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[@ContraPoints]

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[@Civablah]

LOVE U

[@mansamusa1743]

ContraPoints Olay knows how you feel if you know what I mean. I'll never stop.ever.

[@salemronkartz6866]

THANK YOU FOR THE UPLOAD DARK MOMMY

[@JustALifelessCocoon]

Imagine how is touch the sky?

[@brendancarlton7326]

I like this.

[@heliopolitan444]

*Imagine believing that having sex is the pinnacle of human existance.*

[@chickennuggets3186]

@@toserveman9317 do you believe sex is the pinnacle of human existence? that's kinda...

[@petersmythe6462]

From an evolutionary standpoint, reproduction kinda is.

[@chickennuggets3186]

To Serve Man oooh okay, so what you're saying that the importance of sex not only comes from orgasms but also the love/attraction to your partner that is inherent in many sexual relationships? If thats so then i understand your point, love, and the sex that usually goes with it, is a very important part of life, but i still think it shouldn't be considered the ultimate goal, I honestly believe there's greater things than romantic/erotic love, maybe you don't, and that's fine too, but i think you shouldn't let it consume you to the point it negatively affects you mental/physical health

[@chickennuggets3186]

Peter Smythe i mean, sure, but that's the difference between humans and animals, we developed more complex goals than the ones nature gave us

[@r.j.grayson6899]

@@petersmythe6462 forgetting that evolution also bends to those who can adapt to survive to procreate. We can look objectively at animals and their ancestors and go "they didn't adapt to meet their needs; they died off because of this, that or a combination of reasons." Humans can do the same. Not everyone will get to have sex. It has never been garaunteed. It definitely isn't a "right" designated by society. Some will adapt and change as needed. Others won't.

[@planetofthegapes]

I'm not a baker, I'm a wheat architect.

[@moamenmoataz6135]

lmao i'm a flour operations specialist

[@fancydragon221]

I am the muffin man

[@rainbrowz]

okay, this one got me 😂

[@einkaya]

I am not a baker, I am a gluten expert

[@mikek9297]

Baking is more science than art tho. A great past time for anally retented.

[@krjames203]

I love the irony of how the phrase “Imagine how a woman feels” is used in that opening text. My assumption going in was that it meant “Imagine a woman’s inner experience.” But no, it turned out to mean, “Imagine the external, physical presence of a woman.” Which seems to be a major part of the problem for incels (and other sexists). They know all too well how they respond to the outward appearance of women. But actually taking the time to imagine real women’s experiences is more than they’re interested in doing.

[@zermanman9891]

There’s nothing wrong with women. Nobody would hate women if they were a chad. So the problem is not with women but with our genetics.

[@gamernerd299]

As a former cell, its meant to pick at isolationist catastrophizing. Physical touch is something I'd imagine most people need, and these guys are really alone, so that pain of it's lack is amplified.

[@Yeatismygloriousking]

Bro his post had nothing to do with that it ain’t that deep 😭 incels can be sexist but you can’t draw anything of the sort from his post

[@lucasgibson2131]

@@Yeatismygloriouskingit was a metaphor bud

[@lucasgibson2131]

@@Yeatismygloriouskingand a good one

[@mushahidhussain1516]

I don’t know how to say this, but you literally saved my life few years ago. I had commented at that time and really used your link to block incel forums. I deleted that comment sometime ago but I just wanted to tell you again that you really really changed my life, specially by sharing your experience, it made it relatable. Love you and have a great life ahead. I hope you read this and it makes your day.

[@jasminepandit9861]

I don’t know about her, but I read this and it made mine :) So happy that you’re doing better now and I hope you have a great life ahead as well!

[@amyfinlayson7101]

❤

[@funkypunkypine]

It made my day, too! Much love to you, whoever you are. ❤

[@hana-a-cha]

Hey, good job! It's great Natalie could be your entering point, but recovering and changing your life is entirely your doing, I really hope you recognize it and give yourself a whole lotta credit for this. Best wishes to you, brother 👍

[@AbuBased731]

[Sand]Çel=It's ØvER lol

[@sycastells1212]

Nothing says "hypermasculine" like a man who feels the need to explain why baking doesn't make him a woman.

[@havocgr1976]

Imagine all the millions of chefs in the world explaining themselves lol

[@alyosha917]

To be fair I think he's poking fun at himself there lol

[@mattz.9677]

Roosh V is a grifter who doesn't even believe half the stuff he pushes. If he could make money off it, he would swallow the Blue Pill

[@gnolo]

There is nothing hypermasculine in a man feeling the need for using the word hypermasculine to describe himself

[@sycastells1212]

True.

[@lancem3443]

My favorite thing about incels is that they think they know everything about women despite rarely ever talking to one

[@culturalcatholic4235]

*never talking to one

[@claudioestrella1160]

The very definition of incel means you try to have be in a intimate relationship, to do that you need to talk to woman.

[@brandidavis4425]

Oh, but don't you know? All that pseudoscience they read makes them eXpErTs

[@ettinakitten5047]

@@claudioestrella1160 Sending unsolicited dick pics and messaging girls with "hey" from your blank account doesn't really constitute meaningful conversation.

[@claudioestrella1160]

@@ettinakitten5047 all incels do that?

[@nikolasgiannakidis2881]

"These pricks care enough about my pussy to be an asshole about my dick" has to be THE most poetic and confusingly surreal sentence I've heard in my life! Well done

[@errrkt]

tru! it was epic the first time i watched. 4 years on, still a banger.

[@nikolasgiannakidis2881]

@@errrkt yeah guess I'm kinda new to the channel. It's been a delight so far

[@tortis6342]

@@nikolasgiannakidis2881 Yesssss. Come to the Contra-side.

[@mygills3050]

@@errrkt burger

[@eddybrevet6816]

@@mygills3050 after England gained some sense a quit following our advice and again made prostitution legal, they don’t hv this problem anymore

[@buttermypickle5054]

As a former incel I wish I could just go back and save myself from the pain I caused myself. I almost died because of that godawful community and my social skills are DogShit now but at least my goal in life isn’t dying anymore

[@alas6260]

Traitorcel

[@buttermypickle5054]

@@alas6260 if not wanting to die makes me a traitor than so be it. I hope you realize that you can be better than this. The incel community doesn’t give a Fuck about you! Please leave them I beg you it’s not too late to be a better man. Your pain is valid my friend don’t yet any shallow men hating woman tell you otherwise.

[@quesadilla9957]

I’m glad you’ve come back to reality and away from hatred. It must be hard trying to communicate with others after so much loathing, but you’ll get there sooner or later.

[@user-mv6yv9ec1b]

@@buttermypickle5054 No woman is gonna offer you sympathy bro

[@buttermypickle5054]

@@user-mv6yv9ec1b bruh my mom literally saw me almost self delete myself and I survived and she was worried for me what crack are you smoking?

[@genevieve6446]

woman brain: baker galaxy brain: b r e a d s c i e n t i s t

[@LlamassU__]

Top 10 ways to get laid as a chef

[@m0thdm]

GALAXY BRAIN

[@stephaniebrady31]

I'm a woman, and a scientist. Does that make me an actual FEMOID?!?!?! 😵 HAHAHA 😆

[@poldmalone1084]

@@stephaniebrady31 no! That word is a horrible word and it’s so painful that people actually use it!

[@walterl322]

Imagine being so insecure in your gender that you have to justify your hobbies and prove that they're masculine hobbies...

[@eman22017]

Steps to being masculine: 1. Identify as a man. 2. Live your life the way you want.

[@brandidavis4425]

4. Take care of yourself.

[@YouLittleRascal]

5. Clean your room

[@manzijoel5224]

6. Don't let the existential dread set in too deep.

[@brandidavis4425]

7. Develop a sense of personal responsibility.

[@YouLittleRascal]

8. Be swift as a coursing river

[@isabell3462]

Abigail really imagined a woman so hard she realized she was one. Iconic

[@reignelover7222]

I always like to rewatch this vid every so often. The part where she talks about purposefully going on harmful forums, and the rationale behind it reminds me a lot of my own time when i was struggling with an ED and lurked in online forums as well. It's the same thing; people posting themselves, KNOWING that everyone is only going to say harmful things, with no intent of actually helping you. It's an incredibly toxic environment, but in a twisted way its almost addictive. I haven't visited these forums in almost a year, but it also took me physically blocking these sites and pages to get me to stop.

