Wonka Is a Little Too Sweet (w/ Keith Habersberger) | Guilty Pleasures Ep. 140

[@maggiewalker95]

Can I BEG you to do saltburn because I must hear Kelsey’s thought/screams

[@kaylamatters]

The faint echo of Garrick yelling “FUCK THIS MOVIE” took me out

[@kaylee8238]

“I’ve had an intense journey with this” in relation to Timothee Chalamet being hot is so hilarious I love rainie 😭

[@solcarlosofficial]

I don’t see it as a prequel I see it more of an alternative universe

[@drewjohnston4309]

"Maybe Wonka shouldn't be the main character" agreed Zach. I once heard an author give this piece of advice: "Before you start writing a book ask yourself two questions, 1. is your main character the most interesting character? If not why aren't we following that character? 2. Is this the most interesting part of your main character's life? If not, why aren't we following that adventure instead of this one?" Willy Wonka is the main character of first movie, Charley is the narrator. So, if we assume the first movie is the most interesting part of Wonka's life, why do we care about his prequel?

[@stephaniesimpson-white3293]

Brilliant advice

[@mangofiends]

the woody being fixed as a kid was my favorite scene, just the way it looks, the motions of the toy cleaner i don't know how to explain it but god it's just such a good piece of the film for me

[@hiVanderLinden]

Yessss definitely not a guy thing! This scene is my Roman empire!

[@cheesecakelasagna]

Yes! The close up glossiness 👌

[@EmeraldCDoha]

please cover the 2005 pride and prejudice next! also I love that Garrick immediately swung to guilty after that Paddington fact LOL

[@corn4058]

the dude who had the night out chocolate, Simon Farnaby is actually a co-writer for both wonka and the Paddington movies

[@emmalovmusic]

Damn I will forever lament a world without Donald Glover as wonka

[@xgreydovex]

It's one of the biggest travesties of our time.

[@janacardullo5194]

Every song would have been a banger and he would've been truly deranged.

[@Aleeshia]

As a nail tech, I think of the Woody scene every single time I’m real close doing fine details on a design 🤣🤣🤣

[@solcarlosofficial]

The only scene that disappointed me was the ending. When we see wonka build the factory it looked too CGI and sort of not unique looking. I wish they had design a more unique look for the final factory and not rely on cgi that much.

[@tanatrimble8035]

I had a dream last night that Keith and Becky let me live in their house and he really wanted to smoke a cigar so we were tearing through drawers full of Pokémon cards and what have you looking for those things that slice the end of a cigar off. And my mom visited and y’all made us lasagna made of different kinds of oranges. And here you are this morning! 😂😂😅

[@lindseyvasquez6305]

I loved this

[@oliviabarnard7097]

PLEASE DO SALTBURN NEXT🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 I just know Kelsey would LOVE THAT SHI

[@marisamartinez1477]

I agree with Rainie ❤ The disrespect to Amber Riley, Naya Rivera and Chris Colfer especially saying Glee sounds like Kidz Bop 😂

[@made.by.bethan]

Simon Farnaby being called a 'Paul King regular' is so funny when we co wrote the films!! I think this film was made for brits because the cast is insane British legends

[@carriechameleon]

Gotta say, I’m a woman, and that perfect swipe of paint on Woody’s boot? Chills. Every time. I get it, boys.

[@kendalljohnson4569]

THANK GOD YOURE DOING THIS MOVIE pls let saltburn be next 😩🙏🏽 neeeed to hear what u all thought of the bathtub scene and the 🪦🧎 scene

[@k.gonzalez5336]

I know this pod is about Wonka but I CANNOT stand for musical slander!! Musicals are fantastic. If you hate musicals you hate joy! And if we’re talking about musical adaptations, the 2007 Hairspray movie is by far the best adaptation of the 21st Century (I said what I said). Queen Latifah is an absolute gem in that movie. I would love to see y’all try to hate on it. You simply can’t. And if we’re talking about a real guilty pleasure, it’s Grease. Bc those are grown adults playing teenagers, but the music is so damn catchy and the costumes were iconic. Fight me (Jk pls don’t but seriously, musicals are the ultimate guilty pleasure and y’all should do a pod on it)

[@lilly50821]

i remember my only thought throughout the movie was “ is he really gonna milk a giraffe “ then “ omg he milked a giraffe “

[@lilly50821]

i actually really liked it tho

[@hconf]

Keith must be a permanent member of this show. He is genius and interesting and has me learning things!

