THE TRUE CHOSEN OF KHORNE! KHARN OR ABADDON?

Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're asking the question just who is the true chosen of Khorne? As we discuss Abaddon facing Kharn.
Spoiler Warning to begin as the events we're discussing today are from the short story "Court of Daemons" by Chris Dows. As always I really recommend you read the stories for yourself first. As that's the best way to enjoy the lore for yourself! Without spoilers!
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[@qwertpoo1]

The great hypocrisy of the chaos undivided, saying you don't rely on the gods when you clearly rely on all of them.

[@Archon3960]

Perhaps. But you get less garanties to get screwed by staying Undivided. B)

[@fredklein2261]

If Khorne betrayed Abbadon, the other 3 would pump him up to take advantage in the great game. Abbadon is riding that knife edge masterfully, playing the game and all 4 chaos gods against each other, keeping them in check to ensure their aid.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@fredklein2261 True, and Khorne is the God most likely to honor a deal. Schemes and betrayal isn't really His style.

[@Emidretrauqe]

That's all just to try to set Abbadon apart from Horus. The difference between the two (supposedly) is that Horus allowed the full extent of chaos to flow through him, which turned him into a frothing maniac who had nothing in common with his old self. Even if Abbadon hates the Imperium and tolerates chaos, he hates what happened to Horus more than anything. He hates Emps for killing Horus, but he also blames the chaos gods. It's like if a loyalist chapter master deeply hated the Emperor, but honored his oath of loyalty purely out of a deeper resentment of chaos. I'm honestly surprised that hasn't been done already.

[@John-jc3ty]

khorne is right. if his lackeys start claiming each others skulls, the skull-claiming performance will sink exponentially really fast. he did the math

[@aguspuig6615]

he did the math

[@VikingDrummerRob]

So his claim that he doesn't care from where the blood flows is hyperbolic at best xD

[@Subject_Keter]

@@VikingDrummerRob It the Choas Gods, they cant even smack you let alone stick to their own ideas. Doe atleast 5,000 skulls vs 500,000 skulls is easy math. Also you think Khrone since he wants to be the "best" would try to make his champio. The best.

[@widdershins5383]

@@VikingDrummerRob preferably not your own since there’s so much elsewhere, but if there is absolutely nothing else, needs must as a the devil says lol

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

He’s a capitalist. More skull takers equals more taking of skulls equals exponential growth.

[@thescarletpumpernel3305]

I guess Kharn didn't know that Abaddon can only lose three wounds per turn before his chaos dads step in and break it up.

[@kaynesylvar8277]

I think Abaddon wasn’t putting trust in “the Ruinous Powers”, he was putting trust in Khorne, who, despite being evil, comports himself with twisted honor

[@NATHANARCHY]

I think Kharn would win, and apparently, so does Khorne. The fact that Kharn can die and be brought back from glorious combat tells me that Khorne only intervened because Abbadon was at serious risk. Khorne had to send an emergency diplomatic bloodthirster to convince Kharne not to kill Abbadon. If Abbadon had gotten the better if Kharne, he could claim glory in combat as a better warrior... but Khorne knew that wouldn't happen

[@charlesdanaa8514]

Reading Betrayer now. Pity he went traitor, but Kharn, despite the nails, seems like a level headed guy. And like it says in the book, hard to dislike. He's disgusted by the Word Bearers treatment of prisoners, for their penchant for torture of prisoners. He'd rather just kill quickly and not prolong suffering.

[@regularrory4692]

Betrayer/first heretic are my favorite books.

[@ridgefrost]

Thats literally all world eaters including their primarch, thats what the nails did, all they do is force u to be horrific and incapable of doing anything reasonable if u look into angron's life you'd know nothing he's done was truly his fault and nothing that happened to him was of his own volition or control, he only killed cuz he was literally forced to fight for the emperor by the emperor but his ruthlessness was because he believed he'd rather immediately kill everyone he faced to free them from a life of servitude to the imperium which was a valid sentiment if u know how many if not majority of the world's under the imperium lived

[@phantomwraith1984]

But that's Khorne in general. One of Khorne's aspects is honor in combat, so all his followers will always kill you quickly

[@AphitethLordOfLight]

Kharn is a Demi-God send to the tortured.

[@thundercricket4634]

People keep trying to assign elements of noble character to the followers of the blood god. Their distaste for tormenting their victims doesn't stem from any sense of mercy or compassion. They avoid it because the pain and misery feeds the chaos god they most vehemently detest: Slaanesh. They don't spare killing the weak because they think it ignoble to take a non-combatants life. They spare the weak because every kill is an offering to Khorne, and offering to Khorne the blood of someone too weak and too pathetic to even lift a hand in their own defense is insulting. To slaughter weaklings would be like a devout Christian going to church and leaving a turd in the offering plate and genuinely believing that was a worthwhile offering to ones god, and not something highly insulting. The World Eaters behavior may vaguely resemble that of some more noble minded creeds at times, but it's coincidental and surface level only. None....NONE of their motivations are the same.

