"Women don't owe you anything..." Debating a Leftist Incel

still don't know if this guy's a troll or not
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[@salamut2202]

I biologically hated this exchange

[@RudeAlert]

LOL Very well put.

[@jbark678]

Probably because you're too big.

[@joemartin7451]

@@jbark678 i'd like to be big

[@TheMystique29]

5 ft 6 I can't share your perception on this....

[@RealMephres]

Why is a Cacodemon at my sight

[@snekdood]

this guy acts like women are born with a psychology degree

[@ShersterQ]

Lol, I wish, that would make everything so much easier.

[@dogwalk3]

Empchi what do you mean, "easier?"

[@ShersterQ]

@@dogwalk3 I actually really like helping people, but I'm always a bit scared that I will do something wrong on accident. I just think that would be helpful.

[@dogwalk3]

Empchi you probably feel that way because your authenticity wasn't well received when you were growing up, either by parents or peers. i agree that that's messed up because our parents should have done a better job raising all of us instead of passing on their hereditary trauma. that said, your fear of doing or saying the wrong thing is something that YOU have to work through & it's no one else's responsibility. the best thing to do to make that seem less scary is to find a community that can help you or a therapist or mentor so you're not alone in the journey. if you don't have access to that, you should read "drama of the gifted child," by alice miller. as long as rely on other people to change, our society won't move past these unfortunate feelings we have to deal with. also, the older you get & more people you know, you'll find a lot of them you're more comfortable around & don't have to deal with that as much. it's good that you like to help people. keep it up.

[@ShersterQ]

​@@dogwalk3 idk what to say, that's probably way too many assumptions from like 2 sentences I wrote. all i meant to say is i would love to be able to understand people and their psyche better, so it's less likely i mess up when trying to give them support or advice. because i enjoy being the emotional support, but i also know sometimes i can't do it as well as i wish i could. could that be a result of some childhood trauma? not that i know of, maybe? either way, I already go to therapy, because I have depression and gad, but thank you.

[@Bluebooty]

This man might just have the most confusing worldview i’ve ever seen

[@samuraibeluga3749]

He doesn't have one that's the problem. He's desperately grasping at any reason to constantly paint himself as a victim, just sounds like a sad existence to me, unable to mentally progress.

[@samuraibeluga3749]

@@oracle8192 i dont disagree, i just dont think that applies to every single one of these people, some people are just not interested in changing, cause they have an unconscious fear of discovering the world is only unfair as they think because they put those barriers there themselves, its hard to admit you are your own saboteur, its scary.

[@atropabelladonna]

I died at "women are less horny than men"... This guy can't get laid because he has a completely absurd view of the opposite sex. My advice to all incels is to try to get female friends (preferably some they are not attracted to if that is possible) and learn to interact with them like humans.

[@Bluebooty]

Atropa Belladonna i mean just one female majority female fandom deep dive to prove that wrong

[@sydnerella24]

Blue dude never heard about a girls fanfic preferences I bet lol

[@xaldynnemo47]

“Being alone is worse than being sexually assaulted.” UMM.

[@riotgrrrl8807]

Yeah, and being sent dick picks is the same as having countless offers for meaningful relationships that are CERTAINLY NOT based in any superficial physical attraction and objectification.

[@NIHIL_EGO]

Kissless permavirgin here, I'd rather die never having seen another guy shlong than being sexually assaulted.

[@chariot5660]

As a guy who's been assaulted I can confirm it's worse than not having a sexual partner other than my hand.

[@tamzinjones1530]

As a woman who has been sexually assaulted and harassed many, MANY times, I would rather have been alone.

[@CambieAngel]

I would rather be alone for the rest of my life then touched without my consent. This man is insane.

[@lilithpyrope476]

"nobody likes feminine men" "It's impossible for men to be the submissive in a relationship" Another day, another assertion that my relationship doesn't exist

[@crishealingvtuber8626]

MEN (clap) GET(clap) PEGGED (clap). Seriously though, his view is so toxic.

[@brittanybertolin8859]

I peg men all the time and I tend to lead whenever I'm in a group setting and I am in fact a 5'2 dress wearing gal.

[@adrijatripathi4700]

sexy gappy pfp

[@psychicbyinternet]

:( I love feminine men...

[@luchan1638]

i honestly have a soft spot for men who can be vulnerable and submissive, especially in the bed room... personally i think more men shouldnt be afraid to show their submissive side ! it is really sexy xD

[@jackwalton4469]

"Women should be dedicating their lives to amending my sadness" "Why don't you dedicate your life to amending womens' sadness" "Because I don't want to"

[@emperoroftheuniverse6748]

He needs a counselor to help him. Women don’t have an obligation to help men. Men and women alike are diverse and unique. There are men and women who like helping people with their emotional baggage (ie. Counselors, which some men enjoy working as), and in an egalitarian, genderless society, we would see more men in counseling departments. He could benefit from a relationship with a woman who is assertive and confident and helps shy/self conscious men build up self esteem (after he gets counseling and stuff). Those people exist out there, because there are all kinds of people. Gender roles suppress diversity, and we ought to abolish them for everyone’s sake so the world will be a better place

[@sweetbunnybun]

people in healthy couples support and help each other equally

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@sweetbunnybun Yea. But we dont mother and father each other. And we arent therapists

[@1nstantkarma852]

You lib socs literally say that everyone should be involved in provide basic needs for everyone, or else it will lead to capitalism.

[@1nstantkarma852]

@@Vizardog so what happens if someone doesn't want to work for/with you?

[@caliginousantithesis6001]

"women don't like feminine men!" Kpop stans, anime stans, girls who like femboys : sure

[@haggisa]

Caliginous antithesis The Beatles, David Bowie, Elvis, half of Hollywood at any given time etc.

[@haggisa]

Revanchist 😊 At the heyday of Beatlemania? They absolutely weren’t the standard of masculinity. Long, shiny hair, singing in gentle and sometimes high pitched voices, being very well groomed, slender and metrosexual, presenting the image of sensitive, empathetic artists? Sure, later on their style (both regarding their music and physical presentation) morphed and evolved, but at the beginning of their career they were pretty far from the macho ideals.

[@MH-iy6tn]

Kurama from yu yu hakusho , Shinji hirako from bleach, etc sweating nervously LMFAO

[@v8ali8]

@@MH-iy6tn But shoujo anime, with all of the bishounens

[@7DaltonDoms7]

As a man with gorgeous hair, Harald Fairhair's legacy lives on, who is often misidentified with women, particularity from behind, I'm doing fine bud thanks. Oh and I am an 'autisto', still k. And poor, still can talk to women.

[@MissKashira]

All women are licensed psychiatrists. All of us.

[@nnnrr7219]

its our power

[@paulafreytes5085]

Yes, from birth. Even trans women, they get their ids and their degrees all in one

[@jameskoh802]

Me as a trans woman trying to go to grad school: hand it over Terfs 🔫

[@mrshittles9424]

My uncle has full frontal lobe dementia. Do the fix it thing, then make me a sammich. (kidding). That was a funny statement you made there though.

[@Kidomaru222]

@@jameskoh802 Unfortunately, Terfs loose the degree immediately upon developping the brainrot.

[@toecutterjones]

Being treated like a woman is apparently the worst thing in the world for men. That says it all.

[@SpiritDetectiveL]

yeah that's true, if they get treated by other people the way society treat women, they won't be able to handle it.

[@YoYo_Ma]

Kinda like when white folks are asked if they would like to be treated like black folks

[@spikesiegel7922]

amazing point

[@charliekill88]

Man don’t get emotional support, woman does, man thinks woman is privileged and he deserves their emotional support, man stay sad Woman gets sad, man expect her to be emotionally sound, woman stay sad

[@lennie4778]

@@charliekill88 yeah it’s all just a bunch of dumb loopholes that maybe we’ll well over some day if we keep fighting, who knows

[@Cat-fx3mh]

"I didn't give data cause I'm playing cuphead" absolute chad move

[@nathanstewartjacome7017]

Based af

[@maryelizabethp]

the most powerful response he's ever had

[@YourPetSnake]

@@nathanstewartjacome7017 based on what

[@babbisp1]

I missed that. Where did he say that?

