Pope Francis and the Dangers of Technocracy

[@ximena110]

Pope Francis’ quote at 18:15 is everything. 👏👏 Thank you Bishop and Brandon for shedding light on this important reality.

[@katherinedubois1220]

❤i am thankful for catholic radio here in nevada

[@pop6997]

Hope you feel better soon Bishop, I can hear that head cold in your voice. Get a good rest when you can..thanks so much for all you do, and especially for your online ministry, its invaluable.

[@pop6997]

@@liannesadler5771 🙄 Get a life.

[@PamBogdan]

As an engineering educator, this topic is one that we struggle with. We need to train the next generation to move from bigger/faster/stronger as the definition of better to sustainable and equitable is better. The need for the focus on ethics is also important too, since as was pointed out that strong foundation that was common to all, can no longer be assumed. Finally, it amazes me how often the tool, in this case technology, loses its position of service and how easily people turn it into the master.

[@77thTrombone]

17:28 this discussion of liberal vs conservative is *hugely important* in the modern, political, reductionist landscape. _True Christianity is not conservative _*_or_*_ liberal._ _True Christianity is both conservative _*_and_*_ liberal._

[@thomasmurphy9429]

Been waiting for this discussion for a long time, such a major theme of Francis’ magisterium and it gets so very little attention!!

[@thabanimbulelo9864]

Thanks Bishop Barron for always coming with informed topics that are of necessity in our society.

[@amexicanladyonthesoutherncross]

We just read Abolition of men at the WOFI book club. We read both the Lewis book and the companion book. We had a meeting with the author of the companion book.

[@patballmorrison9099]

Thanks for this stimulating discussion. All the reflection and reference to the basic and yet deep thoughts and teachings of the "older" philosophers is enlightening. I stretch back in memory of my studies of the humanities and philosophy and realize the groundingand moral foundation I gained from those studies along with my Catholic upbringing and lifelong faith. Today philosophy is seldom considered nor known. We know about diminishing religious affioliations. No wonder there is so much extremism. Bishop Barron's references to Descartes, Pascal, etc has stirred me to reread these philosophers. I purchased Socrates Children thru Word on Fire and admit some stumbling through many of the chapters. But listening to a conversation like this reinforces my need to refresh my knowledge. I really appreciate Bishop Barron moderation and clarification on so much we hear from Pope Francis. Until listening to these explanations I had a slanted negative opinion of Pope Francis.

[@OgeneAdoh]

Thank you so much Bishop. I love the connection between CS Lewis, Tolkien and Pope Francis.

[@ddonovan2965]

I have experienced the Latin Mass, and I respect it tremendously. However, I don't know Latin, and I'm too old to learn it. I will pray that it becomes allowed for those who are attached to it. But I myself would never give hearing the words of the priest in prayer to the Father through the sacrifice of Christ in my own language. They are some of the most beautiful prayers that hold the greatest meaning for us as Catholics and it enriches my prayer tremendously. I'm sure I could read along in English but it becomes a bit disconnected and dry like I'm alone just reading or in a room with others who are speaking to each other in a language you don't understand. It's like you're not there. By all means teach the children but I prefer the Mass in the vernacular so people can understand in absorb in their own language the prayer and meaning of the Mass.

[@vincenttolve9756]

Excellent exposition on one of the pressing problems of our time. I would recommend to the Bishop (again) Wendell Berry's work generally but particularly his essay "Christianity and the Survival of Creation" in the collection "The Art of the Commonplace."

[@hiervi]

Thanks to BB and this channel for highlighing the `Technocracy`.

[@sueoconnell9805]

Hi Bishop Barron. As a technologist (programmer), I wondered if you’ve read “In Our Own Image: Savior or Destroyer? The History and Future of Artificial Intelligence” by George Zarkadakis? I’m about 2/3 of the way through, he asks quite a few questions that I wondered what your perspective is on them. What are your views on the dangers of AI? It seems to me the desire to build artificial consciousness, or download our own consciousness so it can live forever, is the new Tower of Babel issue.