[@tjorgensen8760]

Abandon is unknowingly doing the work of the emperor

[@pinorska6316]

Imagine offering blood to the blood god and the blood god just says no.

[@Archon3960]

Skarbrand? x)

[@monkeybusiness673]

@@Archon3960 Ouch..Too soon!

[@Archon3960]

@@monkeybusiness673 [SPOILERS FOR TOTAL WAR WARHAMMER 3] It goes even harder when in his ending for Realms of Chaos, Skarbrand offers _Ursun's_ skull to Khorne and he's like: "Thanks, but you're still banished. Bye."

[@monkeybusiness673]

@@Archon3960 Sounds like an absolute Khorne thing to do! "K, thx, bye!"

[@ricardoricardoricardoricardo]

@@Archon3960 Khorne is being smart there, he knows Skarbrand will keep doing bloodshed while banished.

[@Jpipooly]

Kharn is the chosen of Khorne, 100% That said, Abaddon has the backing of the four. With their spiteful nature I'd imagine that the other three would pour power into Abaddon, if the chosen champion of Khorne were to make a move.

[@Archon3960]

Most likely. No God can win the Great Game after all. B/

[@pentacosttb2565]

Basically like with Sigismund, Abaddon loads the dice in his favour and still only survives because the gods cheat on his behalf.

[@Subject_Keter]

I would say difference is, Sigismund has enough Skill to cut above and literally went into Traitor held land and bullied people into the Warp. Abaddon would cry and plan their "defeats" in a bunker so far away, it doesnt count. Also mf needs like 70% cheats to do his stuff.

[@OEFarredondo]

Shroud of Night had a dope perspective on him. He was like a rampaging Jason X.

[@nild9153]

If there was only one person a Chaos God could love, it has to be Kharn.

[@jfkshouldofducked4348]

Absolutely not Abaddon is a terrible character but kharn is worse than Lucius. Horrible character archs

[@sneedclave7867]

First would probably be his consort Valkia, but Kharn is definetly coming in at a close second.

[@mduckernz]

Tzeentch IMO. Khorne worshippers lose too much of their minds. That said I understand why you say so. They’re close together in acceptability I think, to me

[@horusluprecal1144]

I think Slanesh wouldn't like the idea of only loving one person.

[@thundercricket4634]

I think Kharn is a heavy contender for the title of "Best melee combatant in the WH40K Galaxy" but it's almost surreal to hear him having conversations. That dude should be screaming in incoherent fury whilst cutting something in half .

[@VikingDrummerRob]

I for one think thats why people like Kharn, it makes him and his interactions interesting because of the duality between his blind rage and bouts of sanity, unlike most of the 40k cast who is rather 1 dimensional.

[@thundercricket4634]

@@VikingDrummerRob I get what you're saying. Even a World Eaters fan like me sometimes forgets that Kharn isn't JUST rage, he's also superbly talented at what he does. He's both Skill AND Fury.

[@seankelly69]

*cough cough* Sanguinius!

[@Elthenar]

As awesome as Kharn is, he isn't the best melee combatant. Ignoring table top rules because of their fluctuating nature, I'd argue that Skarbrand, Angron and most of the other primarchs would take him in a straight fight. The Avatar should be able to take him but the fluff has ruined his rep.

[@VikingDrummerRob]

@@Elthenar Comparing Kharn to the primarchs are a bit unfair since they were above and beyond the marines even before they became demonic. And yes the fluff has ruined Abaddon beyond repair, and that is because however badass GW want to show that abaddon is, they can't let him be a super badass, because GW treats 40K as a setting, not a storyline. Hence everything has to more or less go back to status quo after every plotline. And that keeps Abaddon back more than anything I think. If GW just let Abaddon have a massive win for once with far reaching consequences and maybe som MAJOR characters or faction leaders killed by him, I believe that people would maybe see that Abaddon is more than a hot air ballon.

[@OllyHux]

This would have been a perfect opportunity to showcase Abaddon's diplomatic prowess. Having Khorne forbid the taking of a skull is an questionable way to resolve the conflict say the least. Sounds like the write just wanted to have Kharn fight Abaddon without really thinking too hard about the ramifications

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

It doesn't seem like Abaddon is the "chosen" but more that there is a deal that has been struck. I wouldn't be surprised if Abaddon included immunity from other champions of Chaos. Abaddon clear has an important role to play, and Kharn kind of assumed Abaddon was the reason he was on the red path. This was kind of Kharn's mistake in my opinion.