[@davidbrobinson1995]

@@babbisp1 7:07

[@nohrianscum9791]

"I didn't give data because I was playing Cuphead."-Vaush, 2020

[@suigeneris2663]

11:57

[@dewayner5388]

The other dude “well I guess I can’t fault that logic”

[@carolinem.5044]

Honestly, he is playing a game while also roasting the living hell out of that other person.

[@adhdlorde]

I kinda feel bad for him but idk maybe that’s my female emotional labor gene talking /j

[@nnnrr7219]

BAHAHA

[@pixelk8261]

GOD I feel this. He really needs a therapist and I hope he gets one. It isn't a gf's job to be your emotional support animal lol.

[@gamerman7209]

Your profile picture. UMMMM?

[@lefrogenjoyer]

As a woman, I feel absolutely no pity for that guy, I guess my female gene is broken

[@user-yg7sq8sr8g]

Man it is just so sad to hear about his views tho

[@timothy3450]

"I have personally been bullied by a woman so women are more powerful than men" This guy is in desperate need of therapy

[@tinfoil6626]

That sounds like fetish

[@timothy3450]

@@tinfoil6626 I'm sure it is

[@heracrossz7701]

Yes a guy that was bullied by women shapes his opinion about all women based on a unique experience instead of statistics and facts, just like a woman who was mistreated by a bad boy begins to hate men irrationally, nothing different at all.

[@heracrossz7701]

@Laura Martin-Falla I agree but wouldn't you feel sorry for that woman just like you maybe feel sorry for this man. My point is a lot of men have valid reason to hate women of course that's not ok but dismissing their experiences as irrelevant or not as important is not a good solution. Is like,let's see a genuine nice guy who can't get laid and he is upset about it he tried to be as nice and compassionate as he possible could but it didn't work,he is upset because he doesn't feel love or understood than you tell him that the problem is him for being sexist and he begins to feel crazy and doubt his on judgment because what you are telling him is not true for his cases, is like saying to a woman hey only small amount of men cat call or actually act creppy being that her experiences contradicts that and them the same happens to her she begins to doubt her on judgment and feel crazy because people tell her one thing but she experience another is kinda like that. This guy is not morally right but if you dehumanize him he will dehumanize you.

[@TheTabaK23]

He’s seems exceptionally young and this made me sad

[@TheVivaciousNerd]

My brain is leaking out of my ears right now, biologically

[@johngr1747]

Lol

[@alexandraschultz1481]

Brainjuicesssss

[@Booyakasha787]

Biologically, mine is too

[@Booyakasha787]

@Akhilleus , Fils de Pélée thank you for bestowing your wisdom upon us, I will use it wisely

[@EvelynOnline9205]

I’m literally dying biologically

[@derbistheeternal2947]

This is just uncomfortable to watch. This guy is clearly impaired.

[@luna-p]

He can't see beyond high school. "I never learned that in my history class"

[@Steelairship]

He sounds like a high schooler. Unfortunately most incels are young guys in college or highschool.

[@leedave9314]

And this is exactly why these people are virgins and Incel, they are narcissistic and sympathy seekers who want a women to look after them and ‘fix’ them when most of these have no ambition, don’t look after themselves, and believe they know everything even when they are proven wrong. Fuck that no wonder they will forever be lonely

[@leedave9314]

@Flower 34 it’s really baffles me the logic of some of these people, and when he has nothing to say in response he just takes a deep breathe and goes on about something else, he needs a slap💯

[@lpswerido688]

"Women are biologically better at socializing" Me, an autistic woman: 👁️👄👁️

[@paulafreytes5085]

You gotta activate the female socilite gene dude, didn't you get the code to activate it along side with your psycology degree when you were born?!

[@pharos670]

Autistic women are on avarage better at socializing then autistic men

[@paulafreytes5085]

@@pharos670 do you have any data on that riduculous claim?

[@nerdtritiousnerd5233]

@@paulafreytes5085 autism in males is more severe since it's an X Chromosome related genetic variant. Woman on the spectrum are harder to diagnose since their second X Chromosome compensate.

[@emporioalnino4670]

@@paulafreytes5085 it's true though

[@jelly9076]

incels: *are sexist and misogynistic* also incels: why don't i have gf 😢

[@Technoshirt]

The sexism and misogyny is a result of not having a gf, but feeling entitled to have one

[@Jakeeeeeeeeeeee]

Techno Shirt no-

[@ton_bo]

@@Jakeeeeeeeeeeee no point, just no

[@Technoshirt]

Yaboi _ how is that a no? They feel entitled to being with someone and when they don’t get it they turn to sexism and misogyny

[@jelly9076]

Techno Shirt well from that misogyny girls are going to feel even less inclined to date them

[@mennoberga4133]

Here's the thing with incels. At the beginning it's always "ooooh i can't wait to see some sexist get owned", but in the end it's just.... Sad. A dude whose own delusions are preventing him from becoming a better and, well, happy person.

[@riotgrrrl8807]

It's just sad and unacceptable too that they participate in making the world less safe for us women. I just can't forget that, however sad he himself might be.

[@xybrcvnt]

Its truly a sad sight.

[@tybooskie]

Nah, It's more like.... Keep that shit yourself and don't try to fuck up any woman's life.

[@shinobu-39]

I totally get and somewhat agree with this but at the same time this is just another manifestation of that forced emotional labor. So I have to steel myself to be a bit colder. Unfortunately this happened with a close friend of all people too. I really tried but I needed to cut them off when I was becoming their therapist... Prolly a bad one too.

[@davidwooden3878]

I totally agree it's not on any woman or other partner this fellow may ever have to fix him. He sure has a lot of growth he needs in critical areas like... fucking basic empathy and critical thinking. And I hope he gets help from the people in his life in a healthy way instead of piling it on anyone. Therapy or counseling and a mountain of hobbies. This whole call was a hot mess I always had the worst luck with relationships when I was desperate to find a partner. When I chilled out and quit saying poor me and was fun and relaxing to be around relationships more less presented themselves

[@flobwad]

“Women don’t like feminine men” Talk to those women who dropped their panties in a heartbeat for the men in those glam metal bands from the 80’s. Ok?

[@salsaroja9740]

For real, Prince was drowning in P-Word, it’s ridiculous

[@flobwad]

@@salsaroja9740 So was David Bowie, Steven Tyler, Iggy Pop, etc.

[@mrnonsense1031]

Don't forget about Freddie Mercury. All the ladies flung thier panties his direction despite the fact he was gay.

[@josue.ortega]

Or today's Kpop stars or eBoys

[@browncoat697]

@@mrnonsense1031 Freddie Mercury was famously bi, not gay. He also wasn't really feminine, at least by the 80s - dude was muscular and had a big ol' mustache.

[@thegrayone6968]

"I always wanted to be asexual" "Well theres always chemical castration"

[@thegrayone6968]

@Laura Martin-Falla I didn't know that. Thank you

[@13gudadod]

Oh no not the wishing to be Ace thats só fucked up Like does he thinks Its ALL fun and games?there is litterally treatments treating to "fix It"feeling excluded from the gay and straight culture because They dont follow the same level of romantic attraction(for aromantics)or sexual needs(assexuals) Its Just like guys and girs saying"omg i wish i was BI would have so many options"

[@BradyBrenot]

Heard "not having a sexual partner is worse than rape," checked and saw there were still 50 minutes left. Not sure I'll make it through this one.