[@ralphauer150]

Bishop Barron & Pope Francis see what is troubling much of society today. Is there an answer solving these dilemmas? Or will we need to wait until God steps in? 🙏

[@ralphauer150]

@@liannesadler5771 The enlightenment of the Saints, is factual. I’ve look to see any facts by an atheist, never found one, to suggest any. So inclined to reading. The Life Of St Gemma Galgani. Read all 370 + pages. Author FR Germanus (1900). ✌️

[@johnhoelzeman6683]

@@liannesadler5771 im not sure how that is what's required for God to be our "ally", whatever you mean by that. Heck, what you're describing certainly isn't the Christian God, nor the Jewish or Muslim one. Maybe you're referring to a different religion?

[@johnhoelzeman6683]

@@liannesadler5771 my comment wasn't contrary to the claim that God is our ally, it was opposed to the criteria you gave to SHOW he's our ally, as well as the way you describe God.

[@ralphauer150]

@@liannesadler5771 Lianne Sadler. I am now asking you to read the “Life of Saint Gemma Galgani “ by her Spiritual Director, Father Germanus. You do, you do. You don’t you don’t. Many found the book interesting.

[@Occupuyourspine]

Nothing to do with Technocracy.

[@marystermer5983]

I was quite interested also in Brian’s question concerning visible and invisible church. This speaks also of the generation that says “I’m spiritual, no religious”. Also I so often think about what Jesus says in John 17:21-23. Because of that desire I was attending a Congregational church along with Mass… I need to stop as it is causing divisiveness in my mind😢

[@bc5612]

Politicians need to read and listen to all that bishop has to say. I fear his words fall on deaf ears. Catholics need to unite behind his teachings. I want him to be more than 10 minutes of entertaining teaching.

[@Bogeyoda12]

Bishop Barron has been busy travelling and evangelizing, so fatigue and less rest can have a toll on his body. Get well soon. Hope you can rest appropriately. God bless.

[@marypinakat8594]

*POPE FRANCIS:* The Church encourages the progress of science and technology at the service of humanity. *But it also encourages a certain methodical slowness and caution to ensure that the impact of new developments is carefully considered.*

[@pop6997]

Sounds like wisdom to me!

[@marypinakat8594]

Certainly true wisdom ​@@pop6997 ✨ Your presence is deeply appreciated ⭐

[@virtuouslivingmadesimple9054]

Think of A.I. and all the dangers it is bringing to our world as it attempts to do our thinking for us! I hope you are feeling better, Bishop, and thank you so much for your shepherding of our southern diocese in Minnesota - we'll see you in Mankato in June!

[@chriscoke2505]

I believe Alex O’Connor is going to convert to the Catholic Faith, and when he does it will be amazing to behold. It’s just a feeling I get with him. I don’t think he wants to stay atheist anymore he sees it’s running out of juice

[@ralphauer150]

I listened to Bishop Baron & Alex. As time marches on Alex will become wiser, I think in his beliefs. I personally need to believe in facts. Atheists search for facts, and find nothing, but debates. Enlightenments are the lives of the Saint, that point to God.🙏

[@chriscoke2505]

@@ralphauer150 amén

[@AthanaSus]

Pray for Alex. He just needs the touch of the Holy Spirit in his life.

[@AntonAchondoa]

He was actually born and raised Roman Catholic, so more precisely, he could revert. If he does, we would benefit from someone as astute, rational, and articulate as he is. Our ranks have been infested by demagogues, conspiracists, and authoritarians, so people like Alex O'Connor and Bishop Barron would be breaths of fresh air in the dialogue.

[@chriscoke2505]

@@AthanaSus Just did !