[@Subject_Keter]

It like how Bandit groups in fiction will get a specialist and generally keep them "happy" so they can get all that profit

[@zedhiro6131]

Abandon isn't the chosen of the chaos gods, he's the chosen of Games Workshop with all the plot armor and retconning of failure that comes with it.

[@theGOATemperorOfmankind]

Gw is the trie ruler of the warp.

[@jubimagi]

*chambers bolt* I'll only ask you once gaurdsman...who is james and WHERE is this "workshop" of his?

[@Lanninsterlion216]

God, you guy dont know what plot armor is, failbadon the armless came out a decade ago. stop parroting memes from reddit that are oudated for like 4 editions .

[@jmlaw8888]

​@@Lanninsterlion216The only thing thats outdated is having the right hand man of the last guy to lead Chaos take over the reigns after his death and oversee 10000 years of stagnation while still having the nerve to call the faction 'chaos'. Abaddon should have been killed off 10 years ago. The best thing they could do now is have Guilliman or The Lion rip off his head to conclude a long overdue massive Chaos defeat and then have the demon Primarchs or others like Kharn fight with for the right to lead for a time. THAT is more in line with 'Chaos'.

[@Lanninsterlion216]

@@jmlaw8888 oh god, that actitude is genius, GW should hire you to kill all their iconic characters in the span of probably five years. I am sure with all interesting characters pushing the narrative fowards the setting will never stagnate and the fans will not harass you like they do Matt Ward. There is a fucking reason DC havent killed the joker yet, you think you are smart because would discard characters before they can even leave a mark on the franchise.

[@RedHornSSS]

Lmfao the bpoosthirster that stopped the fight must be like "holy shit that's the weirdest thing I've ever done"

[@hurnn1543]

Honor is one of Khornes things, so of all the gods to make a promise he's probably the only one I would trust to keep it. In addition Kharn is his favorite and his champion, but he can't lead a crusade that will destroy the Imperium Khorne and his brothers (/sister/whatever) are also smart enough to realize Abaddon is probably their only real shot so he kind of needs him alive. If terra falls I don't think he will stop the fight a second time. As a final point it wasn't Abaddon who was told to stop, so I think we know who Khorne would be betting on.

[@TheZMovies]

Kharn doesn't lead a crusade, he's the entire crusade.

[@KaiserAfini]

Honestly, if he could motivate him, Ahriman would be a far superior planner and strategist. Problem is, Khorne hates mages.

[@Wolfenacht]

I see it more like... if abbadon dies, then the amount of skulls and blood will drop dramastically since none of the traitor legions can actually plan shit and not kill each other, on the other hand, if abaddon DOES win against Kharn, then he loses his best champion... It's a generals worst nightmare, Your commander and your best most experience warrior are fighting each other.

[@korkronwarlord]

Surely it's Kharn. The guys got a kill counter inside his helmet, for goodness sake!

[@ProstheticHeadd]

I’m pretty sure all the world waters have one it’s just that Kharn has the highest kill count

[@larsbose6279]

​@@ProstheticHeadd no kharn is the only one with the kill counter it s ark tec and a present from horus himself to him.

[@ProstheticHeadd]

@@larsbose6279 “His visor showed him target icons, though. A decent number. A moderate challenge to fill an afternoon. How many of them would be his? He considered, for a moment, resetting his tally counter. The number, a long one now, throbbed in the bottom left of his visor display. Most Astartes-pattern warplate had this function. Some called it a kill-counter.” Excerpt From Saturnine Dan Abnett

[@rickplayzyt6277]

Abbadon isnt Khorne's chosen, he has a bargain with Khorne, that being said. Kharn cant just kill Abbadon because Khorne needs him alive, sending the force Khorne did was merely to tell off Kharn, and Abbadons reaction kinda shows that. Its like the reaction of the annoying younger brother hiding behind dad.

[@andarchy1386]

With Khorne sure he's not only the God of blood and skulls but also honor I wouldn't be so sure zeentch or slaneesh would be as likely to keep there pact if they thought they may benefit some way in the great game

[@Angron_Of_Nuceria]

Considering that kharn has his own pile of skulls next to the skull throne... I’d say kharn Edit: also to note, kharn has kicked the head of a decapitated ally so that in its dying moments, it could see kharn slaying a bunch of enemies.

[@hadrian2505]

A friend we all wish we had

[@dukedevlan5457]

​@@hadrian2505 honestly a bro move

[@jfkshouldofducked4348]

Thank you for showing us why the handicap shouldn't have accounts

[@jfkshouldofducked4348]

​@@dukedevlan5457 hahaha bro move? A move for some dick lol

[@Angron_Of_Nuceria]

@@jfkshouldofducked4348 oooo you’re so cool and edgy

[@patrickfletcher7067]

I wouldn't say he chose Abaddon. He has made a bargain with Abaddon, as well as his brothers of Chaos. He can't back out of that bargain. The one thing I didn't hear mentioned was whether Kharn was forced to serve Abaddon. If he wasn't forced to serve Abaddon then I would say it was a wash. Kharn couldn't take Abaddon's skull but he also wasn't forced to serve him either.