[@jaegs1935]

I didn't have a sexual partner for years and I was literally fine lmao

[@ReallyRedPanda]

@@jaegs1935 Same. The only time I ever felt conflicted about it was when I compared myself to others and measured my worth as a human being by my romantic status, which was a bigtime smol brain move. For me the issue stems from society treating single people as inherently _lacking_ a partner as opposed to just _being_ , full stop. You're a complete person with or without a romantic partner for goodness sake. Incels need to stop reveling in being outcasts and break away from their communities, as individuals, in order to rethink their values if they ever hope to truly be content with themselves.

[@jaegs1935]

@@ReallyRedPanda life gets so much better when you figure out who you are, and then when you accept that, you can't get enough of your own company!

[@dickiewongtk]

To each their own. I get what he mean. Getting rape mean “at least I am attractive (to a certain degree, to certain people)

[@Kittsuki]

@@dickiewongtk A huge amount of the time though, r*** is about power more than it is about sexual attraction. It happens all too often where the victim doesn't need to be projecting any sexual appeal at all and yet still gets assaulted because the attacker is just using it as a way to assert power and dominance over them.

[@Catt375]

This person genuienly sounds like they have some kind of cognitive impairment and listening to him get owned makes me feel kind of uncomfortable

[@themonroe654hd6]

Combined with some kind of accent or something. I can't tell.

[@Devin_Art]

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. It started off funny but then became kinda sad. I think there is a lot more than world view here at play. Its sad because I feel like this person has next to zero in social skill. Everything is some kind of game or social status indicator. I feel like this person needs therapy and a rewiring of their world view. If you are reading this, I urge you to seek help. I have for many many years off and on, there is no shame. These feelings will fester and turn into resentment, no one owes you happiness. YOU owe yourself happiness.

[@corytimmel7]

Same

[@psychicbyinternet]

I get that but this guy challenged Vaush to a debate so it's not like he's just randomly picking on him.

[@briochie]

I think Vaush handles these things pretty well, it's impressive. He's really patient with people like this guy, and I don't think overly mean.

[@ld1717]

I dunno, I think if men were as likely to experience stigma, physical abuse, or unwanted pregnancy as women are, they may not be too keen on sex either...

[@internetperson3228]

Not to mention partners who can't please them because in sex the pleasure is more focused on men

[@carimavandijk1091]

@Anirban Chakrabarti maybe women find "excuses" to why we aren't keen on sex because some of us really aren't because of trauma and sexual abuse/rape/bad expierences/other shit I cant come up with rn. Idk man, just a thought 🤷‍♀️

[@carimavandijk1091]

@Anirban Chakrabarti oh yeah I didnt mean it in a way like women as a whole have to excuse their any if their actions. Nobody has to excuse consentual sexual actions. But I just mean it in a way, like.. okay. Alot of women have had bad expieriences and maybe athe reason a lot of women start openly say sex isn't that good and form excuses to why they dont like/want sex is because of those bad expieriences. Anyway, sending love 💞

[@MrCmon113]

They are keen on sex. Just more selective. That's two different things. And that's not a societal thing - that's true for all of our primate cousins. So removing societal blockades will only make the phenomenon stronger.

[@victoriansteam1562]

@@MrCmon113 not true tho. If i would not have to be afraid of pregnancy or being called a slut I'd honestly fuck around all day. No questions asked

[@itsryderbabey8885]

Vaush casually playing cuphead while talking to an absolute nutcase misogynist is my favourite vibe

[@rexn97]

Gooood. Vibbbbeeeez...

[@nnnrr7219]

I love how he can be completely focused on both things... like I couldn't

[@johngilliam6764]

He's not a misogynist

[@gRinchY-op5vr]

@@johngilliam6764 he spent the entire video talking about how women should be more submissive and have it too easy, yeah he is 🙄

[@kallershaw1241]

@@nnnrr7219 i wouldve lost it already that guy is a complete moron

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

"Where is this society? I never learned this in history class." I've probably never laughed harder in my life.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@FYE ARRW He came off as a troll to me when he said "you're hurting leftist Allah." At that point, it seemed to me that the guy didn't actually come for a serious, genuine conversation, ya know?

[@ashfox7498]

"Who were the hunters in hunter gatherer days?" "Both" "Both? What do you mean both, I never learned this in history class"

[@shamusmarkus8699]

I feel like this whole debate was this dude trying to get therapy and validation from vaush lmao

[@supermutantsam1160]

Inceldom in general is men in desperate need of therapy trying to find it in literally everything and everyone except an actual therapist

[@plants_before_people5329]

@@supermutantsam1160 I guess they might think going to a therapist is weak and as this guy points out they think female partners should be their therapists, even though in actuality going to a therapist is a very strong thing to do because it shows you're strong enough to admit you need help from a professional

[@alejandrorivas4585]

@@plants_before_people5329 this is why toxic masculinity is best described as toxic. It literally is a health risk

[@joegibbskins]

@@plants_before_people5329 therapy is expensive for dudes who mostly don’t have jobs

[@freshrockpapa-e7799]

​@@joegibbskinswhat? Just go to the public healthcare system?

[@davidbrobinson1995]

Incel: So you're saying that relationships won't help my mental state? Vaush: Yes! 100% *Thanos voice* : Impossible

[@Justuas]

It can help.

[@alexandraschultz1481]

In fact at this time it may even worsen things for them :(

[@javierperalta7648]

Having sex is almost always good for your mental health

[@browncoat697]

I'd say it's absolutely not a guarantee and can worsen your mental health/state, but it can also improve your mental health. I know mine improved after I met my wife, but that's purely anecdotal.

[@katy2176-p3m]

@@browncoat697 but it shouldn’t be pursued on the idea it will benefit your mental health specifically. This is like a couple in a failing marriage deciding to have a baby. 9/10 a terrible idea. And also relying on a partner to improve ones mental health puts a burden on the partners mental health - thus the study which shows how married women are generally less happy and lose more as their husband gains more from a relationship. But I don’t expect those incels types to think like this, they’ve driven themselves into a very toxic little thought bubble, and in a way their naivety makes me feel a pinch sorry.

[@saclippies3718]

>incel guy: "women are biologically programed to be more sociable, emphatic, therapeuting than men" >also incel guy: "i've been bullied by women pretty much my entire life"

[@starrynight1165]

He literally said that being single is worse than sexual assault. WHAT.

[@starrynight1165]

@Flower 34 yeah he definitely does

[@whatisthis1958]

Thinking about it, the fact he said that after experiencing sexual assualt probably says something bout how society views male sexual assault, as well as his own mental state. I hope he gets the help he needs, most incels just need therapy

[@SemiIocon]

So, incels think a relationship is a free therapy? That's honestly terrible and I hope people who think that don't ever get a partner, because that would turn toxic very soon.

[@MeldinX2]

Hahaha so true. That's a relationship that is doomed from the start. :D

[@suigeneris2663]

Semilocon Yeah, I wouldn’t worry about it. “A wOmAn ToUcHeD *ME* wItHOUT my CoNsEnTah!!” Well 1. maybe you kinda deserved it, and 2. you’re probably lying about it anyway. There’s your equality, fuckface.

[@beanieguitarguy4070]

Inappropriate and Unprofessional Nobody EVER deserves to be raped.

[@psychicbyinternet]

@@beanieguitarguy4070 They're just talking to the guy the way a lot of people talk to women who get raped because that is equality. It's a clever use of irony.

[@nukiradio]

Quite the opposite. I hope they get a partner who tries to pull the same bullshit. That way they have to say outloud "I didnt date you to hear your problems". Then look at eachother stupidly

[@VivitheBlossom]

"Why do people dislike feminine men?" "... ... ... ... ....... Biology." I swear this dude is high.

[@EdgieAlias]

@@spliffrotation7238 He is. That was the whole point.

[@EdgieAlias]

@@spliffrotation7238 My last girlfriend was attracted to me specifically because I'm feminine, and tried to increase my femininity. Plenty of people love feminine males.

[@EdgieAlias]

@@spliffrotation7238 It's nowhere as rare as you might think, and is pretty regular.

