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[@Dantarn]

Wanda goes on a multiversal killing spree in order to save two kids she made in The Sims

[@ButcherGod]

The movie was just Wanda S2 and sold under false advertisement

[@li-limandragon9287]

I can’t believe I’ve have had watch Professor X get Professor X-ed in three movies now.

[@Horatio787]

Technically 4 if you count future sentinels in Days of Future Past.

[@wyatttingle2590]

When morbius showed up to save dr strange from walter white and said "looks like it's time to morb" and then Eminem's venom song started playing I almost morbed all over the theater

[@sphealingit222]

I'm gonna morb my fucking brains out dude

[@TrueGamer22887]

MORBINNNNNN MORBINNINNNNNN THEY DONT KNOW WHAT MORBED EM

[@trustypatches4042]

GET EM DENIM GET EM VENOM DENIM GET EM VENOMMMMMM

[@ghastlyghifin4029]

The best parts of the movie are when Sam Rami is like "Fuck the formula, I'm gonna do goofy Evil Dead horror bullshit on a Marvel budget with my buddies Bruce Campbell and Danny Elfman. Zombies! Spirits of the damned! Ooga booga!"

[@JoelBurger]

Admittedly, feel like the title set me up for more than the movie was able to deliver. Like I was expecting a tour of a bunch of different cool universes (more than just a quick montage), and not like 3 of them (with a large chunk of time spent in a world whose main divergence is that traffic lights are different and Bruce Campbell sells pizza balls).

[@ShutterSnapped]

Yeah the movie really shines when Raimi goes Raimi. In that sense it was cool seeing his horror-style blend with, for me personally, an increasingly stagnating superhero factory film production. It's that type of uniqueness and creativity that these movies need and unfortunately is the golden foil on top of the same old formula of Marvel movies underneath. For a movie called Multiverse of Madness there was very little madness and very little use of the multiverse and even less than what you would think with those two being in the same subtitle together.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@ShutterSnapped If I’d had been dozens of different universes, I bet people would just called it a mess. Best case scenario is a Everything, Everwhere All At Once type film where it’s only five or so different universes and we see brief flashes to hundreds of different universes. My problem with the film is that it should really focused on the character stuff between Strange and Wanda instead going from set piece to set piece. Other than that I liked it.

[@cincymutt]

I saw someone say they should've just had a montage scene of them hopping around universes for a bit. Story-wise, it's probably for the best they didn't do too much jumping around, but I agree it was odd that it didn't really go harder on that idea considering it's part of the draw.

[@OrangeShanker]

​@@li-limandragon9287 a lot of reviews I've seen already called it a mess with just a couple of universes

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

I wanted muppets, animation, an Earth without gravity or everything under water. I wanted nonsensical bullshit and I didn't get it.

[@hacman8732]

“I was getting some strange,” Jesus woolie is this the fucking 50s

[@renaigh]

"I understood that reference" - Captain America

[@Sagragoth]

the parts where raimi got to wild out were fun, i wish they let him off his leash more. i hear he's using this as a launchpad to pitch darkman 2, hope that works out

[@JackgarPrime]

I assume you mean 3, because there actually was a darkman 2.

[@ColtComanche]

@@JackgarPrimeLiam Neeson is interested in doing a REAL Darkman 2

[@TylerFederico]

Yeah, this film was kinda mediocre aside from the bits where they let him go full Raimi.

[@Sagragoth]

yeah i usually don't count direct to video shit so i wasn't even aware that there was a darkman 3 already either lol

[@mr.goblin6039]

I hope he gets to do Darkman again. Love that movie.

[@God_gundam36]

I wish they went to the zombie Universe because that's what I assumed zombie strange was about from the trailers But how they used and set up zombie strange was pretty fuckin cool regardless

[@Ipsenscastle]

Honestly I feel like the drive for multiversal franchise synergy blah blah robbed us of the proper Dr Strange sequel, where he's hunted by Mordo and trapped in the Nightmare Dimension. Instead we just time-skipped past that and Chiwetel Ejiofor was completely wasted. Raimi could've done so much more with that premise.

[@lordxmugen]

It wasn't a Dr.Strange film/sequel. It was a Wandavision season 2 put in theaters.

[@Ipsenscastle]

@@lordxmugen That's more or less my point really - it elbowed out the Villain-Mordo sequel I wanted. I'd be surprised if they came back to it now, having hand-waved their story away as something that happened between movies.

[@mattaardsma8245]

Bring back a character you never though would come back, then kill that character super hard.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’ve seen my poor boi Charles get murked in three different movies now. It’s unfair. Blackbolt I can live without, but Professor Larry is precious.

