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[@JackgarPrime]

The classic moment from Cathy's Curse summarizes this game pefectly: "Your mother's a bitch."

[@thirdeye9698]

6:47 after Bahamut, it feels like the game is literally saying, “you can’t kill slavery overnight, but you can at least kill your slave master!” And I kinda fuck with that XD

[@Xenmaru00]

fucking yes. 100% agreed.

[@arthurgomes5188]

To me, the post Bahamut portion of the game feels like "let's go on a tour through the continent so we can learn how much of a bunch of losers the leftover bad guys are". Wich i honestly really like, there's a ongoing theme on this Final Fantasy of "all of the bad guys are kinda pathetic under the surface". - Benedicta was a emotional wreck. - Kupka was a simp. - The mother was shallow, full of prejudice and was only able to acomplish 90% of what she did because she was born in the right place. So honestly the fact that the "masterminds" behind most of the issues in the story ("momma's boy" Barnabas and "i suck at my job and it's YOUR fault" Ultima) are just super powered losers helps keep that theme going.

[@Xenmaru00]

@@arthurgomes5188 The best part of Kupka is that literally because he knew *nothing* of Cid's and Benedicta's history, he was so easily tricked into believing Cid would defile her corpse like that. He knew of Cid. he knew Cid had History with Her. he didnt even begin to question "wait why would That Guy suddenly not only kill Her but ALSO send *me* her head?". like shit man. If he'd for a second stopped and went "wait...but why?" then...i'd honestly like to see that outcome. It's like...when it *wasnt* about Her, he was actually quite intelligent, or at least, not a complete moron like the people around him. but the second She was involved: RAAAAGH TITAN SMASH! BOW DOWN OVERDWELLERRRRRR!

[@Rhaethyn]

Well. Killing ultima means magic goes, too, so it's more "Y'all can't behave? Aight I'm taking away your melanin, have fun getting sunburnt, assholes"

[@coltondavis7022]

I kinda liked that they really went for it with the kill god stuff, because while killing god at the end of a jrpg might be a funny meme, it’s usually just a superpowered guy or creature, but this time it’s the straight up creator of the human species.

[@Mr.Faust3]

Joshua: no mother don’t Clive and dion: LTG noises

[@user-ko5ul7yi1x]

LTG?

[@Mr.Faust3]

@@user-ko5ul7yi1x low tier god

[@legionowl6113]

​@@user-ko5ul7yi1xLowTierGod

[@Hammerhead0276]

@@user-ko5ul7yi1x Low Tier God - the guy that says "You should kill yourself - NOW"

[@noellesato311]

Thunder and Lighting

[@RobdeliaYT]

Ultima works for me as a final villain because the entire game revolves around the theme of “people don’t give a fuck about those below them on the societal ladder.” It’s absolutely everywhere and is why Clive and Cid keep repeating their goal of wanting to make a world where people can die on their own terms instead of what their slave master/commander/emperor/god tells them to die for. So the actual creator of the land itself being just as egotistical and uncaring for others the same way Anabella is feels like a really nice bookend to the game.

[@mika9578]

It really hits in the final fight as he gets more and more divine but gets increasingly petty and pathetic to the point where at the end he's almost indistinguishable in tone to Anabella

[@Tyberes]

Woolie, it's okay. You don't need to worry about 14 for a while. You've still got a long way to go before FGC retirement.

[@Xenmaru00]

i just wanna know, why is Barny's mom SO FUCKING HOT? like when i got to that scene i'm like "Ayyo who's *this* fine ass-" "Mother..." " *AGH FOR FAAAK'S SAAAKE!* "

[@CLouDBRoS]

during that scene I was just yelling multiple times "just fucking kill her, just end it, don't let her speak". that woman just made me irrationally angry

[@alsaiduq4363]

Donald zettaflare clears, i'm afraid

[@malikbeat]

Donald's zettaflare is unironically one of most iconic moments in Square history

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

@@malikbeat Donald literally one shots one of the strongest bosses in the series. And not in the typical Disney/KH way where the opponent is left exhausted, says a few lines then fades away. No, Donald straight up vaporized them.

