Woodworking Squares: 851 VS T-200 / Woodpeckers Tools Compared To Banggood Tools

[@InspireWoodcraft]

This giveaway is now closed. Thank you to all who watched and commented!

[@kenjcm]

Aw dang...

[@SGTGardner]

Same, minus the saw stop lol

[@mojorizn72]

Love woodpeckers tools, but as a retired disabled Vet, I don’t have a woodpecker budget. I make do with what I got and can afford. Blew my woodworking budget on my new sawstop. Had to buy it. Can’t afford to be any more disabled than I already am LOL!

[@ArmyVet76]

I’m in the same foxhole brother 👊🏼 although I went with the Laguna fusion 3 and laguna 14bx bandsaw.

[@GraemePayne1967Marine]

Semper Fi brother. Similar situation with disability, social security & a tiny IRA. But I've got a 40 year old radial arm saw I keep in top shape. Also have some HF tools & "measuring" instruments but only where the quality of my work is less critical. I generally go a step or two higher for real measurements, although I can't afford Starrett or Mitutoyo. Recently splurged on a set of machinist squares and a set of setup blocks from iGaging, those help a lot with accuracy & precision. 3rd AMTRAC Bn, Vietnam 69-70.

[@charlesdabb1821]

First off thank you for your service. I too am disabled and live on a fixed income. It's difficult but, every once in awhile I have to splurge and treat myself. I only buy the Woodpeckers tools when they're on sale though. That's how I ended up buying on banggood.com.

[@TheSMEAC]

Same fighting-hole with you brother, I’m just fortunate to have both my retirement and the disability to compensate for the loss of the opportunity of a second career and family provision; all because of wicked RoE’s during the the Obama and Bush administrations. Maybe try a traditional metal and wood with brass registration edged trysquare, I’ve had good success and they can even be tuned up some. The woodpecker mini square is great for checking chisel edge squareness, table saw 90°, plane iron mouth alignment and is very affordable at under $20, stays in apron or sharpening station, etc... well worth it. Semper Fidelis, Shannon

[@gregghernandez2714]

Thank you for your service sir. I hear you about the Woodpecker budget. There is one channel here on KZbin where the guy has the compete Woodpecker set of tools on display in the background. Must be nice. I would be scared to death to drop one.

[@revtoiletduck]

Never thought I'd be so fascinated by a 30 minute video on squares.

[@randallthomas5207]

The notch that isn’t at a 45, is to allow you to take a scribe, all the way past the edge, and then draw it back onto a piece of metal marked with machinist’s dye, and leave a good clean scribe mark. They are meant to be held with the fingers pressing the blade flat, and the thumb pushing the base onto the reference edge. In Machine work they are not graduated. You lay out the 90, then use dividers set to a rule, to mark the offset from the edge as it intersects the 90-degree line. The tool evolved into a woodworking and general marking tool with the addition of the graduations, and the notch just came along with it.

[@InspireWoodcraft]

That's interesting, thank you. I have asked this so many times and never received an answer like yours. I wish there were a video that explained this so I could understand a little bit better and pass it along to others.

[@BeeMan689]

Thank you that was very nice of you to let people know, why there was such a difference in that particular marking place.

[@brigetteanderson-atkins1128]

This is a great series. I've never put much thought into how rules that look similar can be so different. Thanks for taking your time to prepare these videos.

[@oneemcme]

Great comparison! Who knew how much I'd learn from a 30 minute review on squares? Thanks.

[@JonFordWoodworks]

Aside from maybe hand planes, measuring and layout tools are in my opinion are something you shouldn't skimp on. When I upgraded to quality measuring tools, the level of precision I can achieve increased tremendously. It also makes your woodworking so much more enjoyable, when you aren't fighting tool, guessing at measurements, and in the worse case scenario, making an inaccurate cut. Buy once - cry once I say! I always appreciate your content - great work!

