WOOTING RESPONDED TO THE CLOUTIFUL DRAMA...

[@_Kori]

that is certainly a thumbnail

[@hitman-u1k]

My mom was next to me and she saw the thumbnail help me

[@tylersfoot]

hiii kori

[@_Kori]

@@tylersfoot h

[@ventikoi]

BeastTrollMC unironically sounds like a fursona username it all comes together now

[@meezaton]

lmaoo

[@RainKvks]

is MrBeast a fursona username???

[@ventikoi]

@@RainKvks it sounds like one tbf

[@dtbisnthome]

some 12 y/o osu player trying to keep up with the community just had their life ruined

[@NatiiixLP]

The osu! player to full-time yiff gooner pipeline is merciless. In 2013, I watched Cookiezi a rrtyui play The Big Black, downloaded a couple of other LapFox Trax song maps, and it all went downhill from there.

[@zane6138]

definitely not part of this timeline but as a mania

[@Wuestar]

ed when oiled up stream

[@ellorito6529]

LOL

[@Tscubii]

screencapped it like that one pyro moment lmao

[@yolyfriend]

most based keyboard company

[@eren-desu]

8:05 the line is drawn here, because cloutifuls dks configuration doesn't just reverse the key behavior, it does two things during the release motion: press AND release. that's why it's 63ms. because the software stops holding it after 63ms. so it's not just his motions in reverse, but it has an additional programmed motion in it as well

[@lck0ut348]

milliseconds, not seconds

[@eren-desu]

@@lck0ut348 oh yeah mb changed it

[@datbrokkoli]

nope i think ur wrong on that. He does use a configuration that only reverses the key. You can also see Plasma saying it in his tweet at 4:22 and in the picture below He had one key normal and the other key reversed. So when he presses both, only one key activates and when he releases the other key activates. So it would be an allowed mechanic when using it on both keys, but using it on one key only lets you do the same thing as if you would bing a macro with a delay to one key. On one key he would have to change the delay based on the bpm, but having it like I explained, there is nothing you have to changed and it is actually smarter to use it like that. Hope you are able to understand my explanation.

[@floopyy_]

@@datbrokkoli he's right though, if it was just inversed you'd need to hold Z in order for it not to be pressed all the time, which cloutiful didn't do in his liveplay. It deactivates after 63ms or 42ms

[@mendokusai_931]

I also thought about it, like, if I just invert the key state it should be fine 🤔 It will be really annoying in menus and chat tho

[@mineblox667]

16:05 is where he clicks the link

[@Syndra_xD]

This is chaos~ ;w;

[@ChaosEater39]

nice

[@Syndra_xD]

@@ChaosEater39 -_-"

[@kyurenix]

chaos always good.

[@lowercase...]

im gonna touch you bro

[@user-beerus]

A great chaos

[@McSqueezy]

I checked the profile.

[@trentcard]

We know.

[@ripkoala]

based renard pfp 😌

[@zealousft]

Was it good?

[@McSqueezy]

@@zealousft Yes.

[@oobabymanoo9832]

​@@trentcardhi trent

[@generallowres4636]

One time I found a typo on wooting's official website and reported it. Within like 15 minutes they responded to me and had it fixed.

[@satanicangel6384]

Theres "beast" in his name for a reason

[@SmoreJoy]

Dude i got done so dirty with a link to my post being placed right above that

[@Halftroller]

Sorry for being silly

[@xedefer]

u got too silly this time 😔

[@sunderkeenin]

I almost want to give wooting more money for being this funny, but I already bought the more expensive version of the 80HE so I'm satisfied with that.

[@ManoThug]

wooting made me know a new person to follow 😂

[@BadWallaby]

Ok what’s wootings rank? That tweet makes it sound like they’ve been doing this for a while 😂

[@absurddive]

20:37 No Ed, they couldn't, but God could. He's disappointed.