[@chevyman19691]

I thought for sure you were about to say..... and so Kharn took the bloodthirster's head

[@7heDust]

The way you stretched the "daddy loves me more than you" dialogue of two schoolgirls is a masterpiece.

[@VikingDrummerRob]

Khorne literally has to send his demons to break up the fight between Kharne and Abaddon to avoid that Abaddon gets Roflstomped, and yet Abaddon has the gaul to hide behind the demon and whine like a bitch... "Mom says you have to do what I say, waaaaaaaahh!"

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

...So the Warmaster of Chaos is the galaxy's biggest coward. Noted.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@DJROCKSTAZ Always has been. He only beat Cadia after losing 99% of his forces and throwinf a spaceship at the planet which is a Comissar Garza way of killing any character aka bullshit.

[@roguechieftain233]

@@DJROCKSTAZ Sig ran his sword up to the hilt and through both of Abaddon's hearts but Sig forgot about his plot armor.

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

@@roguechieftain233 Ouch! I'd be salty if I were Sigismund right then!

[@Subject_Keter]

@@DJROCKSTAZ I think they shoved both Malal and Malice into Abaddon wound so it could heal him. Mostly kidding but he had a MASSIVE sword in him and... even in 40k that would be "too much"

[@graemealkins9138]

This is totaly understandable abbadon is only 1 skull from kharn If abbadon is allowed to live and carry on with his war there will be many skulls for kharn to claim I wouldnt count it abbadon having khornez favor jus khorne thinkn of the bigger picture the long march back to terra

[@Malvok]

GW has to mess with the best chaos character. 'Oh how can we make baby abaddon look tough? Retcon! Oh, and let's demean Kharn."

[@worldeater2414]

Kharn is straight up the Jason Vorhees of 40k, while Abaddon is at best Ghostface

[@PhynixDS]

Backing by the 4 gods is not much as being the living Avatar of the blood god, it would be better to just use Kharn as a point and shoot weapon to do as he pleased.

[@benscoble7346]

Not allowed his skull…yet. If anyone or thing is going to end abaddon it should be the betrayer right at the moment of abaddons triumph

[@SerV689]

Abby says something- Kharn smacks the dogshit out of him. End of story

[@15DEAN1995]

Considering the force khorne sent to stop this duel, I think kharn would have won against Abaddon. Both of them are too valuable for khorne to lose but to stop kharn the blood god had to show a significant presence.

[@laserbeastman7447]

Honestly I’m not a huge fan of the direction they took Abbadon. He’s never really seemed like a 5d chess-playing hyper intelligent chosen-one style badass, but more of an over-emotional Skeletoresque duber who stumbles randomly into success, but mostly just gets thwarted. I just kinda thought people obeyed Abbadon out of some might-makes-right fear of him caving your face in as opposed to him being some inspiring commander. I mean, mostly just seems to lose his temper all the time.

[@andyduke6119]

Since Malcador and Big E knew it was inevitable, and they could, to some extent, manipulate who fell, I wonder if they pushed their least desired choices onto the chaos gods to hamper them.

[@GenghisTron]

I don’t think he leaned on favor to flex his usage of its power but I believe it was a tactical assertion. Like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Using his adjacency to power as a means of avoiding conflict. A true lunar wolf.

[@WarsmithThanatos]

So, all I hear is Abaddon needed to be saved by Khrone himself from the ass whooping he would have gotten otherwise. Because, why would he needed to intervene if Abaddon would have won anyways.

[@Subject_Keter]

You think the level 420 "Leader of Choas" would beat a "upstart" Champion but Kharn would kill him so bad, not even the gods could revive Abaddon.

[@astrieth138]

We definitely had different interpretations of the Bloodthirster's interjection. I didn't consider it to be that Abbadon is of higher value than Kharn, but that Khorne knew or at least suspected that Kharn would win and he has need of them both. We also know that Kharn can return from the dead, a gift we've not seen Abbadon flaunt.

[@davidmathieson8661]

Of all the Chaos Gods, I think Khorne is the only one you could truly trust to hold to a pact. He was at one point (technically still is) a god of honour, even now corrupted and twisted as he is, he'll still hold to a pact. Tzeench we know will twist any and all promises, Slannesh too. Papa Nurgle will keep to a promise, though you'll come out with some extra "gifts" at the end.

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

Khorne, the gods give Abaddon all their gifts so they can equally control him, remember Kharn is a better fighter in the CSM codex in 2nd edition he had a higher WS.

[@dhanu_4539]

that's just Abaddon's plot armor.

