shocked.

[@Heyyitsmesheila]

same , I think that anime is terrible. I went in to watching it because' '' ooo cute vampire guys", but the abuse just throws me off and even good looking anime guys can't save it.

[@shizotypical]

when i watched it, it made me wnat to play the game hoping that it's better... sadly i don't have a console

[@FlubbedPig]

Abusive relationships was not the kind of horror I was looking forward to this month.

[@QuinSkew]

I forgot the name of this one but I stopped watching after like two episodes cause it was weird to me. It had this school president girl doing a secret job thing at a cafe to pay off bills or something and a dude was blackmailing her because he found out her secret.

[@agirlsrambles]

@@QuinSkew Is the anime called Kaichou wa Maid sama you're talking about???👀

[@VocaFan4ever]

@@QuinSkew yeah! I've always felt it was weird and unsettling. In fact, if it happened in real life, Misaki (the maid girl) would probably be very stressed instead of feeling wooed by a very creepy guy who puts her in awkward situations when she's already stressed about her family's financial conditions. Tbh I bet if Usui (male lead) wasn't handsome, it would be a whole other story!

[@GaspingEgg]

Wolf girl doesn’t even fit! She’s not a wolf! That would imply that she’s wild, untamable. She is neither of those. The title doesn’t fit, the anime is terrible, and just- it shouldn’t exist!

[@Psychodegu]

She is a wolf girl because she is hungry as a wolf.

[@letsreadtextbook1687]

@@Psychodegu more like malnourished dog

[@ajkity]

She was wolf girl because she kept crying wolf. She kept lying about everything.

[@Aliexster]

Still if she shifted to Crinos and mauls a few people, that would make the series so much better.

[@maestrol6771]

Is this what homids do when they attach to humans? I suspect that guy is a soon-to-be Pentex member...

[@spellinwaiting5290]

Aww man, I was hoping from the title it would be some fantasy romance about an actual wolf girl and an actual prince. That would've been right up my alley.

[@MABfan11]

watch Wolf Children instead

[@letsreadtextbook1687]

Well it's titled worst shojo, what did you expect? Not anime but you might want to check Blind Prince and Liar Princess game if you like prince x wolf girl dynamic.

[@tav7312]

@@MABfan11 that movie was so sad

[@eevee1583]

Ever heard of the Liar Princess and the Blind Prince? It's exactly what you just asked, but it's a game.

[@OlOleander]

In case they didn't already convince you, here's another recommendation for Liar Princess and the Blind Prince. It's sweet, it has some decent puzzle/platforming, the gameplay gimmick doesn't wear thin, and the story is actually kinda charming.

[@BattousaiAMV]

Thanks god shows like Skip Beat exist and get a better rating than this show. It's the total opposite with strong, female leads that put an end to men abusing them.

[@avalonperez3806]

THAT WAS MY FAV ANIME! Finally a shoujo lead whose life wasn't dictated by relationships with men! I love how she breaks free from a bad relationship, and discovers herself, and the story actually focuses on her discovering her dreams and healing and becoming her own person! The male lead has to walk at her pace, and when she's ready for a relationship, it's because SHE decided it, and it's HEALTHY for her.

[@Moonlight-op4qo]

Eccentric. Skip Beat is greatness

[@Mcyxof]

I wish Skip Beat got more to its anime. It deserves it. I love that manga so much :D

[@euqisnow1047]

Preach it, I reread the whole manga Everytime and wait every month for update s

[@InLucyHeart]

I love this manga 💕 Kyoko is the best shoujo manga protagonist of all time

[@VHarlequinxQueenV]

Thank you for pointing out how toxic this show is

[@kingdomkey63]

All listen to queen Beatrice

[@geekynerd04]

Ah yes umineko profile pic

[@violetlovezuzu127]

I like your beatrice profile pic

[@Zhong_li_03]

Trust me and watch it it’s really good and it’s not one but toxic

[@shark-k7j]

It's toxic but I did enjoy it. *Cackle* (I just found another person who has a Beatrice pfp, so happy..!)

[@rue8743]

No one is talking about Itzara na kiss. That shit was sooo toxic it's unreal. Irie was completely verbally and emotionally abusive up until the very end.

[@nkechi4635]

The lowest point for me was when, after all the shit he put her through, she finally says she's had enough and she's going to give that dude witha crush on her a chance. And then he slaps her. He. Slaps. Her. I've never wanted to punch a character so much.

[@ashleystoering7967]

Naoki is the most unappealing supposedly attractive male lead I have ever seen.

[@averageanimefan519]

I've seen the poster for the anime but I've never watched it. A part of me though is curious and wants to watch the first episode though...

