Women vs Men players - Who is stronger?

If Ma Long plays versus Ding Ning, then who will win?
Who is stronger in table tennis? Female or male players?
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[@GhanaTableTennis]

I always wish there would be a tournament between top ten male players and top 10 female players on the world tour. A tournament which is played at the end of the season as part of awareness building process for the sport.

[@xonx209]

This kind of matches would draw a lot of viewers.

[@yeagerist977]

@@peterreid9769 nice joke

[@mega2codnoob]

I think Ma long could beat chen when she starts with 5 points if he plays seriously, like a real ittf match.

[@VinhNguyen-fh8qp]

I think the entirety of team a could do that if it was a serious match with something on the line

[@quockhanhpham626]

​​@@peterreid9769with 11 point to win. 5 point absolutely not small. Its very big advantage in this game. 2 or 3 point deficit is very big already.

[@frankfeng4728]

Amazing video. Thanks for sharing.

[@NYsurfer51]

Fun video! Love all your videos! I think you need to switch up the background music though. lol

[@jk9111]

Simplely umcompetable. Most female players' points are depended on rallies and consistency, which they can't do it the same against male players' power.

[@pingsunday]

Exactly.

[@davidtsang4949]

Because of the smaller playing area, the male physical advantages aren't as pronounced as it is with other sports. It IS still an advantage but the gap isn't so huge in that females can be somewhat competitive. Take tennis for example. Serena Williams in her prime would have difficulty competing with top male colleges let alone pro male players. In table tennis, females wouldn't have to go that far down the list to be competitive, in my opinion.

[@xiijinpingthesupremeleader1349]

Serena Williams was beaten by a guy ranked 203 who had drunk and smoked and played golf too before that. Let that sink in

[@tonyping2262]

2:58 I like how Lin Gaoyuan struggles with the queen and Ma Long just smashes her shots. No offence but Lin Gaoyuan is like the weak link in the Chinese A team. He’s not technically weak in any areas but just a lack of mental toughness and lack in confidence in his shots. Evident to n the match against Timo Bill from 10-4 down. A player like Ma Long in that situation would’ve just ended the game 11-4 not giving Timo any chance to comeback whatsoever but Lin Gaoyuan has to make the mistake of tensing up at 10 points. This is why he isn’t chosen in the Chinese team as an international representative despite his skill in the national matches

[@sabahmurad9905]

I would like to see the whole matches to analyze the it more. I think it's a difference of technique/style and experience more than physical strength. Women's style is speed and men's is power for sure, but there are always incidents were a player meets another with a different style, (Harimoto at his beginning, speed vs power), and at that point both need to adjust to the other style's and overcome the strengths of the opponent.

[@peterreid9769]

Longer matches would solve the debate. The difference between men and women in table tennis is much narrower than in other sports. It's maybe a few percent at the most in TT. There is probably no need for single gender competition.

[@kuchikibyakuya7697]

And the Chinese women team can rick roll some of non chinese man players.

[@stopislamicterrorism]

No they have a bonus 1-3 points so not fair

[@sayonara2246]

bruh there is no difference between chinese or non chinese people but chinese pro players were training from like 3-4 year soooo that gives them more experience to games

[@kuchikibyakuya7697]

@@sayonara2246 yes that is why non chinese cant dominate chinese

[@maxlogan2658]

Good share coach. When was this played? Probably before the corona outbreak right?

[@pingsunday]

In Austria April 2016 I think

[@GGibus2002]

@@pingsunday You were right about it being Austria, but this was actually played in 2019 after the Asian Cup and right before the World Championships.

[@EvoGoody]

Roughly even.

[@notephone2768]

Thank you sir, do u have the matches, and also thought the difference would be much higher , men led by one match only,wow.

[@gabrielweissenbach4048]

Yeah because the European males messed up against the Chinese women

[@jonathanhansson804]

Were these matches played with a handicap or no?

[@pingsunday]

Yes. With 3 points handicap

[@Holamirae]

How we can handle that fast rallies? Every time I want to play fast, I end up rushing and forget to spin the ball and miss it. Coach can you give us some tips to be stable at fast rallies?

[@bgmaster8557]

Start slower with the spin and build you technique, eventually you and your shots will get faster and spinnier. Don t rush into carbon blade, while you learn use wood blade. If your technique is on point you will be able to hit faster and spinnier. Also do leg workouts 2 times a week you will feel your legs will also get faster and stronger.