[@dkupke]

It’s an abusive relationship

[@KNR6292]

Its made worse after you know its no good for you, but youre stuck in a cycle of leaving and coming back

[@TheLucidDreamer12]

​@@dkupkeit's worse than that. One of the things that separates incels from other hate groups is that the method of convincing people to join is not scapegoating, but vindication. For not an insignificant part of the population, the narrative incels try to sell was their real experience or witnessed happening to someone close to them. This makes it that much harder to quit because it isn't convincing someone to hate something they didn't already hate before. Rather, it's promising forgiveness and solace, a modern-day version of church indulgences

[@dkupke]

@@TheLucidDreamer12 I see definite parallels to the door to door campaigns some by shady congregations like the LDS church or the Jehova’s witnesses. They are deliberately annoying to draw a negative response from people so the poor saps that get roped into it can limp back to the congregation to get love bombed. It’s manipulative af. I’ve also read of men who were in that dark place but happened to have the luck to strike up a relationship-and “the community” turns on them with a vengeance. The worst thing you can do is stray outside the bubble.

[@lisaharris452]

@@TheLucidDreamer12 Interesting point. Thanks.

[@EloquentTroll]

Pick Up Artists and Garbage Men should really trade names.

[@santiagoavelicavillada4977]

T H I S

[@user-lp7fc4iq3u]

How does this not have more likes

[@Falor5151]

This is genius, wtf. I had to just sit back and appreciate this comment.

[@a.t.3192]

Brilliant

[@traceuse13]

😂😂

[@Katzunowo]

I lost my mind at the guy trying to justify liking baking by making it appear like some sort of masculine science He definitely has a case of the fragile masculinity

[@reddddd4090]

i was thinking about subscribing to this girl and then i saw ur comment and now i def am. Love ur voice, art style, and vids, keep it up kat

[@The_Jovian]

I honestly thought it was a joke at first

[@timesweeper9778]

Oh hi Katsun. Didn't expect to see you here.

[@howsjames1]

I do a lot of camping and foraging and male fragility is soooo bad. My favorite example is that no man will call it 'sewing', they have to call it 'repairing' or else they'll spontaneously grow a vagina even though sewing is one of the first things you learn when you start spending time in the woods.

[@treeforged9097]

We all know how much you people like mocking fragile people.

[@helenamirian908]

As a retired-from-sex lesbian who is now happily married to the sea, I identify with a lot of this and again, I thank you, Natalie, for your brilliance.

[@MondeSerenaWilliams]

Wow. I want to be like you.

[@lif6737]

Now that’s a goal

[@Ozzie_Mandias]

So your a stateless pirate?

[@indigo478]

I’m a straight man but I’d also like to fuck the sea

[@sandobando9390]

i absolutely hate lesbians they aint good people

[@shachi50]

Im not saying this for pat on the back but just to let it out. This video made me realize a few things about myself, I was slowly leaning towards a few beliefs of incels over time through isolation. I opened my eyes to how I was treating myself and loved my ones around me, I was disgusted and ashamed of myself and decided to turn my life around. I’ve been working out, eating healthy, and seeing a therapist and I may not be where I want to be in my life but I’m so much happier than I used to be. I’m becoming more confident in myself as a man and my looks, I take care of myself like I should. Im not always on top of my game, but I’m taking a step in the right direction. When you want & strive to be better than you were, you can and will achieve greatness.

[@smeesquatch]

You should be very proud of yourself! It takes an incredibly strong person to look themself in the mirror and decide to pull themselves out of the dark hole they're in. It won't always be linear progress but you're already doing so much better than you were. I wish you all the best, you deserve to live a happy, full and confident life!

[@alfsleftnut9224]

Same here. I've realized that there are specific women who have treated me poorly in my life, but they are not represenatie of all women. I, just like you have also lost a lot of weight, I am down to a weight where I am only slightly overweight. I've gotten and held a good job. I just find it very hard not to hate my self still.

[@emilia885]

thats really fantastic dude :) you deserve to be happy, and I'm happy for you. you clearly have a very strong character and willpower, I hope you are proud of that

[@nope_118]

@@alfsleftnut9224 Congratulation! you have taken the first steps. It wont always be easy and as the comment above says healing is not linear but you are doing great and I hope your journey will continue on well!

[@ei9310]

This comment made me really happy and inspired to try more too

[@arthomancy]

incel's perceptions of chads & women feels like they watched a couple of those stereotypical high school dramas & proceeded to base their entire worldview on it

[@lumen8341]

I mean, in a lot of cases that's pretty much where it started :/

[@blackmagnetictape]

not to mention the whole incel mental narrative is point for point seen in a lot of songs too (teenage dirtbag by wheetus, anyone?)

[@merrittanimation7721]

That's what I was thinking

[@pattykrabbies]

Jesus...

[@pattykrabbies]

blackmagnetictape aw dang that song was catchy :/

[@AslanW]

"I'm not insecure in my manliness, I just like to bake bread because of *s c i e n c e* which is *m a n l y"*

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

These idiots actually think they created science 😂

[@miaj8680]

@@A_Caat How much bread have you eaten?

[@cossin281]

I think you mean *strikes pose* TRANSCENDENTALLY MALE

[@FirstLast-qf1df]

The guy in this video is so insecure about his manliness that he dresses up as a woman

[@yucheung5853]

Hab keinen bock mir einen Namen aus zu denken dioooooooo!!!!!

[@fizzymilk2246]

I genuinely love the way you talk about these issues objectively instead of taking the low-hanging fruit and making fun of these communities. This might be the first time I've heard someone take down the incel viewpoint with sympathy, and it takes so much more effort that way. I know most people would've made a shitty 10 minute clickbait vehicle laughing at these assholes, including me

[@manteca5699]

Even with how this great this video is, there is still a lot of people in the comments who just missed the point and are doing just that, making fun off. As she said in other videos, like the one about cancelling, attacking someone won't change their opinion, it'll just make it worse, and for that imo it is so important to try to understand and disuade instead of to ridiculize and demonize a group.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

The media tell us to hate them and have zero sympathy for them so we should do what our media over lords say right? Props to her for actually looking deeper and with some empathy.

[@sabsain2399]

@@deanfirnatine7814 well, incels fxcking suck and their opinions, ideologies and ideas brew venom and hatred and it's their fault for being like that. So yeah, fxck them. And no, I've seen more people align with incels and misogynists than people that disagree with them

[@Electro_Katarina]

Agreed! Also great profile picture!

[@fizzymilk2246]

@@Electro_Katarina ty :)

[@ZeranZeran]

"Whatever hurts is true" - is a quote that has been burned into my brain because of you, and I mean that in the best way possible. Was never an incel, but this video seriously opened my eyes and made me consider a lot of things about myself, and why others are the way they are. Thank you.

[@barnaliadhikary9421]

Whatever hurts...not necessarily have to be true... It's a blatant generalization

[@sandenson]

​@@barnaliadhikary9421 It's a different perspective you can use to remind yourself that you're often your worst enemy.

[@garmisra7841]

That's the negativity bias, not objectively true. We always feel like it is true ifnit hits nard and makes us uncomfortable and it's so that truth often does that. But there's a difference between the discomfort of learning something about ourselves with actual growth and the discomfort of self flagellation and fatalism.

[@nicolaspernell7940]

U can’t make women your entire reason for living

[@marciamakesmusic]

@@normiesaredegeneratesthatn3331 yikes

[@normiesaredegeneratesthatn3331]

@@marciamakesmusic Go fuck yourself, pal.