[@OllieSKSGaming]

10:13 Using a tablet to play the game a isn't somehow a better way to execute the task? unless the creator of osu mainly intended the game to be played with a mouse or tablet.

[@charlie_ck]

The original game is even played with pen

[@floopyy_]

it's a better way and does provide an advantage, but the main point is that it doesn't provide an unfair advantage. it's like saying expensive mice should be banned and only let people play on 5 dollar office mice because the expensive ones are easier to play on

[@MidnightPausch]

@@floopyy_ literally yes.

[@Joltggs]

I would like to preface this by saying I am NOT an osu player at all. With snap tap coming out, it takes aways the skill needed for movement mechanics in games like Counterstike and Overwatch (and are allowed now), which is kinda reinventing the standard for keyboards and would be similar to when mechanical keyboards were new and membrane keyboards were the standard. From his explanation dks takes away the skill needed for some specific mechanic in osu, however DKS may seem like an unfair advantage now because only some players have access to this with their keyboards but if it became the standard and everone had started to gain access to this feature im sure it would be more balanced. By making it a bannable feature I think it just limits the next innovation in really the gaming scene.

[@dayfelin3244]

the fact that this isnt clickbait is fucking bonkers

[@neonoir__]

I kind of agree with wooting tbh, it is weird that this is considered cheating. It is different hardware that gives you an advantage, just like a drawing tablet is over a mouse. Just because the current "meta" is drawing tablet and a normal kb double tapping, shouldn't mean that anything that is found to be better or easier to use (as long as it doesn't automate things, which this doesn't) is banned. Experimentation like this should be allowed and encouraged to become the new meta. That said, if there were rules in place that apply to this, he should be punished for it, I just personally don't think this should be considered cheating. It is one keypress for one input, the way the input comes out shouldn't really matter. You should be allowed to use a keyboard, nes controller, fighting game pad, a second mouse taped to your foot, a steering wheel, literally whatever, to do your inputs.

[@dazedheart9006]

This community is beautiful…

[@tatterz__]

Thousands of players I bet use this feature thinking it was perfectly normal because your still moving your fingers to get that action

[@Flameboi900]

Very good twitter profile I approve

[@teqnify63]

Cloutiful would be a cracked gd wave player with that much control over release

[@fyve2806]

This upload speed is faster than my car

[@nocturne_4096]

ironic how furry corn guy was one of the few that didn't "dogpile"

[@dameliza6444]

little old drama

[@rarufu9297]

bruh, i feel like im being used tf

[@sparklinglatte1]

i checked... i regretted....

[@echoeee]

whats wrong with corn

[@StarComet7]

Can't you just have 0.1 mm acc on one key and 4.0 on the other and do almost the same thing legally? Or is the delay too little for streaming.

[@xblade2269]

what if there was a world where cloutiful didnt hide his DKS strategy and ended up asking the community/staff about it and it actually ends up approved? It wouldnt seem farfetched as it would ONLY seem like a problem(?) when they found out about his hold times, making it some sort of bias that its wrong like "whoa, u get good scores about some way we DIDNT know." If we knew his strat before he got accused, would it make a difference?

[@JustMatchmaking]

It would almost definitely not make a difference whether he was upfront about it or not. it is still functionally the same as a macro and is also only replicable with a very limited set of peripherals, which would make a certain level of skill blatantly pay to win because Wooting keyboards are expensive.

[@thetechnovoid]

it literally is a macro so i think itd be wrong, itd just be lying by obfuscation the macro is an exact press amount on a release, so it macros the full click

[@souland3566]

it was against tos already before they found out about it

[@goosiefel]

Or cpol puts release delay on gui

[@gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683]

Regardless of weather it is or is not cheating, it's clear the player believed his actions were cheating

[@camppillow]

Maybe it's because osu only allows universal keyboards? Wooting keyboards have an extra feature that most keyboards don't, so it's an unfair advantage for anyone who doesn't have it. Maybe that's the rule.

