Women Writers Hate Other Women : She Hulk

She Hulk goes the distance to show that women are their own worse enemy.
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[@iamtheexaggerator2760]

"Women understand each other, and they hate each other" is the entire theme of female written and led tv shows nowadays

[@ethan-scott]

Which is weird because (anecdote here) most of the women in my social circle support each other. I think this animosity might be something that is especially true with Hollywood/Writer-types…

[@richardduska1558]

They write what they know I guess.... terrible people tend to brefrend terrible people.

[@feyrie]

@@ethan-scott as a woman I’m here to let you know there’s stuff going on in the background that they aren’t letting you know.

[@ethan-scott]

@@MrRhetorikill Men are better at everything than women in film? Seems like a bit of an exaggeration.

[@paulw5039]

@@ethan-scott Women are great at presenting the appearance of supporting each other, while cunningly and subtly undermining each other. If you could only hear what the women in your social circle are saying about each other behind each other's backs. My partner is a midwife - works with a large group of all women. And it works out exactly as the stereotype suggests it does.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I love the fact that they have created a narcissistic, immature, incompetent woman as a self insert for themselves without even realising that the average misogynist can't write women this insultingly.

[@carlosdasilva2409]

They made Sakura Haruno look like a great catch by comparison...

[@eddydalton4959]

@@carlosdasilva2409 lmaoooo, you are out of pocket with that shit.

[@danielhandika8767]

@@carlosdasilva2409 at least she's loyal

[@KDB349]

@@carlosdasilva2409 Bro, I can appreciate Sakura for her loyalty... I can appreciate the fact that she realized her weakness and gained strength. She still annoys the hell out of me though lmao. Even with that, she's a million times better than She Hulk

[@carlosdasilva2409]

@Bully Maguire that's the point

[@magmos6346]

The worst part? This is the first time Jen in Non She-Hulk form actually acted like she was SUPPOSED to. Jen's supposed to be a shy, mousy, pushover, while the She-Hulk personal is more outgoing and confident.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

That's the best part as they did get correct

[@clawofthefallen]

Not quite. At least in her origin (Savage She-Hulk), she was a tough on crime attourney that was going after a mob boss that killed her mother, almost killed her (that made Bruce use his own blood to stabilize her before getting her to the hospital, almost getting caught by the police since he's a fugitive) and later succeeded in killing her best friend (who's alive and kicking in this series) and frame it on her. While Jeniffer indeed got a confidence boost by becoming She-Hulk, she wasn't a doormat (at most she was comic relief to the writer in the "Sensational" run). She has also never thought being She-Hulk as a curse or that it would cause any impediment to her life. She welcomed it with open arms and was extremely grateful to Bruce, who would feel guilty for spreading his "curse" on her (back then Hulk was still a tragic character). Jennifer was competent, but after becoming She-Hulk she got enamorate with the reality of being a superhero, of not being ordinary and having the power to do even greater good. Sensational She-Hulk's run was more sex positive and a lot more humorous in tone, but she was still exciting, heroic and never a bore. Just self-aware (literally, for better or worse). Unlike the best of She-Hulk in the comics, this show's Jennifer is an ironically self-aware bore who does nothing about it because of current year victimhood.

[@megamegaO]

@@darkstalkerknight63 I wish they established that on the first few episodes.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

@@megamegaO they literally did that in all episodes.

[@w.a.r4623]

@@clawofthefallen lmao the fact that they took such compelling source material then through it all out to make a shallow show about nothing…. And people don’t understand what true she hulk fans are furious. They high jacked a beloved IP twisted it to shit then shit on anyone that didnt enjoy their bull shit.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

They wrote Jen to be such an unlikable bint, they had to make literally everyone around her *cartoonishly awful* so she can seem decent by comparison. Tearing others down so she can seem better…hmm, you mean like a narcissist does?

[@eldermillennial8330]

Every Narcissist needs a tragic Echo to work off of, then a mirrored pool so he will drown himself in, or we’ll want to burst into the story and drown the insufferable ass ourselves.

[@spartanvenom5388]

And yet sometimes they make it hard not to root for the “bad guy”

[@segismundosaulalex3065]

@@Brotherofthe4thCompany Yeah because that show it's aware that the characters aren't good people so it works following that logic. The problem is when the writters think they have a likeable character when they don't and then push their narrative and shove their point of view down your throat.

[@emberdragon4248]

Bint? That's a new one

[@eldermillennial8330]

@@emberdragon4248 I think it’s a ruder version of “biddy”.

[@UltimaOfIacon]

Don't choose writers based on sex, race, sexuality ect. Choose them based on their inherent talent and ability to write something meaningful. - Sincerely, a female writer.

[@magikphoenix140]

As another female writer,who is also a poc,I agree.Talent isn’t related to gender,it’s related to hard work and effort

[@ShawFujikawa]

Hear hear.

[@thegreywanderer8427]

Yep, She-Hulk was one of the "popular girls" of Marvel so it is not really surprising to see female writers utterly destroying her character and brand value. They must've had immense joy dragging her into the mud with this show.

[@Tyler_W]

That would require them to have read and actually know anything about the source material, which I guarantee they haven't and don't.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

@@Tyler_W They know that she's pretty and was well-liked by fans. That's enough to hate her.

[@princessmarlena1359]

@@WhiteManOnCampus And not just her, but all super heroines.

[@liquidjackson7172]

Misery loves company I guess.

[@childeaterieatkidz4208]

@@WhiteManOnCampus exactly and not only that they had to have known she hulk as also once respected for her personality. They had to have shit eating grins humiliating this once great super hero.