[@dylanm3181]

Amen to this. After being rejected by this lovely girl I was dating, I realized how important one's time alone or with friends really is. How in order to be in a relationship, you have to make many sacrifices. You have to find time that you might not have in a given moment. I've done so many great things in the past could months. Been learning how to play the guitar, been to the Hamptons with friends from my club, seen interesting movies, laughed with my siblings. Really. There's so much to life most people forget. A relationship would be awesome. But it'll come when you're finally ready to commit I guess. That does not mean one can't have fun in the meantime ; )

[@mythvrl]

I mean reproduction is the primary goal of all living species on Earth, but sure just disregard biology

[@ladyfeatherinne]

@@mythvrl You are not a fucking animal, as a human being your life can go way beyond just reproduction. Creating art, learning, philosophy, friendship, family, contemplating the beauty of the universe.

[@horricule451]

The fact that Roosh feels like he needs to reaffirm his masculinity just because he baked bread is downright absurd

[@wratched]

What's ironic about that is there are few more stereotypically alpha professions than head chef. As a profession it's widely known to be over-represented by psychopaths, almost as much as surgeons.

[@riley8385]

That's insecurity for ya.

[@JRexRegis]

not to mention, he'd be a pretty masculine guy if he got rid of his fucking attitude, because that shit isn't "alpha" at all. The fact that he can grow a beard that thick and his facial features alone would make him attractive, but every person on this panet will be instantly turned off because of his god damn personality. I mean hell, if they want to follow traditional masculinity as their worldview, more power to them, but it's like they forgot that the stereotypical Man "back in the day" was supposed to be emotionally strong enough to endure his family's hardships, but also kind and caring towards his wife and children, and would cherish them above all else, even his own life. and he certainly didn't need to reaffirm his masculinity every time he did something "girly", because doing that is probably the most "beta" thing a man could ever do.

[@riley8385]

Eh, I disagree. The man "back in the day" was exactly like Roosh. And I don't mean that as a compliment. Yes, what you described was the *image* they tried to present, but the true face was and has always been of insecurity and toxic masculinity.

[@hexum7]

Horricule I like to approach my flower arraigning hobby as a exercise in creating a mathematical model of reality. Errrg!

[@johngleason1776]

It's been years since I got out of this mindset and I always think about how different my life would have been if I never discovered Contrapoints when I was younger and kept going down this rabbit hole. Would I even be alive today if it wasn't for her videos? I honestly can't say.

[@lilo-jg4kv]

glad you made it out

[@jacobh3227]

God job man love u

[@sparksparkle]

V proud of you dude

[@breakingzilian5371]

Got any bitch?

[@Lowclasswarrior778]

You can't escape the truth forever

[@jennah9612]

“I used to live as a man, and I’m not proud of that” had me cackling

[@user-ec4yw5hj3r]

yeah cause it really sucks when youre not a tall handsome male

[@chillout8320]

Literally had to switch teams

[@Azure_Aether]

Watching a grown man have to justify baking as a hobby to himself was the most insecure thing I think I have ever seen.

[@Eris_Norregard]

For me, the most insecure thing I've seen until now was my friend, a 6'3" man with a beard, typically dressed in biker boots and leather jacket, who started feeling unsure about his masculinity because among all the heavy metal bands he liked he also found out he likes David Bowie. Just let that sink in. Then I saw this piece about baking science and I have to admit, it takes the cake.

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

@@Eris_Norregard Literally takes the cake, because it's about baking! 😆

[@alexandriatrenier7366]

And it’s horrible that he feels like that. Men who bake shouldn’t be shamed

[@John_Malka-tits]

Yes men are insecure, pick on them more if it makes you feel better.

[@MensHominis]

@@John_Malka-tits - how would you come up with that interpretation of the comments above, are you intentionally taking the worst twist possible? The video might be for you. I mean, hell, I am insecure about looking too soft as a man quite often (though I know it's irrelevant), but do you really think it's about mockery of male insecurity when we laugh about insecurity about bakery? The dude is a damn pick-up artist!

[@hunsinger]

I think the double meaning of the phrase "imagine how a woman feels" fits this video so perfectly.

[@MissVindicat]

Incel: "Don’t fuck with me."

[@AbhNormal]

Apologies I am big dumb. What's the double meaning?

[@hunsinger]

@@AbhNormal The incels are using "feels" in a literal and physical sense. They can't empathize with a woman's "feelings" because they view women as sex objects, not human beings.

[@AbhNormal]

@@hunsinger ah ok. Gotcha👍 That really is disturbing and depressing at the same time

[@youtubesucks2755]

@@hunsinger You still don't understand what incel means. Just go to a forum and see for yourself how they feel about themselves. They view everybody as sex objects not just women, which includes them also. And they judge themselves the harshest.

[@Gormathius]

Jesus that opening is a great way to find out how innocent you are. That took "imagine how a woman feels" in a completely different direction from what I expected, even knowing the topic is incels.

[@Violet-McGriddle]

Few things have helped me in my transition more than Natalie saying that her brutal self-criticism began to affect how she saw other trans women. I immediately recognized i was starting to do the same and my life has been so much better since I started working on loving myself

[@uncensored008]

"I am not a woman. I am ultra masculine as you can see" is one of the most insecure things I've heard a man say.

[@SubZero557]

uncensored008 That was so fucking sad. I almost felt bad for him.

[@gp8189]

hello I am man as you can visualize by the beard but even me, man with beard, enjoys sunsets???

[@merrittanimation7721]

It really is. It's not as if baking or liking artwork suddenly causes the average woman to say "Welp, he seemed masculine but obviously a man who can stand cooking is obviously an unsuitable mating partner". Perhaps there are some women who do think like that but it occurs to me that they're not a majority.

[@soundofroz6835]

Yep, I was almost expecting him to pull down his pants to prove it at that stage lol

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

I think it's possible that Roosh and other "Alphas" might themselves be Trans or otherwise queer in some way. I think it would help explain their obsession with but also deep confusion over masculinity.

[@nisjdhsi]

Dude, most people think that being able to cook well is attractive

[@cottage-core_]

It is, quite literally, pretty hot

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

When a guy can't cook I automatically lose interest. I imagine myself having to do all the work. As much as I love to cook and in very good at it, I don't want it to become a chore. In a relationship you should share the cooking.

[@normiesaredegeneratesthatn3331]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet You want a beta male as a partner? Fuck off.

[@cottage-core_]

@@normiesaredegeneratesthatn3331 Sir, you sound like you can't even make boxed mac n cheese.

[@cottage-core_]

@@normiesaredegeneratesthatn3331 Cool. Get a hobby, honey.

[@femboy_fatale69420]

as a young trans guy, I'm just realizing that I have a similar sort of self-destructive habit, seeking out brutally honest feedback about whether or not I pass. I always get pissed off when people I know tell me I look like a guy because I know they're lying to me and I hate it. I just want them to tell me I look like a little girl and get that satisfaction no matter how much it hurts. If there were a forum like that for trans men I might have found, I probably would have fallen down that rabbit hole too. Thanks for talking about this, and great video as always ContraPoints

[@misterblueskyyy]

I've come back to this video again and again for years. This is what gave me valuable tools against lifelong self loathing- which I have spread to other people as much as I possibly can- that I had never heard the like of before. It's also what got me to wake up and recognize my own dysphoria. Five years later, I'm a man. And I'm more myself and more alive than I ever thought I could be. I can't thank you enough.

[@painunending4610]

You were never an incel

[@devchatterjee9642]

I'm sorry as an indian guy I cracked up when i heard the word "chadpreet". the creativity lawl.

[@notsafeformiranda4271]

Dude all of this is so funny I understand

[@OmotolaALawal]

I died at RICECEL and CURRYCEL wtf😂😂😂😂. i honestly Expected "Tyrone" and "Chang"....but not Chadpreet. Khan would have been better.

[@james35813]

The fact that the other two are real names had me floored lol

[@cargoloyalty9978]

I Call Bullshit I kinda wish Tyrone started with a Cha like the others. They really let the ball slip on that one.