[@wdcain1]

I liked how comic accurate Blackbolt looked. He was like a high-quality cosplayer and I loved it.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Also Anson Mount got to do the character justice after that shitshow Inhumans series. People who call the recent Marvel movies trash don’t even know what trash really is.

[@Roronoa2zoro]

@@li-limandragon9287 Cast your vote. Which was worse? Inhumans, or Runaways. 'Cause I'd argue those two are the absolute pits of what Marvel's put on offer.

[@TrueGamer22887]

@@li-limandragon9287 do blackbolt justice? But blackbolt sucks

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@TrueGamer22887 You’re telling me a man who can beat the shit of Hulk and atomise a person with a whisper sucks? That takes away respect from your opinion.

[@ShadowErus]

@@li-limandragon9287 i could beat him

[@majdjinn5042]

...do you think Raimi had carte blanche? He flat out said "it's hard making a movie without knowing the ending"

[@SDM-Zone]

Unironically a plot that could have been solved by the knowledge of sex and where babies come from.

[@Damar158]

Wanda didn't want random babies. She want those specific two babies that she already had in WandaVision and she wants them back and knows they exist somewhere in the Multiverse.

[@majdjinn5042]

@@Damar158 Those weren't babies weren't real.

[@JoelBurger]

@@majdjinn5042 But she found out there are universes where they are real. Hence wanting these specific babies.

[@majdjinn5042]

@@JoelBurger She knows they were fake, she knew they were fake. And really thinking about it who kids are those? They are Wanda and who's? ...so let's put a pin in that, retardation for a second. WandaVision was about her wanting Vision back and vision is effectively back, where is vision? Why does she no longer care about Vision who she was willing to do that kind of extreme for, and the kids would just be an extension of that love for him.

[@that1dood860]

@@JoelBurger doesn't matter. She'd be stealing those children from the actual Wanda who had them.

[@juice6521]

Yeah the movie might have been average to medicore but the scene where (spoilers)... He turns into a zombie, proceeds to dominate the souls of the damned, turns them into a cloak and then when the Scarlet Wotch blasts him with magic the chattering demon skulls on the cloak suck up the magic was the most metal shit I've ever seen in a movie.

[@amysel]

Gotta be honest when he turns into a vampire and starts morbing out its the hypest shit ever

[@juice6521]

@@amysel It truly was morbin' time.

[@metalguntalk2365]

If by average to mediocre you mean the best mcu movie, I agree.

[@juice6521]

@@metalguntalk2365 I don't know, the pacing was all over the place and we didn't really get to see "The Multiverse of Madness" it felt more like a collection of cool and interesting scenes stitched together. I don't think it stands up to some of the A+ movies like Winter Soldier.

[@jjj7790]

@@metalguntalk2365 I actually hard agree, but to give context, I'm at the point of my MCU experience where a 8.0-on-imdb "good" superhero movies with morals and emotional cores are boring as hell. Seeing weird sadistic over-the-top 90s comic book bullshit is way more interesting to me. If Morbius was like the memes but competent, just a wacky over-the-top R-rated film about some guy morbin' out, I would probably be really into it at this point, honestly. I just want more movies do crazy shit and be hard for everyone to like.

[@crumdogy]

I couldn’t go 20 seconds in this movie without my suspension of disbelief being broken. Every character is an idiot and Wanda has seemingly no rules to her powers.

[@blakecrawford-3204]

And all the Excuses in the World for Wanda. Remember if We ALL Die Wanda is sad over Her Fake Summon Children she Tortured.

[@shinrahunter]

What do you know of Scarlet Witch? Her powers are near limitless.

[@crumdogy]

@@shinrahunter I’m fine with her being powerful but this movie doesn’t know how to handle that. Sometimes she’s slowed down by a door being closed on her or by someone she should instantly outclass like Captain Carter, other times she can teleport, disintegrate sling rings at range, and make people’s mouths disappear. We don’t know her limits because the writers don’t want restrictions that make their jobs harder.

[@BubblyBoar]

@@shinrahunter So powerful she made Captain Marvel lethally weak to stone statues somehow.

[@As_Expected_of_Pieck]

Blackagar Boltagon.

[@sphealingit222]

Minor spoiler for Multiverse So would y'all agree that America's scene where we learn her Tragic Backstory™ plays out like a fuckin Futurama bit? It doesn't hurt the movie too much but it did make me laugh, and I'm pretty sure that's not the reaction they were going for.