[@Sinturions]

The biggest issue, is the writrers having NEVER READ THE SOURCE MATERIAL. If they had, they would have so much to work with, like how the change affects Jen's mindset. Her dead mother, and the reason she became a lawyer. But, this show is going to continue to be irredeemable garbage

[@FTChomp9980]

Jennifer seems so much better in the comics and animated TV show.

[@Sinturions]

@@FTChomp9980 She is so much better in the comics and old animated hulk show. Jen has a lot of depth, and is a good character, well, was, can't speak for more current comics, but she had so much source material to pull from.

[@mbob4337]

Them use the source material, ha. They don't want to touch good writing. They have to make everything bad. And use the piece of Dan Slott's run that was hated by fans. When she got herself fired. Than started sleeping with random people. Culminating with sleeping with Juggernaut. Which was just changed to Daredevil.

[@nont18411]

Why didn’t they read it? What makes them this arrogant?

[@tobsw3802]

I dont think that that's the biggest issue. Ofcourse the show would have been infinitely better if it had stayed at least somewhat true to the source material but even if they had never read a single word of the original lore, they could still have written a fun, interesting, relatable show that stood on its own merit. The biggest issue to me is that the writers are horrible, narcissistic, morally bankrupt, assholes dedicated to a lifestyle of entitlement and decadence. They're incapable of writing likable characters because they have no idea what a genuinely likable character may behave like.

[@ChampagneSharks]

It isn't that the writers realized what you said and made any conscious changes; it's that there are different writers for different episodes, and each of them write Jen as a self-insert instead of a consistent character, so she changes to how the writers see themselves. Perfect girlboss Jen is when Jessica Gao writes her. Flawed Jen is from Dana Schwartz and others, but even then nothing is ever really her fault but the fault of crappy men and mean girls.

[@nova_supreme8390]

Do not forget twitter trolls and Russian bots. Those are at fault too. ☝️

[@SapphireKnight675]

writing sins from pathetic hacks sounds about right

[@bryanwoods3373]

Which just illustrates how bad the team is. Every series has different writers doing different episodes, yet they maintain consistent characters by hashing the base plots out together. And the showrunner ensuring continuity. It's like none of them have any experience in a workflow that has been successful in thousands of shows across decades, possibly a century. Ironically, they may have made their own system because they know better than all the men that came before them.

[@ChampagneSharks]

@@bryanwoods3373 I think you’re right and I think the lack of professionalism in collaboration is because they don’t care about She-Hulk as an independent character but only as a vehicle for self-insertion and personal therapy. I read an interview with Jessica Gao and she said the writing room approach is that they just share personal cringe stories with each other and then write them into the script for She-Hulk. I also read Gao say she views writing as personal therapy. With these priorities it makes Jen a vessel or mouthpiece for whoever is writing her that day instead of an independent voice they have to strain to capture consistently who may or may not always act the way they would.

[@ashura3313]

But there is one guy writer, he was used to make the Daredevil episode.

[@danninmatthews5640]

Diversity in the writing room shouldn't be important, unless it's on ideas, characters, and stories.

[@Wolfman7870]

It shouldn't be important, period. A show runner should hire people they have creative chemistry with, have proven track records and who serve the story they're telling. Arbitrarily hiring people because of their immutable characteristics is the dumbest perversion of virtue in modern history.

[@danninmatthews5640]

@@Wolfman7870 Yes!!!

[@DoubleBob]

Terrible people surrounded by terrible people write terrible characters. It's the only thing they know. To the coastal lower-upper class this is probably just a very correct depiction of reality.

[@blenderman7369]

I mean I make good money and live on the east coast (MA). Life is just not like this for anyone lmao

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

These useless writers need to work on the factory floor for a year or two, I bet they'll stop writing passive aggressive fanfic insert and start writing with some humility

[@WeirdTale]

Yeah. Which proves my point that it takes complete assholes to reach the lower-upper class, or maintain the lower-upper class stats from being taken away by the actual upper class.

[@honkhonk8009]

lower upper class is such an accurate term. Their not even upper class because of any merit. Their not engineers that earn 6 figures for any good reason. Their just retarded and get rich by leeching off society.

[@jynflyn3650]

@@blenderman7369 I feel like “coastal” should be replaced with “Hollywood”. The entertainment industry is notoriously filled with horrible shallow people.

[@HectorLopez0217]

Weird how in Falcon and Winter soldier they didn’t change the title card to Captain America and the White Wolf, but they’ll change She-Hulk’s to Just Jen for a one off

[@Soulxstar]

my biggest problem with that is that if they could just change the why wouldn't they call the previous episode "copyright infringement: attorney in law" for the joke that she doesn't own the She-hulk name but instead they decide that this was the time to joke about the name

[@cosmickeystomycreationandtimes]

Every time I see that "INFINITELY more than you!" clip, I cringe so hard. So empowering.

[@Mr.Shwartz]

Shit more depowering then kryptonite

[@1Plebeian]

It's a great representation of how feminists compare themselves to others.

[@Just_Pradyun]

@@Mr.Shwartz bro

[@derrickdaniels3955]

That one scene was enough to not watch this entire show.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

Oh you mean because they cut out a lot of context in order to trick you like how she said she could get murdered which she also did many times in the first few episodes

[@michaelknight2897]

It cant commit to being a legal show or a sitcom and instead is a show about what Jen finds annoying with each episode including a "bash men" segment. A legal show would have been terrific and new. Instead we got a 15 minute show about what women find annoying.

[@ReddwarfIV]

_Harvey Birdman: Attorney At Law_ already did the superhero lawyer comedy concept, and did it very well.

[@banriswirl6414]

and it turns out that these women find everything annoying. Including each other. And themselves.

[@luz9066]

what rich women with 0 problems in their lives find annoying**

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

And all they did was show how annoying THEY are instead of the things they find annoying.