[@livk453]

the woody cleaning scene is asmr, that’s why 😂

[@flickeringembers21]

I think there’s an actual reason why the scrub scrub song sounds out of place in the film and why people dislike it. There was a BBC radio 1 interview with one of the writers of Wonka (Simon Farnaby aka the guard of the zoo) and Mathew Baynton (the chocolate maker who kept on throwing up) in which they apparently said they helped write the lyrics for it. This was because the two of them are best known in the UK for being on a sketch show called Horrible Histories, in which some of the sketches are songs. They were asked for input on scrub scrub specifically so it would sound like a horrible histories song. But those songs are written to be in sketches, not musicals, and the different context just makes it seem a bit strange because they are two different styles of music. If that song was in a sketch on a show with a vibe like horrible histories, people would have loved it. As it was, it just seemed strange in context as it wasn’t written for the context it was placed in.

[@MajaBailey]

I wish they brought in a random British person for episodes like this because Horrible Histories and Doctor Who as well as the founding of the CofE is integral to understanding them fully

[@kassiesconcepts3276]

Just got here but I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, and was EXTREMELY surprised that I did. It left me feeling like a child again.Best word to describe the movie to me was Whimsy and joyous 😊

[@BellaMein]

I love that I clicked on this video hoping to be validated for liking (loving?) Wonka and I was. I agree with MOST criticisms but not all. The idea that it was a random drawing at the end when Noodle meets her mom is wild. If you LISTENED to Noodle you'd know that she was talking about her dreams of her mother. She dreams that her mom loves reading as much as her and lives in a house made of books. Then at the end, we see that her mom works at a LIBRARY and lives there so the drawings are supposed to represent her dreams coming true and that the magical mom she's always wished for was real!

[@EvWuzhere]

Z n K seem REALLY caught up on this version of will not being in line w the gene wilder version- and each wonka movie really has been a different universe/iteration- they borrow from the IP but clearly arent meant to have direct continuity. To be fair i was stuck on this point too when watching the movie bc i also wanted will's character to be more like a gene wilder prequel going in- but when you let that go, theres so much to love here and i think tim's interpretation of will is great in its own right. I couldnt disagree more with keth when he said it was boring, it was enchanting, and imo even moreso than the paddington films Also was not expecting a sensual diatribe about the scene in toy story where woody gets fixed

[@EvWuzhere]

One point i do agree on is the musical aspect just not being memorable

[@themostbritishamerican]

thank you rainie for always being the voice of reason glee is incredible its Culture

[@whereyoubean]

Yes. I love Glee Glee is my gateway to Musical. That’s why I love watching musicals now. I’m guessing they don’t watch all the way through the end . I hope Rainie force them to watch Season 5 The Quarterback episode. Then we’ll talk

[@Payton-Deese]

THANK you Garrick for acknowledging the ASMR roots of the Woody getting fixed phenomenon, we all know what's up

[@ferisera]

Hee. I just got to 34:14, where Zach talks about Hugh Grant having grown into kinda an irascible eccentric presence on-screen. I am now old enough, and was exposed to certain movies at a young enough age, to always consider Hugh Grant as a selfish, egocentric, unpleasant man along to have a good time at everyone's expense. Thanks, Lair of the White Worm!

[@clarkecalderon3331]

That Toy Story scene is ASMR lol Not everyone gets an ASMR, but also not just guys 😂

[@hiVanderLinden]

+!

[@cheesecakelasagna]

This! Rainie and Kelsey were the wrong test audience for that moment 😅 I would've jumped from my seat upon the mention.

[@Anna_Bee]

Cons: I agree - no stakes! Every conflict was resolved in about 10 seconds. + Wonka's crew was presented like we're supposed to care about them, then they had like no dialogue. (I also hated Noodle, Zach - go girl give us nothing! The writers needed to give her some personality) + Way too much cgi. Pros: Nice visuals, the songs were pretty ok imo, Olivia Colman + Tom Davis + Rowan Atkinson + Timothée killed it. Overall, better than I expected & enjoyable but the more you think about it the more faults you find.

[@christophergarrett7082]

I had a huge smile afterwards watching this movie

[@laceybrandmeyer1756]

Its ok Raney. We both know Glee is a masterpiece. 🥰

[@alexare6655]

No.

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

it’s rainie, but also agreed. it’s so chaotic and contradictory and makes no sense

[@laceybrandmeyer1756]

@@he.said.teenjiejer thank u for the correction. ☺️ and yeah i agree, its a fever dream.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

I've never watched Glee but every time I hear about any episode synopsis I fucking howl they're so unhinged.