[@epicrunner]

And Goofy's brilliant performance

[@HHTwice]

@@malikbeatit was so stupid, KH3 was 🤮🤮🤮

[@sdbzfan1]

ZettaFlare is still one of the coolest things in this game

[@Sonicfalcon16]

and in kh

[@tylerhenderson5871]

Dion has achieved godhood, right beside Donald Duck!

[@Vanity0666]

His name is Dio+N

[@arthurgomes5188]

If i were to summarize in one sentence what the shift in the story post Bahamut fight feels like, it would have to be: "It's like if you were watching LifeTime and then someone switched the channel to Animax" Wich is not necessarily a bad thing, but, it's definetly a different tone.

[@leithaziz2716]

I feel like the point you bring up is interesting because the thought that pops up in my head is "the last portion of this game is if you switched over to Gurren Lagan, but if we were watching that we would be so hyped, so why do I feel dissapointed when we change to that direction in this game?". It might be that the player has grown comfortable with how the narrative is structured and told, and it can feel unsatisfying to suddenly switch over to something that "feels" completley different and without having the time to accept that this is where the story is heading. I feel like the point I'm trying to reach is that I would be fine with either direction if it stuck to it to the end, or at least gave enough breathing room to not mind the change.

[@Tempo621]

Ramuh's ability is 100% just the shotlock mechanic from Kingdom Hearts, and I love it for that but it does* feel really underwhelming compared to the other abilities

[@alejandroramirez7876]

I like it a lot. It's free, provides setup, and help wait out time on your cooldowns so that when you've set up your bolts you probably have some ability to pop them with.

[@rearedlogarithm]

It's great when paired with the tornado ultimate: you basically have free damage on mooks for about twenty to thirty seconds.

[@TortoiseMaximus]

it's a lot slower than shotlock and you aren't invincible while firing

[@sunkeyavad6528]

8:25 I'd say that aswell. There's different degrees of how much Ultima manipulated or even took over people. For Anabella I'd say it was either straight up nothing or barely anything. Emperor Snoof, according to Dion having been a better person in the past, probably took a bit of a push by Ultima(maybe) and definitely Anabella and beeing ultra-religious and blindly believing his astrologers, but like Dion himself said "his actions are still his own". Benedicta and Kupka were fully Ultima free aswell. Meanwhile Anabella's emperor child was fully taken over. [spoiler] Barney is another one who was heavily corrupted, but even for him it took a moment of weakness of his own initially to allow Ultima to gain that much control over him and it's not clear how much of that is even by magic and how much was just Barney becoming a normal cultist for the Ultima religion.

[@Dragonsmana]

It is revealed in the Ultimania that Sylvestre actually had a relationship with a commoner woman, who became pregnant and gave birth to Dion. Sylvestre didn't want the information getting out so he had her killed soon after birth. It is implied the only reason Dion wasn't killed was because his powers awoke soon after birth. Sylvestre was always fucking garbage and Anabella just gave him permission to stop hiding it.

[@mika9578]

I wouldnt say Kupka was Ultima free, its pretty implied that Barny and Sleipy sent him Benedikta's head and they corraled him into taking motherCrystal Meth

[@09KEVO09]

I suppose it all boils down to where you put the focus on the story. For me, the family drama was on par if not below the slavery/kill god/change the system/freedom stuff. I like the drama and the Bahamut fight was the highest point but I feel like we spent far more time dealing with the social bullshit so I was more invested.

[@floppytokey]

yeah, also, god is just another gear or chain in the system, really, so it makes sense at least theme wise.

[@aftertone3146]

@@floppytokey Gods in japanese media are representative of societal problems, corporations or the goverment anyway, it isnt really shifting focus as it is people just thinking it does. Cid himself said that theres no point in fighting for equality if the world ends

[@godsplayingfield]

i feel like up to Bahamut was Clive dealing with the human issues he has (where do i belong, my family is fcked up, i killed my brother, hot ice girl likes me and i like her, lets bone please etc) which is ALWAYS more interesting than dealing with dieific beings (which usually amounts to "MWAHAHAHHA BE MY-OWWW! you punched me in the face. dick move mortal, dick move") by the end of Bahamuts section he is basically completely finished with his personal issues (a few here and there are left but mostly finished) next is dealing with whats left of the world and murdering god and his underlings and his role as mythos. shown by the next major boss fight is far more internal ideals than anything else. i can understand why people say the game in general takes a dip in quality (lord knows the world in general does, all the akashic shit is boring a hell) but personally i find it enjoyable all the way to the end. and yes, Bahamut is BUSTED TO FCK. impulse is broken as hell if you trigger it correctly, as for megaflare.... just.... yes. annd it's Eikonic ability gigaflare is just *chefs kiss* perfect for when the bosses start their "i'ma attack you a million times now" phases.