[@joebenedict2183]

Nice work on the comparison! It's amazing how a small detail can make such a practical difference.

[@bobesposito2204]

Thank you for this comp. I’ve been looking at the Bangood tools and wanted to see some comparisons. Keep them coming.

[@FatPickle4]

Thank you for doing this review!! I've been looking for a solid square without breaking the bank on woodpeckers

[@calebjordan4833]

Love the depth of your reviews and comparisons. Definitely videos answering the questions we're all asking!

[@colinwilson8747]

Another very helpful comparison. Thanks. I have the WoodPeckers 641 851 pack but not the Banggood T200. Instead of the T200 I bought the Bangggod T260 which is a small version of Woodpeckers T Squares. I bought it a year ago and it works well as it has the holes every 1 miilimetre. It is a one sided tool as the top surface is flat. It has white infilled mark to indicate every 10mm mark ( or 1 cm) . The T260 came packed in a cardboard box with cardboard insert to keep the tool stable during posting, so OK on that score. At that time Banggood did not have a version of WoodPeckers Precision T Square (which I would love to own but cost of postage to Australia is as much as the tool itself.) The have only recently made Drillpro 300/400/500/600mm Woodworking Line Scriber T-type Ruler 1mm Hole which is a very good product. Hope you do a comparison of it to the WoodPeckers Preciosn T Square if you have both. If Banggood is willing to send a T200 to one of your subscribers and no one in USA is willing to use metric the cost of postage from Banggood to Australia is the same as to US - approx $4

[@medhygoyer65]

Very nice comparison, I was hezitating as here in France Woodpeckers are not very popular on woodworking stores online, but your demonstration is so clear. I just put an order for the 851 square model. I'm going to look your other videos as I just discovered you. Thanks.

[@nickguinther3600]

This is a random comment. I just stumbled across this channel a couple days ago and I have been enjoying all of the videos. Keep up the good work!

[@gcranch9913]

Really enjoy your videos. I bought a saw stop after watching your video several times. The instruction you offer is first rate. Thanks

[@brianmiller6304]

I have the Woodpeckers 642 square and love it. It is 6 1/4 inches and in stainless. It has a thin blade which almost eliminates paralax and notches in the body of the blade not on the edge for a mech. pencil tip every 1/16 ". I like steel since I do a lot of marking with a knife and find it more durable than aluminum. Nice head to head, keep them coming.

[@JagoditzWoodworking]

Really appreciate your down to earth reviews without pushing any of the items. Been a subscriber for awhile but will continue to look forward to videos like these!

[@jeffwithhart]

I appreciate the actual comparison of the tools. Like you said many people say one is just as good as the other but they have never used the other one.

[@CharlesHartman]

Thank you for this and all the reviews you've been performing. I'm looking at stepping up my accuracy and this has been very helpful in having a better understanding about what to look for.

[@poppamad979]

Greatly appreciate the comparisons. I, like most folks, don't like to spend more than I have to on a tool, but have a hard time supporting Chinese tools that clearly copy the design of the Woodpeckers tools and then sell them for less. They do everything to make it look like a Woodpeckers tool. Using their design and then knocking off to create a cheaper option. For me, I will save my money and support the American company.

[@kencoleman7762]

Thanks for another excellent and useful comparison. I love Woodpeckers' tools and have many but there is no denying that they are expensive. Also, I have never had a Woodpeckers tool fail to deliver as designed. I also have several Bangood tools and find them generally quite acceptable but without the exquisite WP finish.

[@joshthomas3788]

Thanks for making your videos I like the comparisons and your simplicity in woodworking. I struggled for a while making a good spline jig and you solved that problem with a simple solution. So thanks.

[@johndesormier8099]

Thanks for the comparison. The reviews on Hooked on Wood make the banggood tools very tempting. Your side by side review was a huge benefit in determining relative values and features of both items

[@DaBulzRock]

I am a beginner wood worker and love these videos keep them coming

[@levstein]

I always like seeing tool comparisons! Well done.