[@Ultracity6060]

Hey, that guy with all the wives should be praised. Look at the incredible inclusivity of all the women he married.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

One of them might even have been a transsexual or transvestite.

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

And their fat too!

[@justsomejoyousj]

@@jimsteinmanfan80 what’s that last one? Transvetite?

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@justsomejoyousj Original term for a male-to-female individual, but it being often used in an aggressive tone lead to people shortening it to just trans, I believe.

[@bepinkfloyd814]

@@justsomejoyousj that is a dude with tits or a gurl i Guess lol

[@BlueGoblin1]

Literally the focus of this show should be the court room. And how to resolve issues that anger us within the justice system and not taking it into our own hands. And that means they should be making it seem like a real court room as much as possible.

[@rosiecatbandit]

And if they were real women writers, they'd have watched 42 hours of the johnny depp trial minimum and would know how courts act 😁

[@LedZedd]

That's true about the show, terrible mindset in real life. Bringing the "law" in to solve street level or personal problems is a recipe for disaster.

[@RookCity94]

Couldnt have happened. Even the writers themselves admit that when they all sat down to write the first court-scene, they quickly discovered that not one of them knew how to write engaging court-scenes..... So they had to just kind of 'wing it'....

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

@@LedZedd late but I think OP meant as in- point out the serious flaws in the justice system, not just talk about personal problems

[@Sound557]

Maybe this show is a test, Disney wants to see if people will side with literal psychopaths if they make them girlbosses 💅

[@schabowy6149]

Honestly I love shows like these, make me feel better and special about my writing 😂

[@collywobbles4695]

My shit is elementary but at least it’s linear

[@defalttheloner]

I never wrote anything and feel better

[@nonechico]

If you get a bad male writer he'll write bad male characters. It's not about the sex, it's about talent.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

There are lots of bad male writers and lots of good female writers out there unfortunately they are not on this show.

[@christopherking4648]

based

[@r.achel044]

@@jimsteinmanfan80 they all finished better call saul and wrote my favorite female character in anything ever, kim wexler

[@rosiecatbandit]

Thank you 😊

[@LedZedd]

Common sense and absolutely no reason to comment lol, literally a "whataboutism" that somehow shows up whenever criticism is aimed anywhere near a woman.

[@gc6390]

I’m glad you mentioned the fact that her character did a 180. I really feel like the writers are dropping the ball. They are trying so hard to be woke that they’re doing the opposite. Like why is most of the show just She-Hulk dating and jumping in bed with people? Since when do we write superheroes that way? At this point, I’ve seen her on more dates than occasions where she actually saves people.

[@hassathunter2464]

Gotta out-bonk and let criminals go Batwoman. A tall order, but She-Hulk was up for the task.

[@cantgame4now152]

"it's because women can sleep, it's their choice and free will. Just like any other womanizer super hero" Correct me if I'm wrong, or if I should add anything

[@niccosalonga9009]

@@cantgame4now152 I think the main complaint is that the sleeping around becomes the focus of the show and the superheroing ends up in the background. The commenter wants more superhero action and less of the other sort.

[@cantgame4now152]

@@niccosalonga9009 so, I should be adding 'get a plot' to the diss then. Appreciate your input

[@niccosalonga9009]

@@cantgame4now152 Glad I could help.

[@NefariousKoel]

"Don't try to understand women, women understand women and they hate each other." --- Al Bundy

[@mekudu-man3804]

ignorance is bliss

[@krugerofcause9048]

@@mekudu-man3804 “Ignorance is bliss, Chainsaw.”

[@ihop2001]

men kill other men at much higher rates than women do to women and still have the audacity to say this

[@vacaspen5038]

Fiction played in written by transgenders. And the closest thing to reality is that there are few sociopaths guys and gals who protect their likeness on others. No and hate the stereotypes that women learned to play from men

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

No 🚯 Ma'am 2022

[@sumgai235]

Say what you want about She-Hulk, but it inspires me. A lot 😁 Every episode reminds me "If this shit writing can get a million-dollar show, then I'm a shoe-in!" 🤣🤣

[@namzaysedwards2350]

It just works -Todd Howard tbh if i am a shitty writer , i can still make millions in this day and age because people care more about self insert agenda more than character itself . By "people" , I means diversity group as a crew .

[@sumgai235]

@@namzaysedwards2350 Sad but disturbingly true 😂

[@nont18411]

They wrote women to be narcissists

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Because the average woman is. Lol

[@ihop2001]

@@Seoul_Soldier incel

[@vacaspen5038]

That's because they're actors and probably transgendered engendered advest trying to pray women. Mocking the entire. . .. Well historically you talk to him they hate themselves.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

Because they are narcissists, probaly fueled by social media addiction and years of propaganda saying women need more privilige and that we are a patriarchal society (lmao)

[@hassathunter2464]

I mean, self-inserting themselves that makes sense.

[@JoeSyxpack]

I love how there's no reason given for Titania's power in the show. She's just enormously powerful (and shockingly weak compared to Jen) and nobody comments on it or has any curiosity. Was she born that way? Was it a lab accident? Was she created by Dr. Doom? Show doesn't care and the characters don't care. And what's the point of her anyway? A rival for Jen? Titania was a joke the second she appeared on screen. I figured she'd be a one-off, because once you do that you can't expect the viewers to take her seriously as a threat. In that case you can kinda get away with not explaining it, just say she went to jail and call it done. But she keeps showing up while being as effective as she was in her introduction.

[@shift7808]

Shhhhhhshshshshshhs. No ask question. Only enjoy product

[@JoeSyxpack]

@@shift7808 Switch off brain and consume.

[@shift7808]

@@JoeSyxpack that's the ticket!