[@jem29]

i absolutely loved this movie and have had the soundtrack on repeat since it came out! my favourite song is for a moment (the giraffe one) this podcast hurts my feelings but i always come back😂

[@whereyoubean]

30:13 timestamp for Glee. Now,please have a Glee episode. Well there some songs in Glee that their cover is better than the original

[@JRodMcSniper180]

Nobody tell Zack that the 2019 CATS musical soured them for people...

[@solcarlosofficial]

It really reminded me of Mary Poppins 😍

[@summerkelley6883]

I’m not a man but I absolutely obsess over that Toy Story scene. The paint over Andy’s name!

[@hiVanderLinden]

+!

[@kelbimckinley8042]

I never expected to get gender euphoria from Guilty Pleasures but hearing Zach, Keith, and Garrick talk about the cleaning scene from Toy Story 2 really got me 😂 and Zach saying "I didn't realize it was a gender thing until I saw your faces" made me rethink my friendships

[@hiVanderLinden]

😂 I'm all for gender euphoria but I do have to point out it is one of my all time favorite scenes in a movie & I think about it often. I feel like anyone who watches like fridge clean out videos or art restoration videos now would feel the same way

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@hiVanderLinden Same! Even as a kid, I knew I couldn't handle a multiple watch of Toy Story 2 in one seating. I always had to space rewatches out, especially pertaining to that scene.

[@MsVanessaSt]

36:16 Re CGI Video essay - I think it’s the “Why did Davy Jones Look SO Realistic?” from CGY There’s also “What Was Actually Going On in Pirates of the Caribbean” by Fame Focus, but my guess is the guys are referencing the CGY video

[@beatricevoorhees6992]

the woody cleaning scene is NOT gendered because i love it too and i knew exactly. EXACTLY what garrick was talking about before y'all said toy story 2

[@hiVanderLinden]

+!

[@adilenequintessence]

Okay y’all are so wrong. I’m a mom now and watch this with my 2 year old. This movie is soooo good and the songs are great and catchy! Can’t wait to watch it on Broadway one day haha I kept yelling noooo you’re soooo wrong! 😂

[@Dapperhippie]

I'd argue glee wasn't kids bop for adults. It was a soap opera musical for kids. And that just makes it so much more weird. Kids bashing windows of cars. Wives hiding pregnancies. Car accidents. Highschoolers becoming strippers or being sent to crack houses. Homophobic bullies dating your ex boyfriend. Glee was a messy teenage soap opera. Prove me wrong lmao

[@barbarapolakiewicz3913]

guilty pleasures remains one of my favourite podcasts, such a cool vibe, makes me laugh audibly and just always improves my mood. such a gem in the world of podcasts! ❤ keep it going!

[@faith123rox]

I LOVED this movie. I cried, I laughed, I found it so darling. It felt like watching Mary Poppins for the first time. And if you have watched Saving Mr Banks (which is incredible) you know the books were not made to be like the movie and the author fought them on it the whole time, but it became something so beautiful that it, in a way, reflected and healed her inner child. I think this movie does that. I think it still has the dark themes and brings the whimsy like the other movies. It's just a different take and it's lovely for kids/adults who experienced the dark and unfair, feeling trapped and all they could do was imagine an impossibly whimsical world and scenarios to escape.

[@aliselynch]

Ok, guys, im dying for yall to do the 2005 Pride and Prejudice. Zach will cream for the directing choices, everyone will cream over Keira Knightley (and Rosamund Pike, and a bunch of other awesome ladies), plus Donald Sutherland, its a gorgeous piece to look at, great noise and scoring, great acting. Romance! All pleasure for me. Plus i want to hear all the jokes for the one pig shot. Lol.

[@MichelleArielis]

Having not seen this movie, this episode feels like theyre talking about three different movies lmfaooo

[@fdlc0105]

How has Maggie not made Kelsey watch the Trolls movies 😅?

[@ejt263]

You need to do an episode for Saltburn!

[@kileyrubin5769]

I (who identifies as she/her) understands the Woody scene in Toy Story 2 - when he paints his boot 🤤

[@hiVanderLinden]

+!

[@cheesecakelasagna]

Yes! the painting over the boot and polishing the eyes 👩‍🍳💋

[@ashtonv1730]

I would 100% watch the movie Oompa

[@mygirl737g2]

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

oh would LOVE

[@cheesecakelasagna]

omg is this how im gonna learn there's an adaptation???