[@rosanacumberland9684]

Thank you. I do wonder how Christian our country was in the early 19th Century, and if that religiosity was found everywhere? It is difficult to not see them with our 21st Century glasses.

[@Jackjohnjay]

So good.

[@SnarkySparkyr132]

We think we build technology in order to dominate nature and engineer society. In reality, technology has already began to dominate us. We are surveilled more than ever. Our screen time, even of children, is way too high. Addiction to social media and video games is a very real problem. This issue is important because it's not only about being good stewards and protecting the environment, but also because we must protect our own humanity.

[@SnarkySparkyr132]

@@russellmiles2861 In a world of people addicted to crack, who will be able to stage the intervention?

[@RedWolfenstein]

This is what Ted Kaczynski was saying decades ago

[@roseannewoo1587]

With due respect, Bishop Barron, the calculus of the atomic bomb should not be looked soley at "lives taken", without balancing it against "lives saved", if the war had dragged on. Countless historians have documented the mentality of the Japanese military during WWII. The soldiers were to fight to the bitter end -- to kill or be killed in honor of the emperor. Further, please do not overlook the terror experienced by citizens in those invaded territories across Asia. In short, a public forum deserves a balanced view point.

[@franlaris8553]

When looking at the dropping of the atomic bombs historians, especially now are more and more inclined to say they weren't necessary. The leapfrogging had worked the US had won. How long were the Japanese going to keep fighting? Hard to say, but a while back I looked at this topic and found some things that completely changed my mind. One of them was that the admiral in charge and some other people on the staff saw it as unnecessary ( I recall the president being in the minority over actually dropping it). Another big one was that the Japanese had already started plans to surrender. I know I don't give names and stuff but as I said I don't really recall super well, just the horror of being like damn not even the admirals wanted to do it.

[@franlaris8553]

@@russellmiles2861 That sounds dangerously close to idolatry. The government, the nation, the US is not God.

[@SnarkySparkyr132]

That history is questionable, as to whether that was the calculus or not. The USA had already firebombed (another crime against humanity) Japan multiple times, and the emperor was already considering surrender. And remember, these bombs were not on military targets, but on civilians. It's speculated the bombs were dropped so as to show them off to the USSR, and to show that the USA wasn't afraid to use what they had once the war was over.

[@SP-ct2rj]

But did there need to be two? One should have been enough.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

​@@SnarkySparkyr132 I'd argue that the US was targeting logistical targets rather than civilians, but the technology simply wasn't available to do so without massive civilian casualties. On the Western front, the US bought the most advanced bomb sights and launched attacks during the more dangerous daytime hours so they could hit precise targets like factories and refineries. The results just weren't meaningfully different from Britain targeting the entire city at night. The US was so intent on increasing the precision of its weapons that it developed kamikaze pigeon bombs. If a squadron of F-35s with modern guided weapons time traveled back to WWII, there's no way the US would have resorted to leveling cities because it would easily accomplish what it wanted with a lot less loss of life.

[@ernestomtdelilla5565]

Very insightful! Dominus Regit is the way to go! Viva Cristo Rey! Did not one of his servants just tell us Faith and Reason in balance are they Way whether a Technocracy, Monarchy, Democracy, Religion etc. Santo Subito B16!

[@rosalindleggett600]

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[@danielfaoro3615]

Another great presentation, see also the work by Leo Marx, The Machine in the Garden. Always find the Bishop's work masterful!

[@kooschadler3579]

C. S. Lewis said Owen Barfield was the "wisest and best of my...teachers". Barfield was the much neglected, third Inkling - yet perhaps the most brilliant (at least, Lewis considered him as such). Barfield's two books of essays, "History, Guilt and Habit" and "The Rediscovery of Meaning" address many of the topics in the Bishop's talk today.

[@stellavadakin5910]

Thank you.

[@lisagroves38]

Thank you 😊

[@marcuswilliams7448]

A basic reading of Luther's Sacramental Theology will demonstrate how Bp. Barron mischaracterized his view of Justification and the Sacraments. In fact, he calls Baptism the Sacrament of Justification. Read the Large Catechism. Please.