[@monicoeurr]

Omg no pls

[@alrun4526]

I was looking for this comment. Yes, Itazura na Kiss is a realistic portrayal of an abusive relationship. Painfully realistic. Pretty much "circle of abuse" the anime, but painted as "omg he is such a tsundere boy kyaaa"

[@TsunKnight]

I honestly don’t understand why that anime is popular. Relationship abuse is not funny

[@bowmanc.7439]

Anything can be funny if you do it right. They didn’t do it totally right but some bits are funny

[@mayaha200]

@@bowmanc.7439 nothing was funny about this anime, it was just bad.

[@bowmanc.7439]

Maya I laughed at it several times. So did many other people. Therefore it is funny

[@mayaha200]

@@bowmanc.7439 I laugh at how badly the comedy was and lame. you can laugh at it but it still not funny at all and bad writing. even 10 years old can write better comedy than this and you found it much more funny.

[@bowmanc.7439]

Maya I think you need better writing skills yourself before you judge theirs

[@TwoCatsInLondon]

The worst part is that this anime could have been halfway decent as a warning/psychological horror where the girl learns the dangers of tying self worth to relationships, potentially attempts to harm herself out of desperation and misery before learning her lesson and leaving all the shitty and abusive people behind to actually pursue her dreams. But it chose to be shit.

[@ACDBunnie]

Yeah, I hate sad endings. I like happy endings that are tied up in a nice little bow, but this is one of the few times where I'd actually want a sad ending without a resolution, where the lead girl suffers because of the lead guy and there's no romantic way to spin it. If the story had a bad ending, I'd actually have more respect for it as an art.

[@mitraj7763]

EXACTLYYYYYY

[@sadoldguy4380]

When she was in high school in the 1980's (I'm old), my sister tried to get approval of the popular girls and got treated like crap and got an older boyfriend who treated her poorly; it ended badly. Now, older and wiser she laughs at them every time they try to get her to go to a reunion.

[@averageanimefan519]

I’m glad your sister is doing better. Sorry she had to go through that. 🙁

[@sadoldguy4380]

@@averageanimefan519 Thank you; she's fine, heck her daughter gets married in ten days.

[@averageanimefan519]

@@sadoldguy4380 Aw! Congrats to the daughter! I'm glad they're both doing well! They have my best wishes!

[@mealiza3364]

im so glad kimi ni todoke exists to make up for this

[@izzybeau8183]

@Bat -chan All my faves

[@bluebirb9]

yea like it’s an actually healthy, adorable relationship

[@crazycarl864]

I'm enjoying these co-op review videos. Just finished JK Haru last week, and it was even better biting-commentary than you made it sound. I think I made it through one and a half episodes of Wolf Girl and Black Prince before I dropped it. My tolerance for anime bullshit is fairly high, but my tolerance for this kind of toxic bullshit is pretty low.

[@SpyHunter89]

This may very well be the first anime to win the prestigious "Genuinely Not a Better Love Story Than Twilight" award.

[@natalielongmire2846]

As someone who watched this while it was airing (aka while I was in high school), the appeal was mostly the fantasy of having the bad guy change for YOU. That there was something special about you that could fix the guy, and though others had tried, you were the only one to succeed. I was able to recognize the abuse in the relationship, but I overlooked it mostly for the reason mentioned above.

[@Hadeshy]

And that's the problem. I painfully know how untrue this is, but how it makes people think this is true. I heard a friend, in an abusive relationship, saying to me "But he's making efforts for me, and I'm the only one who realises it". I heard another one saying that she likes "Boys that she can fix". In real life, it's not how it works. It's not up to a partner to "fix" them, and movies, series, manga and all other thing that gives ideas like that are awfully dangerous for victoms of toxic relationship. I don't want to hear anymore people saying that they can fix their abusive partner. But they're not helping...

[@saladcaesar7716]

Natalie Longmire a male tsundere?

[@tigerswallowtail2540]

theyll never change and its wrong to teach people they will tbh Ive had so many fights with a friend because theyre so certain they can change someone whos just.. not willing to change or doesnt care enough to. :( We all see the appeal but heck we shouldnt mix reality with anime

[@hmsomeguy6107]

To sum both comments up “I wanna fix you.” is kinda rude and not the dynamic. Also the whole fix the guy or fix you is kinda degrading. Like the whole “I don’t really love you but I see the potential if you change.” Is a bit odd. It implies your partner is broken, your in a bad relationship or you don’t love them but you’ll shape them to be lovable. Asshole or not you can’t just destroy someone’s entire identity for reason of feeling good or for them to be deserving of love. I saw a relationship break up like this because though the guy had some trauma the whole nurse you better implied he was sick or broken.

[@idrisredacted1229]

Idk man, I feel like this kind of plot requires The Bad Guy™ to actually have any redeeming qualities besides his face?

[@itrashcant7947]

When this show came out, I couldn't stand it. The mc was annoying and stupid and the main lead was abusive. Their entire relationship was toxic.