[@peterpumpkin7745]

Garrick is a snack😮‍💨

[@bjdetwieler]

Does anyone know the KZbin channel that has the Pirates of the Caribbean cgi video they referenced?

[@MsVanessaSt]

I think they are talking about “Why did Davy Jones Look SO realistic?” From CGY

[@bjdetwieler]

@@MsVanessaSt thank you!!

[@jazminenovela5325]

The "wee-oo" moment was the highlight of this ep.

[@nanichdz]

I pictured it as a Doctor Who thing where he is magic so he outlives his friends over and over that's how the times advace between movies and he's a different kind of Wonka each time.

[@sheeeeevs]

Rick stay strong!!!!!! I also despise musicals so maybe this is just made for ppl who don't like them #justiceforgarrick

[@rachelmulgrew276]

Not to be *that history student* but Britain catholic? Are they thinking Ireland? Britain is primarily Church of England, it hasn’t been catholic since the Middle Ages. Also as to why the dislike… the priest scandal is probably the most damaging scandal in recent history. The Catholic Church really damaged their reputation here during that, even devout catholics struggled to come to terms with it. Britain was very much designed to be separate from the Catholic Church since the 1530’s. In fact even today you can’t be catholic or marry a catholic in the royal family

[@FayeDy]

Have yall talked about Edge of Seventeen yet 😭

[@tlahmed]

I highly disagree about Les Miserables. That musical movie is what spurred my love for musicals. I didn’t grow up watching musicals live, and High School Musical was essentially my only exposure to musical movies. I saw Les Mis on Christmas with my family when I was 17, and I walked out of the theatre with my mind absolutely blown. My parents listened to me sing those songs for MONTHS. To this day it’s my favorite musical, I got to see it off Broadway a couple of years ago and I couldn’t have been happier.

[@eyeseajujubee]

All it took to change his mind was Paddington

[@sidney.daniellee]

My senior year of high school at Hillside High School in Durham, NC and I played Augustus’ mom it was it was so much fun lowkey miss being in plays

[@brodieshouse5354]

Many of your fave actors from this are in the UK version (original) of the TV show Ghosts. Highly recommed!!!

[@Vinflowerfield]

32:52 jyp moment there😂

[@spacecookiekate]

We NEED yall to watch and talk about saltburn 🙏🏻😩 pretty pls

[@alexxis2928]

I loved the songs for wonka!!!! That’s what made it for me

[@ViktoriaBalog]

I'm with Garrick! it's a full P, until I realised there will be a different director for Paddington 3 because of this movie 😳😳

[@scpitre3303]

I’m finally catching up on missed episodes and just wanted to agree that TROLLS THREE FUCKING RIPS!!!! 🥳🥳🥳 It’s the BEST one and I want an ENTIRE Brozone album. Thank youuuu!

[@futuroid]

the toy story 2 thing is crazy ong

[@Heydoesanybodywannalaugh]

I’m a tiny bit surprised that Zach didn’t call out Veruca Salt (the character) as the name of the titular ‘90s alt rock band…does anyone remember Seether? Nina Gordon?? Girls Rock on!

[@alexare6655]

Are uou fucking kidding me? That band was named after the character.

[@Heydoesanybodywannalaugh]

@@alexare6655 yep, the band was named after the character. Obv. not the other way around.

[@jordbanana]

So sorry but the venn diagram of try guy fans and glee fans is just a circle

[@dashakopulsky4690]

OKAY YES!! I really disliked Noodle too! I also thought her singing felt really autotuned?! The whole musical-ness of the film was a FLOP

[@lizzie4271]

"Glee is Kids Bop for grown ups."😆

[@pearlkennedy9446]

I agree with Keith on all points. The chocolate addicted monks were the funniest part and none of the music was memorable. I love musicals so it shouldn’t be hard to have me coming out of the theater singing 😂

[@amorky8391]

I think what might not have gotten caught at the end is this movie is the beginning of the brokenness and darkness of willy wonka

[@EvWuzhere]

HUGH GRANTS BEST ROLE

[@EvWuzhere]

Yes literally lets get him to begrudgingly star in a whole oompa movie from his perspective

[@jaxgarry7881]

absolutely not shocked to see her with a starbucks cup. all talk never action. Anyway, this chat has been the best PR for this movie.