[@floppytokey]

on the note about how you chose what abilities you have in your rotation, honestly, having just the ultimate abilities gets boring and tedious waiting for them. the combat truly shines when you change constantly your loadout and mix and match shit.

[@skieth9999]

Counter-argument: I should not have to handicap myself to make a game more fun

[@alphaamigo9688]

​@skieth9999 counter-counter -argument: I'm paying 70$ for a game that I'm gonna play for around 60ish hours, why would I choose to play it in the boring way when I could play it in the fun way.

[@NovaCascade]

One thing I also regret about this. We didn't get a Semi-Prime Dion fight. WTF! I was expecting us to be done with Bahamut and when Dion drops down, he comes in Semi-Prime even stronger that full Bahamut and fight you as A FUCKING DRAGOON. Was so disappointed we never got to fight him in that state or even see him. All we get is a 10-15 section where you dodge, do the pew pew and watch the pretty cutscenes and animations.

[@Maioly]

10:05 "literal gurren Laggan references before re-entry" says person who only watches gurren laggan

[@tostisgood]

I preferred the more grounded conflicts and politik of the pre-Ultima sections of the game. The JRPG’s I play rarely explore that to its full extent, so the difference in vibe was nice.

[@timlerch7425]

"Clive never gets to laugh, once." I think he laughed when Joshua tried treating Mid like a fair maiden.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

Another thing I wish they had done is show more of how Anabella interacts with the emperor. Both to give her more scenes (She becomes a bit too much of a background character at times for my taste.) and because it's a bit of a missing part of the story that feels skipped over.

[@TheHaloAdventureShow]

From the gospel of Future in the book of Niggalations for Anabella Rosfield "From the Streets did she emerge, and to the Streets she will return, and I say onto you-for she is for thy streets, so be not wherry when she must return from whence she came" Chapter 1 Verse 2 Ameno 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙌

[@crimsonking440]

This game wasn't the first time i cheered as an annoying child got a spear to the chest, but at least this time, i didn't have to hire a lawyer.

[@Harrison20101000]

Odin was cool, but Barnabas not so much. They could’ve had him develop his own agency and take the place of Ultima. That would’ve made a final fight against him be an actual rival fight and mean way more. Instead we got Ultima who was the least interesting antagonist

[@Rhaethyn]

Again I just wish they'd have had him murder some main or secondary characters to ACTUALLY have him "sever the bonds of friendship".

[@Dragonsmana]

@@Rhaethyn Yeah they heavily imply he is going to, but they never go through with it. Rather weird choice lol. Especially with the other implication being our bonds is what makes us humans stronger and gives us our will that Ultima is so afraid of. Still love the game and story, but there are a few spots they could of fleshed out what they had a bit better lol.

[@sketchpixels6255]

5:44 My favorite type of character explaination

[@ceresbane]

To be perfectly fair to Annabelle. Her obsession with noble bloodlines has directly to do with her in her setting. It matters to her because it matters to literally EVERYONE. She is a woman in a feudal setting where a woman's greatest asset is her womb and her ability to carry on a noble and powerful bloodline. If you are raised to live for that purpose. And the child you bear ISN'T the fking pheonix when YOUR WHOLE BLOODLINE has often spawned the eikon bearer? You're gonna feel like utter crap and would want to compensate that trauma. You had 1 job from birth and you fked it. Like Joshua got it in the end. But Clive is the strong son that everyone is saying should be the true heir because Joshua dying from anime sibling disease despite being the pheonix (which actively worsens his condition). Like no shit everyone at court would be talking mad crap towards her. From a simplified perspective. She birthed a failure and then a weakling. None of the commoners give a crap. But the only people she interacts with cares and they've bothered her about for years.