[@sabrinalim5746]

True and their love relationship is super bad. I see episode by episode, make me angry btw.... Idk why this anime so popular, their love relationship so bad, the story mess up.....

[@solulaa]

You guys could do a shojo top ten or something to lead stray girls into the right path

[@sofiab.5633]

Sooo...Yuri?

[@nkechi4635]

@@sofiab.5633 Not really. There's very few yuri shoujo

[@artlove1007]

I remember watching this a long time ago. I was on a shoujo kick and I had just finished My Love Story and Kimi ni Todoke. This anime was just so jarring. I couldn't see the appeal. The relationships in KnT and MLS were so wholesome and sweet and then I watch this where the romance is so toxic. I don't understand why it's so popular

[@mysticalninfia]

I never watched this anime cause of hearing how unhealthy and abusive the main relationship is, and the fact its targeted towards Teen girls makes that fact even worse as you said. p.s. The opening song is a bop, but ever since reading a comment on a video of the full song, i can't unhear Japanese avril lavigne.

[@DiegoARL38]

That was precisely what I thought while hearing the song...

[@sanfransiscon]

Japanese Avril is why I love Stereopony

[@louangelamonroy7821]

I never watched the anime but for the live action adaptation of wolf girl and black prince, yes, i watched it. I just wanna say... Erika is such a liar who losed her friends by telling them that she has a bf (which in fact, she actually doesn't have one) and even tho kyouya abused her meanly, she still loved kyouya like.... Wtf! I just wanna yell at her

[@stuffin91]

Who needs childhood trauma when you can make a cheap anime to groom viewers en mass

[@beautifullEternal]

I mean, there’s already lots of porn out there.

[@LynnHermione]

Most people can separate fiction from reality.

[@aprilbennett4161]

Groom viewers? Oh, sure, because overworked and underpaid mangaka "totally" have the luxury of being able to cook up that kind of crap. The creator wanted to put food on the table, is all.

[@radelgirl]

This anime doesn't have shit on Diabolik Lovers or Amnesia

[@megastormy497]

radelgirl yeah I tried to watch diabolik lovers and I couldn't even do it for the memes

[@witecatj6007]

Or 50 shades of Buddha

[@El_doll]

Omgoshhhhhh Diabolik lovers those motherf#####! I hated that with a passion

[@megastormy497]

@@El_doll I have a desperate hole in my heart awaiting a vampire story where the main character isn't helpless, Something like Ouran high-school Host-club mixed with something serious. I would also love if there are multiple MC's Like a male and a female and a mix of genders of the vampires.

[@El_doll]

@@megastormy497, i understand. Its hard pressed to find a good shoujo period. (Especially one that has been animated). Give 'Untouchable' a read, its a manga with unconventional vamps, its more slice of life/ romance/ drama

[@fairycrumbs75]

God, I watched a few episodes a while back. Reasons I tried it out was because: 1. I share names with the heroine even though it's a different spelling. 2. I like the bad boy type more often than not. 3. And straight to the point, I'm a romance anime junkie. I thought this was going to be one of my favorites but holy shit was I wrong. There is only one thing I remember from this show and it's the reason I dropped it. It's the scene where Kyoya (not sure how to spell it if that's even his name) starts being nice to Erika for some reason (can't remember) and then when they are in some restaurant, he drops the act and starts saying the meanest shit to her. I just remember being so fucking pissed and just losing any hope I had for the guy. I was so happy when Erika threw the water in his face and walked out, thinking maybe she'll leave him for good and try to turn her life around to send a positive message to the viewers. But nope, they somehow (can't remember) "make-up" and I lose all patience I had for the show. Dropped it soon after with a sour taste in my mouth.

[@JoshtheOverlander]

I feel you on 2. and 3. I'm a sucker for anime romance and I often love the bad boy types more often than not, but holy fucking Hades in the Underworld, that is not how you do a bad boy type. You don't make a bad boy likable by just making him the least terrible, because at the end of the day, the heroine's still with him and he's god damn terrible. He has to have redeemable qualities and not be FUCKING TERRIBLE!!

[@isaacgray2909]

@@JoshtheOverlander Agreed. Bad boy type can be done well, like Usui from Maid Sama series. But when your bad boy character spend most of his time being shitty toward the heroine, that's not a good sign at all.

[@JoshtheOverlander]

@@isaacgray2909 Oh USUI!! That was a good one, man! I friggin love that dude.

[@Cloverfr]

@@isaacgray2909 I may be wrong since it's being a long long time since I have seen that show but wasn't he like pretty possessive until the end? I remember once he "mark" her body so no one could see her body in the beach? Or the attempt of rape trope, author used to make him look cool? Like the brave strong girl we know could do nothing but being a damsel in distress at that moment, I love Mizuki, just the way author treat her was kind of unfair for her character imo, like, as far as I remember Usui did not change that much in not respecting her boundaries. But I agree, bad boy healthy characters can totally be done right, let that be the golden heart delinquent type or the cold, emotional unavailable that ends up opening for the FL.