[@chillworksdev4145]

That scene is literally the laziest writing I have ever seen. They happen to walk past a machine that gives you a wiki page of the character's backstory with no input from any of the characters. It seems that they literally could not think of a way to get you to care about this character, so they shove it in in the most don't-care way possible.

[@jjj7790]

@@chillworksdev4145 I loved it. Dr. Strange got doxxed by a floor tile and a couple lesbians got killed by a bee. It was amazing.

[@sleepofgiants5956]

i don't get spoiler free discussions. why would someone even click on the video if they didn't see the movie already. oh woolie just mentioned it as i was typing.. uh send tweet

[@waitselljones8068]

I've clicked spoiler free discussions just to get a feel for a movie or tv show or something without having the plot spoiled.

[@MattManDX1]

This was an exerpt from a podcast where they talk about other stuff. They didn't want to spoil people tuning into the podcast who haven't seen the film yet.

[@20marvelman]

Spoilers below Loved the action and visuals, story felt rushed and kinda nowhere by the end. I liked America, but her arc was pretty predictable, same with Wanda. As soon as Strange said “what about the other you” it’s pretty clear she either dies or changes her ways, but then what’s the point of all the murder? And same with strange, we’ve seen this already with him giving up the stone, trusting other people to do it. Felt like a rehash

[@li-limandragon9287]

I totally accepted evil Wanda and her murdering because everything since Ultron has forgiven her for pulling massive amounts of evil shit. This movie finally addresses and punishes Wanda for her actions, while still keeping her sympathetic. It’s not like the comics where she has legit excuses for her mistakes even in House of M, she did pretty much everything of her own accord in the MCU. She’s the most interesting aspect of the movie. Like Strange she’s been dealt a shit card in life but unlike Strange who’s resigned to it Wanda thinks it’s unfair and tries change the universes to fit her needs. Really it think should be just about her and Strange and to be fair it is for the most part.

[@Zeronigel332]

@@li-limandragon9287 you can really tell by the end that the first half of the movie was rewritten and reshot multiple time till they finally had to rush it.

[@20marvelman]

@@li-limandragon9287 honestly I never thought of it that way. Of strange accepting his dealt hand and Wanda fighting against it

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@20marvelman It’s the real dynamic of the movie and most important. They’re both people who experienced horrific trauma as children which turned them introverted and prickly as adults, they’ve both had chances to move on their pain which Strange has managed to do whilst Wanda hasn’t. The idea of the most powerful characters in the MCU being the most fragile and broken psychology is great and while this movies has problems that central aspect is gold.

[@jjj7790]

@@li-limandragon9287 The thing that was the "oh fuck" moment for me regarding Wanda and Strange was the reveal that actually there were options besides giving Thanos the time stone that would have let them win, meaning that Strange's belief that there was no other way was wrong, and also the reminder that Strange was pretty much directly responsible for Vision getting double-killed by Thanos and indirectly responsible for Wanda's grief spiral. They mention it in the movie, but didn't really capitalize on that.

[@waitselljones8068]

"I'm pretty sure I know what the plot is" .... I don't know how much you've been spoiled Pat but.... there is a LOT about the plot that is a surprise.

[@flannelsonn8826]

Being honest and sorry if this has been said a bunch but I really feel like the podcast would thrive with the addition of a third member, especially for situations like these. Or just do a spoiler warning and just TALK about it. Pat doesn’t care about spoilers if he’s watching whole movie clips on Twitter, and even talked for a whole 30 minutes about Morbius earlier on the podcast. The difference being that one is ‘good’ while the other is super bad? I’d love to listen to 30 minutes of both but 10 minutes of dancing around eggshell hype isn’t as enjoyable. Just my take though love you guys.

[@jjj7790]

The reason they're more hesitant to spoil Doctor Strange vs Morbius is probably because Doctor Strange is still in theaters, and Morbius is not. Also because people are streaming and spoiling Morbius for fun and don't seem that interested in actually seeing it.

[@kneeofjustice9619]

That will be hard because Pat doesn’t seem to get along with anyone who isn’t Woolie.

[@realdoomerhours]

To me it felt like maybe 20% of a great Sam Raimi movie, spliced into 80% of an aggressively generic MCU movie. I think I'm just burnt out on superhero stuff at this point.