[@yeagerist977]

Move a bit further away from the table once you feel the rally getting faster so that you have more time to react and induce spin on the ball

[@pingsunday]

07:30 Ma Long, Xu Xin is watching Lin Gaoyuan " . . . a little bit disappointed, LOL"

[@klaasparlevliet2952]

Just starting with 0-0 what place would top Chinese femaleplayers have on the worldranglist of they played men? This question arised when me and my son where watching worldchampionship in Hungary.....we thought as a guess around 60/70...perhaps even higher...what do you think?

[@olafgips8876]

🙂

[@klaasparlevliet2952]

@@peterreid9769 don't think so...speed/footwork is fenomenal but they just lack the power in topspinstrokes comparitie to top maleplayers to be top 20....

[@ncrean66]

According to the video Chen Meng defeated FZD while having not more than +3, so what are the reasons to expect she would lose to ML having +5 ?

[@Kevin-zl3ci]

Not saying he would, but mentally ML is better than FZD

[@sanchohuncho7065]

Very intelligent question

[@altisourcetitleagencyllc6153]

No question for Ma! Easy work!!!😁

[@elias3026]

This is a bit nonsensical. Let's take it from the begining. So the argument is that the main difference between men and women is physical power. But almost every cut you presented had nothing to do with physical power - most lost points were unforced errors (ding Ning), tricky serves or good placement and spin. There was no attack were ma long or fan zhendong - or, for that matter, any player in the men's team went full out force. Of course ma long won against everyone - he'd probably win against every other man teammate because he's got the most solid technique + experience. Playing against women's team is like playing against harimoto - they take the ball really early and make you run left and right if you go away from the table. The women's team made sure that they don't let their opponents go away from the table unpunished. So most points were decided close to the table or in short game. And I remember you saying that in table tennis you don't need a lot of physical strength to produce high quality shots - a perfect example is harimoto who beat the heck out of China national players at 14! If you don't have the strength, you can pick a faster blade (Lin Jun yu). I doubt he's stringer than Cheng Meng. And FZD lost to her surely not because of her psychical strength. So something does not follow here. Just to make myself clear: I do agree that there is an obvious difference is body strength, but I don't think this is the main and only reason why women's team would lose. In table tennis the physical strength is more negligible than in, let's say, tenis! Where Selena Williams would lose to number 500th in the world. And she would be around 600th (she addresses the issue in an interview - if anyone interested, I can post a link). The battle of the sexes seems much closer here than in other sports because technique does compentase a lot for the lack of power. Curious to see what others have to say about this.

[@XCSme]

I agree. If strength was the deciding factor then Harimoto would have no chances, yet he managed to beat top players even before puberty.

[@nivel9885]

I agree with you but I can't find where he says that's the reason they'd loose. I only find where he says they prefer different Playstyles due to physical differences. But in the end there are exceptions to those preferred styles such as harimoto with men or chen Meng (who plays more physical than others I think) with women.

[@tomthomas9708]

The difference is maybe a few percent but that's all. Juan Liu came out of a 6 year retirement well into her 30s and ran through all of the top males in the U.S. winning a number of mixed gender tournaments. Out of practice at an advanced age! Think about that. She outplayed and beat Daniel Gorak an Olympian and top 50 ranked player (at the time). She's just one example. There are others. Yes, there is a difference between top male and female players but it's marginal.

[@MrHkl8324]

Because men do not only win with power. They win at all aspect.

[@ravanpee1325]

@@tomthomas9708Because US players suck

[@sc2dog]

The Japan national team did an very exciting event where the females played vs the males with a headstart. It was actually interesting! I would love to see a tournament with females playing vs males!

[@tomthomas9708]

All tournaments in America are Open and sometimes won by women.

[@quockhanhpham626]

​@@tomthomas9708 It american. Almost bad player play there.

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

New vid idea: how to stop missing?

[@tonyping2262]

Hey Coach, when you mean by 41-40 do you mean games? People? Matches? Or something else?

[@pingsunday]

there are totally 81 matches. Men team won 41 matches. Women team won 40 matches. Men players have the handicap point (+1 to +3 points for women)

[@yeagerist977]

@@peterreid9769 ok fuck off it makes a huge difference Make this tournament with no handicaps it’ll be 75-6 or something for men’s side

[@jonathanhansson804]

What were the handicaps in these matches?