[@randombubby1]

Stran Gling-twittur-hores assuming that it’s true, the idea is that women are socialized to like and dislike certain behaviors. As Vaush brought up, behaviors seen as feminine in a modern context such as child-rearing were once seen as either masculine or neutral. Women MAY dislike feminine behaviors, but both the behaviors categorized as feminine and the dislike for them are socialized into people’s psyches.

[@randombubby1]

Stran Gling-twittur-hores I don’t think I can link anything here, but I would implore you, if you’re really interested, to go to google scholar and search for socialization and gender roles. To read the studies and articles you are probably going to need sci hub, but they should be available for you to read. There is a ton of literature on this subject so I hope that you are able to see from a new perspective.

[@nienkehuijbens301]

'Women- uhh - females, are ...' He had to correct himself there lol

[@cctomcat321]

"Being male is like being cursed." Every woman who has a period: lol. K.

[@yasminealshathir2775]

He literally sounds like he's crying the whole time

[@greatestindanationwide8332]

Yasmine Alshathir it is man people don’t care how you feel your supposed to do everything in a relationship and dating is extremely hard.

[@cctomcat321]

@@greatestindanationwide8332 that's half true. Relationships are hard for most people. Doesn't excuse anything.

[@starrynight1165]

Frrrr its the absolute WORST

[@georgia1649]

trans men, non-binary people, and genderfluid people whose period is a reminder that they weren't born into the right body and suffer severe body issues: 👁👄👁 *note: I am cis, so if any trans, non-binary, or genderfluid folks want to add to this please do.

[@salsaroja9740]

“Who was the top God of Athens?” ATHENA?? THE NAMESAKE AND PATRON GODDESS OF THE CITY STATE OF ATHENS??? “Zeus!” N O ! ! !

[@barbsb1502]

was looking for this comment

[@LegoWolf]

I also found it odd that he brought up that men were the hunters in hunter-gatherer societies, but Artemis was literally the goddess of hunting in ancient Greece.

[@plants_before_people5329]

@@LegoWolf yeah and Athena was the Godess of war strategy. She literally wears armor all the time.

[@weirdghastlygames1323]

@@plants_before_people5329 Not only that but Zeus was pregnant and gave birth to her. The irony...

[@anima9450]

@@weirdghastlygames1323 um.. Zeus was what now? And did what now? Am.. am I on deviant art?

[@spencerbuck1074]

“It’s because women are biologically better at social.”

[@RolaiEckolo]

That's why men no do the emotion right. It woman job to wear dress and luk pritty, so man have emotion in his crotch at all time. I deserve good feeling. Me smart. Me know it just biology.

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Hi i am good at social. How is your cousin? Period recently? This good.

[@karolitacheescake]

@@mycenaeangal9312 GOODBYE 💀

[@eidotaidot8577]

I wish this was true it would solve a lot of my problems😂

[@Reflexzzzz]

Woman*

[@TheMusicManiac1997]

He keeps on using “biologically” but I don’t think he knows what that means

[@kiralawliet5612]

Who else was more invested in Vaush beating that level than the debate?

[@wacky3486]

Tbh, I was on the edge of my seat seeing him finish the level lmao

[@davidbrobinson1995]

@@wacky3486 Mainly because I couldn't distinguish the incels outlook in this debate to be toxic, dangerous, or sad.

[@Nico-hs4rt]

I think Vaush times these extra frustrating debates just so he can blame them for not doing well in a game

[@davidbrobinson1995]

@@Nico-hs4rt Either that or Vaush is pretty good with multitasking.

[@th3rasave]

@@davidbrobinson1995 ikr? Such tonal dissonance

[@tyk3874]

Has this guy seen all the people in the comments of femboy tiktoks? Certainly not everyone dislikes feminine men...

[@fanfandom551]

It sounds like this guy is struggling with internalized femmephobia, it really feels like he either is/wants to be more femme and feels stifled.. it's sad

[@julie-tm6pz]

Femboy Hooters brings out everybody's lizard brain

[@swolejeezy2603]

@@fanfandom551 The lengths people go to not love themselves

[@THEcamobackpack]

"You know like how with the coronavirus they talk about flattening the curve? We have to do that but with women's privilege" OH MY GOD

[@noorasoroushnejad2841]

scrolling through the comments before finishing the video. i wheezed audibly at this

[@mycenaeangal9312]

People are getting rights too fast. We have to slow that down or people won’t like us biologically.

[@llcooldrockindahouse4631]

Huh? What the heck does that even mean? 😂😂😂

[@baddabingbaddaboom931]

"women don't like feminine men" Me and large group of female friends cackling as we talk about anime, kpop, manga and femboys because they're all hot: Update 2 years later: I just like loser men who whimper thanks guys

[@llcooldrockindahouse4631]

Same here. I’m feminine and as a guy women do not have any issues with me at all!

[@tarzanoru5627]

@@llcooldrockindahouse4631 same here

[@TheGogogwo]

You have to admit there is a lot of masculine characters in anime and manga though lol. But true he just needs to realise women are individuals with different wants. Not all of them represent the average.

[@baddabingbaddaboom931]

@@TheGogogwo lmao I mainly fall for the more fragile and feminine looking ones. Not that feminine people are fragile-

[@MrCmon113]

@@baddabingbaddaboom931 You are talking about superficial feminine mannerisms. Those guys you are thinking about still have super masculine faces.

[@LieutenantSteel]

"Women don't want to lead men" - I mean, does the guy just not know about Femme Dommes? Maybe he's salty because he's missed out on his kink for years?

[@robin-po7ip]

if this guy is reading these comments.. ayo dude i'll peg you don't even worry about it

[@paulludwigewaldvonkleist4039]

@@robin-po7ip peg me uwu

[@robin-po7ip]

@@paulludwigewaldvonkleist4039 on it king 😏

[@julie-tm6pz]

The amount of people I've seen on tiktok asking women to step on them beg to differ

[@jaghall47]

I’ve met so many women who have more leadership skills with both genders than a lot of guys

[@R0mbVs]

I dont agree with his points at all, but he sounds like he's in a lot of pain. He sounds like hes on the verge of tears the whole time and I really hope he finds some help.

[@dinodare1605]

Yeah, he needs some love. Not romantic love, as is evident here, but human love at the very least.

[@cyberiusrex2343]

Was about to say the same thing, some pauses he had legit sounded like he was sighing about about to break down. Seems like he conviced himself that having a girlfriend would solve all his mental issues when, in reality, it's more likely that he would drag whoever he would end up in a relationship with, down togheter with him. Hopefully he finds the help he needs, or takes steps to improving himself at any rate.

[@sowhatandisaidhi2235]

idk he sounds more like his nose is just stuffed

[@daca8395]

I mean, there is one thing I think plays into problems with incels: society tends to teach men that only romantic love is "manly". So when they can't, for whatever reason, find romantic love, they tend to, well, become incels...

[@helios1087]

black pill and incel forum user he is not only lacks love and help, he is actively engaged in self-destructive "doomer" communities

[@heheheiamasuperstarcatgirl8485]

"has there ever been a society where the men were submissive" THE MINOANS, ANCIENT ANCIENT GREECE

[@ItsDragonsAllTheWayDown]

Yooo did you watch the video with Jojo characters in Minoan clothes because GOD YES Edit: autocorrect doesn't like Jojo

[@lucasm7781]

Actually the minoans didn't but there were a lot of Matriarchal Civilizations

[@jouskehigaskita8835]

Nubia had a queen that fought off a roman army

[@pharos670]

What? How were these female dominated?

[@accoyzemni6545]

I’m not trying to be mean toward the incel but I’m just going to say it. His speech pattern and verbal delay clearly shows some sort of impairment. It seems like he has a hint of autism. I’m saying this as an autistic person myself. The Incel and Red Pill communities have a lot of autistic people in them because autistic people are easier to manipulate and like rules/structures. I too was manipulated with Red Pill teachings because again, I was an easy target.