[@DuneStone6816]

It's not just her. This show has casually introduced a man who can't die, a bull-man hybrid, a vampire, and a shape-shifting elf, just to name a few. The bull-man has one throwaway line to explain how he exists, which is more than almost any other character. Holloway said early on that"enhanced individuals are appearing out of the woodwork" early on, and I guess that one line is license for the writers to bring in whoever they want, no backstory required.

[@thelopper43]

Future lesbian romance arc.

[@mattmobily1975]

I couldn't believe what I was hearing when at the wedding, Jenn states 'i just want people to recognize how incredible of a career I have...'. The type of person who insists on relating this at someone else's wedding is terrible.

[@Mephitus_LePew]

As a divorcee, that's exactly how they act when money comes up.

[@revan5293]

Lollllll

[@pyruseon1377]

im glad someone else noticed that jen was written as the most toxic type of woman and clearly dysfunctional

[@christinabrenneman7641]

I haven't seen the show,but the more I see these reviews,the less I want to watch it. It sounds as if it's making women to be obnoxious and disgusting in the name of doing something positive for women. The savage she hulk comics were the ones that got me into comic book collecting in the first place.

[@carlosignacio6735]

When I look at the way the writers implemented the characters, I can't help but think that they have a lot of personal problems. I'm not saying this in order to make fun of them, I'm actually being serious that these people are broken and need some sort of outlet.

[@JeffCaplan313]

Why do you think they write? They're using the scripts as a therapeutic journal.

[@carlosignacio6735]

@@JeffCaplan313 I believe that is a part of the big picture. It's the directors who choose these types of writers. They are using their horrible ideas in order to do "fanbaiting"

[@chukyuniqul]

The most expensive group coping session lmao.

[@dryfox11]

As the critical drinker said: “It’s a multi million dollar therapy session for wine moms in their 40s”

[@chukyuniqul]

@@dryfox11 that was the quote!

[@misterchubbikins]

So if the show is almost 100% women and all of them are the boss, who is actually doing the work?

[@SexhatClhxlhxyoxyl]

Slaves I mean man 👨

[@AzazelTheFallen]

Lol I say it all the time no one hates Women like Women do. 😂I jokingly called my best Friend who is close enough to me for me to call my Sister a Misogynist to her face and she just agreed with me.

[@misterchubbikins]

The only way to truly hate something is to understand it. And no one understands women better than women

[@BFPerry220]

I don't really like those labels. I dont hate all women, just the stupid ones.

[@magmos6346]

"no one hates Women like Women do." Except Male Feminists.

[@dav51]

When you're right; you're right

[@LaidleyWyrm]

This is just a stupid take for 1 bad written movie by a woman.

[@bryanwoods3373]

Pug is a nickname because his last name is Pugliese. But, yeah, he's strangely the only male character not being torn down. And it is an interesting connection that it could be because it's also a dog.

[@honkhonk8009]

I feel bad for th dude. Borderline workplace abuse. I know ima be called sexist for this, but why does it seem all women act as narcissistic as she-hulk? Like very rarely I see women that are actually NORMAL PEOPLE and arent literal skinwalkers or NPC's. Come to think of it, its honestly just western women.

[@kazama195]

He's the only one they don't tear down but is explicitly described as a simp and sucker and goes with what the women want. idk why anyone would write like that. It's like what they did with ghost busters. Bunch of badass women and the one guy was some tall jacked handsome......retard. I don't get womens dreams of men.

[@VoidstriderLucatiel]

I love hwo the most positive thing that can be said about She Hulk is "It's not rings of Power"

[@DuneStone6816]

For me, Rings of Power is better. Its problems are subtler than She Hulk's and the characters are mostly boring rather than insufferable.

[@Snow.Frostborne_Ch]

The secret to writing a good female character is being able to write a good character period. If the character is well written they could be a turtle or even a chair and they’d still be relatable

[@Dr._Nicolas]

this show could black pill so many people LMAO

[@kiwi-vn2yy]

reading through the comment section... yeah, im very worried about their mental health

[@alejandroromagnoli9519]

...could *what*?

[@honkhonk8009]

Its actually wierd seeing these people portray themselves in the TV show. its like walking into their weird ass messed up world they live in. These people are skinwalkers. I hope every single one of these types of people are eradicated and I don't have to see them. I hate these skinwalkers irl honestly. They always try to paint themselves as the most "human" in the room but end up looking like fucking NPC's

[@JamesAnderson-dp1dt]

One only has to ask oneself this question: “How would a female writer depict women, if her main experience of women’s nature were the example set by Hollywood?”. And everything else follows logically.

[@vaeringjar1387]

Mr. Immortal in the comic has a really complicated history and sympathetic story (involving spirits of death and uncontrollable rage calmed by his part-dinosaur lover from the Savage Land,) and this show turned him into an unfunny joke that doesn't even make any sense. Kind of a microcosm of everything they did to She-Hulk, really.

[@segismundosaulalex3065]

Isn't that what the show did for all of our beloved characters? She-Hulk, abomination, Hulk, Skaar, etc. They are all unfunny jokes in a self insert fanfic that shields itself behind the "It's just a comedy show bruh"

[@l0sts0ul89]

Jesus didn't think they could fuck him up that bad

[@masterjoda999]

his what from the what?

[@Bis0Razorback]

Midnight's Edge, here on YT, have claimed that She-hulk has had several reshoots. AND that the episodes are out of the planned order. The "first episode" was a much later episode but test screenings rated the season poorly. Show runners switched this season's episode order around, almost back to front, and reshot new scenes in an attempt to patch the continuity. Tom and Andre claim the original plan was to spend time with meek Jen and have her become She-hulk half way though. Test screeners were displeased with not seeing She-hulk, so showrunners had to jam She-hulk into the first ep.