[@tylerhenderson5871]

To be unfair to Annnabelle, she relished in being a vile piece of crap. Clive didn't decided to be born without the Phoenix, and dialogue in the prologue implies he sought to be strong both for Joshua's sake and to try and prove his worth to his Mother. Joshua also didn't choose to be born frail, and does his best to help out. No matter what sort of pressures she may have been under, the way she treated here family is not justified. Her massive hate-boner for the Bearers and actions taken against them speaks for itself.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

@@tylerhenderson5871 Explanations vs justifications. One can understand the mechanism of how she came about without it being an excuse for the actions. Just like how irl "oh sad stories" should not matter for criminals in court irl. Almost everybody has one and yes monsters are almost always previous victims themselves. Lots of statistics and studies about in psychology and criminology, like violent criminals coming almost exclusively from either neglectful or abusive households and never from a loving 2 parent household. You can be both a monster that needs to be dealt with and a past victim. The vast majority of monsters are.

[@tylerhenderson5871]

​@@sunkeyavad6528 I know the difference between Explanation and Justification. The problem with Annabelle is that her Explanation isn't reflected anywhere else in the games lore beyond her own obsession with blood lines, to my recollection. Other then Dion, Clive, and Joshua; none of the other Dominants come from Noble bloodlines. Dion isn't even completely of noble stock, since his mother was a commoner. The Eikons themselves seem to just pop up based on some unknown criteria. While Annabelle's family may have a odd frequency of producing children with the Phoenix, that only really implies correlation, not causation. As far as anyone is aware, the Phoenix simply chooses members of the Rosarian Ducal family to be born into, and Annabelle's family just has the highest number of marriages with the Ducal family. Unfortunately, due to how little we get with Sylvestre, we have no idea what his reasoning for marrying Annabelle was. He seemed to have no particular interest in the whole bloodlines thing, considering he didn't even think of making Olivier his heir until after Annabelle started scheming against Dion for being low-born by her definition. She may have just simply charmed her way into his Court and eventually into being his Empress. From my point of view, Annabelle's victim status rest solely on her own claims. Considering her actions and behaviors, I am primed to distrust her account without further support from the rest of the story. (Apologies for the later edit, but it just occurred to me that Annabelle's reasons were given as a result of Clive demanding to know why she betrayed them. So within this context Annabelle is both explaining and attempting to justify her actions.)

[@bw6188]

I feel like woolie would like the trails series. Not really any gods to kill, just humans being shitty, but with cool god-like toys.

[@LittleCthulhuOne]

Was kind of sad they lamed it out of not directly killing her. the whole game since the demo i was looking out to be able to stab her on the gut and be like "its done, evil defeated" or Josh to just burn her like any regular guard.

[@TheLordMagmar]

I think the people who say Ultima is a change in themes are wrong, personally. He's representative of the prior themes by giving them a punchable face. Sure, the political side falls away a bit, but the themes and reasons behind all those politics are still carried on into the Ultima stuff. They don't just go away, it isn't a shift in theme/narrative.

[@liamfoote7164]

Yeah honestly them talking about the mom and how she acted made me go yeah that sounds a lot like like ultima, bad parent, just like us etc

[@theworstcatholic7247]

Spoilers obviously to the end of the game. I'll be honest my favorite parts of the game were the demo to Ifrit and then Bahamut's fight, the rest was mid. Ultima had a really, really strong start with an Eldritch horror vibe during the Typhon segment, but then the moment we learn "oh he's just the alien god of this world" it's just another generic JRPG villain. The amount of games we have from the east that is just "Ope time to kill our god!" is honestly so frequent I'm surprised when it doesn't happen. He's also incompetent for the rest of the game. Speaking of incompetence, Barnabas. He wants to be Vergil coming back a few fights, to beat us and then leave, and he wants to play Sasuke with 'cutting bonds of consciousness' but unlike the latter and former, he's absolute trash at either. He beats us, and then acts like we've had a whole chapter instead of a nap in between our first and second fight to the point the dialogue felt unfinished. He has no tension because all he never changes. The game about giant robots (armored core 6) did the theme of the story (human will's superiority) better and more subtly than this game. It's felt like a complete gotcha because the tone of that demo and the rest of the game are two completely different stories. From a more high fantasy GoT to basis b**** JRPG and slave bad story, like no crap who would of ever thought, and they never go deeper either. I'm not sure how they managed to make me care so much in so little time about the characters in the duchy and failed so miserably at making me care about the characters other than Cid after it when they had a whole game for it. Gameplay's great, first few hours are stellar. But after that the story just drops to hardcore mid. It's fantastic popcorn time though.