[@megauser8512]

Yes me too, and sadly I even lost $1500 over it for so called "video lessons"!

[@accoyzemni6545]

Mega User My god I’m so sorry. That is brutal. At least you didn’t get sucked into the 21 Convention BS.

[@halleffect5439]

I was once very frustrated with online dating, so i started watching incel/redpill stuff.

[@comradeviper4054]

incel: "nobody likes feminine men" me: well buddy allow me to present to you... my hent- I mean manga collection!

[@childofwonder.8]

THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT IVE FOUND YET

[@comradeviper4054]

@Blue .Barrymore idk fam, gender is hard...

[@comradeviper4054]

@Blue .Barrymore yeah because I wasn't sure about that...

[@shinobu-39]

Hard samedt

[@holligames8136]

"Woman don't lead man." As a soldier, has he ever met the women in the military?

[@crylec6534]

Or a nation with a female leader

[@burrowdown]

Imagine being an incel and getting a job where your boss is a chick.

[@DereBear]

@@crylec6534 Germany doesn’t exist. Angela Merkel found non existent

[@crylec6534]

@@DereBear How can I be so ignorant.

[@mrnonsense1031]

He's also gonna be shocked when he finds out about women being cops.

[@joshuacampbell7038]

How does this man play cuphead and keep track of this guy's arguments at the same time

[@hoominbeeing]

Because his "arguments" aren't very good, so they don't take up as much brain capacity to process and rebuke.

[@blane2472]

Honestly I feel like you'd have to do something while talking to this dude or you'd be bored out of your mind.

[@wren_4444]

Because Vaush is insanely good at debates lol

[@hellfirdragon17]

@@samscheller2331 I know this is off topic but I found out that Vaush supports the TPP which would outsource jobs dont you think that's not progressive?

[@RudeAlert]

I know this is off topic but I found out that @Sam Scheller is a little troll who likes to spam pointless butthurt crap all over a KZbin video's comments section don't you that he's a total asshat?

[@lilybreshears1939]

Why did he correct himself to say “females” after saying women -_-

[@bittybuta3756]

because he talks about cis women

[@melaniey.5596]

It should be the other way around. In many Incel communities they use females or femoids to derogatorily call women. :( Like the n-word for afroamericans.

[@skullkid64mm]

@Hamala females is used by incels to dehumanize women not because they’re biologically female

[@bittybuta3756]

@@skullkid64mm it's just that he acknowledged the existence of trans women several times, i know how awful inceld can be

[@totagarboua8540]

@@melaniey.5596 hi Melanie, as a Black person myself, please for the love of god don’t compare the n-word to females. One is derogatory, the other is rooted in slavery and murder.

[@lordshnissugah]

"Biologically..." He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

[@RudeAlert]

Hey! I got that reference. ;)

[@jbark678]

"Hate is biological"

[@noxthemc7717]

"Biologically..." (Proceeds to present exclusively cultural artefacts)

[@lordshnissugah]

​@@noxthemc7717 Come to think of it, isn't evolutionary psychology one of those soft sciences? But I guess "bio-truths" don't count. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@pconfer6660]

It was quite irritating

[@verager2493]

Another really sad guy who just wants a mom-wife and to do literally nothing to get one. I guess he thinks if he says biological enough, it won't be his fault?

[@oscarlohens8586]

I'm a loser with a mom-wife and I'm 100% sure it's because of how I look.

[@matcha9250]

@@oscarlohens8586 it’s not how you look, trust me

[@oscarlohens8586]

@@matcha9250 Tall and good looking. It's not because of my personality, trust me :)

[@dvas9626]

@@oscarlohens8586 I feel bad for her

[@oscarlohens8586]

@@dvas9626 same

[@ryancampbell5352]

"Why aren't you dedicating your life to amending their sadness" "Because i don't want too" Lmfao i died

[@Lanoira13]

I've never seen someone back pedal so quickly, I'm shocked he didn't dislocate his ankles.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@Lanoira13 Or completely break them.

[@RequiemOfSolo]

@@Lanoira13 1350

[@RequiemOfSolo]

@Tom H 1350

[@RequiemOfSolo]

@Tom H its a nazi dogwhistle. noones falling for the bait

[@itsryderbabey8885]

Just finished the debate. This was like watching a horrific car crash in slow motion

[@burntwaffelz48]

fr, a car crash that took like 50 minutes to reach its gruesome conclusion

[@compostlover]

there’s no way this guy is a leftist....

[@soft_serve_666]

Right?! I don't think this guy knows the difference between being left or right, or anything else for that matter.

[@jimmilton8333]

@@soft_serve_666 he certainly doesn't know anything about being right... Bu dum tss

[@shreyaadahall]

You'll be surprised by the number of anti feminist leftist boys. They're leftists because they've faced the oppression of capitalism and rich-poor is the only power structure they're familiar to and they don't see other people who face that AND other forms of oppression. Look at the amount of leftists who think trump and Biden are the same. Obv it would be same for THEM, guys who're possibly white middle class but not for other minorities and they're too selfish to at least walk a few steps for other people's sake.

[@cristian.9857]

@@shreyaadahall Are we talking about bromunists? By the way, 50 years ago there was no difference between left and right when it came to sex or gender issues, globally, it was essentially struggle between working class cis striaght men and wealthy cis straight men, all of them wanted their women oppressed and felt disgusted by sexual minorities and foreign cultures and races.

[@tonywoutrs]

@@cristian.9857 But you can still be economically left, and socially right for example. It's not like all issues are packaged together. You can address them separately.

[@castillogrande8926]

This was just depressing to watch.

[@SigWahrheit]

I am so incredibly surprised at how much patience Vaush shows here.

[@castillogrande8926]

@@SigWahrheit this makes me wish I never learned English >_

[@shadowbunny7892]

@@castillogrande8926 Imagine a conversation so bad it makes you want to delete the entire language lmao. Oh my god

[@castillogrande8926]

@@shadowbunny7892 I sometimes wonder if I would have been better off as a Marxist-Lenninist in Colombia instead of transforming into an Anarcho-Syndicalist in the United States. Jaja

[@johngr1747]

BIOLOGICALLY DEPRESSING

[@abigailtriestohard5988]

No no I’m with the incel on this one, he’s really making a case for women being genetically superior

[@basselwehbe8412]

the thing is its like the “asians are good at math why are you angry thats a positive” its an expectation not a magic thing that makes you bettar at something a stereotype doesn’t make you that thing

[@tieflingcorpse9817]

@@basselwehbe8412 i think hes saying this guy makes men look inferior

[@isabellacarrillo6461]

@@tieflingcorpse9817 I think the same lmao

[@CambieAngel]

Wait wait... You’re on to something...

[@FelisImpurrator]

Incels Georg is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

[@nothingwhatever9915]

"women don't like feminine men!" Is the 'put on the maid costume' thing is a joke to you???

[@grellsutclif9815]

I literally hate feeling submissive and I’m a woman. Like, have a guy depend on me is literally my dream. Being submissive makes me feel really insecure and sad

[@oscarlohens8586]

How old are you?

[@grellsutclif9815]

Oscar Lohens 18

[@oscarlohens8586]

@memelord yeah, you are.

[@tikayscake2416]

@memelord you’re off your rocker if you think every woman wants to be submissive. Base your opinions on reality rather than personal desires and biases

[@zeepyrope6624]

Same sis

[@fred9136]

It's a well known fact that in ancient Greece they had totally different views on sex and gener, so much so that men sleeping with other men was basically the norm and didnt stop them from also having wives and families. B U T W H A T A B O U T Z E U S?!

[@fruitygarlic3601]

Sexual interaction between men, once they followed the rules, was seen as a high and noble ritual of intellectual bonding - while sex between women was seen as absurd and an example of women's general insatiability. Our societies are really not the same, so forget the legacy of gender in tHe WeSt supporting an incel worldview.