[@joshley1320]

Kharn my favourite character and always will be but I truly believe that kharn would slap fake horus

[@XandeJam]

I tire of the Abaddon plot armour. His character isn't too desimilar from Lucius. They both fail constantly but continue to exist because apparently they're chosen. Funnily enough the chaos gods never seem to reward failure in their greatest demons.

[@Subject_Keter]

Khan would slay ababby if all that plot armor wasnt on ababby, amazed he can move with all of it bolted on

[@angelgoo7772]

Kharn is like khornes dedicated ho while abaddon is getting trained by all 3 chaos gods

[@theezekarion164]

YES! Thank U Brother Thank U Soo Much for This.

[@EmeraldPaladin777]

Just because Khorne doesn't want Kharn to kill Abaddon, that doesn't mean that he favors Abaddon most. I think the logic you took to reach that conclusion is a little flawed. If I had to guess, I'd say that Abaddon is necessary to Khorne's desired outcome, but Khorne still favors Kharn more.

[@Ordo.Vigilant]

I thought that book was the red path? In any case, it's worth noting how many severe injuries kharn had sustained, I swear I remember lozepath stabbing him clean through the chest mid fight and blasting him into was before kharn got the win, he also took out a chaplain dreadnought just before that, as well as God know how many loyalists.. If he was fresh, Abaddon would be just another skull for the skull throne.

[@worldeater2414]

Hello, World Eater Lore Nut here. This happened at the end of Red Path, and Kharn sustained many wounds before he met Abaddon. To the point that it most likely slowed him, he even killed a Dreadnought singlehandedly prior to killing the Living Saint in the book

[@Ordo.Vigilant]

@@worldeater2414 Well, you successfully managed to reiterate everything I said with arguably less detail 😅 cheers lore nut 👍

[@lordfarquad8913]

@@Ordo.Vigilant ^

[@Jatte92]

... How is it Angron and Skarbrand not in the conversation ? But lovely video as always

[@Archon3960]

**Laughs in the sounds of carnage.** They never were the Chosen. B)

[@Jatte92]

@@Archon3960 They're to swole to be ignored 😏

[@Archon3960]

@@Jatte92 But Skarbrand was yeeted and Angron is a slave. Kharn is _blessed_ by Khorne. 😎

[@Jatte92]

@@Archon3960 Skarbrand was yeeted in the same way that a bird kicks out its young from the nest to teach them how to fly ❤️ And Angron outbenches Kharns protein decefeit ass, and I think Khorne values this greatly

[@Archon3960]

@@Jatte92 Too bad Skarbrand can't fly anymore. X)

[@jptaylor8852]

This speaks volumes to kharns wholesale bad assery. Abaddon shows up with ships and all those warriors and then khorne shows up with all those demons. I personally think kharn would win.

[@popamonkey190]

I always love another entry into the codex of wolf lord rho.

[@cuban-being3087]

Plot twist, the chosen of Khorne is a Wulfen Logan Grimnar.

[@tappingninja]

Lozepath was decapitated by Kharn, Blood for the Blood God, and took on Abaddon after going from a void ship battle taking on astartes to directly taking on planetary forces and a living saint. Even after all that non stop fighting Abaddon was only able to take Kharn to a draw...

[@DaniMol]

Honestly, it does seem like Abaddon was on a better standing than Kharn near the end, and it's likely if he had wanted to kill him he could've. But the fact my boi was standing at all is quite wild. Still it's sad to see Kharn the way he is now, reduced to a plot device, the wise legionnarie is LONG gone.

[@worldeater2414]

He also took out a dreadnought singlehandedly prior to killing the Saint

[@tappingninja]

@@worldeater2414 went toe to toe with a venerable dreadnought and held it back with BRUTE chaos infused strength alone, Kharn is f*cking epic to say the least...

[@tappingninja]

@@DaniMol 10k years of straight brutal combat in the immaterium and real space will do that to you...

[@darkage5]

Sorry but it's not that Abbadon have Khorne's favor. It's more of a political move because he is the Warmaster of Chaos undivided. You can't just kill him off like that. He would suddenly face a 3 against 1 situation. Even as much as Khorne would like to see it happen. That's why the blood thirster had to throw Kharn that bone of a compliment.

[@GaIvatr0n]

Great video Rho. I think Abaddon would dispatch Kharn... he's been killed a number of times before right? Abaddon not so... Also Abaddon would be used to many a rodeo like this with top tier champions to hold his power.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Solid reasoning. Most just discount Abaddon out of meme-based nonsense. The Duel was very much Bear vs Wolf. Abaddon was stronger, tougher and more powerful, Khârn fought smart, fast and ruthlessly. Abaddon overall took the least hits and landed the most blows, but nothing was settled truly.