[@omarcamacho9085]

I will love to have one myself I'm a newbie in the world of wood working...and we your video I'm learning a lot about good products and not good products...thanks for your time and effort....

[@troyshaner4118]

I've had sticker shock looking at Woodpecker, as well. Thanks for the comparison.

[@phillipsanders576]

I’m from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 and I love all your videos.. thank you very much.

[@themartinfamily01]

Thanks for doing these videos. I don't mind the length at all. Great information!

[@barryallin8161]

"Hooked on Wood" has a series of videos called "China Tools" where he reviews and compares Bangood tools - some surprsing results...

[@Dickie2702]

Very good series. Worth watching.

[@lonniec2116]

Isn't he also sponsored by them?

[@barryallin8161]

@@lonniec2116 Apparently not.

[@sanderheijkamp1587]

The 45 degree is probably used when working with a cirkel in order to find the middlle of the cirkel.

[@ArthriticThumb]

Great video I have been looking for tools in metric. I have never been able to add fractions. At 49 I learned how easy the metric system is to use.

[@johnnypep8141]

I am 62 and have been using my dad's engineering square for decades. I have an emotional bond with it. Unfortunately, we are both aging. My eyes are getting worse and the scale on the square is so worn that it darn near invisible...or is it? Thanks for all your videos. I learn something new every time.

[@MtnBike60532]

I just got serious with the woodworking hobby with COVID. Woodpecker is not yet in the budget. Thanks for helping me figure out what IS in the budget!

[@SeanPCowan]

Thanks for being so thorough in the comparisons.

[@johnk6352]

Jodee, another great comparison. Clearly, unless you get the BangGood for free, it's Woodpeckers all the way. I'm still using my grandfather's engineering square and it has served me well for years. However, watching this series might make me break out my First Communion money and buy a new one. Thanks for what you do. Best, John

[@TBD1124]

Thank you for the review of the T-200. It helps when the pros give advice when shelling out money for tools. Looking forward to more of your videos.

[@scottallen606]

Loving these comparison videos. Actually comparing side to side! Thanks for all you do.

[@chefspenser1480]

Sinple, articulate well explained and no stupid music/sound effects. thanks

[@makermark67]

Love the tool reviews. Great content, Jodee. But will also love it when you get back to some builds. Keep doing what you do! Let me say it again, love the series on comparing like tools.

[@desertman3]

I just starting to build my tool inventory as I am new to woodworking. After reviewing one of your other videos about big box store tools and their accuracy I checked my combination square. It was not accurate. Therefore I have decided to use your channel and the comments associated with it as my go to review site prior to tool purchases. Thanks Jodie keep up the good work.

[@Rob-Hannon]

I very much appreciate side by side comparison videos.

[@andrewk140]

great seeing them all side by side, always enjoy the videos.. great detail and info.

[@jrworthy]

Thanks for this comparison video. As a beginning woodworker, I would prefer to buy quality once but sometimes the budget doesn't always allow for that. Learning about "budget" options and brands is extremely helpful.

[@jessebaird1900]

Thanks for the info, money is tight and im a new woodworker so videos like this help tremendously. So thank you

[@tomhargreaves8820]

I love these videos! I'm an information junkie, but also as an engineer I want specific details -- such a how well the tool slides. I'm so new to this woodworking thing, and have purchased too many tools that look and sound good, but turn out to be trash. I might eventually be able to justify a single Woodpeckers tool, but until then I now know what to look for when I get something new. It's a good thing The Big Online Store is so good about returns because these days so much of what they "feature" is crap, their descriptions pretty worthless, and the ratings untrustworthy. We have a Woodcraft store here and they are pretty good but going out to the store is, well, these days, going out, and I try to limit that. Great work! Oh, and I don't mind the length; I watch most everything at 1.5 speed anyway and that cuts running times down.