[@justlooking1087]

“Women biologically don’t like feminine men” Have these guys ever seen how many women love Michael Jackson and Prince? Even a lot of Pimps were very feminine by many people’s standards.

[@TheSm1thers]

@@alizatran1988 Not past teenage years they're not

[@buggi__e6644]

@@TheSm1thers wrong

[@avab6044]

Because Prince and Michael Jackson had money lol

[@alizatran1988]

@@TheSm1thers no??

[@TheSm1thers]

@@buggi__e6644 right

[@meganmckenna8796]

"I did have sexual violence against me, you did know that right?" Vaush- "I don't know anything about you."

[@jasonmatthews52]

When an incel labels a woman as a "promiscuous slut", more often than not he's really referring to a woman who he finds attractive that dates any man who isn't him.

[@bimbowithadegree420]

Truer words have seldom been spoken

[@GraveReaperCushions]

✊ *TRUE!* ✊

[@DonnaDoveWinters]

Very succinct. I like it

[@TheMistwalker2802]

THIS! SO MUCH THIS! They are such idiots it's sad.

[@suigeneris2663]

Jason Matthews As someone who these jackasses have tried to charm.....and subsequently called a slut or roastie or whatever, I can attest to this. They will claim to have had sex or gone out with you after a couple e-mail exchanges. Edit: and I’m not talking about cybersex or anything spicy here, I’m talkin, “Hey how are you, how’s your day?” Some of them live their lives almost entirely online. It’s crazy - like some role-play video game. That’s why when they start talking about some past relationship or date I always ask: was this online or irl? I usually don’t get a response. Jesus.🙄

[@ultron-5600]

“There’s nothing wrong with being autistic by the way. Don’t let anybody try to kill you.” I died at this part XD

[@anyakenovna]

Can confirm, I'm autistic and so far have not uhhh let anyone try to kill me lmfao

[@rbguerreiro2466]

I'm autistic and I get laid, maybe just maybe the fact he can't get any woman is totally unrelated to autism. Maybe he just has a horrible personality? But I guess it's harder to assume our own faults and fix them, it's just easier to blame others.

[@rosiejl2798]

@@rbguerreiro2466 Chances are he is insecure, anxious and depressed but instead of getting professional help he has adopted toxic beliefs to put the blame of this onto women and believes that it is up to a women to be his girlfriend and magically fix everything for him. I'm also autistic and have had sex/partners in the past. Taking responsibility for my own mental health and forming a support network has definitely played a part in getting out of toxic rabbit holes too.

[@mr.oliverlaw8863]

I love how Vaush started talking about how men in Greece were expected to the the calm and reserved ones in Greek society and the incel just say “Zeus was the top god” wtf?

[@starrynight1165]

Idk, this whole thimg just feels like.... Idk, witchcraft or something chaotic like that

[@katherinec6656]

Vaush should have brought up Athena and maybe Artemis, if nothing else. They both had feminine traits but could also be extremely masculine and dominant. I mean shit Athena beat her way out of Zeus' head to be born. Frankly I'm disappointed he didn't counter with that lmao.

[@adultdeleted]

@@katherinec6656 i don't know who vaush is but seemed like he was fed up with this incel's bull and decided to play into the incel's assumptions that he doesn't know anything. the incel is so clueless he thinks he won, maybe even to this day. lol

[@marlymcfly1991]

@@adultdeleted For real. Vaush was definitely done at that point. The incel was refusing to understand. But yeah, that Zeus claim was easily counter-able.

[@tarzanoru5627]

I like how nobody mentioned Athena (a woman) was the god of war

[@entertain7us148]

"Yes women get raped more, but that's only cos they're desired more - it's worth the trade!" I'm gonna be sick. not only is this degrading and horrifyingly immoral, it also shows the desperately tragic state of mind of this lonely man: he literally thinks being raped is preferable to not being desired by the opposite sex.

[@lidewijcroes1795]

it's absolutely disgusting

[@MrCmon113]

We'd have to ask someone, who wasn't desired, but raped, to figure that out.

[@entertain7us148]

@@MrCmon113 ... what? I don’t think we have to ask anyone to figure that out... I think it pretty much speaks for itself

[@cortanathelawless1848]

@@MrCmon113 ah yes lifelong trauma is so much better than having to jerk off and feeling lonely. Also as someone who was an incel for most of her life: you're wrong and an incredibly ignorant dingus

[@arp2178]

i mean i disagree with him mostly but i'd take that trade off too. I want to be desired and wanted on that level. I'm tired of people playing dumb with this. And i've been sexually assaulted myself. I would take that risk with the trade off of having stuff paid for by men, being able to be truly reliant on a strong man, etc. ANY day. (i am gay).

[@marisaJ1]

Women want sexual violence and it's a trade off for what exactly? Being alone is worse than being a victim of sexual violence? Has this man ever had a conversation with a woman or had a female friend. Is he aware that there are female prime ministers and CEOs etc? I'm thinking not. It's interesting that the first thing he talked about is dating. As though that's the only thing that women are good for. What world is this guy living in? So sad to be so ignorant and to have such a narrow view of people. He's so rigid in his thinking. Circular arguments are so annoying. Debating with someone who can't distinguish between facts and opinion is infuriating. This guy seems to think women only exist to fulfill the needs of males and we have nothing better to do.

[@Bruh-br6ym]

@Angry Enderman i feel ya...

[@A86]

So sorry that happened to you 💔 Hugs 💗💟

[@emperoroftheuniverse6748]

He needs to feel ok with not conforming to masculine gender roles. I see him as closer to a comrade than you may think. What he’s experiencing, and is failing to describe and understand, is toxic masculinity. If only he knew feminism would help solve that...

[@emperoroftheuniverse6748]

He’s hurt by manliness. It’s not individual women or men that are hurting him, it’s societal gender roles that are hurting him and causing him to be bullied and have a less fulfilled romantic life. He’s probably depressed, which is where all the ‘entitled’ feelings are coming from. He’s saying some real fucked up shit, but we have to understand that it’s coming from a place of hurt and deep sadness and despair. He NEEDS counseling, and once he feels better, he can sincerely apologize for all the fucked up shit he said about women and clarify that it was toxic masculinity that he’s been hurt by, not women

[@dorotheasav8575]

@@emperoroftheuniverse6748 true this is so sad. The guy needs therapy so badly.

[@leogorgone4414]

"Did you know more women are asexual? .... I want to be asexual"

[@KateeAngel]

Funny. I am a woman, and I want to be asexual, but cannot. I am aromantic though

[@dinodare1605]

I kind of do too but the way this guy puts it just makes him seem sad.

[@PomPom-Puppy]

What the hell is this debate, bless vaush for not laughing at some of his points because CHRIST

[@hangukhiphop]

same

[@TheSm1thers]

@@KateeAngel I see you a lot in KZbin comments. Nice armour.

[@bombyx2447]

"It's biologically structured" "I'm not a biologist"

[@xXRockXLobsterXx]

He's *obviously* a rocket scientist! 😂

[@bombyx2447]

@@documentthedrama8279 I never...said that?

[@CorporateShill66]

He studied lobster hierarchies by watching Jordan Peterson lectures XD

[@CorporateShill66]

@@documentthedrama8279 Incorrect. Intersex has been known for a while. Trans refers to gender, not sex.

[@igneousrock569]

bernie bro the existence of intersex people makes biological sex bimodal by definition regardless of the probability. there are more than 2 two sexes, you are factually wrong by definition. search it up if you don’t believe me or something

[@popweezle9856]

"it's rare for a woman to want to control men" a majority of the comments : "fem dommes??" Or "100% would peg"

[@tabbygale5430]

I'm 13 minutes in and he just said "being the submissive in a relationship is impossible" and I need to take a break. I haven't heard something so ridiculous since Kulinski vs. Razorfist

[@Speederzzz]

Heck, I'm a sub in my relationship with myself

[@michellemoore7829]

he needs therapy. He's absolutely trying to get free emotional labor from Vaush.