[@Subject_Keter]

Abaddon runs gunlines, gets teleported away way too much, got beaten up by a gurl and literally got the Sigimun blade shove right through him and barely got out with his plot armor nonsense. Kharn is allowed to be revived but Ababby needs a Xmen resurrection crew everytime he gets smacked around.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@Subject_Keter most of that was pure nonsense, but essentially "beaten by a gurl"! Triple No! 1: Celestine is a Demon Prince killing legendary level badass. 2: She didn't beat Abaddon, She lost to Abaddon, was saved, and then stabbed him in the back. 3: the text literally calls him her fare superior as a Warrior. As for Sigismund... You say plot armour, I say the stronger, tougher duelist survived and the lesser died. Sigismund was the best ever, but on that day Abaddon wasn't someone he could kill, even sacrificing his own life.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen The Sword doesnt make you a Master, just proves my point even more. Also he got beaten up by the "Weak" God saint so "he got beaten by a gurl" must really s t i n g. Slapanest cant even kill a oldman War God after not being praised and 99% of his people eaten AND big chungus couldnt even win with a sword that is powered "You will die eventually" energy. That is truly p a t h e i c. The crap Krokan Nimrod who isnt even at full power would fibd Abaddon a joke.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Also lmao, Did he "not" lose to a girl? Embrassing! Be salty xox It makes choas love you m o r e.

[@ArnoldFernandez-rs6wg]

I think Kharn would win. However, it will not be a victory for Khorne for he will lose face to the other 3 Chaos god who supports Abaddon and his standing with the other primarchs who worship Chaos undivided. And who would say Abaddon will remain dead, it is easy for one of the other 3 Chaos god to convert him to a demon prince, and that's one more enemy for Khorne if that happened.

[@darththesungod3578]

I don't like this. I'm fine with Khorne telling him that Abaddon is off limits, but Khorne should have told Abaddon that Kharne wasn't his to command. That his champion is commanded by one master.

[@Trollioli]

Here's my take. Abaddon doesn't want to fight Kharn because he knows he will win and the war effort will be set back. Sure Kharn will be reborn, but can Abaddon afford to wait and/or lose track of one of his best weapons?

[@chrisrodgers855]

Khorne is also the God of War and Marshall skills. Abaddon does this at a larger scale then Kharn’s skull calming

[@kamarreingram5045]

Deamon angron tried to end kharn simply because the blood God showed him what kharn would become angron choose to try and kill him so he could be khornes favorite champion so I'm going with kharn

[@Malvok]

I think I remember that when Horus was dying in the dirt, Abaddon openly wept, like a bitch. Kharn is the most badass guy in 40k.

[@donshipman8441]

If chaos would stop fighting each other, the galaxy would be in big trouble.

[@brandonnelson6018]

Admittedly I haven’t read the book so I’m missing context, but from your description it sounds like khorne didn’t want to lose either champion and they responded to Kharne first. I’d be curious if the same would have happened if Abby wanted to kill kharn.

[@real_Jurch]

Rather than Abbadon being favoured over Kharn, perhaps it's more that the struggle for Abbadons soul is just one more front in the great game? If Kharn wins then all Khorne gains is yet one more skull amongst the countless he has, but if in a moment of struggle against a greater foe Abbadon gives in to Khornes influences then the Blood God gains a mighty soul. It would be unlikely that Abbadon would side with Khorne in a battle against his own champion so there's nothing to gain from a contest.

[@dentkort]

You forgot to mention that when the Bloodthirster arrived, it wasn't Abaddon that got smacked out of the death-lock, it was Kharn. Almost as if our red boi would've won otherwise.

[@jeffersonhenrichs3362]

I dont buy the idea of Korn favoring abadon more. He just said dont kill my other guy. That isnt korn giving abadon enough power to overtake karn. And dont forget, he had to tell karn to not kill him. Not tell abadon to be patient. As in, karn would've won. That's how much more favor one god juiced into him compared to the amount in the undivided champ.

[@godKiller.369]

Whinebaddon the Bedwetter got saved by the bell.

[@raithdoom]

I would have to say Sevitar is one of the best duelists as well seeing as how he fought on equal ground as Sigusimund. Also Abbadon only killed Sigiusmund because he had an op demon blade and was able to survive being impaled by a black sword because he had all the gods empowering him.

[@okandemirtay2390]

I don’t think abaddon is trying to claim that he values the gods but I think he’s merely reflecting kharns value system right back at him, and saying oh your the champion of khorne but so am I and not just khorne but all the gods, effectively putting himself above kharn even in his own field, the promise of khorne in abaddons mind is probably the same as any other promise made by other chaos legions to further his cause

[@ashtonmartin3398]

Another excellent Wolf Lord Rho video. To be honest, in all of Warhammer40k, Angron and Kharn stories are over done. They are just versions of the same character and the same story. Both of which are overworked to include nuances and details that actually don't add any complexity or ambiguity to their stories. Bote are just rage demons with insatiable bloodlust betrayed by their "father" and the depravity of their circumstances. I would happily trade every Angron and Kharn story for stories of Corvis Corax or Lionel Johnson.