[@Renoistic]

My biggest issue with the game is that you just don't get enough time with the main characters that aren't Clive. Made me care less about them than other FF characters. Funnily enough I cared more about some side-and-sidequest characters.

[@whyitsfun]

Right? Like Active Time Lore is a brilliant idea but my main use for it was checking to see if Jill was still in the room every time the writers forgot.

[@LordlyWeeb]

Yup. I like Clive, but I genuinely think he gets TOO much screentime.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

Very true. It really doesn't feel like you have a party at all. It's more like Clive picking up a temporary NPC escort that fights from time to time.

[@skieth9999]

@@sunkeyavad6528 You don't have a party, that's why it doesn't feel like you have a party. It's even weirder considering only Torgal has a stats page and it's not like you even have any control in how he progresses. The entire RPG side of this game should have gone, there is functionally no reason to have equipment, stats or crafting.

[@LordDrakath]

Did you d the last set of side quests that are literally there for that reason?

[@Some__Guy]

Ironically, that S rank boss that I think he was talking about (the one that has the highest level, not the last one you unlock) wasn't that hard for me. I did have to use a lot of potions near the beginning, but the patterns weren't that hard to dodge after I learned them. They just hit really. REALLY hard.

[@leithaziz2716]

Final Fantasy 16 has the same problem that I personally have with Dark Souls 1, where at a certain point in the game I feel like putting the game down because I don't feel interested in any thing that comes afterwards. With Dark Souls 1 it was mostly because I felt the game peaked too early (Anor Londo) and every area afterwards had lots of problems and signs of being rushed that stopped me from enjoying it in any major capacity. With FF16, it was because every plot-thread I was engaged in either stopped being the focus, or concluded abruptly. I already felt cracks after the Titan fight, but everything after Bahamut was the point I lost interest completely.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

There is one big criticism I do have about the Anabella storyline ending, which is that at her final moment there is a taste of undue forgiveness by the MCs when they do try to stop her from blading herself / seem sad about it. That should not be there or only very subtle by only Joshua. Clive & Jill should have either a "don't care" or "good riddance" vibe.

[@sodathejunker]

I will say, 100% completing FFXVI is an absolute joy. When the main story starts to get to its lofty and ambitious apex, the stories told in the side quests start getting really strong and have some great emotional payout. And when you really fill out the whole world’s story, the final payout for the game is REAL strong.

[@floppytokey]

ah man, im really hoping Woolie doesn't get turned off by the focus into the next layer of the story themes. because i've seen a lot of people say this is the point when the "kingdom hearts bullshit" starts, but really, it's just the scalation of the themes. also, someone please tell him to skip most sidequest other than the ones at the end. there has to be a curated list of worthy sidequests by now, right?

[@sdbzfan1]

Those people remind me why i hate some square enix fans, whenever its shit they dont like its "kh bullshit" when its square bullshit, your magic company didnt become shit because of one dude, those people have nothing intellegent to say and just repeat things they dont understand to seem smart, Nomura isnt even part of this game how the hell is this kh shit

[@Dragonsmana]

@@sdbzfan1 Because its easier to blindly blame some boogeyman than actually look at the media in question with any sort of actual literacy. Like, I will die on this hill that KH isn't really a convoluted plot hole story as most people make it out to be, and it is more *complex* with characters having their own thoughts and agendas interweaving with each other as a cast this large would. But instead, since KH is a long running story, people resort to just quick memes because that is the maximum length of their attention span.