[@AnisaThePunk300]

no literally im half indian and that was so funny to me...i feel like i never see SE asians referenced specifically in online discourse and that took me out

[@sadstarfish7]

You can like baking as a guy. Remember the people laughing at you aren't getting the brownies.

[@pernishkatehaswaytoomanypl8273]

Yeah I've noticed there's so many guy-chefs on the TV

[@ASBlueful]

It's really strange. Men can naturally become famous chefs, cooks and culinary authors, but women, who are normally associated with cooking, cannot as easily achieve these things.

[@amhk5918]

@@ASBlueful it's almost as if society just expects women to be able to cook and when they are really good it's just another girl who can cook.

[@ASBlueful]

@Anon Ymous I sincerely hope that you are being sarcastic.

[@corneliahanimann2173]

@@ASBlueful well let's hope he never meets a woman that is better at anything than him because then he'd be sooooooo pissed

[@magetaaaaaa]

This is one of the worst, but the problem is much larger than this one particular community. A while back I wanted to understand OCD better so I headed over to the OCD subreddit... My god, the suicide posts, the hopelessness. It's the same thing - a belief that nothing can change, that their disability cripples them for life and there are no options left etc... If you were diagnosed and wound up there you could easily be poisoned by the mindset there. To put things in perspective there is another support subreddit for quitting caffeine. You see people there talking about taking months to recover, about getting their emotions back etc... I've never heard anyone talk about caffeine withdrawal like that before. It just goes to show that even something that isn't a big deal to most people can be made to look like the end of the world when you wind up on these forums. I am largely against support forums for this reason - you'll only see the worst of the worst and there is no therapist or neutral mediator steering healthy conversation - it's just a bunch of miserable people feeding off of each others skewed and distorted ideas. Someone on another KZbin video made a chilling comment - if you've spent a lot of time in very angry or polarizing places on the internet, there's a very good chance that your ideas and thoughts aren't really yours anymore. Months away will change and reset you. It is very easy to get lost in that kind of stuff.

[@dmd91101]

I've found a similar environment in chronic illness support forums. There's the positive side where you find people who understand what you go through, but there's also so much hopelessness and fear and helplessness and people who wish they were dead. I had to get away from that before I started living my life to its full potential despite the limitations of my illness.

[@noheterotho179]

I mean, OCD is a mental illness that can be debilitating so it seems a bit irresponsible to compare it to incels, if a guy with incel ideology never enters a forum and is left untreated, he'll either grow out of it or just be bitter. If someone with ocd Is left untreated, they'll likely try to kill themselves. Getting help for OCD is so much harder than getting help for being an incel because if you tell someone you view women poorly, they'll correct you and explain why you're wrong. If you tell people your symptoms of OCD, they might very well treat you like a monster or freak, because not only is mental illness still stigmatised, a huge symptom of OCD, is your mind floods you with horrible thoughts, not 'I'm not good enough' kind of thoughts but 'I can't hold a kitchen knife or I'm afraid I'll stab my sister', now that person would never stab their sister but the illness in their minds is trying to convince them that they are capable of it. If you told the average neurotypical person that you struggled with that thought, what's the likelihood they'll be educated enough on ocd to understand that ocd often floods you with violent and hateful thoughts but they don't reflect on the person themselves? I've seen people online try to talk honestly about OCD and be told they're monsters and that their thoughts are all true reflections of themselves, even though that's literally the opposite of the truth of the illness. Now imagine getting that same hate and fear, but from your closest friends and family I'm personally very lucky, I'm able to imagine a very happy life for myself with my OCD and all, so I'm far from a doomer, but I think it's so unfair to judge others by myself. Just because I'm lucky enough to have a support system and access to therapy, doesn't mean everyone is, and I'm in no place to tell someone worse off than me that they should feel better and their life isn't that bad. Especially when a lot of doomerism around OCD isn't about the actual illness itself, it's about the social stigma around it. Having to hide an essential part of who you are out of gear your friends will think you're a monster is.. Well, not good for you mentally. Not attacking you or anything , I just thought your comparison was kind of poorly thought out. It's like being surprised and horrified that a support group for depression talks in depth about suicide attempts, in order to heal from something awful, you need to actually say what that awful thing. Thanks for hearing me out!

[@TikoVerhelst]

I've come across this in the most innocent communities. For example the language learning community. Most people don't know this, but people learning a language/languages can sometimes form into, well, a community. And not just a bunch of turtorials about learning Japanese. But, oh man, the moment you're in, the moment you're like deep in, that's when stuff turns nasty. After you've taken your "Japanese for beginners" course online, that's when you'll fall into a world of insecure people all bullying each other. We have the six levels (A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2) and we can't be obsessed about skulls, but we will be obsessed about the amount of words you know and the level you think you have. (There are exams, but people will often not take those and just guess the level they are at.) And the term that everything evolves around is "native speaker". That's our version of Chad or getting a woman. With people in the community often having thoughts like "I'll never be a native speaker. They'll always be able to clock me." As a lot of people want to learn a language and speak it so well that native speakers don't notice that language is not their native language. (Basically passing.) A LOT of people are positive in the community. With videos like "how to start speaking to native speakers" which contradict this whole idea by saying "even YOU can talk to native speakers". Which is why I think this community hasn't become as toxic as some others yet. But man, that community can send you down some dark paths. Forcing yourself to memorize useless thousands of words of vocabulary for no real reason. Just because some internet stranger told you "you'll only be a native speaker if you know 10 000 words. Otherwise you'll never be a native speaker." I think every community centered around getting good at something, like music art or learning a language, has to deal with this problem.

[@Badartist888]

I find this on a lot of autistic places. Simply suggesting you can work on social skills and anxiety gets me labeled as "ablest" and "hating myself". Like I don't want to improve myself for others. I just want to be able to go to the shop without having a panic attack. And thanks to working on things for years... I can.

[@pokelover02]

TW: I was there when Elliot Rodger killed those people. I was 19. A month before that, I’d been raped. After the shooting, I watched Elliot’s videos and realized there are men out there who will rape you, and if they can’t rape you, they’ll kill you. It really fucked me up. It’s been almost 10 years now and I’m still dealing with symptoms of CPTSD. For a while, I had suicidal thoughts, but a dear friend told me that I’m valuable. To anyone reading this, just know you are valuable for simply existing ❤

[@kataevellei415]

Holy shit. I sincerely hope you are better now, at least a little.

[@anon3233]

I feel sad and sorry for you, hope you are in a better place.

[@Sir_Bucket]

Hope things are better for you now, take of yourself, and enjoy life as much as you can

[@invisibleman4827]

I'm really sorry that happened to you. As a male S.A survivor myself (albeit 20 odd years ago) I want you to know you're not alone, and there are good people on your side 🫂

[@Wraiven22]

So sorry you went through this… can’t imagine how strong you’ve had to be. So glad you’re still here with us ❤

[@leon6777]

"I am outing myself as a Baker" The epitome of privilege

[@pridemoth_]

I once had a teacher say: "I gotta come out... As a Spiegel subscriber." We were all very disappointed

[@phoebe.aur0ra]

Lol my dad's a pastor and he was watching a very serious video about "closet christians" in the workplace, afraid to be "outed" as a christian because they believe they'll be fired. Edit: and he was also very serious about it... I came out about 2 years later 😂

[@valeriapino2721]

Fynn Mint what was his reaction???

[@mooshicks]

@@phoebe.aur0ra i too am interested in the response

[@phoebe.aur0ra]

@@valeriapino2721 lmao I came out as gay and enby and he still doesnt use my name, and also told me that he believes God will make me straight... Needless to say I've lost a fair amount of respect for him Edit: Meanwhile I still wear makeup, paint my nails, and most everyone else calls me Fynn so...

[@sessena7919]

Are you a siren trying to get us into the sea to devour us?