[@MagicGonads]

Wow, that explains why there's absolutely no sensible plot, character progression, or dramatic tension/anticipation in the show. Maybe that'd be excusable if it was a funny show, but...

[@bryanwoods3373]

Makes me wonder what the original plot for that episode was. It would have to be at the new job and have not much else happening. Then was the original plan to have what's now episodes 1 and 2 combined to zip through her being fired as an ADA and hired at the other firm? Starting to think test audiences weren't just confused by the origin being in the middle.

[@lordteensie6156]

I didn't watch this episode, and I'm really irritated that they think any lawyer could walk into a courtroom with half her chest exposed, wtf is this

[@cantgame4now152]

LMFAO. I guess it's them showing how women empowerment goes?

[@FiveofHearts1]

Honestly I'm kinda warming up to She Hulk just by everything it admits to. That the modern woman never grew past their "mean girl" phase in high school.

[@gamerboiiiiiii]

How you gonna use she/her pronouns then use they/them ones while refering to the same group?

[@TaoScribble]

@@gamerboiiiiiii **facepalm** Oh, for the love of... They aren't _switching pronouns._ This may not be a perfect explanation, but the use of "their" here is to attribute ownership to the aforementioned group. In this case, "the modern woman". You could repeat "the modern woman", but that's insanely clunky.

[@Scorpio2074]

I also asked why Titania isn't in jail, let alone have her own company and stuff - and people just dismissed me with "She is rich, duh!". Not sure how much many you have to have to get not convicted of attempted murder.

[@BardicGM]

enough to be a major donor in a democrat run city, or just not be charged with murder if you're in new-york city, release without bail.

[@OldieWan]

She Hulk writers: Suicide is really funny! 🙄

[@masterlinktm]

Anything is funny, when consequence free.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

But when you are not female you always have to have acountability.

[@bryanwoods3373]

It's a male suicide, so it doesn't matter on several levels.

[@hassathunter2464]

It was like one of two jokes they landed in the whole "comedy".

[@MultiKeto]

has it even been explained why titania is not in jail?

[@g4sper112]

No, they completely brushed it over

[@nova_supreme8390]

Slept with the judge and got off with slap on the ass.

[@DuneStone6816]

I'm also wondering how her reputation seems to be completely unharmed. Nobody cares that there's a super running around who nearly murdered several people on a whim?

[@mangmerciless9606]

The reason is obvious, incompetent writers.

[@J1283-s1k]

Had it ever been explained where the fuck she even came from? Titania might be the most random, no set up antagonist I've ever seen. Not one mention of who she is, not one scene of her before the attack, and she just turns up out of the blue with a major axe to grind against She-Hulk?

[@KaiserTrigger]

It's always nice to see a new upload from you.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

The only way to maintain the idea that with women in charge there would be no wars is to have never met one. Not that I'm saying men are any better, but if anything that if we're going to improve culture it'll be in understanding our commonalities; the good and the bad.

[@SeismicHammer]

Historically, female leaders were actually more likely to declare war and commit atrocities

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

Women always escalate dangerous situations, either by making their man fight, trying to get a 3rd part involved (3rd part domestic one of the more common ways for a regular joe to be killed or get permanent injuries) or by screaming loudly.

[@williamj.dovejr.8613]

After Endgame, the CGI looked like something from the first Hulk movie.

[@llaauuddrruupp]

Naming her 'Titania' is an interesting choice given her Twitter namesake.

[@REO_Speedweed]

Wokeism is fundamentally similar to narcissism, when you really think about it. That may be why wokeoids can literally ONLY write characters that are terrible people.

[@patricklewis9787]

Aw hell nah what we got Mexican Kyuby up in here for

[@dreamiinotdream730]

It’s really disheartening to watch shows with poor portrayals of women and then have some men genuinely believe all women are like this.

[@thelordz33]

There's a saying that I've heard before, "Men don't really want to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other."

[@JeffCaplan313]

You can either love women or understand women...but not both. Sad, but VERY true. 😔

[@XxTaiMTxX]

@@JeffCaplan313 You can do both, but it's very difficult to do. Understanding women also involves knowing how they got that way to begin with and why they were ever oppressed in society. I understand women more often better than they understand themselves. That is, I understand them to the point that I can turn them from enemies into friends, can convince them to date me around 70% of the time, and get them to trust me implicitly. This is just from interacting with them enough and asking questions. Lots of failures to understand all the underlying logic behind every action they take. It has lead me to find that most women are just not "tolerable" in the slightest since I know most were raised wrong. They were raised as spoiled children by their parents and then by society and have never REALLY been held accountable for anything, nor are they ever really going to be. A small minority of women, who come from homes with a strong father figure have been "taught right", and don't fall into this category, but most come from broken homes or ones with weak fathers. So, you have women acting like they're 8 years old, perpetually, and sometimes finding an intelligent and mature woman appropriately acting her age as a well-balanced individual. The women who end up as "actual people" rather than "children", are easy to love as they talk almost everything out, use logic and reason, and don't make excuses for the things they do or feel. But, they're rare.

[@JeffCaplan313]

@@XxTaiMTxX Yea, that's mostly right. There's a bit more nuance to the 'why are MOST women so toxic', but I generally agree with what you said.

[@malcode9155]

"Sisterhood is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters."

[@Sn0wShepherd]

College lesbians only know how to write one character guess which one that is. And guess who's writing for the show. I get sick of being reminded about the rings of power every time I try to go on Amazon to watch Doctor House MD episodes

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

I thought the last episode where Jen realised that she had needed help and even thanked Daredevil for it actually had some semblance of character growth. It was written by a man so I doubt he is lesbian.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

@@jimsteinmanfan80 Probaly a male feminist, same thing different name

[@thelordz33]

Actually, her completely changing personalities makes since if you view her as bipolar.