[@TheRealHoodedGeek]

I might have heard wrong, and there's no rewind in the movie theater, so maybe someone here can confirm or deny, but When Dr. Strange was talking about the Avengers to America Chavez, did he say "Several bug themed super heroes"? Because like. Even if you count Black Widow as "Bug themed" thats still only 2, and 2 is far from "several"

[@thebystander6762]

They were also probably counting Ant Man and Wasp

[@TheRealHoodedGeek]

@@thebystander6762 I completely forgot that those two exist

[@KaptinScuzgob]

the raimi bits were great, it was just bogged down by all the references they had to shoehorn in so it fit into the MCU

[@li-limandragon9287]

Was it? Apart from Illuminati stuff which was fucking awesome it was all Wanda vs Strange. Only real reference to anything else was Clea at the end. Only time I felt bogged down was talky bits with America Chavez who isn’t developed or that interesting at all.

[@zerofang009]

@@li-limandragon9287 isn't that kinda what they're saying? America was a side character, who should've had main character build up but was just a macguffin? It's like Wanda and Strange were having coffee at a diner and America kept banging on the window.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@zerofang009 Yeah I didn’t like America that much, but she served her purpose and was a good indicator of how far Wanda was willing to go. Bucky is just a plot device in Civil War but you accept it.

[@zerofang009]

@@li-limandragon9287 I don't know if bucky is a good comparison. He had a two movie build up before civil war. I keep hearing that America was kinda forced upon the movie and I believe it. But I guess if you're trying to get a multiverse traveling character in the MCU, you have force it in a way it makes sense. Kinda wish we explored more with a "good" Mordo and the "dangers" of a Doctor Strange.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@zerofang009 Even with two movies Bucky was still a plot device in Civil War and I don’t me wrong I like him in the movie, it was the last time he was interesting really compared to Falcon and the Winter Soldier where he’s just a punching bag. Yeah MCU Mordo definitely should’ve got explored more, Strange should really have a show allowing for this stuff to get unpacked. Glad Strange’s past got talked about, added real weight to his dynamic with Wanda.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

We’ve come a long way from them watching all the marvel movies in theaters and saying they’re good to: pat reading spoilers and talking about the movie like he’s seen it

[@doctordoom85]

The “smart” character fucking up like that is actually on brand for the comic version. Book smart does not mean one always applies it well. Hell, look at all of Peter Parker’s (and Iron Man for that matter) fuck ups not to mention his frequent issues with money despite fans coming up with tons of practical things he could do that would solve his money problems.

[@thereferencegide]

theres a reason intelligence and wisdom (or whatever they want to call it case by case) are 2 different stats in alotta rpgs

[@li-limandragon9287]

@doctordoom85 Even characters like Cap have helped cause shit like X-Men Vs Avengers. Finding a person who hasn’t fucked up in Marvel is nigh-impossible. Uncle Ben counts if you don’t consider dying a mistake.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

If there's one thing I've learned about Mister Fantastic in all the years of seeing him in movies, shows, and comics, it's that, while he is certainly smart, he is also incredibly dumb.

[@TrueGamer22887]

All the scenes of Wanda using her powers were so cool man, also the best thing about all the “morb” memes is that they were started by a tweet from a popular yu gi oh KZbinr

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

It’s not particularly wild, or out there, but punisher: the end is one of my absolute favourite what if’s

[@kingragnarok7302]

People: We are tired of the MCU formula, we want something different! *Raimi does something different* Nooooooo! This is trash, where is the build up for the next movies? That's why people's opinions are worthless (Mine included)

[@li-limandragon9287]

I just don’t get people who are like “Ehh the MCU sucks now” but are still vying for the Snyderverse where everything will Morbius level stupid.

[@joebin3106]

@@li-limandragon9287 Morbius 2: More Bussy

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Can't wait for the sequel, the morbiverse of madness. Ok Jokes aside, this was pretty bad, and I blame disney more than raimi. I think we are about done with the MCU getting good movies past no way home, if we go by all the bad ones after endgame.

[@zigmus00A]

When Michael morb showed up in the post credits scene and told Doc Strange "there is no me there's only morbiUS" the theatre started to go crazy

[@li-limandragon9287]

@Raccoon of Motivation This movie was real solid, quit smoking. And No Way Home was way more enjoyable than Endgame which was mostly about pleasing Cap fans tbh. Shang and Black Widow were decent too, although they screwed up Taskmaster.

[@GoldLight73]

For me the movie was like a 6/10. I like it, but it didn’t blow me away.

[@ricardomilos10]

God, i watched it with a friend today, it was pure sht Marvel is so dead after endgame tbh, only redeemable ones has been the spiderman ones

[@hunterlurvey698]

God damn people are coping and seething. This was a fun movie with some kick ass fight scenes. Way more brutal then what I'm use too. The story is definitely not its strongest aspect, but it was still fun to watch.

[@ButcherGod]

Or you're just a blind consumer sap... Payed to see Doctor Strange, and got fed Wanda season 2 instead, and you just clap and cheer for more when you were just sold false advertisement. Do you know what "Simping" is?