[@MrWizzyfizzy]

U dont send a bodyguard greater deamon without thinking that Abadon needed it

[@DarkApostleNoek]

Abaddon would take the win in most caseses. Khorne is following a deal made most likely knowing what the Warmaster is doing will give him more. It could also be a case of Khorne choosing to go against Abaddon might get the other 3 Gods against him since he is to Khorne as much as he is to the others. Kharn however is his Chosen Mortal for 40K, where he goes it is Khorne's essence being spread.

[@allytank-itykitty7417]

I think Kharn would beat abbadon in a fight, without the plot Armour of the writers, Kharn was perhaps one of the best legion fighters, along with sigy and sevatar, he liked to duel his bro Argel when he was one of the most powerful of his possessed brothers. All through the books of the HH you are shown how fast and cunning Kharn was and that his warrior instincts were insane, his fight against Erebus after he killed his bro was one of the best duels I have read. Abbadon is described a lot as a bull of a man and more like a thug through most of his passages. So to me Kharn has the upper hand in the combat.

[@sookendestroy1]

But can a saint of the emperor be reborn if their skull is sacrificed to Korne? Does it in someway weaken them?

[@kendallsnider3966]

Sounds like failbadon with his deamon sword talon of horus, all his guard still had to get someone bigger to save him from Kharn...in just power armour. After has been fighting for how long? Khorne is probably just honoring his pact till he can send Kharn after him later

[@jeffersonhenrichs3362]

If you have any reason to think getting into melee with Kharn is a good idea, you have been listening to zeentch too much.

[@Alex-pn7jw]

we talking 40k? coz in 30k kharn wasnt even in top 5 world eaters probably, and abby in termiantor armor almsot lost to Loken in normal armor.

[@DetroitTyler]

If they were to dual, I believe Khorne would actually withdraw blessings from Abaddon and funnel that towards Kharn. Abaddon clearly has the wargear advantage, I believe before either was tainted/blessed by chaos Kharn was the superior dualist. So I give the experience/skill to Kharn. The only reason I think Abaddon wins is because he has more sponsors and wargear. I do think this dual would be closer than most think because Khorne could actually depower Abaddon to an extent and perhaps grant Kharn an additional boon as he is prob the only chaos god who does enjoy a fair fight to some extent. And knowing the other 3's blessings would be against his own, I Khorne would try and close that blessing gap as much as he could so that his champion can make it a wargear/skill battle as much as possible.

[@xzeke666x]

if i remeber right it is even written in the betrayer that kharn is the choosen one by khorn. he is even the one who gives the most blood and skulls to khorne as far as i know. and he is so much better portraied so much better then abbadon. as far as ive read abbadon comes across as just someone with so few facets and with such a huge "daddy issue", whilst kharn has alot more depth to his charater even thoe he is supposed to be this kickass angry world eater who kills soo many. and even if khorne told kharn to not claim abbadons head, i think that he just basiclly said not now seanse we have a plan to do something first, i think abbadon is just a pawn in the gods great big plan to be tossed aside efter. but that is just my guess. but with that said i have to say that there is so many books that i havent read yet, so i can be wrong. but with all this said i truly belive that kharn is khorns favorite homie

[@arionofotherworld]

Kharn is basically the guy that Angron wishes he could be, Abaddon is too much like Horus with added petulance and resentment.

[@xzeke666x]

@@arionofotherworld abbadon wished he could be like horus. But yeah i see why angron would want to be like kharn

[@Wolfenacht]

Also, i'd like to point out, if Kharn stood up to him that well WITHOUT THE BLOODGODS FAVOR, then uh... if the war ended and Kharn had the full support of his god, yeah, Abaddon would be screwed.

[@kenkaneki-u3u]

people let their disdain toward Abaddon cloud their judgement he just wanted to put Kharn in his place and make him kneel while Kharn is trying to go for the kill. And Khorne would throw away Kharn if it meant Abaddon would completely dwell into the gifts of chaos becoming a Daemon. But I'm not sure the other gods would act the same because Abaddon is a warrior at heart and is more aligned with Khorne's mentality. (though i love kharn and think it's the most badass thing that he wouldn't budge while being surrounded by the black legion)

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

Plot twist: khorne’s first pick was commander farsight

[@scootlesvonnoodles5529]

The chaos gods don’t love anyone. They are cold opportunists. They would quickly discard Kharn or Abaddon if a better option came along. Look how quickly they abandoned Horus just before the emperor nuked him. The only thing they truly love is “chaos” itself and causing as much of it as possible.