[@RuddPH]

pun intended.

[@kavynizde]

i dont know why noone say it. but DKS obviously do break rules because even if you consider press and release as different actions, with DKS when you release button you are not only pressing key in game, you are also releasing key you pressed before, so it is two actions, same thing when you press button, you are releasing key that was pressed by releasing button = also 2 action, so you do 4 actions when you should do only 2. Osu is not only about pressing, releasing also matters.

[@tsuhao7767]

Thanks to Ed... I knew

[@BadWallaby]

This whole situation is actually wild to me lol all of this because of a Rhythm game and a keyboard 😂

[@HatsuneAmi]

Suddenly, I respect a furry (this is not on my bucket list)

[@Halftroller]

Thank you pookie

[@Nyokota]

can this editor not post from 300 bc and be actually up to date for once holy fuck

[@userttt6318]

bro ed bro what are you doing ☠️

[@galahad1782]

I googled it.

[@kelimporta2147]

What if i'm actually into furry corn

[@Ranni.]

its all gay dont check

[@vuuxzz]

@@Ranni. what if im into that

[@LaughGreatly]

i can confirm it is all gay

[@vuuxzz]

@@LaughGreatly indeed

[@ssilvady]

okay so why did u guys check

[@Hatermo]

29 mins video?!?! I ain't watching this allat

[@InkLyned]

trust me, its worth it

[@aether64bit]

based wooting and xooty

[@Illustrious_0307]

ah yes, this happened in 1981

[@AlexEEZ]

Poor Ed

[@kyle_bearr]

love how no one asked him to look at furry porn and then he did it anyways

[@argothapro1295]

WHERE FURRY CORN I GOTTA SEE IT :3

[@ilect1690]

were never beating the allegations

[@xmno.yarmee]

what does yiff even mean

[@PotatoChips8640]

Not Xooty😭😭

[@TsukkiSenpai727]

Who let wooting cook

[@user-l6s]

I'm checking that profile :tf:

[@RomanVrTag]

man, i need the dks

[@tsu_senpai]

Nice thumbnail

[@Phantom_Shogun]

real

[@LynKazoyuu]

This was such an or stunt cause.. furry, UwU keyboard anime rhythm game

[@JerewelYT]

somebody draw his fursona

[@McSqueezy]

that actually exists already, look up "btmc furry" should be the first vid

[@nweba1]

11:45 what? that keypad was specifically made for osu, then disable it only for UwU

[@nweba1]

for another wooting product? make a system that dev can use that to prevent cheating

[@Calslock]

And yet people are using it also for other things. Removing features is not the way, it should be osu! community responsibility to detect misuses od DKS and other macro features.

[@nweba1]

@@Calslock osu community responsibility? sure, just waste your time then scraping all top plays from wooting top players and analyze it one by one

[@Calslock]

​@@nweba1 If that's what it takes, then yes, they all have to be analyzed. That's the beauty of competitive games. Something similar happened to Trackmania community, since then they automated the process and created an update with anti-cheat of sorts. In case of osu, I'm pretty sure it can be automated too, by just looking at DKS' quirks, like that singular tap into nothing after stream with odd number of circles. And yes, it is osu community responsibility. Removing features from keyboard is not the way, because while sure, you could cooperate with Wooting or other known brands, you most certainly can't with Chinese OEM manufacturers, which implement DKS too. Then cheaters will move on to those keyboards. Alienating quite a lot of your users because of one playerbase is not the way. Why would I want for my UwU or Two HE to have features removed, if I don't play osu at all? It's a specific osu problem, then osu community should take care of solving it, end of story.