[@jackventure3703]

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the big bad turns out to be some guy Jen bullied in high school and that the show is so out touch Jen would turn out to have been a horrible bully but it’ll make her out to be the victim and he should have just got over it.

[@Thetb93]

this is a good reason why you keep your super hero persona secret. you could attack she hulk with phony beauty products but her normal persona would not suffer because of it.

[@bmardiney]

I’ve been using the term “broken women” for a few years now. And it’s the best way of describing what’s happened to women since social media and feminism and the internet in general broke them.

[@robertodell9193]

Women were broken by "Feminism" decades ago, at least since the 1960s.

[@masteroogway2405]

Broken people

[@bmardiney]

@@masteroogway2405 Weak men, broken women.

[@dr.kinderman5290]

@@bmardiney hit the nail on the head.

[@cantgame4now152]

@@bmardiney Messed up society.

[@wintersoldier164]

it's not women fault for she hulk, it's not men fault for she hulk. It's the production and writers fault for she hulk. i understand that comedies does not always have a storyline throughout multiple episodes. But those kind of comedies are usually not a superhero show in a connected universe, who use cliffhangers

[@clawofthefallen]

Making this show a representation of "current year womanhood" couldn't have been a better (though ironic) anti-thesis to both who She-Hulk is and what a superhero should be. At least in her origin (Savage She-Hulk), she was a tough on crime attourney that was going after a mob boss that killed her mother, almost killed her (that made Bruce use his own blood to stabilize her before getting her to the hospital, almost getting caught by the police since he's a fugitive) and later succeeded in killing her best friend (who's alive and kicking in this series) and frame it on her. While Jeniffer indeed got a confidence boost by becoming She-Hulk, she wasn't a doormat (at most she was comic relief to the writer in the "Sensational" run). She has also never thought being She-Hulk as a curse or that it would cause any impediment to her life. She welcomed it with open arms and was extremely grateful to Bruce, who would feel guilty for spreading his "curse" on her (back then Hulk was still a tragic character). Jennifer was competent, but after becoming She-Hulk she got enamorate with the reality of being a superhero, of not being ordinary and having the power to do even greater good. Sensational She-Hulk's run was more sex positive and a lot more humorous in tone, but she was still exciting, heroic and never a bore. Just self-aware (literally, for better or worse). Unlike the best of She-Hulk in the comics, this show's Jennifer is an ironically self-aware bore who does nothing about it because of current year victimhood.

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

Women don't really have friends... at best I would say they have frenemies that they are locked in near-constant silent warfare with like the Chaos Gods from Warhammer to determine who is in control of the metaphorical doll's house.

[@grambo4436]

Ah a man of culture i see

[@crawlingboy]

a man of the emperor and has a stan lee pfp we need to get you some astartes

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

@@crawlingboy That's actually a portrait I drew of him after he passed away and because I liked it (and because I'm lazy) I never changed it lol and I will freely admit I played Space Wolves (with a vindicare assassin) all the way when the second war for Armeggadon was being fought amounts the players... saying that just reminds me I'm old now haha

[@Sanquinity]

Men never get out of their boy phase. Their toys just get bigger and more expensive. Women never grow out of their "mean girl in high school" phase, their tactics just get more passive aggressive. :P

[@madamefluffy4788]

It's not just how they're written; but how they're dressed/made up. I think the only one who avoids this unfortunate treatment is Jen's lawyer. Jen always looks unwashed/disheveled - damned near greasy looking, even in a court setting. As awful as the CGI She Hulk can look at times, she looks far better than her human counterpart; but even she doesn't catch a break when made to wear that hideous dress for the gala event. Titania just looks like a fashion disaster no matter what she's wearing. Her makeup is also just atrocious.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

Didn't need the show to learn that. It's a universal truth.

[@Ultracity6060]

Haven't watched the show, but from these critiques, one thing puzzles me. Everyone seems to hate Jen, and everyone seems to love She-Hulk. But everyone _also_ knows they're the same person. I... huh?

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

She-hulk, just as Hulk feared, endanger everyone around her all the time by crushing parts of buildings and throwing very heavy objects around so no, I don't love her, she is a menace to society. Jen I just hate for being a narcissistic, incompetent, alcoholic slut whose actions constantly contradicts her dialog.

[@hassathunter2464]

Well except for the guys she sleeps with, she keeps it secret for them. Since that's not a terrible thing to do, apparently.

[@DuneStone6816]

I think the core problem may be something surprisingly simple: these are the kinds of writers who don't know how to write funny characters who aren't assholes or idiots.

[@icarue993]

Not to defend the writting (and I havent seen it), but I heard that Disney is looking for the cheapest of talents. Cheap CGI, inexperience writters, all to maximize profit. They go all in on "brand will sell" that they dont bother with good writters. There's a huge difference writting for a show that airs at midnight that no one watches vs a MARVEL series. Maybe a lot of flack wouldnt be thrown at She-Hulk if it wasnt as prominent. Bad writters gonna bad write, but they will get better... eventually. I would put more blame on DIsney than anything else.

[@mattiasilva1705]

Jesus... We are truly living into a reality where "Mary sues" and "quantity over quality" became the staples for this companies. Something than 20 years ago nerds and people would've laughed at the mere idea of something like this possibly happening...