[@Jesymka]

I agree! I didn’t want to eat chocolate HOWEVER! Did you know they had a chocolatier who created all the edible items and pieces of the store set?!? I thought it was CGI but it wasn’t. The editing really didn’t help either, let me see him bite and chew the cup!

[@awsome8118]

I had the same exact journey with Timotee as Rainie did, no notes

[@alexare6655]

Then maybe you could answer cause she never did as to why he is,annoying

[@melneth3119]

Would love to see you guys discuss the influencer!

[@catherineelisephotography]

Please please please do an ep. on Easy A!?

[@cheesecakelasagna]

I need to know if you've watched their vid now!

[@cheesecakelasagna]

I feel like I'm the only one whose canon Wonka growing up is Johnny Depp 😅 I've never watched the first musical.

[@abbybottar2297]

I think canonically Willy Wonka closed his chocolate factory to the world and only used Oompa Loompas because the other chocolate factories were stealing his secrets! There was a leak from his human employees.

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

i don’t think these guys understand that no one is watching glee for the music of it all. people are watching glee because the plot is _insane._

[@Stupidmuffin64]

Y'all are kinda foolish for not piecing this together yourselves but Wonka is not the origin story for how Willy became who he is the old movie. Wonka is the story of how Willy came to open his factory. From the ending of this movie Willy and Hugh Grant build and open Wonka's chocolate factory and become the most successful and famous candy maker in the world. Noodle goes off the live with her mother who do their best to make up for lost time and beyond a weekly delivery of chocolate to the library probably has little contact with Willy moving forward. The rest of the Scrub brigade were all adults forced into servitude who all had lives to return to. Even if you have issue accepting they went to live their own lives they would ultimately just become hired employees at the factory, which means we know what happens. After years of successful growth, the chocolate cartel begins sending in spies to steal Wonka's recipes leading to Wonka firing all employees and closing off the factory at which point he brings in more oompa loompas to act as his employees. Then as he ages he comes to recognize he can't continue like this forever and begins his plans/hunt for a child like Noodle that he can entrust with his fortune. Something he finds in Charlie Bucket. The idea Wonka hates the world is your own presumptions based off him being snarky and reclusive but he's like that because he's been burned not bc he's a pessimist

[@thisurldoesnotexist]

Willie Muse is never gonna come on the pod now that you've trash talked his name for several minutes lol

[@cheesecakelasagna]

Definitely not a gendered thing. That cleaning Woody scene soothes my body and soul every single time. Hence, I didn't watch Toy Story 2 more than once in one seating. I needed time in between for sure.

[@EllaAlaina]

Glee is great !

[@lindaquelinda_]

I loved the movie. GUILTY PLEASURE!!

[@jennyw5904]

Woody getting cleaned is the most satisfying thing, and one of my favorite scenes in TS2. I don't think its a gendered thing tbh lol XD

[@Lexapro101]

Recommend: Scooby Doo movie (2002) review please!!! Mr. Bean at his best :)

[@bubbletea9111]

I hate movies that trap you into a bad musical. I will probably never see this movie. It just gives me a vibe of trying to be a mix between Johnny Depp's Wonka and Gene Wilder's Wonka but just not succeeding. This movie just feels like it didn't need to be made and shouldn't of been made. And I love musicals. I loved Les Miserables, Glee, etc. I am a Disney adult. And this feels like none of those. I feel the same about Mean Girls. Never gonna see that either.

[@justsophia22]

Is Timothée previously reviewing Xbox controllers how the Wonka collab with Xbox came about??? They made a chocolate Xbox controller and everything

[@Kehearn1010]

This is great. Now I don’t have to go watch the movie 😂

[@victorialopez8459]

DAY ONE OF ASKING YALL TO REVIEW (the 2023 movie) BOTTOMS!!!

[@ekl1457]

I thought the bank was going to be the factory... and feel that was a big missed moment

[@gritT865]

Mean girls and the color people had people literally singing and dance numbers in the trailers 😭also a quick google says musical in the genre but I get what you mean.

[@sulsulsunday432]

Okay, the Toy Story 2 scene is absolutely NOT a gendered thing

[@hp6964]

My only problem is that the backstory changed some especially with the Oompa Loompas. I probably wouldn’t have watched it anyway but that’s something I picked up on from the trailer. I get it’s different and it’s a musical but I loved the book as a kid so no thanks

[@nicolen4401]

I wonder if the sketch scenes to explain past stories are not just ripped off from Enola Holmes… Millie Bobbie Brown was mentioned in this episode but I wasn’t paying too much attention as to when…