Woodwork Tools: Introducing the 78 Rebate/Rabbet Plane

[@stevengreen4316]

Wish every YTuber was as thorough as yourself in explaining things. Many thanks.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Thank you. I know my long form videos are not for every one, but there are plenty of other options for people to get a quick hit - I like detail.

[@andymyers2759]

I just cleaned up one of these today, missing the fence unfortunately but the basic plane is totally sound after a hundred years and some light oiling really brought it back to life :) I figure I'll just use an external fence and we're all good.

[@bbrachman]

I too purchased one of these are a flea market. I went through all the steps you did in a similar fashion. I found that the single fence support tended to flex while planing. Giving me a rabbet that was not truly square. Also, since the fence is so shallow, I tended to tilt the entire plane. I saw online how some woodworkers would drill two holes in the fence and add a larger piece of rosewood to make it easier to keep the plane perpendicular to the wood. I finally broke down and purchased the most excellent replacement from Veritas. Their plane has a skewed blade, two fence posts and a very large fence. Very happy with it.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Hey Bruce, yes I was looking at the Veritas Skew Rabbet Plane at a show/expo last year, very nice. I was tempted but had already blown my budget at the time ... maybe one day. It's good to hear a positive review from an actual user, thanks. I understand your comments regarding the fence on 78 style plane, it's a definite weakness. The small fence has the potential for flexing and yes, you have to guard against tilting due to its shallow nature. The plane I show in the video is actually pretty solid, but I have definitely seen examples which have more noticeable flex, maybe down to manufacture or materials - though I'd agree, the basic design doesn't help. There are some iterations of the 78 style which have two fence arms/rails/posts such as the Woden A78, and I suspect this is much less prone to flex. I've not suffered too much thus far, probably because most of the rebates I've cut have been fairly shallow. I did cut one pretty deep rebate that I noticed was a little off square, but I 'fixed' this by rotating the work pice by 90 degrees, resetting the fence and depth stop as appropriate and then planing along at 90 degrees to the original cut - this gave me a nice square finish. I believe this is a pretty widely adopted technique. Before I had the 78, I mostly used my Stanley no 50 combination plane for cutting rebates. The no 50 has two fence arms which I think goes a long way to mitigating the potential for flex. I do tend to reach for the 78 now though, as the simplicity of a plane that does just one job means there is less set up time and no fiddling about with different cutters etc. I still think for all its weaknesses, a second hand 78 is a great way of adding to a tool kit for a new woodworker, someone on a budget or for someone that only cuts the occasional rebate. That said, swapping it out for something like the Veritas if you have the means or if regular rebating becomes a part of life is never going to be a bad decision. Thanks for your interesting comments.

[@ket0_t0ne39]

Happen to have the Montgomery Wards version of that plane...No issues.

[@VORONM]

Very necessary tool for any joiner. I have the same, but the smaller size.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Yes, I use it often!

[@Vormulac1]

I dug out my Record 778 today, forgot how useful it is! :)

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Excellent! Yes, so versatile.

[@Sojourner-ql6du]

Excellent advice. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Just one tip that I'll suggest for flattening the frog: I use a small diamond plate, a DMT coarse, 4" x 7/8"...lengthwise, it lays against the frog surface perfectly flat. Like you, I am very careful not to change the contour of the surface. You must go slowly and maintain perfectly flat contact to avoid rounding.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Yes, thanks, that's very sound advice.

[@johnbredemere299]

Enjoyed the video - very informative - thank you for sharing.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

I'm glad you found it useful.

[@androidgameplays4every13]

Awesome quality video, thanks.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Thank you

[@ignacioaguerrea1560]

It's an interesting tool. Good job

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Thanks for watching.

[@dscraft6358]

Nice and instructive video! I have a bunch of those rebate planes in my workshop, it's a pleasure to work with them. Old hand tools are sweet, nice done restoring this one What angle do you prefer on the edge?

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Hey, thanks for the comment. I ground the edge to 25° and didn't bother with a secondary bevel. It seems to be working OK for my requirements, but I'm always interested in experimenting. Do you have a preferred angle, and do you bother with a secondary bevel/honed angle.

[@dscraft6358]

@@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905 I do the same as you, and don't bother with a second angle. I often work with softwood, like pine, and a 30 degree angle works fine for me. But i might try to go for a 25 degree angle at the next sharpening. Nice channel btw :)

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Thank you :D. My choice of a 25° angle was pretty arbitrary, it was the angle that the iron seemed to be closest too when I got it, so figured it would take less grinding. Also, its the angle I use for my bench planes so seemed like a good place to start.

[@athmostafa2462]

In what angle did u sharp the blade ? 25 or higher ?? for 78 plane ?

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Hi, I use a straight 25 degree bevel. I don't usually bother with a secondary or micro bevel.

[@robertbrunston5406]

I have one! Thank you.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Thanks for watching.

[@henriqueoliveira6401]

Tx

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Thanks

[@calinoso1719]

Pasar estos videos en español.latino

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

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[@adamwilson4834]

Oh my god if another KZbinr say rebate/rabbet one more friggin time...seriously, we got it 10 years ago.

[@adventuresint-shirtswoodwo3905]

Sorry/Apologies Adam, I wasn't aware of the happening/occurrence 10 years/a decade ago when we/everyone finally achieved linguistic unity. ;-) In all seriousness though, I take your point. Those of us with a few years of experience are probably comfortable and familiar with the different terminology used in different geographies, and the constant use of this/that does break up the flow of a sentence. However, with videos like this one which I want to make accessible to novice woodworkers, I think the approach is valid in the interests of clarity.