[@isaacgray2909]

@@Cloverfr Usui gave Misuki those marks out of jealousy, and yes Usui is possessive when it comes to dude being interest in her. I agreed that Usui is clearly the wrong here, especially since Misuki has proven she can take care of herself. Not saying Usui is perfect, but I felt that he's one of the few exceptions of the bad boy character can be done right. It's just that for Usui, he rarely treated Misuki like shit and clearly doesn't have a "tragic" backstory for Misuki to"fix" him.

[@elfindigo]

The day before this showed up in my recommendations, I found a review I had written for this anime on Google Docs. When I wrote it, I was in the 8th grade and apparently loved it because I personally related to being treated the way the main character was. In retrospect, that should've been a red flag regarding my current mental state. It hit close to home for me and it makes me sad to think that it probably hit close to home for a lot of other young girls.

[@BestGirlYazy]

DJ Elfin hey, same though. I wasn’t super comfy bringing it up in the video but at the time of me first watching it, I was multiple years into an abusive relationship that I really hadn’t woken up to, and I actually kind of enjoyed watching it.. it was really a wake up call when I went back to finish it and realized how much dangerous stuff I missed. I think that’s one of the reasons I feel this one is more realistically harmful than something crazy like skip beat that involves idols and seems more like a fantasy. -yazy

[@missalice557]

Oh my god, while watching this, I was thinking "Kimi ni Todoke would never stoop to such a terrible level, people should just watch that instead". And then you mentioned it!!

[@barbarellastudio5911]

Its kinda sad that "toxic relationships" stories can be popular specially among girls, that means a lot feels identify with low self esteeme.

[@PanPaladin]

This show is a whole can of Mike's Hard Yikes

[@MangoTurtlenova]

Can confirm, am named Mike

[@Joyride37]

Ryan Thom thank you that genuinely made me laugh

[@eloquentpotato]

More like the whole pack

[@xeno-thecorgiqueen]

Being in a relationship with Dio from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure seems healthier than this show's "couple".

[@Kmisiete]

This comment this is it 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

Yeah, say what you will about Enrico Pucci, but he is DEDICATED.

[@victor.trujillo]

Its Spice and Wolf meets Fruits Basket, but in the wrong way.

[@bones_4013]

its their brain dead r*ape child

[@monus782]

So basically the anime version of your average YA romance

[@darkdream1469]

Lol

[@beautifullEternal]

Yes

[@styxthistle497]

Yass that's what I was thinking

[@TheJacobG]

"unfortunately enjoyable" is a great phase.

[@Zircaa]

exactly, when I added this to my playlist for the good song, I always immediately go to click off the actual video.

[@bigmonkey7530]

Can we talk about how much boys after flowers communicates similarly toxic messages that is ignored to be haled as a classic series for the ages

[@PaladinGuy]

"Girls like it when you're mean!" "I don't even know you exist, therefore you want me!"

[@Jonadiah13]

How can you be so flippant, yet so desirable?

[@MyselfandComics]

Kenpachiramasama!

[@hanahiryuu3439]

I can’t believe I enjoyed the show as a 15yo. I think one of the best shoujo relationships is one from Kimi ni todoke. It was slow yet beautiful.

[@avalonperez3806]

Agreed! That show was so precious and wholesome and I just felt good watching it! Both leads were actually likeable people who I'd hang out with in real life :)

[@alourasilverman8746]

a worse shoujo anime that is also under reverse harem genre (& is a popular one sadly) is diabolik lovers. Just the WORST EVER. To be honest many of the relationships in shoujo anime/manga are bad ones for many reasons that needs a lengthy essay to list all. One time I pretty much went through a quest to find a shoujo anime/manga that represents a healthy relationship so I looked through many source materials & the first time I found one, I felt like I wanted to give some kind of prize to the one who made it. So in summary it is rare to find healthy relationships in shoujo. Many times I just wished that the heroine would grow up & realize that she could be in a better relationship a healthy one, but then most of the stories ends with marriage, so I don't know I just hope that the targeted demographic reads & watches those stories just for fun...

[@trika91]

‘Kimi no Todoke, My Love Story, High School Debut, and Say I Love You’ are some good shoujos with wholesome/healthy relationships. ‘My Little Monster’ is a cute take on the bad boy formula where the male lead is just extremely wild with limited aggression control, but it very sweet and openly affectionate.

[@paulgap7012]

Maybe they love diabolisk lovers or have not yet watched it

[@hiimnormal6285]

@@trika91 don't forget Kamisama Kiss, Yona of the dawn, and the OG OHSHC

[@angelawang293]

Wolf Girl and Black Prince is the toxic relationship that is literally in every Chinese webtoon.