[@mathieuleader8601]

Imagine Nat as Scylla

[@user-yr8ge3fz8o]

it's working

[@LoganMillett]

Personally I was pretty turned on by the rain

[@SinisterGrapefruit]

Literally Propaganda i don't know if you're memeing but it was legit getting me there

[@Khandrake]

Just look at that ocean though

[@Maldanil]

I think this made me realise I'm sort of a gay black-pilled incel without being part of that community. I never once had the idea to hate someone for my misfortune though (although the gay community is super superficial and definitely needs to change). I do feel like because of my looks AND personality I will never be able to find a partner. I think most incels just deal with depression, social anxiety and body dysmorphia which is horrible. I wish help was more accessible and effective.

[@lovroleutar8511]

There is no help for bad genetics. That is the brutal truth of life.

[@steelheartii6525]

Dude, just try to get some help first - friends, a new hobby, a therapist maybe. If u feel happier, the relationship part will sort itself out, promise!

[@battlemage-yx6zw]

​@@lovroleutar8511Did we just watch the same video?

[@IAmNumber4000]

Every once in a while the “Yes, I am outing myself as a baker. I am _not a WOMAN,_ as you can see” Bread Scientist quote enters my head and I can’t stop thinking about it 😂

[@smellyface101]

"Ultra masculine bread scientist" I'm dying. Roosh can't be a real person, he is a caricature, a parody of a human being.

[@ShiningDialga]

misanthropicbyday It shows you what an insecure simp he really is, when he has to justify something as neutral and inane as a love for baking with a reason why it makes him ultra masculine.

[@LeoMidori]

Scary how many of these unanimated cartoon characters are becoming real sources of trust and information in current society. Or at least a misguided subset of it.

[@redsands1001]

I mean it could be a ploy. In my experience ladies have liked that I bake bread and pastries and can cook an elaborate meal. I think they appreciate the skill and effort. Of course I am dead inside in regards to romance so I'm at least a good friend to have

[@wezzuh2482]

yeah, and where did he get the idea that cooking is somehow never associated with the masculine? Many famous chefs have a notoriously masculine aura such as Gordon Ramsay, or even just taking KZbin's home cook as an example; Binging with Babish.

[@XRXaholic]

"I garden. I'm not a woman though. Gardening is like science and men like science. I'm a flower scientist"

[@subroy7123]

*I AM OUTING MYSELF AS A BAKER*

[@therealscarred2112]

Sub Roy A Baker, or a *B A K I N G S C I E N T I S T* ? There’s a difference, you know. ;-)

[@subroy7123]

*The immortal U L T R A M A S C U L I N E S C I E N C E O F B R E A D I S M*

[@subroy7123]

No state can hold you now. Contra has already turned your heart. Dagon calls from the sea. *whispers* Go Ian....go!

[@dominantpersona3326]

Gays cant eat at my bakery

[@mariaquiet6211]

@Kirby the Fearsome and Terrible Of course Roosh is joking, once the internet forces him to confront how wrong or just plain ridiculous he is. "Silly SJWs it was all satire can't you take a joke???" Works every fucking time.

[@pathseeker8921]

As a trans woman, you are one of the few people who can actually be credible when talking about what heterosexual relationships are like from both ends of the spectrum. Great video!

[@mundicepodre7033]

lmao ur still a guy 😂

[@ajakakakak]

That beginning I couldn’t help but say “okay calm down wattpad”

[@Sleepy12ftPanda]

(hears "110 pounds of recreational equipment") Brain: *T h a t ' s a l o t o f d i l d o s.*

[@Silverwind87]

*THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE*

[@frogwart70]

IDK those sex machines can weigh an awful lot...I hear.

[@Silverwind87]

Chesh The Cat It could just be a 110 pound sex robot.

[@breetoldyouso]

best comment tbh

[@gekkobear1650]

Or a few lead dildos

[@ih8myfriends]

I thought the opening line “Imagine how a woman feels...” was going to be an invitation to see the world from a woman’s perspective. That was an unpleasant moment of adjustment.

[@christopherb501]

I know, right?

[@christopherb501]

@@spliffrotation7238 ...you have problems, man. SERIOUS problems.

[@ard1805]

ih8myfriends The first bit sounded pretty good to me. Second part took a turn though...

[@christopherb501]

@@spliffrotation7238 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ-Ydmqcmq97rZI

[@jessreinhardt4408]

Stran Gling-twittur-hores Hello. We’re people. People should care about each other.

[@therayven741]

Love learning from your videos. Never heard of "catastrophizing" before. Definitely a problem I have. When I finally see a therapist, will be good to bring this up

[@artival22]

I think its also important to mention that there are always trolls on incel forums who're just there to mock these people and cause additional harm by pretending theyre part of them

[@kevinlechuga_]

To this day “never heard a song in his entire life” haunts me. Why do Chads reject the gift of music

[@tyiffpeijc8702]

I didn't understand that. What is that referring to? Is it actually a thing that "chads" don't like music?

[@sebastianswan7975]

Never heard music is a metaphor, instead of hearing, they're living in their own music. That's what they mean.

[@tyiffpeijc8702]

@@sebastianswan7975 Oh, huh. I never heard that metaphor before. Thanks for explaining ​ @• •••• Your snarkiness is really attractive. Good to know when people have genuine questions, you'll be there to answer honestly. Get bent.

[@tyiffpeijc8702]

@@deepstariaenigmatica2601 lmao

[@ganondorfchampin]

The original Chad is a joke, it's not supposed to be a desirable person. It's based on an older meme called virgin walk, which is the virgin as presented on the left. The Chad on the right is actually making fun of the entire red pill ideology by taking everything about the virgin and making it as far from it as possible, pretending it's something desirable when it's just silly. The reason Chad has never listened to music in his life is just because the virgin is listening to music in the virgin walk.

[@brycelavender2255]

I bake But I no women I big man Bake science Men like science

[@citizeninsane8518]

reminds me of Contrapoint's intro in her video about men

[@mfrebel7831]

Brillant!!

[@cocopus]

its really easy to put people down

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

I like cookies

[@jymbo1969]

@@cocopus he put himself down.

[@dionelcarreno1832]

I have always said that what separates a depressed boy from an incel is the environment where he develops. To this day. I still fit in the "incel" category, but what has kept me mentally "sane" is staying away from those types of toxic and harmful environments, focusing my life on seeking my own happiness and feeling comfortable with myself, while time seeking therapy when I needed it most. Life is extremely difficult when you feel like it's you against everything else, but not all truths hurt and you're never really alone. we must remain hopeful. Great video, immediate subscription!

[@rhapsodyoffire5801]

Now I'm thinking about, if weren't for the female figures in my family i would definitely be into incel forums being extremely misogynistic

[@insirable3127]

Only looks and height matter. You will never experience love, so cope or rope.

[@mirceapuran6404]

@@insirable3127 nice try ya death cultist

[@Max16032]

The remarkable thing about this video is how you offer your perspective from both sides, which opens a wider picture on the matter instead of just simply vilifying its qualities. As you pointed out, the only real way to understand hatred, is to learn from it. Good job!

[@Pistolita221]

And that they're suffering from body dysmorphia and depression.

[@alexonline2340]

incels are the clearest sign to me that support for mental wellness, especially for men, is at an all-time crisis. this is a nightmare.

[@useroffline9999]

The Liberation it’s especially frustrating to see the neoliberal brand of feminism where “it’s feminist when woman does thing” (usually cis, white, conservative women) which does nothing to address intersectionality, transfeminism, or toxic masculinity.

[@fruitygarlic3601]

The Liberation Feminism turned things upside down? When did women get that memo? I still have the same fears as my great-great-grandmother, but whatever.

[@betterlatethannever4536]

@@theliberation9061 "You dicks" are the ones who made the system, so if you're fed up with it, then help change it instead of waiting around for women to do it for you. If your answer is "the world was better when half of humans had less agency, we need to go back to that" then you're doing it wrong.

[@MrCmon113]

@@theliberation9061 It was even harder to get laid before feminism. The chad class was even more rigid. Just like capitalism is preferable to feudalism, dating is preferable to arranged and economic relationships.