[@ClementGreen]

We haven't been together for a while - I can quite believe it

[@EduardoSamaniego-q8k]

Listening to your podcast reminded me of my study of Martin Buber's I-Thou. The technocratic paradigm is a "thing-i-fying" of people by the subject. Buber thought of the State and the Economy as I-It relationships by nature. This means that there is no perfect form of government or economic system (which should include all churches), because their purpose which seeks to control, by subjects with the power, who are addicted to "thingifying" people. Buber would say that the only way a system of government or a system of an economy can approximate I=Thou-ness, is be having those in the positions of power, authority and influence be true I-Thou-ers who realize that the state and the economy must be constantly reformed to weed out what leads to sin.;

[@racheleaggleston6410]

Its probably a given AI will be the next step in streamlining the workplace. Including employee training.

[@gcummings88]

What AI cannot do. Bird songs, and Bach.

[@operafunopera]

I don't like this pope. But bishop Barron is great!!!

[@robertschellhammer3565]

Neil Postman took the concept another step further in his book, "Technopoly".

[@Philip-uy3bx]

Perhaps their complaints forestalled proliferation

[@vfb3377]

""dropping atomic bombs that killed upwards of a hundred thousand innocent people, the use of technology undisciplined by a moral sensibility", implying a moral quality comparable to the Nazi gas chambers, is not entirely fair. As a side note: there is little to distinguish the morality of the atomic bomb raids from the far more numerous firebomb raids that preceded them (the worst of which was even more devastating). Whether or not an act is carried out with one plane or a thousand planes has little bearing on the moral quality of the act. But this almost never gets mentioned. Why is that? In any event, the structure of Japanese society lacked the distinction between combatants and non-combatants that western societies tend to maintain. When ALL 15-year-old boys and 17-year-old girls are being trained to fight in the anticipated invasion, and when the military-industrial capacity is largely distributed over small shops in otherwise civilian areas (to make them harder to destroy), it becomes a bit difficult to discern a proper military target from an illicit civilian one. Further: was the raids really divorced from any sort of moral sensibility? One might well criticize the moral calculus used to evaluate the moral quality of the raids against Japanese cities, but is it really true that there was no moral calculus at all? Consider this: had the Japanese surrendered once their military position became untenable, the wholesale destruction would have ceased because the intent was to win the war, not eliminate the Japanese population. But use of the Nazi gas chambers was another matter entirely.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

The weird thing about Americans and A-bombs is that the ones who used them clearly sought justification through the Law of Double Effect -- they actually left a number of military targets untouched so they had pristine military targets to hit with A-bombs! -- and the ones who defend/attack them almost universally argue about the moral merit (or lack thereof) of consequentialism. One could easily argue that the Americans making the decision were being disingenuous and you can't use the Law of Double Effect to justify a that many civilian casualties, but that's different from saying they were divorced from proper morality.

[@arfink]

I don't think they're morally equal, and I don't think that was the bishop's point. The point is that both serve as a kind of counterpoint, as a kind of example of worshipping technology and our own will to power leading to disastrous consequences: the knowing and willful taking of innocent human life on a grand scale. We rightly call this intrinsic evil when we see abortion, in spite of any reason or justification one might give about lives saved. It may well be that choosing not to abort will destroy people's lives, their careers, their relationships, but none of it is justified if we have to intentionally take innocent lives. In Japan, the only way we justify atomic bombings is if we to try get away from it being freely chosen, or get away from full knowledge of what the bomb would do, or get away from the human lives being innocent. I don't think we can honestly make the case that anyone involved was coerced. I don't think we can make the case that anyone involved was unaware that this bomb would be the most destructive weapon in history. And I don't think anyone could make the claim that every single one of the thousands of Japanese vaporized were enemy combatants. We can argue the firebombing was just as bad, and I think we should. By the yardstick of "intentionally and knowingly murdering innocent people not involved in a war," it certainly crosses the line. I don't think it lessens the atomic bomb guilt. If anything, it intensifies it, as our leaders doubled down on the same old justification for the inherent immorality of total war.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