[@thereferencegide]

i would definitely say that the story is pretty rarely the best part of marvel movies overall, granted there are exceptions but i would definitely say i think the character writing, directing and action more than made up for it in this case

[@darkmariofans]

@@thereferencegide yeah not sure why people are suddenly overly critical towards the story when stories in the MCU has always been hit or miss.

[@infinite-sadness]

I saw a man’s head deflate like a basketball so i was satisfied

[@mattrossini1755]

My whole take on this movie as a whole is that if feels very "strange" to me that this movie is getting this divided reception on different aspects of the movie I didn't really expect it to generate that type of response from a movie to me was pretty good and just had a rushed plot.

[@darkmariofans]

Honestly I like when movies got mixed receptions, especially Marvel movies. It means that they're actually doing something interesting instead of being your usual cookie cutter crowdpleaser MCU movies. Personally I like it a lot, but yeah some story beats went a bit too fast.

[@mattrossini1755]

It more that I feel people more and more with these movies just over exaggerate for things for good and bad things about movies

[@hieronymus4120]

Part of it is probably due to it being a big worldbuilding movie with wide-spanning implications for the continuity as a whole. Between "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and a random Superman story, the first is bound to attract a more critical gaze.

[@mikaela5938]

the amount of coping and seething in this comment section lmao, this movie is awesome

[@thewordywarlock7159]

The thing I don't like about this movie is how fucking ubiquitous it is. Have you seen that screenshot of the showtimes for the theatre in Times Square, where it's every single screen, all day, _every 15 minutes over the course of 24 hours?_ The only reason this movie is doing so well is because Disney has a stranglehold on distributors, forcing them to show only this movie for massive stretches of time.

[@jfp4life]

And COVID, don't forget covid

[@shinrahunter]

What we're they confused about at the end of WandaVision??

[@ShayneRawls]

Funny enough this movie was edited to hell. There were MUCH MORE cameos and the people they had screen it were so stupid they couldn't follow with the extra cameos. Raimi Spider-Man was suppose to be in here and DIE. Nope

[@li-limandragon9287]

I wouldn’t been able to handle Tobey dying so I’m glad.

[@ButcherGod]

The problem with this "Movie" is it is Wanda Season 2, while lying to the audience saying its a Doctor Strange film.... This is why the MCU is DEAD.

[@lordxmugen]

im just tired of most of phase 4 and the current MCU basically relying on "Bait and Switch" and rather blatant "False Advertising" tactics when making their TV shows and Movies. Strange 2 wasnt even a sequel TO DOCTOR STRANGE! LMAO It was a sequel to Wandavision. A show about a woman who holds a town hostage because "muh feels bad!". Like the initial trailer had a Shuma Gorath looking creature (that would have been excellent main villain to go with Mordo) but NOPE, need the walking talking equivalent to the crazy cat lady but with powers that can do whatever the writer needs to do for the story (which unfortunately is also how she is in the comics and shows that feature her. shes not a very well written character). But needing every piece of Disney media to be the jumping off point to other pieces of Disney media in a cinematic universe that no one writing or directing it cares to make work is just sad. I left after Endgame and felt vindicated after the ending of No Way Home when it cemented Peter Parker as a shit human being for ignoring the very moral it was trying to teach him. But hey! whatcha gonna do when the comic the movie is based on (Brand New Day) is one of THE WORST SPIDERMAN COMICS this side of Clone Saga and made by an also shit human who ALSO cant write for shit (Joe Quesadilla).

[@544001]

IF I CARED ABOUT SPOILERS I WOULDNT BE HERE, just talk about the movie for gods sake

[@josemata7755]

anyone else felt that the CGI was the same for the last ten years? meaning not impressive

[@thereferencegide]

makes sense since since many companies hired the same CGI company for these past 10 years and theyre apparently is very keen on not making any strides or innovations in their application

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Yeah, it's really bad. Continuing the trend of Phase 4 Marvel sludge.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Look there’s no accounting for personal taste, but if you think No Way Home was sludge then I can’t take you seriously. Like if you just said “I’m sick of these fucking MCU movies” I understand and respect it. But calling it bad without any explanation is just moronic.

[@mrrdirty6198]

@@li-limandragon9287 Script is pretty bad.

[@somethingwitty3300]

@@li-limandragon9287 No Way Home is pretty fuckin bad. It just has a lot of fun fanservice and nostalgia pandering. The actual story sucks ass

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@somethingwitty3300 In what way? It’s a One More Day story done right and actually helps mentally disturbed villains instead of just butchering them like most of superhero films. I hope you’re not one of those people who believe Spider-Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man films and the Sony films have better written stories cauze that’s utter BS.