[@nickcostley9282]

@Michael Sch Managing others emotions, exhaustively investing your time and energy into someone in a one sided way. More or less. Down to talk about it more, but that's a definition

[@starrynight1165]

@Michael Sch its when people dump their problems on you and expect you to fix their entire life

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

@Michael Sch My attempt to explain: Emotional labor = active empathy, caring, attention, mirroring. Customer service jobs are a perfect example of being paid for emotional labor. (For one, you must be able to get emotional, show sadness and concern, in an interaction with a sad customer.) A specific example of the difference is serving in a restaurant. I do the physical labor of serving food, but I also do the emotional labor, which is caring about my guest, caring that they like the meal, caring that they tip me. To break it down, let's do "getting my guest another drink when I see their glass is empty." The *physical labor* is physically bringing you the drink and putting on the table. The *emotional labor* is me caring about you having a refill, I rush to do it because I care that you aren't stuck eating with no liquid, and I care that (if there's free refills) you get to take advantage of that. I do the *mental labor* of keeping track of what kind of drink you had so I remember what to get from the kitchen. People can claim how much someone cares doesn't affect their work but it ends up that the person who cares more is the one that gets it done, it's mental labor too of course, focusing on how the other people are caring and being attentive. Emotional labor is labor. This is why customer service jobs can be exhausting (in a different way) even if there's less physical labor than serving. Because you can't relax for one second, your entire shift you must be prepared to show care and attention and empathy and be ready to have to mirror a customer's emotions. If they are concerned and sad, you must also show sadness and concern. All customer service workers are being paid to do emotional labor: an emotional investment in the emotions of the customer and actively communicating these emotions. It is work! To be clear, I am not trying to put it above all work. I'm definitely not trying to shit on the cooks who labor in the kitchen. But they are happy they don't have to deal with customers! That's my attempt.

[@ravemachin]

@@starrynight1165 after a rave when we used to go chill and everybody was high on MDMA.....emotional labor

[@gaelicfemboy7763]

@Michael Sch Leftist for "man up"

[@leahsanders798]

I stay home because my husband makes more. If I made more, he'd stay home. Dude is talking in circles. Jesus.

[@haniputani]

He needs help

[@xandralinest89]

My fiance has stayed home when I was in a position to make more, and yep he cooked and cleaned. didnt really change very much of our relationship honestly, and I've also stayed home so I can relate to both sides. Whoever makes more financial sense should stay home. I have several female breadwinner friends so I'm not alone, one is not better than the other its a team effort either way.

[@beebunzz5328]

“In what society were men submissive” literally ancient filipino society look it up 😭😭

[@ColieBear18]

"Its very rare for a woman to want to lead" *me laughing hysterically as I climb the corporate ladder and wear the pants in all of my relationships.*

[@ColieBear18]

@Coniferous P lol brilliant response. You sure got me.

[@devchatterjee6553]

We need more women like you. Then we won't have peeps like Jeff bezos.

[@ColieBear18]

@@devchatterjee6553 sure we would. Women are just as capable of the things Jeff Bezow has done. Being a woman doesnt make anyone special. we're all human capable of greed.

[@tieflingcorpse9817]

@@ColieBear18 but what about women like you?

[@ColieBear18]

@@tieflingcorpse9817 I work helping poor communities and advocating for funding for people who have disabilities so I would say I dont fall into that particular camp.

[@byrnetdown6076]

as someone who was at one point assaulted over a period of almost 6 months repeatedly and also as someone who has been alone before and is alone currently because its quarantine being 100% alone is a million times better than being assaulted smfh

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Hey. I hope youre doing okay now. Chin up, it gets better with time. You are strong.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@nice try167 Literally nobody cares. Fuck off.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@nice try167 No. Im questioning your ability to breathe.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

nice try167 fkn cringe dude I truly cannot imagine what trauma you’ve been through to actually say something like that to a stranger

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@nice try167 No. I'm merely astounded at your ability to keep breathing despite apparently lacking anything resembling intelligence.

[@dorotheasav8575]

"I've been bullied my whole life" As a woman, same. I chose therapy. It's my partner's responsibility to fix my depression. Tough truth to learn when your entire perception is obscured by pain and doom, but coming up with pseudoscientific justifications for your misery is not the way.

[@MeldinX2]

Same i've also been bullied most of my life. But i would not dream of blaming my suffering on others. I take full responsibility of my own feelings.

[@paracosmicabsurdity6235]

Fuck you

[@paracosmicabsurdity6235]

@@MeldinX2 and fuck you too

[@dorotheasav8575]

@@paracosmicabsurdity6235 wow you don't have to be mean brother. Talk to a friend

[@BananaPhone502]

It is not your partners responsibility to fix your depression. Its your responsibility to be as healthy as you can be for your partner. Unhealthy relationships do not last, and depression usually causes you to push your partner away.

[@sableteddybear]

"Zeus was a man" no Zeus is a deity and is beyond our puny understanding of gender

[@megauser8512]

I know right!

[@AnonJuggerbot]

Zeus was, variably, a god, a man, a goose, a cow...

[@devinhargrave4451]

You could see the spirit leave Vaush's body when the guy brings up Zeus.

[@Zarastro54]

AND THEN A-LONG CAME ZEUS!

[@dinodare1605]

@@Zarastro54 He hurled his thunderbolt!

[@johngr1747]

ah yes, a fictional character from a probably totally dead religion backs up one's argument.

[@tombrown407]

I keep seeing people mention this zeus thing and the anticipation is keeping me going 'til the end of this one. Its a bit of a struggle listening to the Olympic levels of stupidity on show today,

[@johngr1747]

@@tombrown407 MENTAL GYMNASTICS!!!!!!

[@briankamras2913]

At no point in this conversation did anything resembling a point or argument come from this guy. What even was this.

[@BlakeGeometrio]

A hot mess.

[@bad-orange10294]

Him seeking help i think He brought up personal trauma multiple times

[@VayaKahvi]

Near as I can tell this guy's point is "if you see all this injustice in the world, why aren't you wailing into the void about it?" that is when he comes close to having a point and trying to pin something bad to Vaush.

[@dinodare1605]

The emotional breakdown of an insane person.

[@robinsparkles14]

This is a little messed up, it seems like this guy genuinely has some kind of disability....

[@dinodare1605]

Yeah. It's a good thing that Vaush didn't scream at him, because he was literally on the edge of emotional breakdown the entire time.

[@johngr1747]

I agree. I've known a similar person personally.

[@berzerkerguts]

10000000% agree sis.

[@davidbrobinson1995]

Vaush is really good at handling incels with kid gloves, I genuinely respect Vaush for that.

[@Andrew-jb2ib]

I think Vaush noticed and was very gentle with him.

[@Noahpace56]

"Are you saying that you lost Vaush?" mannnn that kid didn't make a single got damn point the entire video

[@GraveReaperCushions]

"The Black Pill is the Science Pill" Proceeds to dispense least scientific gibberish. I died a little on the inside when he asked Vaush how tall he was in middle school...

[@GraveReaperCushions]

@@RsLeonardo1 I'm going out on a limb here, but I'd swear the reason there are no large scale studies disproving the Black Pill is because the Black Pill isn't really a thing beyond a bunch of common hang-ups shared by miserable bastards in forums. IMHO.

[@suigeneris2663]

subhuman africancel Failure to provide proof does NOT constitute proof in itself. Please, let’s not do this.

[@GraveReaperCushions]

@@RsLeonardo1 ooh, cheers for providing evidence for why you're an incel: nobody wants to date you because you're unfathomably tedious company. Maybe shut down your channel and try befriending people, yeah?