[@shanez1215]

And the pandemic made this even worse too :(

[@spookyspice596]

Imagine being so insecure in your masculinity that you feel the need to publicly defend cooking your own food.

[@mysticjason05]

Um excuse me, it's bread scientist. LOL! That gets me every time.

[@ebonydarknessdementiaraven8732]

bread science*

[@wendymontie5660]

But, does he 'engineer a gluten-based architectural construct w/tomatoes, deli meat and mustard'? Or must he have a 'femoid' (?) come make his sammich for him? Cripes, I'll bet Roosh gets all kinds of 'tingly feelings' watching the Great British Baking Show where men (and women) of all types are just whipping out the 'Chemistry and Science' of biscuits and cakes...

[@sgshumblecrumb6046]

Imagine being someone who's such a conformist, that being "outcast" makes them go on murderous rampages.

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

I agree! The immature western culture breeds insecurity for some white men

[@brotherkurp]

Girl your videos are literally a work of art, can't wait to binge the rest

[@TheHitmar99]

girl?

[@JwismaAjsmaka]

Deluded sick minded man *

[@MortemerRouge]

Honestly got me tearing up a few times through this, especially when you started talking about passing and not passing. You're beautiful and anyone that thinks otherwise prolly has a big head themselves

[@ZenGaijin]

A friend posted this and i think it's perfect for this video. "You can't hate yourself into a version of yourself you love"

[@hacked6613]

I guess it depends on what kind of person you are. I work off of negativity. I work off of telling myself that I’m not smart enough, not attractive enough, not in good enough shape, not hard-working enough, etc. I take this as a challenge to prove myself wrong. I know I can change all of this, so knowing I can become better motivates me. It depends on the person I guess, but I will grow a lot more in a room of people that hate me and talk shit about me than being in a room around people who tell me to love myself.

[@collhem]

@@hacked6613 I get that fuel more than empty platitudes. We reduce love to not allowing anything critical, but I think if we expand our understanding of self-love to include growth, we will improve and be better. You clearly ultimately and deeply love yourself and your ability to challenge yourself and grow in areas YOU desire (positive fuel). Our egos need to be balanced so we can be critical and better and empathetic and human. The point is to not bash ourselves into defeat or brush off any attempt to become better and pretend we are already and always perfect. True self-love fuels you into the version of yourself you desire.

[@arthurgabriel7715]

anderson being physically attractive is hardly worth the trouble. It isn’t even that important to begin with. Yes, beauty is power. However, a lot of other things are power as well, like being smart, having capital, physical prowess etcetera. Even so, having power/influence is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Experiencing a happy life has infinite mediums, power or love are just two of them.

[@hacked6613]

Colleen Hemsing You put that quite eloquently, thanks for another viewpoint, I really appreciate it :)

[@elanorpuppydoggowoofles2147]

anderson You can't just blame your face when skeletons are getting pussy!

[@amanda4716]

Something about the phrase "Chads of color" is incredibly funny to me

[@squashfei8907]

COC

[@jennali9800]

It combines a somewhat stiff-sounding, 'politically correct' phrase "people of color", with a memey, informal, and non-politically-correct word Chad. The contrast is funny.

[@rainydot5442]

@@squashfei8907 hehe cock

[@vickerandflips8061]

Some mgtow will see this thread and adopt this phrase

[@SeanStrife]

@@vickerandflips8061 ...fuck.

[@brysonbeaver6189]

I have to say I'm watching your video right now, not even done watching, just subscribed and am pausing the video to type this: Thank you. I am a 36 year old man, happily married for 7 years, but your videos have truly helped me understand so much beyond the scope of my own small corner of the world. You are an inspiration to me and your intellect is staggering, but most importantly, I believe you make a genuine effort to sincerely understand the topics you cover. Keep up the great fucking work. 😊

[@steve93pa]

Okay, I did not think I was going to stay and watch the whole 35 minutes but the way you began without the whole "your mere existence as a man is a red flag" vibe you get from most content creators (even the ones who claim they want to help you address your problems) is what made me stay. Your video didn't make me feel belittled, mocked, coddled, intimidated or anything, really; you just put the truth out there, as it is. I really like how you showed the steps on the downward spiral. I guess I'm at step 5 and while I don't think I'll go beyond it, some content creators who lack your objectivity were definitely helping me down towards step 6. Thankfully, this video helped me realize I do have friends but the way I'm going, isolating myself and all, I feel they won't stick around for much longer. I have to stop that and possibly change my thoughts about a lot of stuff. I guess I have a lot of work to do so thanks for this. Maybe I'll come back to this when I'm in a better space and hopefully say something different.

[@Daneelro]

It's good that Contrapoints made you stop at Step 5, but you need to climb back over the previous steps. Don't blame content creators for your downward spiral. The content you watch is your choice (or the choice of an algorithm you let make the content choices for you), and the way you understand and interpret the content you watch doesn't depend on the presenter alone but also on your biases and cognitive limitations. When people descend into cult-like communities like incels, they take on ideas that serve as thought-blockers. Contrapoints is effective because she purposefully steers around those thought-blockers. But other people who fail to do that while criticising the cult aren't the reason for your demise, the cult - which issues the thought-blockers and the toxic and irrational ideas those blockers are meant to conserve - is. Say, you vision things into content like a "your mere existence as a man is a red flag vibe". Identifying that vibe is something you must have been pre-conditioned to by certain content you watched previously. I'm a man who has seen several videos analysing and criticising the incel movement from several different content creators, and I never got such a vibe from anyone, it strikes me as bizarre. This certainly looks like one of those thought-blockers; this one apparently built on cultivating & enhancing a sense of male fragility.

[@gustavsjokvist2668]

I Dr K/healthy gamer is a good resource for incels, it's genuine advice but without the nihilism

[@Badartist888]

@@gustavsjokvist2668 He is better than a lot of options and has some good advice, but I still get a weird vibe from him. I'm waiting for the inevitable scandal that comes when I get that vibe.

[@morbidhime]

hope you're doing well rn mate

[@ThreeArrows]

"Rope fuel" ...maybe the whole internet-thing wasnt such a good idea afterall.

[@jaojao1768]

Three Arrows could you debunk either the Coudenhove-Kalergi or the Rothschild conspiracy theories?

[@yellowbeard1]

Sir Jaojao I’ll be honest I’ve heard of Rothschild conspiracy theories but not the other one. I’m sure if Three Arrows does a video on it the video will be great

[@AgentDougieJones]

Internet confirmed for worst thing humanity created

[@mrbadguysan]

I was still concussed by "roastie". Love your work, by the way.

[@sk8p0nk]

The enternet is great because I use it for entertainment and education and not for digging into a bunch of morbid bullshit.🎈

[@k_a_y_l_e_e]

i mean, honestly, all jokes aside--this is really, genuinely sad. i don't mean pathetic or pitiable, but just straight depressing.

[@NZsaltz]

​@leaves autumn Did you even watch the video? The point is that although some may be very ugly or just slightly below average, it's like an online self-harm chamber. Contra points (lol) out how there are short men who still get laid, and how a lot of incels are like that because they refuse to believe that people don't like their attitude. She highlights a post at one point where the incel literally denies it.

[@alejandrobolin5224]

First off, maybe it wasn't the intention but that last "How about an Asian guy?" claim just seems like you're saying that an asian guy is inherently unatractive, which I believe is not true, I've seen a lot of asian guys and women who are atractive, and if you're saying that because of their height, they can still be atractive even with that and they can still be tall. Either way, even though things like: height, face and body physique, can be very important things to a straight woman, I think is no different to how we straight males value those sorts of things as well in a woman, for me even "resigning" can be kind of harmful, not that being ugly is bad in any way, but it's pretty obvious that when you're unattractive you have to find new and different ways to get people into you. Specially, because "beauty" in some respects can be subjective, some of it is completely biological, sure, but a good chunk of it depends on the person. The problem with incels is not just the fact that they're "unatractive", hell, a whole lot of them are average looking guys, is that they create themselves an incredibly toxic environment that doesn't allow them to grow up as people. In this world there are pretty people, ugly people, average looking people, short, tall people, you name it. But at the end of the day, you should stop getting so caught up on those things and just learn to appreciate yourself as a person, you and nobody else.