[@Scarecr0w_ofWaaagh_strawpies]

I'm sure plenty of women enjoy the idea of a twerk dance being good for little Susie to see. lol

[@howardsimcox5596]

I have not heard even 1 person say that they enjoy this show

[@breez1065]

Because you only speak with man babys

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

I have actually found that many people seem to enjoy it although I can't fathom why. I guess they haven't read the comics.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

People don't enjoy these types of shows, they run em in the background after a long day of work

[@PreambleJams]

This show has massively innovated on the Self Own. The writers hate themselves so much and they show it in the final episode

[@marywinchester1322]

You pointing out flaws in the script and the immortal is way more funny than the show itself! 😂

[@cyryc]

I like how the simps for the show are like "You musthate the comics cuz it's JUST like the comics".. when Titania is obviously nothing like the comics.."One wrong note eventually ruins the entire symphony."

[@SapphireKnight675]

another thing needed is Likeable characters or Unlikable characters getting they're just deserts, it's practically writing 101, and you can't just have a character do a 180 without reason either, but at this point, they're unconsciously likely trying to prove they can't do it to get petty points and have a shield against criticism

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

The show has painted Jen as a narcissist from the getgo, so her being insanely insecure through most of the season so far oddly makes sense to me. Doesn't make her likable, just that it's an attempt at a character arc because she is stuck in her learning "great power, great responsibility" phase, which I wonder if she'll ever grow out of.

[@tonyng9]

I also knew from the beginning that when Daredevil showed up, he is going to be a competent lawyer while Jen remains incompetent and gets schooled in the courtroom. Because the female writers think that it's "cute" for Jen to act like a ditzy teenager and be incompetent.

[@honkhonk8009]

Its bizzare seeing the inner workings of these peoples minds honestly. Like the sheer NPC/Skinwalker behaviour from lower-upper class people is insane. Like they arent even real people.

[@imjustasconfusedasyou]

a bad show is one thing, but it’s just so much more frustrating because things like this actually hurt the causes it’s suposed to be helping

[@RyomenAyeni225]

bro i miss when they wrote diverse characters properly like black panther, falcon or black widow wtf happend! edit: aleast they tried

[@grambo4436]

The written much better in the comics before Disney and the woketards took over

[@TheEyeofTerror]

Characters doing a 180 after heaps of criticism is a huge sign of amateur writing to me.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

Well, not if the first episodes where written by some (female) writers and the criticism lead to their boss getting another (male) writers for the last episodes with a pronouncement that the character needs to do a 180. Then they just have no choice.

[@TheEyeofTerror]

@@jimsteinmanfan80 That's true yes.

[@SammEater]

They turned the cute likeable She-Hulk of the comics into an annoying Karen past her prime.

[@stackflow343]

so.... is that the show's reason for her being able to casually go she-hulk just whenever, in full control right away without all the trials and tribulations the real hulk had to endure? Literally just because she's a _woman_ ??? 🙄🙄🙄

[@Zantetsudex]

Having a show that centered around a superhero lawyer dealing with the deconstruction element of the legal ramifications of the business would have made it one of the most interesting shows ever made. We don't even deserve that, looks like.

[@jamesparson]

Would such a show need twerking?

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

We need the superhero equivalent of Saul Goodman

[@XxXVideoVeiwerXxX]

If they explained she was only a girl boss around banner cause they were family, that would help explain it

[@DannySmith-]

I like how Sitch still uses the exact same dog sound effect from his very first video. *Roof* 🐶

[@dvya6916]

FMAB is written by a woman (Arakawa Hiromu) and has amazing female characters like Riza, Izumi, Olivier etc ♥️

[@malefic5254]

Saying "incompetent writing" and "wokeness" in the same sentence is just repeating yourself, let's be real here.

[@justinbauk1026]

Sitch you can bet 100% that writers of this show see your videos. I know many of these self- absorbed producers and writer types and they obsess, nonstop, on anything that's adjacent to their image or work. When not on thr job they are sifting through videos and twitter in a egomaniacal prison of their own making. They spend equal time reveling and triumphing in their echo chambers as they seeth and execrate to their detractors (you). They are deserving of our pity, however their ambitions wish opposition harm so we must keep ridiculing them. Keep up the great work, Sitch 👍💪

[@clouddreamurr4815]

Remember, She-Hulk talked about his good looking boyfriend saying : “It’s not important if he is good looking. But it’s important”

[@simongraham7343]

Yes, the writers are watching your episodes and retroactively changing their scripts🙂

[@hassathunter2464]

Which KZbinr would be S2's baddie? You know, if that had any odds of actually being made.

[@MrSoso1050]

She hulk autodestroying itself is almost poetic.

[@feyrie]

Good video BUT I’m here to let you know the bridesmaid bullying thing, is actually something that does happen. Check out bridezilla stories. It happens and it’s very stupid. Unfortunately women are very mean to each other for dumb reasons.

[@Beeezledrop]

Women always seem to be at odds with each other, If a woman isn't gossiping, judging, sabotaging, or being passive-aggressive and condescending to each other that's where you'll find one or two genuine supportive friends but those exceptions are usually few. Seems like most women view other women as rivals in one way or another. So I'm not surprised that these tendencies would bleed into the writing of She-hulk.

[@honkhonk8009]

THAT IS SO FUCKING TRUE. Litterally no "sisterhood". Its such a wierd thing man. its all some microcompetition with each other to flex their narcissism. Its why these people go into 6 figure debt to get useless degrees in University. They probably surround themselves with likeminded narccissists, and feel the only way to feel succesfull is with some degree. But they arent even interesting in the shit they study, so they try to go for something they know they can do good in with little effort.

[@iwillgowiththatcat8667]

You know so much about relationship and dynamics it’s astounding.