[@GraveReaperCushions]

@@RsLeonardo1 also nice try with the "it's on a wiki, ergo it's true" grift 👍

[@dantealighieri8403]

@@RsLeonardo1 yeah no, tl;dr your link. No one is going to read all that

[@mBUSHattack]

Goddamn, the final quarter really just made me wanna cry. This guy is hurting so bad and it made him receptive to these really bad takes. I hope he can break free of it eventually.

[@halguy5745]

if that guy wants to be a stay-at-home husband, he's free to do it. it seems like the only person stopping him is himself

[@sweetbunnybun]

ye why not, if some guys do stuff at home (cooking, chores, etc), they can stay at home, while their partners work. who cares who does what if both parties participate.

[@Lanoira13]

What really gets me is EVERYONE can do this if they have a partner or partners who consent to that dynamic, but also NO ONE can do this unless they have a partner or partners who consent!!!!! Stop saying "women can stay home" as if any and every woman can go up to the government and say "HALLO WOULD LIKE BE STAY AT HOME WOMAN PLES, AS IS MY RIGHT FOR THE TRADE OFF OF THE WAGE GAP, THANK YOOU" and get a fucking income for being a god damn hermit. No, the trade off for any stay at home partner is to be dependant on your partner and your partner's wage, in return for your labour. That can be slightly less effective for a couple where the wage earner is precieved female, BECAUSE OF THE WAGE GAP AND THEM THEN HAVING LESS TO SURVIVE OFF OF.

[@Dsonsee]

And the fact that he hasn't been able to find a partner, too

[@Zhyro00]

I mean, lets be fair here, there are a lot of barriers put in place to prevent and ostracize men who want to do that, i would argue almost the same amount as a woman trying to work in the 90s or so, and yeah they come from the patriarchy but i think saying "just do it 4head" without considering social pressures its kinda reductive

[@shanaosborne7078]

For me it's the normal as my dad was a stay at home husband and he still seems super 'manly' to me. But I put an emphasis on that as I do t belive in gendered roles. My mum goes out and works and my dad makes amazing food, gardens and goes fishing.

[@k28xl]

"They're better at socializing, I can speak from personal experience" Bro that says nothing literally everyone is better at socializing than you.

[@yasminealshathir2775]

He literally sounds like he's crying the entire time

[@tabbypanda82]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@codeinecowboy8607]

I cri evrytiem

[@AceofSlayge]

“sorry i’m not educated enough” yeah ❤️

[@user-nx1vh4ej9q]

😭😭

[@user-lr6eq5fj8v]

🗿

[@daxter956]

"The top dog in Greece was a guy named Zeus. He made god, pretty much, culturally." I'm so biologically triggered right now

[@vilyda]

As if the Athens warriors didn't worship the patron goddess ATHENA, the woman they named thier city and culture for.

[@swolejeezy2603]

As if Zeus didn’t have male partners too

[@christenw9165]

@@swolejeezy2603 Zeus liked femboys

[@gmc5618]

As a woman who has been sexually assaulted and nearly raped by both women and men multiple times, I can confidently say the social cost of having more leverage in dating is NOT WORTH IT (holy shit)

[@Thunderjames]

When he brought up Zeus I felt my last few brain cells collectively die

[@evillittlemcnuggets]

I couldn’t even process it. Like???

[@ianrusttattoos]

Zeus: who was constantly in fear retribution from his sister-wife and abducted a pretty, young boy to be his sexy plaything.

[@dias8726]

ianrusttattoos 😂😂

[@crylec6534]

Zeus, the guy who has more bastards than Robert Baratheon, a cool beard, and god of zip zap

[@johngr1747]

@@crylec6534 Wrong! Zeus was not only the god of lightning. He also contributed in the evolution of humanity in one cosmotheory.

[@crylec6534]

@@johngr1747 so he is not only zip zap but also a pokemon trainer gotcha

[@permanentstateofawe6544]

From the stories, I wish Hestia had been the leader. There would have been a lot less shit if she were. Being the eldest Titan-born sibling, representing home and stability and all.

[@jaymonkey1456]

I honestly commend Vaush for talking to this dude for as long as he did. I just can't

[@MenuMinyu]

This conversation was a time waster Nothing was gained

[@pongo5271]

latte entertainment.

[@justinlacek1481]

This dude might be a troll cause this shit is honestly hilarious to me. Dude has got to be trolling, and I swear I can hear the smile in his voice and hin trying not to laugh.

[@dereinzigwahreRahl]

​@@justinlacek1481 I don't think so. That guys was all over the place and so confused, Trolls tend to have a plan and know what they are doing to be convincing. The smile and laughter I would say comes from him beeing insecure and trying to overplay it and probably because he sometimes thought Vaushs answer were stupid because he couldn't even understand the most simple points that Vaush was making.

[@justinlacek1481]

@@dereinzigwahreRahl I worry then if he's not a troll. Ngl though, troll or not, this was one of the funniest things I've seen this past week

[@avaphynx]

Incel: "Women facing sexual violence is a great trade off to getting sex." Also incel: "women don't want me" Couldn't imagine why.

[@LuffyBlack]

Hearing an incel try to blackpil Vaush is one of the cringiest experiences ever

[@__A857]

I’m getting so frustrated at Vaush, he doesn’t seem to understand his dash can go through objects

[@johngr1747]

The gameplay overall was pretty bad imo.

[@TheStraightGod]

He is concentrated on the conversation though give the man a chance

[@BaconMaken]

I don't think I could do good in any game if I was talking to this goober, lol

[@francescawhite4166]

kind of feel bad for this guy, don't feel like he was prepared to debate at all

[@blane2472]

Frankly I just think he's just stupid.

[@whatthefrick9315]

JokerMan666 just posted cringe

[@Wyrdangus]

JokerMan666 No communist should ever vote for Donald Trump, which is what voting for literally anyone other than Biden is at this point. It’s harm reduction. Also, he usually calls himself a libertarian socialist or an anarcho-syndicalist/anarchist, not a communist

[@bryanarchy5824]

@@samscheller2331 I know this is off topic but I found out that Vaush supports the TPP which would outsource jobs dont you think that's not progressive?

[@Wyrdangus]

JokerMan666 He’s not an anarcho-communist though, and most anarcho-communists are totally indistinguishable from communists outside of a desire for greater social progressivism and there tends to be far less class reductionism. You’re being incredibly reductive when you say that they’re basically just anarcho-liberals

[@EmmaSpAce111]

30:38 I thought he said "compare a female novel with a male novel" and I was like, has this man ever read a cheap romance novel? (obviously not) You want proof of horny women, there is proof of horny women.

[@brandonvestra]

_"Don't let anybody try to kill you."_ -This incel

[@leventetakacs1641]

that was very strange

[@antonfleck5372]

I guess that's generally good advice.

[@FoosterThePeople]

I died when he said that

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Big brain world view there

[@generalseaslugappreciator4242]

I think he was trying to talk about the phenomenon of disabled individuals being murdered by caretakers. Of course, usually these individuals aren't able to prevent this alone, it's an issue of a lack of support financially and a lack of shelters for them, but this is still an issue for more high functioning people. Cops and the military regularly kill people with many mental and physical disabilities, especially invisible ones. Nice sentiment, but like the rest of what he said in this discussion, very clumsily worded and not very thought out.

[@bertdammer8419]

But Vaush, don't you know? Bad things happen to men too. Most people don't know that.

[@pwnzilla90]

Troll or not, that "Don't let anyone try to kill you" line out of nowhere sent me straight into hyperventilation.

[@davidbrobinson1995]

"Why am I supposed to rape people?" As well.

[@starrynight1165]

This guy needs therapy. Im not even joking, he needs some help.

[@davidbrobinson1995]

@@starrynight1165 I just saw a commenter close to the guy update that he got the help he needed. It's under his debate ranking video.

[@starrynight1165]

@@davidbrobinson1995 oh, good. I hope he's better off now

[@abbylee8971]

"women dont like feminine men" THEN TELL ME WHY I L O V E FEMBOYS AND HIMBOS HMMMM