[@Mark-0O]

a female doesn't know what depression is, females have an easy ride in life, just look at how few homeless women there are, my government puts females at the top of the list for housing even before a homeless man, something needs to change in this world, men are 2nd class citizens, if I ever kill myself i will hang myself in the town centre to punish the government.

[@snowiiiiie]

@leaves autumn white women don't find Asian men attractive??? Lol have you ever heard of kpop fans, they're crazy over Asian guys. It's really about your attitude

[@booloo2402]

@leaves autumn that hasn't been my experience. Men I have seen who say they are attracted to "intelligent women and nice women" just go for the ones that just go for the ones that are just pretty nothing more. I'll just say this once and for all, looks at the end of the day don't matter, staying in the corner mumbling to your will never let you find some one would and would just be a self fulfilled prophesy. And if every woman you have met dissed you. I feel like that is on you and how you act. In other words Grow the fuck up and get over high school. Depression and self hate is very toxic I have been in that self hate phase. Its not pretty

[@ATherapeuticEdge]

You are.. just amazing. Moreover this was the most interesting and thoughtful, and darkly funny, examination of this psychological happening I've found. Thank you for what you do. -a Therapist

[@akiko3688]

Therapy is worthless shame on those who take money from the less fortunate

[@nerdyfalco408]

I didn't realize this video was old as shit until you mentioned it's *2018*

[@victoriangm7774]

Unrelated to incels, but as someone with anxiety this is the best explanation of catastrophizing I've ever heard.

[@jeffmacdonald9863]

Masochistic epistemology also hit home.

[@morfrid4262]

Yes, I was watching that part and was like "I've had that thought process about my job countless times.."

[@wiwisjxkalnz]

On point

[@jessjose3638]

True

[@Koters9]

Yea i always feel like a child of the apocalypse alot of the time :/ and not even an incel

[@vickerandflips8061]

A man saying the words: "I am ultra masculine" is about the cringiest thing ive ever heard.

[@vickerandflips8061]

@Fat Face Bork Laser you cannot possibly be dumb enough to not get why that's cringe.

[@aendra6495]

on the same level as calling yourself an alpha/sigma male

[@victoriacasalenuovo7948]

Watch her video about cringe culture

[@vickerandflips8061]

@Succubi Seduction you're a simp for men, it would seem.

[@vickerandflips8061]

@Succubi Seduction so you're calling men simps? Wow that sounds very misandrist. Nice try, simp.

[@mephisknowfeles]

It extremely sad that many kids get caught in this conspiration theories. It's horrible and I have to say that the worst part is that I understand how this can happen. It is so frustrating to get rejected by girl after girl and finding no explanation. I have been lucky enough to have amazing female friends who made me see how having an irrational hate towards women is just stupid and fixes nothing, furthermore, they've helped me to find self-worth in my darkest moments. Nevertheless, several days a week I find myself asking why it is that girls who I like never seem to give a shit about me and why I get no matches in dating apps. Going from the red pill to the black pill is way easier than what u might think. This is a mental health issue and could become a crisis.

[@mangss9602]

i already can tell you are either short bad looking or both man it’s not your fault you are having trouble dating and if you’re truly black pilled you are already smart enough to know this

[@dfrank2003]

Amazing video, also “volcel if you wouldn’t” slayed me

[@magicmulgar7446]

I am a Chadcel. I am unable to get laid due to my unbelievable Chad energy.

[@brandidavis4425]

🙌🏻

[@seasonsgreasons69yearsago48]

I can feel the radiations through your comment oh god oh no.exe

[@bubblegum-uo5pf]

i can feel the chad energy through this comment

[@xanthippus3190]

That's monk mode

[@JackedThor-so]

Amen to that.

[@noodle71110]

Ultra masculine bread scientist

[@millenniumhandandshrimp2610]

He goes out and hunts the bread down with his spear every day you know.

[@Martdogg3000]

His science is tight.

[@AudibleAnarchist1]

Kropotkin.

[@Anastasia1993116]

Ultra masculine baker

[@saltini1998]

You are amazing. I've laughed so much, learned so much and felt sad so much. But mostly laughed. Thank you

[@seekinggodseekingtruth]

i wish i could watch contrapoints all dayyyyyyyyy this kind of high-status self love is like medicine for a broken heart

[@NecrotronE-dgelord-tx3fk]

simply deluded

[@VHarlequinxQueenV]

Your make up in this video is absolutely sublime

[@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957]

I was just thinking that. Looking in my cellphone camera like "man, I have to up my game..."

[@Jess-ds1dw]

I know right?! The lipstick is especially on-point, and I love how the lighting colour changes change the way the makeup looks. Natalie stepped it UP.

[@dantefloressq]

In each lighting change i was like OH. SHE REALLY BE LOOKING LIKE THAT. GOD IM GAY

[@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957]

Yeah, I'm sitting here like "I'm way too gay for this..."

[@VHarlequinxQueenV]

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way

[@carolinelim5557]

I really hope Roosh starts taking up more "feminine" hobbies so we can see what excuses he comes up with.. "So I've decided to out myself as someone who knits...but you know, knitting does involve a complex branch of mathematics to create unique patterns and algorithms with wool, and as men are more mathematically minded"

[@headoverheels88]

"Bread Science"

[@senorPachuChay]

Bread *Scientist

[@sumanoskae]

"So I've recently started frequenting gay bars... but you know, riding dick in squatting reverse cowgirl is a physically demanding activity that requires healthy muscle mass and endurance in order to maintain rhythm; men are really more suited to it than women." - Roosh, circa 2018

[@SSelkie3]

@@sumanoskae this is probably the best one so far

[@AegixDrakan]

That part of the video, and this thread, are pure gold. XD

[@stalyirmangin6249]

You are AMAZING! Thank you for making my morning. Love and solidarity coming from Scotland.

[@midnighthope7752]

"The Manosphere exists because Rock n' Roll is dead." - ContraPoints, 2018

[@LimeyLassen]

Those damn New Wave feminists!

[@blackearl7891]

Can we bring it back, we really need a new wave in rock

[@julianmorrisco]

So, so true. I was a geeky, bullied nerd. I happened to play guitar (Les Paul, not Strat but that’s not important) at a time it wasn’t cool where I grew up. 10 years later I met a beautiful, brilliant and funny woman who ended up loving my weird, economically pathetic life and we’ve been together for nearly 30 years. She still earns more than I do and we’re still in love. I do feel sorry for these pathetic excuses for human beings but I can’t abide them turning to hate as a result of their self-pity. I’m glad I’m not a millennial.

[@lumen8341]

Julian, are you sure you're not my husband? LOL. You just told our story exactly.

[@rickagard7398]

The rock in the 90s and 2000s seemed more obsessed with depression than getting laid, and I kind of suspect that's why it died out. You don't really think of Kurt Cobain scoring tons of pussy.

[@ThomAvella]

ｔｈｅ Ｉｎｈｅｒｅｎｔ Ｅｒｏｔｉｃｉｓｍ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ Ｓｅａ

[@transientsmile]

I have a sudden urge to go to the beach.

[@biel96]

I mean, she ain't wrong

[@mischr13]

ocean soul

[@SirJaslo]

The azores are really nice. Especially this beach looks pretty scifi, though it's kind of small.

[@milascave2]

thom: I just wish the ocean near me was warmer. I used to be a cold water swimmer, but seem to have lost the ability. But yes, swimming in any natural body of water is the best substitute for sex there is, and the best compliment to it as well.

[@zebontheweb]

I’m not an incel. I’m also not an alpha male. I’m not queer, or rich, and I’m not stupid or ridiculously smart. I represent at least 90% of the real men, husbands and fathers in America. I don’t want to be alone… I want to love and be loved in return.