[@Subject_Keter]

I kinda like the new lore idea they pulled out faster then someone saying the food you ate was rotten cuz he would ascend to a Chaos God and bully them. Considering they are scared of a physical bound Emperor imagine a Primaris and Primed Horus.

[@lobogonzalo4745]

I've just had an odd thought, what happens to the skull of the living saint lying on the skull throne when they come back to serve one more time ? Do they get a new skull or is it the same one took from korne's sitting place ?

[@paladinebahamut]

This is what is referred to as a narrative copout

[@johnnyblaze4053]

I never liked or respected abbaddon and still don't; it's time for him to go . The only thing that makes me happy is that everybody pays a terrible price for choosing chaos and his time is coming and I hope they give him a fate worse than horus

[@dentkort]

Archaon is so much better than Abby the Armless...

[@Subject_Keter]

Huron Blackheart just outshines Abaddon, they have to give Blackheart crap so he doesnt orbitally nuke Abaddon.

[@johnlucas2838]

@@Subject_Keter Huron Blackheart can not be Warmaster. He isn't vet from the Horus Heresy so he can't rally up the old guard, he doesn't have the Black Legions support which Abaddon has considering he worked on it (If Abaddon was gone, any of his lieutenants within the Black Legion would probably take up the mantle of Warmaster), Huron is weak and in order to unite chaos you gotta have power and influence, his usual gist of how he does things wouldn't work out as that would probably get his back blown out, and he would easily fold to the sway of the Chaos Gods.

[@Kingers27]

What’s the heresy name for heresy

[@gentlerain8537]

Indoctrination

[@garethpelchat4724]

Kharn is that name

[@steve43ful]

Heresy-heresy.

[@cbilici]

I think we need to get comfortable with the idea that the Chaos Gods all operate their own polycules 🤣

[@ashslaa]

I'd say Khorne wants the betrayer close by, should the need arise to dispose of Abaddon. After all the warmaster owes no true allegiance to any but himself. I'd be suprised if Slaanesh, Tzeentch or/and Nurgle are of simmilar mind. Each wanting a fail safe incase Abaddon proves to be more trouble than his worth. Maychance that if only for a short moment of time, those four champions, bearing the title of chosen by their allotted patreon. Maybe enough to bring the warmaster down, not as allies, but as hated warriors with a common even more hated foe.

[@kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901]

And Khârn probably looked right at Abaddon and said " YOU DIDN'T BRING ENOUGH" And I AGREE WITH LORD RHO HERE...IT'S TIME TO START A WORLD EATERS ARMY METHINKS😈👹⛓️🩸💀🪓⛓️🩸💀⚔️🩸⛓️💀🗡👹⛓️🛡🛡⛓️🛡🤘🏻🩸🤘🏻⛓️🤘🏻🩸🤘🏻☠️🪓⛓️🗡⚔️

[@Apostle_of_Fate]

Abaddon is the undivided chosen and Kharn is the champion of Khorne

[@Gnarlf]

Khorn forbids Kharn to take the Warmasters skull. I think, that is a very straight forward resolution of this conflict and if I were Abaddon, I would shit my pants now. Khorne knows, Kharn would take the Skull, if he were allowed to. Otherwise he could had Abaddon assert his own dominance, instead of saving his ass by the referee.

[@truthteller6213]

They both have his favor. Khorne was just thinking about the bigger picture for once. They had something to do right? A Black Crusade or something. Abaddon is stronger but Khorne doesn’t like him more. He hasn’t given his everything over to live breathe eat and sleep the tenets of the Blood God. Kharn is by far his favorite but Abaddon might be empowered more simply because the task he must accomplish is much bigger.

[@Drakenfoul]

*This is no suprice , Khorne is focusing on the endgame , and it has been stated before , that Abaddone, is the ONLY one that can perhaps do this. Kharn maybe a bit miffed about this sudden demand that he is NOT alowed to take Abaddone's Head , but he isnt stupid , he wil axcept Khorn's desission.*

[@Scarhandpainting]

Oof! That time when Kharn got friendzoned by Khorne :o

[@eddysplosion]

I think that it is more along the lines of not taking his skull..... yet. The blood God will probably send his champion immediately after The warmaster is useless

[@timz4217]

That was a bad decision on GW part for bringing up that question but in my mind if Abbadon tried to punk Karn it would soon end in Karn victory or am I wrong that abandon lost many duels and only live by the grace of Dumb plot armor and Karn fought the best at his best and said I like you to much to actually fight you.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Since the Black Legion is made up Marines from all different legions and chapters, how does their geneseed work?

[@alvinsylvester9036]

Can kharn now turn away from khorn now that he feels betrayed like he did the imperium ???

[@albdamned577]

Lol kharne typhus, Lucius, and hellbrass walk into a bar…only then do the chaos gods realize they got their second choice.