@@arfink What if "innocent" simply isn't a meaningful category in the context of war? Joseph Ratzinger's role in WWII provides a fantastic example of an objectively innocent combatant -- a teenager forced to man an anti-aircraft gun by a regime he detested, who refused to even fire the gun. But he was still a legitimate military target who could be licitly shot at by any passing Allied pilot while manning that gun. Equating morally licit killing in wartime with self defense doesn't work either, because the cook at the military base is considered a combatant despite not being a direct threat to anybody (and ambushes are fine in wartime but absolutely forbidden against known threats in civilian life). I honestly think the only analysis of killing in wartime that makes sense is a spiritual one -- just wars are waged against principalities and powers, and /every/ human death that occurs in the process is collateral damage (whether justifiable or excessive) in that higher war. If a rogue state is conceived of as an evil spirit possessing its populace, then the question of "Who or what is a legitimate target?" becomes a function of "Who or what does the spirit require to fight?" If a target is being used by the spirit to facilitate further fighting and the collateral damage isn't disproportionate, the target is legitimate. In that analysis, civilians are generally off-limits because striking them is ineffective and disproportionate given the ultimate goal of disarming their state's evil spirit. Morale bombing is useless on top of being evil. But certain civilians clearly fall into a different category -- a worker assembling Zeros in a Mitsubishi factory might not have any military training and might not carry a weapon, but it's hard to say he's not a legitimate target (at least when present at the factory) because the Zeros he's making are a critical part of Imperial Japan's continued ability to fight. And given that evil spirits love to wreak as much havoc as possible, that Zero factory is almost certainly sitting smack dab in the middle of a high density residential area to guarantee high casualties among true civilians and ensure the strike at least appears disproportionate. (Theoretically, an evil spirit could so thoroughly possess a population that it cannot be forced to stop fighting short of the complete annihilation of said population. Perhaps that might even explain why God put the "Ban" on the Canaanites!) With that said, the question of what the Axis powers needed to keep fighting in WWII certainly played a huge role in the Allies' reliance on Total War. Given the mass production of conscripts and equipment, it's easy to see why the US would have concluded that the most effective way to force surrender would involve targeting industry and logistics. What were the other options? Kill more soldiers than the enemy could afford to replace (read: much of their population, who would have been largely civilian before being forcibly conscripted)? Attempt to seize territory from fully supplied defenders (at the cost of millions of casualties on both sides, including large numbers of civilians in the inevitable urban combat)? Destroy their agricultural capacity and let millions starve (mostly civilians, obviously)? Sit back and let aggressive empires divide up the world (over the bodies of millions of their new colonies' civilians)? The problem, of course, was that WWII weapons were so wildly imprecise that suppressing manufacturing assets like the aforementioned Mitsubishi factory couldn't be done without dropping thousands of bombs and annihilating the city. The A-bomb was a solution only insofar as only /one/ bomb was required to guarantee the same end result and the pigeon kamikaze bombs were, well, pigeon kamikaze bombs. Without precision, targeting industry and logistics is a lousy option. But I'm having trouble seeing any other option that wasn't equally if not more lousy even when focusing on the unintended-but-foreseen impact to civilians. And one good thing about seeking precision even before it was possible is that it ensured that enormous amounts of effort would be poured into making the execution match the theory.