[@Vanity0666]

@@sdbzfan1 nier and drakengard are also Kingdom Hearts

[@Vanity0666]

@@Dragonsmana it's extremely simple in terms of plot but the worldbuilding and setting are far more complicated than the vast majority of fictional works and there are many questions left unanswered about how things work logically. Every KH game has the same story and plot beats, thanks to Sora literally having amnesia and zero memories every time he gets a game

[@magickoopa24]

Mid as a name becoming funnier in recent years is great when you realize its a name for Cid's kid in FFV, meaning several individuals are Mid. Cid's kid from 5? Mid. The one they gave 4's Cid in after years? Mid. Balthier from 12? Middle name's Mi(e)d. 14 sorta subverts it with Cid's father Midas, but boy is that guy MID-AS HELL!

[@Vanity0666]

This is Celes erasure

[@magickoopa24]

@@Vanity0666 if celes ever got a middle name, I gaurantee you it'd be mid. Especially if it was Mid!

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

i hated this way of using the word before and this somehow doubled my hate. at least you're funny with it. most people, not so much.

[@DeepestDankest]

The Bahamut fight marks the end of the "political" side of FFXVI now that Storm's Mothercrystals are all gone and the continent falls into turmoil afterwards. Barnabas has to take up his new seat as the big threat behind most of the events of the game alongside Ultima but he definitely could have been built up more before you end up fighting and losing to him two times in a row and then trouncing him an hour later. It's a rough transition to say the least. To make matters worse, the "rival duel" thing the game wants you to feel doesn't land too well, especially with the constant cinematic breaks in the fight

[@dootdootington386]

Wife and I felt the same. He definetly had the most disappointing Eikon fight. Like. I was getting ready for some cool duel, but nope. Just a quick event then the fight was wrapped up.

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

Barnabas and Ultima are easily the worst parts of the game's narrative

[@leithaziz2716]

I've watched the game twice and I admit I still don't understand Barnabas' character, like...at all. It feels like the devs wanted to build a personal conflict between him and Clive, for him to be the "Vergil" of the game, but I feel like we're missing an hour of screentime between them in order properly set things up. Ultima isn't much better, and depending on how you look at things, he might be worse in these sense that his character, while mostly making sense compared to Barnabas', comes off as very bland. He has a lot in common with some other Final Fantasy villians that have simillar problems.

[@DeepestDankest]

@@dootdootington386 The game at least gives you half his lifebar to properly fight him without interruption but I think a lot of the cinematics could have been stripped out to make things feel more consistent.

[@DeepestDankest]

@@leithaziz2716 Ultima has his own problems of being that nigh untouchable entity that you're not supposed to level with at all that's endemic to FF final bosses as you say. Barnabas doesn't make a lot of sense until you dig around the in-game lore tidbits describing Ash and listening to NPC dialogue of how he basically hasn't aged in 40 years, his origins involving the Dzemekys, him being the first and only dominant of Odin, etc. But even after that he's still not that well presented and I think this could really have been improved if they just spaced out his three fights instead of having them literally back-to-back-to-back.

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

Once again I cannot recommend Xenogears enough. The same conversations keep getting brought up with what that game conceptually explores.

[@meadow6760]

I need my magic slave game to be goofier, where are the minigames and beach scene with Ultima drinking a margarita?

[@Dragonsmana]

Yoshida: The game is dark and influenced by Game of Thrones. Pat: More Starbucks cups though! And Clive should smile more!

[@meadow6760]

@@Dragonsmana yeah it genuinely doesn't make sense to me. I love the final fantasy series and have played a ton of it, not as much as Pat but still. I feel like the tone would've been ruined for me if one second I was dealing with the horrors of society and the next it's being silly. It worked in some of the other games but it doesn't feel like it would've in this one.

[@Dragonsmana]

​@@meadow6760 Indeed. While there are definitely moments of levity, going full goofball would just not fit at all.

[@RedNinja115]

Shit, woolie said echoed, do I take a shot? 😂

[@Tyberes]

Supposedly the guy behind the Bahamut fight was the guy behind the UCOB fight.