[@kakoytazabar]

I hated Dr Strange 2. I don't understand how it can be enjoyed at all, to be honest.

[@li-limandragon9287]

All the good parts like magical battles and beloved characters played by great actors returning or appearing for the first time. Also Sam Raimi getting left off the chain making this goriest MCU film by far. That’s how.

[@kakoytazabar]

@@li-limandragon9287 Guess it's just not for me.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@kakoytazabar That’s fine

[@TrueGamer22887]

Easily my favorite mcu movie and I haven’t liked one since like avengers 1. 100% was the raimi stuff for me and the fact that they actually did dumb comic book stuff for once

[@chillworksdev4145]

This movie really felt, more than any other, like an MCU product. When you watch Winter Soldier, it's connected to the MCU but it still stands on its own as an effective movie, it is a movie with some connections to others. This one really felt like it was connections first, movie second. It was made to hype up future stuff, continue past stuff, but as a two hour story to enjoy, it just felt kinda pointless for me. This movie felt like it was an obligation, and not a real story. I LOVED Wanda as a scary movie monster, that was the best part. If that was the whole thing, coulda been a unique horror experience.

[@PirateKingBoros]

DSMoM is the shittiest written movie in the mcu. Still had fun watching it tho.

[@TomboTime]

The second half of multiverse of madness is excellent. *almost* everything before that is boring

[@li-limandragon9287]

The cold open wasn’t great. The better Marvel movies start less hyperactive. At least with NWH there was an excuse since it begins immediately after Far From Home.

[@dawi4ever]

Eternals is the only phase 4 movie I didn't care for; loved Shang, NWH and this

[@li-limandragon9287]

Really loved WandaVision, easily the best MCU show. Nothing else really came close, Falcon and the Winter Soldier apart from Zemo was Eternals level dull for me.

[@AlexAndriy1995]

Man this film was garbage. Elizabeth Olsen did her best, Raimi is good director and it had good looking shots/scenes. But script was abysmal, beyond saving

[@li-limandragon9287]

Besides America being a waking Maguffin and the ending stinger being silly. I thought it was great fun, if you think this garbage I’d had think what you think a good film is. Go ahead name one.

[@AlexAndriy1995]

@@li-limandragon9287 I can name dozens, hundreds, but fine. NWH had dumb plot line with premise, but I loved everything else about it. I really don't like rest of phase 4 but there alot that I liked from first 3. With avangers, civil war, infinity war, both guardians being my favorites. From new not marvel films, I loved everything about Everything everywhere all at once. Northman was really good.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@AlexAndriy1995 NWH’s plot was fine, people just got hung up over the technicalities of the villains knowing Spidey’s identity and whether they were supposed to die. The film was a better version of One More Day, now that was garbage. Infinity War, Endgame and Civil War had similar problems to Multiverse of Madness. I don’t get why people are ragging on this film for its writing and characterisation when their gripes are evident in other MCU films. People are being too hard on this one, which I’ll admit could’ve been a bit better but definitely wasn’t bad.

[@AlexAndriy1995]

@@li-limandragon9287 if you are really curious I would recommend efap coverage. It's long and pretty well argued

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@AlexAndriy1995 Will do

[@skatmancarlos]

This movie was terrible, im glad you had fun woolie but this almost gave me a brain aneurism especially when the climax is just strange telling another character to "tatakae"

[@li-limandragon9287]

So you main problem was one cheesy moment at the end?

[@skatmancarlos]

@@li-limandragon9287 god no, this movie is full of problems, how the hell is wanda sending giant monsters that kill people is her being reasonable? When the mage lady stabs the book why didnt she free wong? She clearly knew she was going to die and decided to not free her friend and also not kill the incapacitated villian. The iluminati are worse than minority report, because they killed their doctor strange because he was a "potential threat" and are also thinking of killing this new, completly innocent strange because he """""might""""" make a bad decision When evil dr strange asks our dr strange "prove that you are me from another universe" he talks about his dead sister even thou she might not even exist in this universe/she could have died another way/she could have lived the accident AND THIS FUCKING WORKS. This movie doesnt know what its doing at any point. I Really don't like it