[@vfb3377]

@@arfink Hopefully, the good bishop did not mean to draw such a moral equivalence. But it's a bit unclear the way he expresses it. Coercion cannot justify an act in ANY situation. It may mitigate the guilt, and nothing more. That said, those making the decisions certainly were under a form of coercion: the knowledge of the expected casualties if Japan itself had to be invaded (CCC1860). The only true justification for the raids would be if those cities constituted legitimate targets. It is not necessary that 'every single one' of those present be enemy combatants. If that were the case, one could easily tie the hands of the opposing belligerent (in a moral sense) by making sure that at least one non-combatant was present in every factory or military base. In other words: it's an open invitation to use human shields. If a potential target is a mixed bag (as was certainly the case here, for the aforementioned reasons), it would seem that "double effect" now comes into play. It is only through that analysis, I would suggest, that any sort of conclusion may be drawn.

[@jamesmacdonald9576]

Martin Heidegger’s writings on technology are among his most famous, and he, if anyone, comes closest to “owning” this topic and the issues associated with it. It baffles me, therefore, that his name is not so much as even mentioned in this discussion.

[@hal511bm]

I have added some comments to your excellent video for which I would like to apologize. What I have expressed are merely personal opinions. I am sorry . Please forgive my stupidity.

[@ofcourse7357]

Liturgy of the Hours book is great. Comes monthly. Even at $9 a month is a bargain.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

It's worth pointing out that both Tolkien and Lewis shared the intuition that natural forces should be characterized as angelic beings -- Valar and Maiar for Tolkien, Oyarsa and eldila (and even sometimes baptized pagan gods!) for Lewis. I suspect that therein lies the solution. Angels aren't gods to worship or demons whose oppression we're doomed to endure. They're more powerful than us but have been ordered to serve us, and they'll work with us as long as we respect them and acknowledge our shared need to worship God. Nature, likewise, ought to be a partner rather than an adversary. Because honestly, that Bacon quote about putting Nature on the rack sounds pretty Gnostic and anti-Creation to me. It's a lot more romantic to think that by treating the laws of aerodynamics as a valued partner, we literally soar on the wings of angels.

[@Crowbar6006]

Theodore kaczynski addresses technocracy quite well in Industrial society and its future

[@NielsLyhne123]

Also in "Where the Wasteland Ends," an extraordinary book.

[@victordoofilipe9002]

Faster but more importantly, safer. Nature unfortunately can be a bit if a brute...

[@ernestomtdelilla5565]

Not going to worship my cell phone/tech but also not missing plowing the field with oxen! Leaders with technical expertise okay as long as they are balanced so no "Nutty Professors", "Dr Bonkers" or "PHDs from Crackpot University"! Need the best of both worlds the Natural and Technical! Balance is key for those seeking "Power"!

[@ruthmusante8726]

I live in Arona on lake maggiore which is much prettier

[@AhmedAli-ue5wk]

Time was giving the answer of the question The time is earned the benefits & losses The Time shall change the concerns of each & every steps which humans should taken from the centuries because every things depends & changing on their accurate timeing that's the rules of the nature for nations of the world 🕊🦋😊🌠⚖

[@splinterbyrd]

Then the Church should take charge of the technocracy, rather than vainly trying to resist it

[@pop6997]

The Church can't 'take charge' lol. No, she can only warn the faithful, and raise awareness - point out the benefit and pitfalls of our increasing consumption and dependence.

[@Snouckhurgronje]

Pray the Vatican has training for priests worldwide so that they can do sermons like you do

[@maxburton22]

Technocracy does not mean the social consequences of technology. I was excited to hear a discussion about technocracy and was disappointed to not get that at all. tech·noc·ra·cy /tekˈnäkrəsē/ noun the government or control of society or industry by an elite of technical experts.

[@glorianova7557]

❤️💯🙏🙏

[@hal511bm]

May I please ask for your moral and medical guidance for the families of dead vaccinated people who were healthy before your guidance ?

[@marypinakat8594]

Wondering what is this request.