[@fewglow5076]

Pat and Woolie only like Annabelle cause she reaffirms how they feel about their parents

[@DuelistRL]

Armored Core when dude

[@theangriestpigeon4403]

I kind of disagree with the 'serious' tone point as, they've stated many times, they wanted to promote a game that appealed to people who prefer less anime (Though they tricked the hell outta them with the ending) I'd say the stuff with the uncle more than makes up for the dark story/tone. My man is eating and drinking everything behind the counter as you're kicking ass, that's the goofy stuff that people overlook.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

1:35 Yes. That is the exact moment where all the good parts of the game have finished (or got dropped in case of Roseria / Bearer issues). It's most ultimate disappointments with a handful of decent moments or lines inbetween from now on.

[@LordDrakath]

That's an opinion all right.

[@kurowasanabe]

Based Donald Duck.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

There could have been a great moment if she actually reacted to discovering her first two sons were alive and Dominants, but Olivier dies before she has the chance and (understandably) goes crazy. She should have been in cahoots with Ultima. I have no idea what Ultima thought of her.

[@Sir_Phobos]

I got to this point in the game and I think it was right after this when it dropped a ton of side quests and hunt board monsters as well. It was after 2 of those side quests that just made me tired and stop playing. Plan was to take a few days off from it, but it's been about 3 months.

[@skieth9999]

I've said this before but my big thing with FF16 is that it's hard to start with really grounded ideas and themes and then work your way up to more simplistic and fantastical ones. There is functionally no reason Ultima even needed to be here.

[@TheLordMagmar]

Ultima is the grounded ideas and themes given deific importance though, that's the entire deal with him. He's all the human evils you've been fighting given a punchable godlike face.

[@skieth9999]

@@TheLordMagmar Yes, I do not think slavery and discrimination needed to be given a deified face to punch. I do not think it's a very compelling plot point compared to everything that happens with Anabella, or even the broader pressure that the blight and Mother Crystals put on VAlisthea. Ultima is the least interesting part of the game, despite being the main villain

[@Tigerbro6]

bahamut is probably the most boring eikonic shift sadly. at least the gigaflare ultimate is sick as fuck though I wish it could at least do something while you're dodging

[@DeepestDankest]

Bahamut's Eikonic ability actually becomes way more accessible to use once you realize certain bosses just have that phase where you can't interrupt them but they're going to do a series of 2-4 incredibly telegraphed attacks for you dodge into and immediately get a level 4 megaflare off of. But yes, trying to use it in mob fights is inconsistent but that's what the other abilities are there to clean up with.

[@joshromero1796]

Yep it’s pretty funny how the last two Shiva and Odin are the most busted. Like damn level 5 Zantetsuken and Shivas diamond dust and dodge are so damn good never switched those two off after.

[@DeepestDankest]

@joshromero1796 It almost seems silly how all Clive needed was ice powers and losing his virginity to beat Barnabas but in reality all he needed was Shiva's Witch Time

[@joshromero1796]

@@DeepestDankestTbf Shiva’s witch time is really really good tho,losing his virginity was a just a bonus lol.

[@pilau1749]

Accountability is kryptonite to women. The best part is all Annabella had to do was NOTHING and Rosaria would have became the world's only superpower. She was absolutely right about her womb being prime real estate, she made two eikons and they also just happened to adopt another.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

this seems... uh...

[@wingdeusrex7866]

Play FF14 woolie

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Like.

[@TheAkatsukiKnightz]

Of course pat and Woolie would like the bad writing with anabele near the end. Clive literally doesn't mention anything about the black shields Maria and more and she kills herself like that out of character trash.

[@Sandberry]

"I wonder if classic FF fans like the swerve" tbh I think it just makes the game feel wishy washy. If a game wants to have a kind of story or theme it wants to develop, backing off it to be "more FF" feels like yet more hamfisted fan service of the kind CBU3 does far, far too much already. Be your GoT drama or don't, don't try to have your cake and eat it too.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

if i have a cake, im going to fucking eat it.

[@NovaCascade]

I dropped the game after the Bahamut fight. Just completely lost interest and didn't want to have another 10-15 button mashing, particle effect filled section during the spectacle of the next Eikon fight. I don't blame Woolie for losing interest. The only draws for FF16 for me were the combat and the story. Both of which leave you severely wanting more. The combat and enemy roster is lackluster and is a worst DMC and the story had tons of promise but underutilized 85% of its characters and wastes them.

[@Renoistic]

I can't play FF14 because that game just doesn't respect your time.