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@skatmancarlos I’ll answer all of them. Wanda has been unhinged since Age of Ultron and only got worse after reading the Darkhold, what she thinks reasonable obviously isn’t reasonable at all by other people’s standards. She’s being “reasonable” in the sense she made of a point of not charging in herself like a reality warping force of nature. Mage Lady stabbing the book was putting the safety of the goddamn universe about Wong’s life which was a sound choice and the Darkhold needed to be destroyed. Why risk getting herself killed by attacking Wanda (who was pretty much invincible and only died when she wanted to) or freeing Wong wasting time that could’ve been spent destroying the book. You haven’t read the comics, The Marvel Illuminati historically suck balls and are ruthless assholes, multiply every bad choice Tony made in the MCU x10 and that’s how bad the Illuminati are. Them unfairly Minority Reporting shit is totally on point. In the comics they shoot Hulk into space, brainwashed Captain America and destroyed other universes all for the sake of the “greater good”. There was always a massive chance Strange had a younger sister given they explicitly said Christine exists in every universe. No reason why Wanda should have kids in the Illuminati universe but it still was the case. It’s “narrative convenience” and for the sake of learning about Strange’s sister and it was worth it. Now, there’s stuff in this movie I won’t defend or justify. Like America Chavez being a walking Maguffin who wasn’t developed at all, the third eye stinger getting immediately downplayed by the next end credits scene and the general pacing, but otherwise I really liked it. The problems you had with it, weren’t problems at all imo.

[@skatmancarlos]

@@li-limandragon9287 so, no I haven't read the comics but im glad we agree the iluminati suck. I understand that wanda is crazy. I guess i would say that i dont like that her actions make no sense on any level and her motivation is that she wants her kids, that never existed in the first place and also she is going to get rid of herself of another timeline for those kids that shouldnt exist anyway. Also what is this crap that a person exists in every universe that is just not true and the movie proves this because wandas children NEVER EXISTED in 616. Also if there are infinite multiverses there has to be one where strange saved her sister or she didnt die or she wasnt born or it was his brother instead, that scene doesn't work. Also since when is wanda invincible? Up to this movie i though she just had her magic but now she is indestructible? What? She should be able to die by a knife to the throat, but i guess this movie gave her super soldier serum or whatever. I also want to say that i have nothing against you, and this is just friendly banter, i dont want people to think this is a heated discussion or anything.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@skatmancarlos Her children might not of existed in a technical sense but they were still hers and real enough to her and real enough for Monica to protect. Wanda is a tragic villain, her reasoning is absolutely flawed which natural for someone with a life as screwed up life as Wanda. Wanda not having actual kids in the MCU is just another case of her life being hell, had she not lost everything she in all likelihood could had Tommy and Billy naturally in the MCU like she did in the other universe. A super soldier serum doesn’t make you stab proof, only Hulk’s version made him nigh-invulnerable. Wanda however was the most powerful being in existence and survived getting slashed up by the mirror dimension. One knife from a mage wasn’t stooping her. I think you should really just read the comics, not waste time complaining to me what didn’t make sense to you.

[@minniemystic7185]

The movie was alittle too hammy for me, which was jarring when it was meshed into the mcu feel of the movie.

[@mrrdirty6198]

I don't think this movie was very good.

[@Damar158]

Still better then the last five they did, even No Way Home is trash if you already know the spoilers and hate the continued idea of Peter as not being allowed to be anything but a lonely loser.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@Damar158 No Way Home was great, literally only bad thing about it was that took place in a basement for a good chunk of the runtime. Spidey wasn’t a lonely loser by the end, he was a hero who gave up his own identity to save everything. Compared to comics where he gave up his marriage to save one old bag, its much better.

[@lordxmugen]

@@li-limandragon9287 but he didnt tell his friends and girlfriend who he was after the entire movie was about him letting his friends and loved ones in on his decision-making if it INVOLVED THEM. That was the entire moral of the story and instead Peter goes against it, making the moral and most of the scenes involving him and his friends ENTIRELY POINTLESS, which therefore makes the movie A FAILURE because the last 3rd doesnt line up with the first 2. Hell, EVERYTHING that happens in that movie is mostly deus ex machina anyway and stupid things happen to make the plot work. but thats just the level of writing MCU has at this point.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@lordxmugen *You got that completely ass backwards* the moral wasn’t about letting them in on his decision making. It was about putting other people’s needs (even villains) above your own, MJ and Ned had their lives ruined being involved with Peter, even when it wasn’t directly his fault. He let them go and live without him, giving them better lives in the process. Had Peter immediately told them who he is, it’s just bringing it back to square one where they’d get caught on the crossfire of his hero life and suffer for it. Really Peter is being a better man than fucking Steve Rogers who couldn’t let Peggy go even when she had explicitly moved on from him and had a life of her own, which he screwed with for the sake of his own happiness. Peter took responsibility for his own life and removed the weight of it from his loved ones’ shoulders it was great.