[@trika91]

Oh, I started getting bombarded with Chinese manhua on certain manga sites, and after reading a few, I can say you are absolutely right! Most, if not all, romance manhua starts with the female lead getting raped by the male. She’s usually drugged or drunken, tricked into the male lead’s room (or wanders in by accident), and he has his way with her, cause woman in my bed. The rest of the story is random drama the female lead must face, while the male lead pursues her (forcibly) to make the person he slept with his woman.

[@damyantisundi7874]

That why I stopped reading these Chinese romance mahua .

[@elektrakomplexet]

I’ve only read the manga but I don’t remember it being this bad. In fact it was actually pretty darn good, but this description makes me wonder how much they changed the anime from the manga.

[@josephinegarcia6883]

I watched the anime and read the manga, manga is better but I think they made him slightly worse in the anime.

[@LaineMann]

It actually wasn’t that bad. If was just kind bland

[@vedamk3358]

I also remembered liking the manga when I was younger so I am unsure how the anime got really bad :P

[@vedamk3358]

However I agree that it wasn't the best shoujo ou there

[@catb6195]

We need more shoujo anime that talk about relational aggression like gaslighting, ultimatums, verbal abuse, isolation, and other forms of manipulation. So many times if a show wants to portray an abusive character, they just have them hit their spouse, but manipulative abuse is usually the red flag that leads to physical abuse.

[@Gumerical]

I'm pretty sure this anime helped delusion me into romanticizing an unhealthy relationship I was in at like 19 lol. And I don't have any romance animes to reccomend, but you should give Kuma Miko a watch cause that is a dumpster fire of an anime that left me uncomfortable for like a week.

[@KrystineBrown]

When people say Maid sama is problematic l, show them this. I couldn't get past 2 eps of this show. The only good thing about it is the ending theme.

[@spkd_np]

_people call maid sama problematic?_

[@spkd_np]

@Velociraptor516 AKA HJM yeah,,,, the actually makes some sense

[@jackies2236]

"Look a flying Yorkshire terrier!" That's it. That's the best part of the anime.

[@toetotipthatsabart5048]

If it was me, I’d rewrite Wolf Girl and Black Prince like this : Our protag is caught up in the lie like before, but when she asks him to help her keep up the lie, he says no, saying that it would only put more eyes on her. She says how that’s all she wants, popularity! He shakes his head, but agrees to help her out, on one condition : he gets to treat her badly in public. They establish a safe word and phrase to tell him to stop berating her when they’re in public together, and they go through with it. This time, her popular friends are concerned for her, and are actually her friends. He treats her like garbage in front of them, and they start to think he may be a shitty guy who doesn’t deserve to be popular. He’s enjoying it, but she doesn’t understand why. She starting to really hate the attention, avoiding hanging out with her popular friends, but she doesn’t know why. She wants to be popular, yet, she has these conflicting feelings. It culminates to the protag having to use her safe word, because she starts to panic and cry. She runs away, and he runs after her, apologizing and wiping her tears. This is where he explains his motives : he hates being popular, and wants desperately to tarnish his reputation. He’s tried getting into fights, doing embarrassing things, and even went as far to stop doing the things he’s passionate about because the attention stresses him out. He grabs her hands, puts his face onto them, and says “You want my life so badly, but I know you now! You would never be happy with it!” She gently pulls his face up to hers, and says “You know what. I think you’ve taught me a lot.” and kisses him. The moment gets a comedic ending by him falling backwards comically, and the final reveal of his character is that he’s never been kissed! Her popular friends were watching from behind the bend, and they hoot and holler for their friend. Both the protag and the guy are embarrassed, yet, they get swept up in kind praise from a few close friends. And that’s all they wanted. His popularity continues to dwindle, and she enjoys the independence of not having the school’s eyes on her. She encourages him to pick up glassblowing with her, to which he shrugs, and ends up really enjoying the sketching and planning process. They go to a college together, he learns how to construct different glass statues and vases, while she learns how to create them. They open a small business together, have two kids, happily ever after.

[@IamEL1979]

Now that would actually be adorable, if only.

[@Percival917]

Just putting this out there: Thumbnail Yazy reminds me of Asuka, the pro wrestler.

[@Arausito]

got me confused too since she started her own youtube channel

[@kalan0chan]

This reminds me of a manga called Hot Gimmick. It was equally horrifying.

[@daisataurus2147]

Omg i remember reading that!

[@samflood5631]

What’s so bad about that manga?

[@TheXPR3]

The moment that pun sinks in was such a genuine moment, makes these off-script things really fun to watch!