[@pingsunday]

3 points for female players

[@ahmedyousef1873]

I have aquistion coach why fan zhendonge dominate xu xin

[@blueheart9873]

In almost any sport, Women's performance is 20-30% lower than men's

[@everythingbageI]

not in volleyball

[@annaweglewska8919]

@@everythingbageI Especially in volleyball

[@tonyping2262]

True especially track and field where it’s pretty much just pure strength power and agility

[@hadae126]

마롱이 정말 훌륭한 선수네요

[@skmajor7425]

In others sports theres a huge gap but in table tennis due to the equipments speed and power the difference isnt as big

[@yeagerist977]

Men would still win 9/10 in table tennis but yeah you’re right

[@dominusblandus]

Obviously in the top Men are Faster, stronger, better. Women Need to Play closer to table because of reach, too. That said tabletennis is one of the relative closer Sports between the sexes.

[@stoneshou]

pretty sure lin gaoyuan is female player

[@pingsunday]

Lol

[@DimaKats2]

I think it's time we finished with Man/Woman division. Everyone should play together, women are a bit behind for the moment but they will catch up as soon as we start mix games!

[@yeagerist977]

Not really no

[@diosdadolluna1034]

A victory by women will convince that Table Tennis is more than a game just of strength but also speed, flexibility, strategy, psychology, technique/skill and more. If that happens, then TT will be a very unique sport because it will be the only sport where men and women can compete as equals. But Table Tennis involves strength too. I do remember about 15 years ago, the top woman billiard champion was beaten up by billiard legend Efren Bata Reyes. And Billiard is not a game of strength and power, but skill and strategy. Also, I do remember at some time, Liu Guoliang beat the entire women's team with the SHAKEHAND GRIP!

[@ravanpee1325]

If you have a poin score system like e.g. in Germann TTR score - you can easily compare the level of the player..I would play 5 leagues higher with another gender

[@24ghosh24]

Well i think women in tt are really good..top women players can easily beat guys below top 20 or 30.atleast in our state level the top woman can beat the top mens players

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@K. Kong mate

[@kevinbachhauskrauter8661]

Could you change up the backgroundmusic?

[@pingsunday]

OK. I will change the music next time

[@RyanDGreen1984]

Better question if the top Chinese women had men’s world rankings what would they be? 50?

[@peterreid9769]

Probably. Juan Liu, now in America, who would no longer be anywhere near the Chinese squad, has beaten Olympic level male players like Daniel Gorak and Yijun Feng with ease fairly recently.

[@whatscreenname]

How in the he!! is this even debatable? 🤣

[@MrHkl8324]

A high school men player vs a world class top women player, who will win, the question should be like that.

[@125ZJK]

I would like to have seen that whole competition. I'm not surprised Lin Gaoyuan lost to Wang Manyu. I do wonder what the handicaps were...

[@thomasleifseth5201]

He always seems to loose 😂 he got be good being on chinese team but him i see loose lots of games

[@125ZJK]

@@thomasleifseth5201 You're right. To be on that team he has to be good. I think his mental strength needs work...the top Chinese have higher gears than others when playing. Lin does not !

[@vincenzoTTop99]

@@thomasleifseth5201 a few years ago he had the best score in the chinese League

[@gab5012]

@@thomasleifseth5201 He is very fast and powerful, he can attack and hit like a beast, but many say he has weak mental strength and can confidence during a match

[@liamcannon9617]

@@thomasleifseth5201 he beat ma long 3 months ago

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

Im calling it, ERT needs to be the French National Team coach

[@pingsunday]

Lol. No no. In French there are a lot of coaches who is 10 times better than me. I only focus on the new players

[@ivanivan4155]

​@@pingsunday Better than you ? I'm curious are they teaching european technique or chinese like you ?

[@GhanaTableTennis]

Yes Ma Long can win with 5 points

[@user-ci1hp6kx7r]

50/50%

[@yeagerist977]

More like 80/20%

[@geraldcarino5009]

Ma long wins Chen Meng even with +5

[@tonyping2262]

7:20 Even Ma Long can’t take it that he makes these unforced errors and gets beat up by the women team

[@thommyturtle209]

4:18 Rule 2.6.2 "The server shall then project the ball near vertically upwards...". Almost every time, Ma Long throws the ball 70 centimeters backwards in an arc. And nobody says anything.

[@loopkill]

Because it's close enough to vertical. The rule of thumb is that is needs to be 30 degrees from vertical, definitely never more than 45. Ma Long's toss is good enough for this. Anyone who tosses like that can get away with it

[@yeagerist977]

Have you seen Dima’s serves?