[@danielsaan1976]

fair

[@thedude9941]

I get this

[@terminalius]

That's not possible nowadays with the rise of dating apps, you probably had a shot in the 2000s right before Tinder was made. But now, there's no chance

[@icomefromoogaboogaland]

You will never get that

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

well, if your cooking video is anything to go by, you're handsome and seem cool so? :)

[@bucephalus00]

This is my favourite Contra video. And the bar is pretty high

[@marileadufresne9092]

"ultra-masculine baker i mean bread scientist" i'm dying. and that little chuckle at the end.

[@trenvert123]

I hope he never decides to wash a dish or heaven forbid, actually push the damn vacuum around, or he'll have to grow his beard down to the floor. Let's see a woman do that!

[@BrodytheCuber]

I'm a first time viewer, and oh my god, I'm so impressed. Keep up what you're doing. It's original, unique, entertaining, and exactly what the world needs.

[@DorfLingus]

BrodytheCuber I second this amazing amazing content

[@AhoyImHarker]

Same!

[@MarkTomczak]

Also new here. You had my interest, madam, and now you have my Subscribe flag. *smashed*

[@mynameisrandy]

Welcome to the wonderful world of ContraPoints. Best political/social channel on KZbin that I am aware of, and it's not even close. So many funny and interesting videos. Enjoy your stay! :)

[@sasukekuniski1959]

nope

[@presentpathtarot]

This gave me compassion for people who hate. Thanks. And you're beautiful, and I am not a nice enough person to say that unless it's true. Thanks for overcoming your self-loathing enough to talk about it.

[@mikioni]

"Take a shower bro" "go outside bro"

[@regisglass5464]

Correct, showering and socialization is necessary for good health. Please note this is something done daily. Always staying at home and not even washing after defecating is problematic to say the least

[@PsudeoPsychic]

​@@regisglass5464 the autistic balding 5,2 Indian janitor is rolling in women after this

[@Pistolita221]

@@PsudeoPsychic He's an intersectional feminist, of course he's got his token minorities!! How dare you.

[@lestath2345]

"Don't be depressed bro" "go outside bro"

[@cyancyborg1477]

When the KZbin algorithm actually works and you find something great.

[@AlbinoAxolotl]

I know right!? I kept seeing this in my recommended and finally clicked on it. This is a great video! Thanks KZbin for recommending someone awesome!

[@eclate23]

blessed channel of degeneracy, dark aunt of youtube, contrapoints

[@gartgartsman478]

Seriously. This channel is amazing and now I'm going to binge everyyyythhhing.

[@alansvartr]

@@gartgartsman478 snap.

[@mikelmontoya2965]

Y'all should watch every video of hers. She's amazing!!!

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

I'm a woman but...i can't bake bread- /spontaneously grows a massive beard, voice drops by 8 octaves/

[@jimjimmy8900]

@Spanakoptia07 tf you're on about

[@naiknaik8812]

@Spanakoptia07 I think they were joking I wish

[@naiknaik8812]

@Solve Everything not you obviously

[@huckthatdish]

Dyodoleu I am a man who bakes bread. But don’t worry I’m a bread scientist.

[@lara_mage]

@Spanakoptia07 u serious?

[@marctestarossa]

This is the best f*in video on the topic I have ever watched

[@marctestarossa]

AND you're a gorgeous goddess among us mere mortals

[@icomefromoogaboogaland]

"It's ovER" - saint hamudi

[@carlcarlington7317]

i know when i'm looking for a man i always go for the ones who *never heard a song in there entire life*

[@santiagoavelicavillada4977]

same

[@getmilked6216]

same

[@bimbowithadegree420]

It's funny to teach those Martians how to human, I agree

[@sayingthethingstheywont2619]

As long as he beats you? Right.

[@getmilked6216]

You Dont Matter what

[@lazyyfox7914]

Broke: breadtuber Woke: bread scientist

[@whatthehelliot]

yooooo chiaki watching contrapoints!!

[@marcogonzales7070]

The bread broadcaster

[@kertchu]

@@marcogonzales7070 breadcaster

[@veronicablazer]

this was a beautifully shot, eloquently said, incredibly impactful video! You delved deep into some really complex issues and into a sect of society that is difficult for so many people to understand and have productive conversations about. I consider myself an intersectional feminist & I really learned so much from this video - thank you 🤍 Also, convos / videos surrounding incels, misogyny, hatred towards non-cis & cis women, etc. often trigger a lot of sadness or anger in me but this was surprisingly calming (while still fully engaging)! think it’s bc of the screen play, your lovely voice and the factual yet vulnerable and relatable manner in which you explained everything 🥹💘 Im a new subscriber & and already love your style, delivery, humor and layout is just perfect - thank you 🤍 oh and btw you are stunning - and your bone structure is 😍🤌🏽🔥

[@painunending4610]

"and your bone structure is..." It never ends. It's everywhere and it will never go away.

[@azaleareagan4294]

Just came across your account and I'm OBSESSED!

[@tedmills]

35 minutes on incels, I thought, really how indulgent is this going to be?...35 minutes later, holy shit this is better than a thousand bad thinkpieces. Bravo

[@jeremycorbin2178]

Happy you found it useful!

[@zillafire101]

"Thirty-five Minutes?!" ~Destiny.

[@deadpilled2942]

ted mills jokes on you. Those people don't think

[@kentbuta9599]

I had a hard time keeping up with this one.going to watch it again.

[@yanekvanharen3682]

This actually is helpful content. You changed my mind

[@stellarwulf]

You ever think humanity in general has an unhealthy obsession with romantic relationships specifically?

[@bullymaguire2061]

This is just like capitalism. A few men have all the money, all the power. The rest are, well... Angry. Similarly, a few chads have all the women, all the sex. I predict something similar to a worker's revolution. Only in this case it will be sexually frustrated men.

[@atashgallagher1631]

@@bullymaguire2061 the only way men are seizing the means of production is if they all spontaneously become gay.

[@kaddhaficel2674]

"Unhealthy" lmao wtf ?

[@codemonster8443]

@@bullymaguire2061 At least you got the troll face php or I would be genuinely worried

[@kaddhaficel2674]

@Symone Ham these people aint obessed with relationships its just dat they aint attractive enought to get casual sex, so havin a gf is the only way to get pussy, if some doesnt seem happy it means dat the sex aint good or dat the sex is becoming do secondary dat its gettin boring. Theres women chasin relationships but for dem its more about self-esteem, some foid almost need a bf to breathe but i believe its a minority

[@AdamNeely]

that "masochistic epistemology" idea really hit home.

[@dorkthrone]

Adam Neely I've often felt that way myself, and I've never had a phrase to describe it. Now having seen the idea thrown out there, I can't help but imagine it's a super common mindset.

[@MrKayseivlaine]

:O Adam Neely watches your videos :D

[@Illjustwait]

"You'll never make it as a musician." "Some people have that musical gift and you don't." "You don't have what it takes." Over time though, it's possible to turn the thought of "it hurts so it must be true", to "it hurts, and i'll prove it's false." Big fan of your vids man!😁

[@dmolinah]

I love you Adam and your Channel, Inspired me everyday. Also pretty awesome you follow ContraPoints

[@disc0duck]

Had to look up epistemology

[@aaronlo6952]

The comment section by Newest is actually WW3.

[@narvi5779]

Every single time I see lots of dislikes and I know the topic is a controversial one, I sort by new and get lost in the comments for a little while. I sometimes leave a comment saying hello to anyone sorting by new.

[@beganitdidnt6535]

@@narvi5779 yeah bc the dood in drag in this video knows what its like to be an incel he used to be one lol

[@icomefromoogaboogaland]

​@@beganitdidnt6535kek

[@itsdavidmora]

Incredible video. Also maybe the greatest video opening ever ❤

[@Banisoup]

"Bread Scientist" I'm losing it.