[@sigh824]

So this is: What if Light from Death Note never found the Death Note

[@lucyk8935]

Bat -chan i think they were just saying that light is a manipulative dick, besides, if he didn't have the death note there would be no reason for his and misa's relationship

[@kara9516]

My friend made me watch this when it first aired so that we had something to watch together and the only reason I kept watching every episode is because I wanted to know if he would get better or nicer and there relationship would work out and be a cute couple but no it was just he's a arse he never got better

[@Devimon4000]

You want to know something sad? I've seen tons of Shoujo manga like this. The "abusive boyfriend with power over girl, but he has a sad past and one time he stopped a rapist and another time showed something almost but entirely unlike graduate so its okay" is basically a genre. Also one that has unfairly used as the "face" of Shoujo mostly I think because it makes it easy to dismiss all things girls like as morally repugnant.

[@damedaxe]

Hello people, I'm happy to say, that this Video gave me enough to think and want to talk about, that I found the motivation to make a comment. Thank you for that, this doesn’t happen often with me. I saw "Wolf Girl and Black Prince" back when it aired which is about a long time ago and I don't really remember too much about it. The thing I recall is hoping for a specific plot point to come true, which never happened. In my mind I hoped he intentionally played to be a bad guy to push her over the edge. Maybe recognizing that having a horrible boyfriend isn't worse keeping some wrong friends. At which point she might break ties with everyone, just for the guy to become apologetic and admitting, to have done bad things to help her make a right decision. Hopefully even accepting that she should not have any romantic feelings for him but proposing that a decent friendship might be better for her. Of course, this never happened. This is a bad show I didn't even rate on MAL because I wasn't sure enough of my opinion to rate it truthfully to my taste. The only Anime I ever watched and considered worse was the Animation for the Visual Novel from Amnesia, spring 2013. I know the Visual Novel is considered to be good, but that Anime didn't translate well. It sits currently on 6.28 with nearly 96,000 users having seen it, which is probably still too high even for MAL standards. So, if you consider making this reaction "style review?" on another Anime I would be happy if this might be considered a contender. Thank you for the good Content.

[@honeysucklebunny5932]

I feel like y'all would have some strong words abt vampire knight if you've seen it LmAOOO

[@myeeeeeh]

Even worse, Diabolik Lovers.

[@yesiamdureyes8396]

Ik this comment is late but fr I watched it and when I was younger and like for some reason I loved it but like now I'm like a wait a damn minute abt it. I honestly really didn't like the relationship between kaname and yuki at all and I wasn't a big fan of yuki and zeros relationship much either.

[@ghazalsjoberg8251]

Vampire knight wasn’t abusive... WHAT?

[@SpiderLantern]

I find it interesting that the manga for this started about four months after 50 Shades of Gray was released.

[@iithewaterhashira]

say no more

[@coolbeans545]

YES. FINALLY. It's crazy how many people, mostly girls, actually love mangas/animes/webtoons like this one. I never really understood them. Concepts like how the MC bullies the heroine and the heroine just sucks it all up like some dumb bish. It annoys me to no end how they portray girls as if they can't think for themselves, and goddamn I hate how they freakin fall for the MC despite all their bad traits like how??? I'm in need for some good shoujo. Definitely good ones would be Dengeki Daisy and Highschool Debut. Those girls actually have the guts and the brains/heart. I could actually relate to them and they're just... not shallow.

[@nayussysuccer]

I recommend watching Kimi ni Todoke and Lovely Complex. The couples there are pure.

[@thepotatoguy5542]

This is basically the beginning of Skip Beat x10 the anime. I find it bizarre that no one else made a video about this dumpster fire of a series. For any that looking for a good shojo series check out Skip Beat, Lovely Complex, and Kimi ni Todoke

[@SophieHatterLeFay]

so the mangaka has a new manga out, ima koi now I'm in love, and the couple is shockingly normal and functional??? it's like a completely different person behind the story. the new couple has the healthiest communication I've ever seen in a shojo and I'm in whiplash

[@miyuedelfelt2676]

Probably for the same reason as 50 shades of grey, people like to portray abusive relationships as common, and now too many people accept it.

[@bachirihiba4959]

i can't believe it took years for someone to talk about how shitty this anime is

[@akun50]

I almost feel like the idea is the Black Prince is better than most guys, but he's so used to girls begging him to be their boyfriend for shallow reasons, so he's taken to being a shitlord to drive them away. And he happened across the one girl who is willing to be the subject of a shitlord to impress far shittier people, and now he's trying to disabuse her of her idea to impress said crappy people. But they aren't good at conveying anything well because "OHMYGAWDHOTGUYSSOSHREXY! SHE GOT HIT, NOW LAUGH!"

[@fbsie8579]

A few years ago I really enjoyed this anime but when I watched it some time back I couldn't believe the dark place it took me to for quite a while, as it depicted my emotionally abusive relationship with my ex to the tea. I ended up crying and shaking in many parts as the anime went on and couldn't bring myself to finish it. People who have went through such trauma can understand just how dark this anime really is, and it scares me because alot of impressionable girls will watch this thinking this is what an ideal guy is like and get themselves into horrible and traumatic situations that might end up scarring them.