[@olissime01]

Top female players don't stand a single chance vs top men players.

[@mintugupta7229]

Its your thinking ......... Where do you stabd infront of any national player .

[@olissime01]

@@mintugupta7229 this is not the point.

[@olissime01]

@@mintugupta7229 point is at équivalent level, women don't stand a chance vs men, whatever the sport. This is a fact.

[@hansevanchristiansimanjora3394]

@@mintugupta7229 :) you should learn and accept the fact buddy :)

[@yeagerist977]

@@mintugupta7229 feminist spotted

[@liamcannon9617]

The Chinese woman team is more dominant though. Much less upsets than the men's team

[@geraldcarino5009]

No question Male,. ..

[@muhammadkhadarisman1915]

Good 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩

[@shanelawson5072]

Are you serious...? Fan Zhendong lost a match to Chen Meng ⁉️😳

[@pingsunday]

With handicap points

[@shanelawson5072]

@@pingsunday OK... No point really unless it's a standard 3 or 4 points. These matches are several years old ❗⁉️

[@EvoGoody]

@@pingsunday Over how many games?

[@ravanpee1325]

Also probably just a show match

[@georgeholmes1490]

Considering body structure, had the females same body build? Men would be no where, they are sooo fast on their feet, these women

[@pingpongph3895]

I think this is a nonsense topic. We all know that men in every sports are always stronger than women.

[@trentashburnpongs]

Yeah that’s what I thought too, that’s not even being sexist it’s just facts.

[@noah7477]

Men are more entertaining to watch for table tennis entertainment while women are entertaining to watch for other kinds of entertainment

[@24ghosh24]

Waste comment

[@shanelawson5072]

@@24ghosh24... yours is too!

[@24ghosh24]

@@shanelawson5072 cheap.

[@setgoyes9463]

@@24ghosh24 stupid gargabe

[@24ghosh24]

@@setgoyes9463 all the garbages supporting each other,cool world.

[@dieguinhodopandeiro497]

Boca Juniors is the Best

[@KageChen]

China woman vs other country man.

[@olissime01]

Sorry, coach, but this is a stupid question.

[@tonyping2262]

No kidding. 4:32 all of the Men A team should be expected to win ALL the females players, no question. It shouldn’t just be Ma Long

[@7in1]

This is a bull shit about muscle mass! Lin Yun Yu is not stronger physicaly than some stronger build women players

[@pingsunday]

This is the word of coach Liu Guoliang, not my word. And I think that he is right.

[@supercuber9805]

Oh no not feminism

[@tonyping2262]

4:32 It should be Ma Long who wins against all female players. ALL men in the A team should be expected to win ALL females in the A team. NO QUESTION

[@pingsunday]

Lin Gaoyuan lost twice :D haha

[@tomthomas9708]

They look about the same.

[@Joygulplay]

Men really have a lot more power than women but women are a lot more faster and have better reflexes. The both sides have their advantages and disadvantages when playing against each other, this is why we can't say for sure who is better.

[@phenompheast2452]

who told women are faster and have better reflexes😂😂

[@kaziraunakhossain6614]

Women don't have faster better reflexes. But they're playing closer to the table. TT is such a game where difference in strength can be compensated with technique and softer hands

[@milovanmilovanov2598]

Woman can't compete with man on a high level in table tennis at all.... Most of the points that the females will score will probbaly be unforced errors by the males or lucky shots.. The score will look something like: 11 - 4, 11-5 at best.. these results are still considerate as domination... Females will hit/serve with less spin, speed (due to be physically weaker and not being as explossive as males due to genetics most of the times), and lack of consistency at high spin/speed ralies (due to, well you can't be consistent in shots that you never practised before, i bet they haven't had ralies at the speed and power that the males can produce, and being consistant at the same time..), and definitely the females have less power.. To sum it up, no way a woman will get in any way closer of beating a male Pro...

[@roch-mariestern4608]

Good question... I definitely think that question is also one of the many things which makes table tennis the best sport. That's bad there were handicap points. But even without handicap points, I'm pretty sure the top 10 women have more or less the same level than top 10 men. Chen MENG could be male number 3, WMY male number 5 and Calderano female number 8 ! The only exceptions would be XX who has a very special play, and Ma Long， the greatest of all times, more dominant than any other men or women on earth. But it there were a female Ma Long, I am sure she would beat any man !