[@Madmoody21]

Tip with respect to squares materials make a huge difference. Wood working requires at least one good traditional plain accurate tri square with a hardened and tempered steel blade. Look at say an old Stanley 14" tri-square are pretty nice for allot of overall carpentry reasons. The classics become classics for reasons that most users never know or notice. I am a retired carpenter. Worked professionally and successfully as door drawer and panel maker. Full furniture restoration refinisher and manufacture in artisanal small shop. Then single-family home building all aspects of skilled labor carpentry based.

[@gregtiwald]

The bit about parallax was super informative

[@granttyler1254]

Thanks for the great content. I think it’s great to have open dialogues like this.

[@dubiloo734]

Thank you for all your videos, you have a gift for teaching.

[@michellegatz7077]

Awesome video I argue with my husband that cheaper doesn’t mean same quality. Now I can really talk smart!! Thank you for the video

[@mikecarlson4751]

thanks for the direct comparisons; I'm trying to do an upgrade of my tools after way more years than I should have waited, and while I definitely appreciate tools like Woodpecker's, etc., I certainly don't have the budget to upgrade everything with tools at that premium price-point.

[@charlesdabb1821]

I have the 851 and love it. I've also bought tools from banggood.com and have been happy with them. I don't know if you're familiar with it but there's a KZbin channel called China tools hosted by Dennis who reviews tools from banggood.com. He also has a site called hookedonwood.com for anyone interested. I went to banggood.com and they have an 851 listed in inch and metric.

[@lonniec2116]

How much do you have to pay US Customs to order from them?

[@eispunkt]

The holes on the TS-200 are tapered on both sides making it hard to use them for exact marking as you have to hold you pencil perpendicular.

[@99trampis]

Thanks for these great comparison videos! I'm a mechanic by trade and hobbyist/DIYer with woodworking. So my mechanic brain thinks Snap-On tools. You get what you pay for. Woodpeckers are expensive tools too and I find myself purchasing their tools when it's something that I'll be using a lot. For the things that are once in a while, I'm more prone to go with a less expensive brand. Keep up the great videos!

[@grahameviner2835]

Glad you filmed it 4 times, I missed the first 3, awesome vid very well presented, half way through the vid I knew which one i`m saving for, love the 8ths of a millimetre at 22.07

[@roll_tideroll5205]

Even as a “weekend warrior” I’d love to have the budget for those woodpeckers lol but I make do with the big box store speed squares...keep up the great work with your content!

[@jgetscensored7837]

Same. I have learned how to clone tools though. It’s kind of a fun hobby to do between projects. I borrowed a friends high end tri square and made a clone out of oak. It is JUST as square as the original tool. Besides the time I spend sanding and finishing, it was free. I had scrap wood laying around. But on a side by side test, I get the same results. I might not have a ruler on it (yet) and it might not be AS user friendly. And I’m sure as it ages it will warp or wear. That’s okay. At that time, my wood working skills will have increased to the point that I’ll buy a nice one.

[@jamesstewart4211]

Take a look at the pec blems u can slowly make a set piece by piece n their highly accurate

[@jumbocaso]

Good analysis. Very thoughtful on all elements beyond a Tri-Square being absolutely square.

[@Luxsphinx]

Glad to see you giving a comparison review. I had seen people mention the DrillPro ones and was curious if they live up to standards.

[@89sisa]

Thank you for comparing these two. Very helpful.

[@kamleo1685]

Thanks for an interesting and informative video. Your trick of flipping the Drillpro square to make a line from the inside edge of the square works only if both edges of the wood are parallel. Of course, you know that and in your rush to get the video out omitted mentioning that requirement.