[@lordxmugen]

@@li-limandragon9287 Joe Quesadilla, is that you?

[@matthewlugo2417]

This movie is not only the worst mcu movie but the worst movie, nothing makes sense, the characters arent who they have been built up to be, the writting, the story and the magic system is bad and has no rules, the visuals are nice thats about it

[@li-limandragon9287]

Wanda has been built up to be a villain since Ultron, this isn’t like the comics where douche dad of the year Magneto forced her into shit. Wanda has done every crime of her own accord and I liked it.

[@matthewlugo2417]

@@li-limandragon9287 she started as a villain then became a hero by the end of ultron and was a hero in civil war and infinity war, what are u talking about, wanda vision was the only time she was a horrible person and a villian, and she doesnt have any consequences at all, shes not put in jail, shes not accountable for her actions.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@matthewlugo2417 She caused most of the shit in Age of Ultron by putting the idea in Tony’s head triggering the movie’s events. The damage done in that movie is 70% on her. She receives no consequences for it, also she joined Hydra willingly. In Civil War both her Cap fuck up regularly she screws up at the start (as well as Steve) getting those people killed and all she needed to do for the rest of the movie was relax in Avengers HQ and not cause trouble. But apparently being forced to stay put in a comfortable house is too much and she breaks our hurting Vision (the person who loves her and will stick up for her no matter what) in the process and outright says to him she doesn’t care what public thinks of her. She gets put in the Raft for her actions here which let’s completely honest she brought on herself, for not just putting her feet up and relaxing until the Accords blow over. She does nothing wrong in Infinity War and Endgame, but yes a is terrible if sympathetic person in WandaVision *but she was already making shitty and evil decisions* long before then. Look my point is, in the comics Wanda got forced into evil by Magneto and got manipulated by others constantly so while she isn’t innocent she isn’t evil either. In the MCU on the other hand Wanda did everything of her own accord and she’s culpable for her own choices. I think it was a interesting change and a good one.

[@brandontaylor818]

Strange was TOTAL TRASH!!!

[@zaktookthis1341]

It was okay

[@Mr_Meatbox]

Cinematography was fun

[@wielderofthetriforce1934]

Ok, Brandon

[@CaliVsAk]

Damn don't take it so personally bro

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@zaktookthis1341 Not as fun as NWH but definitely gold compared Eternals, now that was snooze fest.

[@aleksandarcuckovic7855]

Mcu consoomers on suicide watch . This movie was actual trash because it commits the cardinal sin of being mediocre, stupid and boring. Even fucking Morbius was better than this due to the memes before even going into it.

[@li-limandragon9287]

If you think this is trash, I’d really hate to see a movie you think is good. It’s might be either A Serbian Film or BVS.

[@aleksandarcuckovic7855]

@@li-limandragon9287 Every Marvel phase 4 movie has been from subpar to utterly horrible , with the exception of No way home which was helped by some serious nostalgia baiting from pre Marvel stuff. Endgame should've been the end, but instead of ending it with grace and with a bang, they've decided to keep making these Frankenstein versions of movies.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@aleksandarcuckovic7855 Oh you think it should’ve just ended at Endgame. That’s fine I totally can respect that take. Even if I disagree hard with it.

[@TrueGamer22887]

@@aleksandarcuckovic7855 no way home character assassinated almost everyone they brought back, that is an awful movie

[@aleksandarcuckovic7855]

@@TrueGamer22887 Compared to Black Widow , Morbiusverse of Madness and the dogshit Bootleg Netflix + series, No Way Home is The Schindlers list. At least they had the decency in that to finally let Spodermin be himself at the end instead of him being Ironman Junior.

[@ButcherGod]

Big Reveals? Woolie MCU is DEAD, it's on it's way out! All you say was the MANY Comic story lines they were gonna screw up to make a few more $ if they hadn't screwed everything up after Endgame. But too bad for them, they screwed the pooch with all the feminism and pushing the "New Age Comic" (comics after 2012) trash that has killed the comic industry (Don't lie to yourself believing it hasn't, comparing sales from the 90's to today, with population growth, only proves HOW TERRIBLE feminism views are to comics and the people who actual read it, rather than the liars pushing an agenda SAY they read but never bought a single issue) and now the gravy train is departing without them.

[@thereferencegide]

bruh no way home and multiverse of madness made $800 million dollars each on $200 million budgets, i wouldnt call that a damning blow to disney whether you like em or not

[@jfp4life]

Get off the internet and touch grass bro

[@li-limandragon9287]

@ButcherGod You need some fresh air man. Go to a park or something.