[@tereziamarkova2822]

So this is what Fifty Shades would look like as a shoujo anime!

[@starshine6767]

ahh, okay but after rewatching the series because i remember liking it, the relationship was really not that toxic. The girl really did love him and didn’t went in with any hero complex wanting to ‘save’ him or anything. Just like how everyone seem to focus on his bad side, she was just caught up by his ‘good’ side. Like at the beginning she did pointed out a lot of time when he was being rude, but just stuck through so she could keep some friends. The guy also isn’t super malicious, at the end his family explains how he just shut off after his parents broke off. Like people just take things differently, and his way was to not trust/love people ig. Not everyone can go through life all happy go lucky, and show their love so carefree like Erika. I thought the anime just showed how there’s 'hope' in life, and you shouldn’t always stay shut off from the world just because you got disappointed by a few things. Like his sister, he was just tired of people being surface level and didn’t really trust Erika at first. Honestly love sometimes just takes effort, just because someone is quiet/cold (or make you act like a dog eh) doesn’t mean they’re truly mean/undeserving of attention. Also, my only explanation for the dog thing is prob his attachment issues and he loves dogs (hopefully meaning he kinda loves Erika too), he was just bored and didn't have any obligation to Erika to act like a sweet love at first sight bf.

[@starshine6767]

In the end, (TLDR) he was kind sometimes. Even if compared to society’s standard it's decent, people are diff and show affections in different ways. Or maybe I just don’t like it when people are so against something when it wasn’t actually horrible. It was kinda just like a slice of life too where not every guy is a perfect Prince Charming that is kind to everyone they meet. I get that it shouldn't show young girls to put in too much effort in an unloving person, but if people aren't willing to put in work in any relationship, the only ones that'll excel are those who will blindly believe everyone has good intentions. As long as the people in the relationship are truly happy and isn't just forcing attraction with people who should be 'good enough'. Also (wow this is v long) that arc w the guy that was pushing him to be w more girls was pretty sweet. *Spoiler?* But he just stood his ground, and basically said you’ll find someone that’s enough (or smt), oh and that a lot of trash is still trash. Um yea sry for the rant but labeling people who have a hard time expressing their feelings (as Erika say, kinda hypocritically tho, he just has a hard time telling the truth) as toxic. Tbh idk what should be considered toxic, but as long as someone understands their own worth, and is willing to put in the effort (even if in comparison it looks weak/not enough) the relationship isn’t completely helpless. Plus he dropped the dog act in a few eps, and instead just using it as an excuse to treat her decently w/o 'hurting his pride'(eh).

[@regulatormachine2788]

@@starshine6767 sounds like you have been well groomed...

[@EdBurke37]

Yeah this sounds like a dangerous show. Like Fifty Shades dangerous.

[@LynnHermione]

Fiction is not dangerous. 50 Shades is simply bad, not dangerous.

[@ded4lyfe1]

@@LynnHermione no, it can be. It is

[@LynnHermione]

@@ded4lyfe1 Evidence?

[@ded4lyfe1]

@@LynnHermione look in this section. One of the ladies watched the show thinking relationships like this were normal. Since she was in one just like that. That's not healthy.

[@ded4lyfe1]

Made it take longer for her to get out of it.

[@timothymclean]

4:55: So, the asshole treats her like shit and immediately follows it with a kind(ish) gesture? Holy shit, that is literally how abusive relationships work. What is wrong with these people?

[@borikenhazel]

Oh gosh! I'm not alone is absolutely hating Wolf Girl. I didn't even finish the anime because of the toxic behavior from the male lead. I disliked him so much! No thanks!

[@someone-you-do-not-know8522]

As someone who read the entire manga, I think some of its appeal is that they grow up - lots of anime and manga just end at high school, with the characters not really giving much thought to how they’re going to become working adults. The part where Erika has to consider what she wants to do was probably my favourite part. I did not like it though, mostly because Kyouya was so unlovable all throughout, and this is coming from someone who loves tsunderes and cold characters. Definitely also noticed to underlying abuse, but that was not my main reason for my dislike, which is stated above.

[@tomatobastardo2637]

I remember dropping this anime because I thought the relationship was trash.

[@bwminich]

First zoom of title - don’t see anything too wrong. Geoff goes off on his rant about the borders. I watch again. AND CAN’T UNSEE IT NOW. That’s not how a paper cutout would act! Ever!

[@Scarnehu]

I'm not going to lie, I'd ove a trashy "Let's (HATE) Watch series" but I love the both of you too much to make you go through that.

[@athenastand2140]

I thought the end of the manga had them having one kid and him debating if he was truly happy?

[@averageanimefan519]

Wait, that's seriously how it ends? He wonders if he's truly happy? Then what was the point of the anime of trying to "fix him" if he's still unhappy?