[@privat12131]

it's pretty good art

[@Clone_osu1]

Can't wait for wooting uwu 🦊 edition

[@estebang4538]

Dude you took like 3 double checks on the furry p account lmao

[@Karairoo]

800bc clip

[@deffault3328]

💀

[@BorzBalint]

me starting to cheat in osu because i dont care about the ranks just about hitting the streams😂

[@Ptoki1]

If this wasn't banned beforehand and wasn't against the rules then he should not have gotten banned, just told that the rules have changed and that he can't use it anymore. It's like eating a vegetable and the next day you get 30 years in prison because that vegetable is becoming an illegal substance

[@fumui_]

I assume he wasn't banned beforehand because no one (that has the previledge to ban) noticed it yet I think cmiiw

[@fungus7382]

?

[@kauht]

Wooting overrated

[@qeqw1234]

7,272 views

[@ВладимирЗолотарев-е4ф]

BDMS

[@Fur0rem]

owo

[@dobeikwan3684]

i love how it says translate to english in which it translates to money

[@MCInferno]

e

[@szi8465]

BMC

[@axtanime2063]

😂

[@vito6707]

bmc

[@Otacanthus]

From an outsiders perspective using on release in mobas for better accuracy via in game settings, it feels like the community is just set too much on the past. I personally think keyboards being able to activate both on release and on press, even on the same key is extremely useful and a standard feature of a modern keyboard if you choose to activate the setting. It just feels like the community is set on what they know, like it's not like it takes any less skill, like so guitar/clone hero cheat when strumming up and down on the flicky thing? Moreso does a player using only 1 button play the game in a more valid way than people using 2 or 3 fingers to tap? And to the hardware aspect, it feels like it's looked down upon to use a mouse rather than having the accuracy of a drawing pad and stylus, that's a direct hardware advantage that's not in the standard feature set of a mouse. But when something becomes standard on modern keyboards then it's a problem? And it's not even a macro, you could literally just have a switch or a button that just activates on press and on release, you're still the one playing. If you want things in a specific way for a competitive thing, make it the rules. But it would be like "Hardware advantages are banned (EXCEPT ALL THESE HARDWARE ADVANTAGES)" And then what do you do in 30 years when keyboards act differently than what it did in 2006, keep the same rules? How about just having fun playing a video game.

[@Lacter12]

Dude, the whole thing with speed and accuracy, having someone use 1 key and get away with it will start a wave of people who are *not following rhythm on a rhythm game* . It's not comparable to using a stylus. You still have to learn how to aim with it regardless.

[@Otacanthus]

@@Lacter12 How is releasing a button on beat not just that

[@Lacter12]

@Otacanthus works for sliders, makes sense, not for streams. that's completely killing the hard part, not rhythmic at all. The same double tapping without the macro awards you *a lesser score and accuracy* . That would be finding a way around it. Double tapping has been previously nerfed way before this cheating scandal

[@Otacanthus]

@@Lacter12 Doesn't that make it a map problem more?

[@Lacter12]

@@Otacanthus why

[@qxty]

1 view

[@amai-w8f]

Wasn't Ed actually agreeing witht the first wooting tweet when it came out during the cloutiful drama ? Why is he saying now that "it was a horrible response, the whole community agreed on it" ? What an unreliable and spineless person. Same goes for the chatters that will just agree with what the streamer says.

[@wabbajocky8235]

what are you talking about? when wooting first tweeted, btmc said that they should stick to making keyboards instead of giving opinions

[@fryderyksadocha8044]

1. Opinions change 2. Didn't he also have a garbage opinion about rework, which he defended through like 4 videos until he understood why it sucks? He also argued about it with his chatters, so they aren't (at least always) his yes-men

[@thenecromancer7487]

ain't no way you just called someone "spineless" over a video game drama

[@baconeko]

wait until you find out that a fundamental part of good community discourse is a willingness to change your opinion when presented with better arguments. guess you’ve never done that eh

[@JustMatchmaking]

This mentality is one of the reasons that communication is falling apart nowadays. Are people not allowed to change their perspectives when presented with new information? Isn't that that the whole point of callouts and productive discourse?

[@pixelation.]

0 view in 60 minutes… bro fell off so hard

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

my ass with 1 view in weeks