[@AliRadicali]

I have a hunch that Titania exists in the show mainly to be a catty caricature of what the middle-aged corporate fembot writers resent in younger female influencers. They're envious of the independence and success these influencers have achieved without big daddy corporation giving them a diversity-quota handout, so they felt the need to include a disparaging parody in their feminist show that hates women. The really big tell for me is that they felt so insecure about Titania they couldn't even allow her, the fashion influencer lady, to look nice. They went out of their way to depict her as some sort of avant-garde clown in every single scene. Her outfits look like she raided Elton John's closet and her make up reminds me of Homer's make-up shotgun. For all their vaunted feminist empathy, the writers can't even relate to other women outside of their extremely narrow socio-political group and age-range.

[@joesomebody3365]

It's pretty rare I watch any shows made in the west these days (US/Europe) because even if they have a promising start, they usually can't pay off any of their setups, or fall into extremely bad writing tropes due to them trying to "subvert expectations".

[@mrbigglezworth42]

This show will be an evergreen joke, in that it will never stop being funny that a show primarily written by women can make all the women in the show incredibly vile.

[@Crow_Rising]

All the audience of any show/movie wants is for the characters to be written as human first, and male/female as a much more secondary priority. Start by setting up a loose character archetype, such as for example "Lawyer" or "Doctor" or "Scientist" or "Parent" or etc. Layer in some personality traits associated with this, and perhaps a few here and there that typically aren't but can still work for what you are using them for to give the character some flare as an individual. Once you have all that set up, you can start layering in some gender traits as a lower priority thing to help establish the completed identity of the character without their gender outright defining them. The characters should be flawed by design, which means the writers are aware of what these character flaws are and are deliberately structuring the plot around said flaws. This is where the comedy, drama, and character development comes from. A flawed character doesn't have to develop if they're not the main character, but if they don't then their lack of change should be a character interaction with other characters that is of much more consequence to said other characters over time. There's a number of different roles these unchanging characters can fit, such as acting as a comparison point to highlight the growth of the main character over time, or to act as a running gag, or etc. If a character does change over time, it should always, ALWAYS be because of something in the plot naturally and believably molding them into this new "shape". If you have a character go from bold and confident to meek and submissive, it should be because of something in the plot believably diminishing away their confidence, such as trauma and/or guilt. Likewise, if a character is going from bratty and self-absorbed to polite and compassionate, it should be because something in the plot has shaped them into that new role. A character suddenly changing for no apparent reason and with no explanation given is jarring and unnatural, and simply doesn't work in a plotline that's meant to be taken seriously as the characters personal story. It's what you expect to see in low level fan fiction that exists to fulfill someone's personal fantasy, not in an official product. The shortcoming of these writers is that they are so obsessed with gender that they've forgotten to write their characters as human. Gender is top priority in the identity of each character, and who they are as a person is directly shaped by this obsession. It's even to the point that individuals can't even do their jobs properly because the gender politics of "woman good, man bad" is all that matters and is clearly the only thing that motivates these writers. So much so to the point that when criticized for it, they jump to their isms defense immediately even though all the critics want is for them to treat their characters as human beings instead of as gender stereotypes.

[@errol6926]

I just wanna watch that episode where the guy jumps out the window, I feel the same sometimes 😂😂

[@tilmerkan3882]

I'm kind of a dull person. I see something and mostly I find it ok (even "Pearl Harbour" :D:D:D) . Then I watch what others say and so I find out what my unconsciousness tried to tell me. With Shehulk it felt awkward and your video really helped me understand, what I don't like about this series.

[@namenotfound0]

What I’ve seen from people trying to write PEOPLE Males writing women: “the love interest that’s hard to get or too easy” Males writing men: “dude” Women right women: “independent woman who needs no man, is a badass or is mentally struggling but still independent” Women righting man: *abs* That’s just what I usually see when it comes to something relating to romance

[@an2qzavok]

it's like my Korean web comics about being reincarnated as a noble lady in a fantasy world that I can't stop reading

[@Bob-em6kn]

Gender of the writer has nothing to do with it. The writer itself suck. They try so hard to push so many themes and stories within 9 episodes that the show became a train wreck. A women's miserable love life? Her hulk life? Her lawyer life? The secret organization trying to steal her blood? The effect of Asgard migration? Hulk? Too many direction all scattered. More so, the way they wanted to shove the pro women act into the audience throat so hard that everyone choked. "Oh I'm a strong WOMAN but I am also actually desperate for a men's love". That whole scene is a mess. The writters didn't discuss how they wanted to write the characters, leading a clash of personality by different writers. NOT to mention, the ending. The way they mitigate all the built up trash writing and story with A fourth wall breaking and changing the entirety of the story. It's cool and all but that's just horrible writing. We have the handmaid tales, Harry Potter, the power, to kill a mockingbird, the bloody chamber and more. ALL WRITTEN BY WOMEN that knows HOW TO WRITE and express the pain and desire of women PROPERLY AND WELL.

[@laurencefinn1347]

solid analysis.... must discuss with my therapist..."we are indeed drifting in the arena of the unwell, making an enemy of our own future" (I, Withnail, & I)

[@jstn7936]

The writers for She Hulk were just God awful. I understand why they wanted to go with a group of writers full of women but they were just seriously "woke". To make a point, would I want only a group of white writers making Black Panther 2. No, I wouldn't because of cultural differences.

[@nuckinfutzsf822]

IIRC Bridesmaids actually has a job supporting the Bride. If the Bride is all dressed up and suddenly has to use the bathroom or something she needs a BFF help her take care of business without messing up her dress. Everyone is supposed to come together to support her on her special day.

[@chewxieyang4677]

Am I the only one who find it odd that the same people who tend to prefer 'Strong, Independent Women', also tend to be not too keen on Individualism as we know it? I mean, you got to pick a lane at some point, don't we?

[@JoFa876]

It really is a truly terrible series, given the amazing story content they have from the comic series, which was smartly done.