[@craigmonteforte1478]

Good fair reviews thanks for ding it I’m a retired professional woodworker with over 30 years professional and 35 years as a hobby unfortunately I was forced to retire early due to a traumatic brain Injury that paralyzed parts of my left side of my body always liked Woodpeckers quality but now on disability I have to really look for the better deals something kind of new to me I have some very old Machinist squares that were my Grandfathers I love using along with some other cool tools of his like his drafting set

[@stefaneriksson9634]

I really appreciate the work and details you put into these videos! A guess on the inconsistency you get when checking for square is that i think it comes from your lead wearing down and changing shape as you draw the second line holding the pencil at a different angle and being rotated differently. As you points out later in the video those graduations are quite aggresive on the lead. Try using a marking knife instead and se if you get better consistency.

[@InspireWoodcraft]

I forgot to mention that I checked it with a knife prior, and still found inconsistencies. Thanks for adding this though. Trying to get a marking knife line to show on camera is a very daunting task!

[@ksuquix]

@@InspireWoodcraft Hold your pencil completely vertical to eliminate this problem. Nice drafting pencils like you are using are designed to use this way (unless the blade on the square is too thick for the length of the lead barrel).

[@rfguy8499]

Thorough video on these squares. Woodpeckers is expensive, but it is worth every penny for some of their tools. I don't have the 851, but I have the 1281 and love it. May just be personal preference though.

[@libertyfractional]

Thoroughly enjoy/appreciate your reviews.

[@The42Joker]

Thank you for the honest and impartial comparison!

[@theeggman1341]

I bought one of these from AliExpress. Mine also had a defect on the back of it in roughly the same place. Except mine had a large lump from the casting. Which probably explains why yours had a grind mark. I raised a complaint. They decided that it only effected 50% of it’s usage. So they refunded my 50% of the purchase price. So I cannot use it to measure inside angles. Mine also is not square. My advice would be to not buy the T200 square.

[@wttdashb2]

Another great video. This is exactly what we needed to see.

[@VerticeTreinamentos]

Nice video!! One question: in 17:21, arent you using T-200 flipped? I think mark from this roles are for other side.

[@williamleduna3540]

I like your videos on using precise tools. I am already imprecise so this is helping to correct me. Thanks.

[@iLykeCahrs]

Thanks for being humble. Not enough of it on the internet

[@alanmcwilliams4264]

Looking forward to your next review on these tools

[@jessesmith6497]

Thanks for such a detailed comparison. One day I hope to own some Woodpeckers tools but even the lower cost option is far better than what I have been using. The lip that keeps it flat on the work piece is so simple yet would be unbelievably helpful! Looking forward to the next comparison!

[@johnharrison8807]

Really enjoying your tool comparisons and am becoming aware of the benefits of purchasing good measuring tools regardless of higher cost.

[@bluewanderer9903]

My only problem with banggood is packaging. I recently got 10 items, they get shipped separately 1 or 2 items per shipment and that is fine. Some tools have their own hdpe box which is fine, some come in cardboard box ( precission 90 and 45 certified machining squares etc) which is also fine, however, some other stuff only came in its original moulded plastic packaging wraped only in banggood bag. Those items were stainless steel rulers, those bendy ones with pencil holes in them - t ruler/square 400m was fine and I love it, use it for architectural drawing and its much nicer than any t square I have used so far. The other one was 90° 180mm line ruler, pencil holes etc, that thing was apsolutely destroyed, plastic packaging has white lines where it was bent, 90° ruler completely destroyed and corner bent in and I cant set it back into shape, I can only imagine the torture it received in delivery vans trucks etc. Now the only thing protecting that packaging was banggood bag, and that isnt normal to me considering the means if transport. I would gladly pay that bit extra for cardboard box, there is nothing worse than sending stuff back.

[@christopherg6826]

Have some clamping squares from drillpro that are dead square and came flawless in fit and finish. Love your videos!

[@jimstewart1044]

Really great review. I appreciate how subjective you are in your approach.

[@kdill7021]

I had never heard of Banggood so I checked it out. Like you I am always looking for good tools no matter the maker.