[@athenastand2140]

@@averageanimefan519"You're truly happy now right?" It's a question thrown at him by his friends and his own mother. It's a apt question to ask even after marriage and all that, but It's a bit disheartening to wade through these chapters only for him too say "I'm happy??" Or "I practically spoil you now" (like possibly treating her as an equal has risen)

[@opheliapurple]

I remember my little sister being really into this when it was first airing and she tried summing it up for me once and I just got more and more horrified the longer she went on. I have no idea what was appealing to the audience there, it looked miserable from every angle.

[@tomurashigaraki3636]

I remember being recommended this show from a top ten romance anime list. Watched an episode and a half and couldn't endure it anymore. Even I with my low confidence back then could see this was toxic and nasty

[@pappanalab]

I think the worst is vampire knight. Not much is worse than having child with your great great etc…grandfather in the body of your biological brother😃

[@BladeBlur]

You guys have great on-screen chemistry. AS EXPECTED ;)

[@MetalFire1998]

well i know my worst anime ever: school days. absolute trainwreck of an anime

[@Fanimati0n]

To be fair, the relationships weren't meant to be healthy

[@happyguy0105]

It's a very nice boat you've got there... It'd be a shame if anything happens to it...

[@jackthelucario]

“The show’s main way of trying to make him an appealing mate” Really getting into the whole “Wolf Girl” theme here, aren’t we?

[@cosmo8446]

I was hoping for her to leave him. She literally had another cute, not a red flag, guy interested in her

[@Debland1989]

Itazura na Kiss is on par with Wolf Girl and Black Prince, the girl is desperate for the main guy and the guy treats her either like dirt or a servant. Although I will say I did at least have a few doki doki moments with Itazura na Kiss. It is an older anime though so the production quality is a little janky

[@flamep76]

I'm glad someone's talking about this, I couldn't finish reading it.

[@matt0044]

Honestly, it feels like it could've been a dark take on the usual Shojo formulas. Like what if the bad boy was really just... bad? What if the ditzy girl got into a real abusive relationship? This could've been good if they just realized what they were doing.

[@cometgravity]

i remember when this show was coming out and i saw a lot of posts going around condemning it for condoning abuse and unhealthy relationships, which i guess means i follow the right people! but it honestly disappoints me that content like this runs so rampant with so many people thinking it's okay or even actively enjoying it. it makes me worry about The Youth(tm). like, if you wanna fantasize about being in a relationship that might be less than healthy, okay fine, i get it, i self insert ship with dio brando. but it's super irresponsible to share content supporting that kind of dynamic in a way that makes it seem desirable and healthy. it's not. keep that shit to yourself, in your brain, where you actually know what a healthy relationship looks like and nobody can get hurt. additional note: the relationship dynamic in this show reminds me a lot of the worst manga i've ever read, which was also a shoujo romance in which the guy(s) involved exercises a lot of power over the girl in a pretty alarming way. it's called black bird, and fortunately it never got an anime adaptation! i read part of it when i was 13 and somehow had the worldly awareness to know it was a shitty relationship even back then.

[@noxturne16]

*Girl gets herself in a toxic relationship to have another two toxic relationships* Congratulations, you played you self

[@AlexandraStubbs]

I’m SO glad you guys are calling this anime/manga out!

[@TimmytheHaunter]

She brought one that means there's multiples he is a clone wake up bipedal sheep

[@GintamaGhoul]

Wake up sheeple

[@johnwebster3d]

@@GintamaGhoul xkcd.com/1013/

[@annikalarsson772]

As much as i dislike their abusive relationship the biggest issue for me is that none of it makes sense, his reasons for being this abusive dont make sense, and no level of stockholm syndrome or being a masochist justifies her staying with him unless shes taken a giant hit to her head that I dont know of. Not sure what the anime is trying to say, that lying is fine and that all abuse is excused if theres even a moderate amount of warmth now and then? The entire thing was just painful to watch for me and thank you for pointing it out.

[@sassysimonetheprincess1996]

So, it’s Wattpad the Anime

[@avalonperez3806]

When bad shows have catchy themesongs...

[@irenecastro2645]

That laugh at 20:31 is so genuine, it made me happy

[@thamiyana6969]

I finally found someone with the same opinion about this shit. Looking at the facebok groups >literally< everyone said "read the manga, he'll be a nice guy, they both evolve", and I thought he was the only one who believed that transmits a bad idea that in an abusive relationship the guy would change and everything will be happy and colorful, but in fact, that kind of thinking only made it difficult for women to just break up. Edit: I watched one called "Itazura na Kiss" once, and I think it's even worse than wolf girl and black prince. I was traumatized.

[@nerdpocalypse5004]

The only romance anime that I think could be considered worse would be school days, kodomo no Jikan (made me physically ill when I read the synopsis), or Citrus (the lack of consent makes me feel so uncomfortable)

[@xXMaffeXx]

3D Kanojo is also bad