[@rodpotts2666]

Your doing a great job my man. Keep putting them out. That empire screwed me just the other day thinking that was a 45.

[@jabritton]

I am loving these product reviews. Thank you.

[@skyehagen5521]

Thanks for the info, very informative. This gives me a lot to think about. I still use framing squares for the most part, and have been looking to upgrade. I wasn't even thinking about half the stuff you mentioned.

[@michaeldoherty6170]

Good to see your back, good information

[@charlesbeasley9317]

Thanks for the reviews. I'm currently waiting on my stainless try square from woodpeckers.

[@jimschmidt1995]

Love these comparisons.

[@iakkatz128]

I inherited a machinist square from my dad along with other layout tools. Forty years later they still do just fine. For me woodworking is a hobby and while I can justify the expense of specialized power tools. I am getting older and some hand tools harder to use. Upper end layout tools not so much as what I have will do even if its take a little longer to get there.

[@ricdonato4328]

Excellent explanation. Very much appreciate all your efforts, thank you.

[@bobjons7]

My shop is in the primer stage...I have a lot of tools but not a square as of yet. I am excited to get my new shop done and wood working tools in. Some are in my living room...lol. Boss says hurry up😂. Great video and comparison.

[@JENewport]

I like these comparison videos. Thanks.

[@JamesBooker82]

Thanks for the review. Do you use the 851 and 641 enough independently to need both? Is there one you see more useful or a combination of other sizes you find to be the sweet spot?

[@tomvetterani9653]

Thanks for the comparison. I love woodpecker tools too. But I'm in the same camp as the gentleman who commented below. Retired, and working to expand my skills. I'm always very interested in what Woodpecker comes out with, but have sticker shock when i scroll down to see the price. I'm sure you get what you pay for, but I'm always hoping to get somewhere close to them at a significantly lower price. Igauging is a great example of solid tools at a fair price. Keep up the good work.

[@zanamcom]

Great information again ! Thanks for the giveaways! Good luck with the channel

[@kevinintheusa8984]

I have looked at Banggood but not pulled the trigger yet. I may do so now. Thanks for the review.

[@lonniehester3041]

Great work, I'm building your box joint jig for some pantry pull-out shelves. The T200 looks sweet.

[@bobhinden7813]

Nice video. Hard to tell exactly from watching the video, but my take on the square tests you did, none of the T-200 tests were square, while the 851 was. If the T-200 isn't square, there is no point in saving money. I agree about the parallax issues, that is why I prefer the Woodpecker Stainless squares, like the 641. The blade is much thinner (plus it also has cutouts for marking dimensions).

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic review and comparison, dude! 😊 The Drillpro stuff from Banggood are the most expensive items that fit my budget... And I have a few of them and they work great. 😊 Woodpeckers, here in Brazil, is about 10x more expensive than on the US... So... 😕 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@mikesgarage5066]

I love these videos. I have the 641/851 set and love it. Had never heard of banggood before today.

[@CalvinJ82]

I've used crap and quality tools. Middle of the road seems best to avoid overpaying while getting a tool that functions properly. Personal preference certainly plays on any tool use, but i try to replace any tool that creates mistakes that are clearly not operator error. Simple like you said, if it gets the job done, it's great. If it is inconsistent, it's gotta be replaced/upgraded.

[@PoweredByHotshot]

Very nice comparison video. Really been on the fence about bang good but might have to give a few of their products a try.

[@peterhelto8488]

Great video. Love these comparisons

[@kevinshea4353]

Great review!! I was leaning towards the Banngood product because they get some high marks from Dennis at Hooked on Wood and the Woodpeckers are so costly. Based on your review I think I will save up for the Woodpeckers. You pointed out several facts that changed my mind. Thanks!!

[@christopherjones7653]

Like the commentary...I am in the market for a square as I'm new to woodworking, but watch numerous channels.