[@hal511bm]

@@marypinakat8594 Yes certainly , let me please explain how science really works. I an old person who went to a Catholic school and learned "Primum non nocere " . I was astonished and left dumbfounded by The Good Popes moral guidance thru this pandemic. It was a tragedy beyond the material and logical universe. The so called "new variants" of the COVID virus have always existed. During the past three years of the COVID pandemic and thru the ongoing AIDS pandemic they have made us sick because of vaccines and our weakened immune systems. This is how Mother Nature and Reason work. You have done "verboten" and only God can reward you.

[@silentedict4256]

To be fair, everyone was deceived. Who would have expected our own compatriots would stoop to a point of infecting the world to maintain their own vanity and power. Now we know.

[@Joefrenomics]

While I’m not a shill for the vaccine (I myself didn’t take it), you seem to be suggesting the vaccine killed those people. Personally, I know so many people in my personal life who took the vaccine, and they’re fine.

[@jackwilliamatkins5602]

Jesus Christ is working with Jackie Chan

[@patricknovak3408]

Like the abuse of power with the forced Vax. The Church was guilty as well. Bio tech is the most dangerous.

[@Deathbytroll]

I see someone finally got around to reading Ted K.

[@margueritelangton6362]

I agree with Brian - only Jesus knows exactly who does and who doesn't belong to Him. He said that no-one could come to Him unless His Father had called them, and promised that He would not cast ANYONE out who did/does come to Him. Jesus Himself came looking for me; without His approach I would still be an atheist. I'm Anglican, and likely to remain so. Talk to some other Protestant-to-Catholic converts (Scott Hahn and John Bergsma spring to mind) - they will tell you that their relationship/s with Jesus as Protestants was REAL - BEFORE they converted! You Catholics do NOT have a monopoly on the seats in the Sempiternal Rose!! I just pray for the unification of the diverse Christian Churches. With the mess the world is in, and the schisms/apostasies in the major churches; we need ALL those who love Jesus to be united under His banner. If these are not the last times - before we set off any more nuclear bombs - they're a good dress rehearsal.

[@mariamatusiewicz4280]

I am a cradle Catholic and I have spectacular experiences (ecstacy) with God, the Holy Spirit. Christ guides me in every major decisions in my life. My Catholic faith is sacred and it is my Home.

[@kathypollard9121]

We can never be complacent in our faith - believing that we are saved just because we are believers. We are called to constant conversion in the realisation that we are all sinners and that our sins can get in the way of a closer relationship with God. We are all works in progress! I think that is the point Bishop Barron is making. It's a realisation that we need to keep working on our own holiness - no matter what Christian denomination we belong to. We are brothers and sisters in Christ and in the last ten years Pope Francis has been encouraging greater cooperation and understanding between us. As GK Chesterton wrote "We are all in the same boat and we are all seasick"!

[@gcummings88]

The best art by far was produced by people with no electricity or democracy.

[@LarryRiedel]

I don't know why the term "technocracy" or "technocratic" is being used this way. Wikipedia has the correct definition: "Technocracy is a form of government in which the decision-maker or makers are selected based on their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge" I have no idea why these guys are equating it to technology clashing with nature or having excessive prevalence. The fearmongering religion of Global Warming has been an integral part of the technocratic plans, Agenda 2030 and all that. Virtually every "environmental" movement for the last 60+ years has been part of the agenda to impose technocracy.

[@racheleaggleston6410]

It is a scientific drone unchecked, to monitor your every movement. It is not employed to make beneful changes in an empirical sense, but cherry-picked as a tool for sometimes political reasons.Example, if recying, disposing if everything purchased, plastic packaging, hazmat, etc was sincerely on the radar of all state and local government, why do we atill have a problem.

[@lapassion24]

He looks tired!!

[@peterthompson6651]

I would be more worried If I was a member Roman Catholic Church as they do not understand what Jesus said in the gospels when he said in John 2:19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Jesus is the Church, so if you do not go to him you are lost, as written in the scriptures, John 14:6. Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Do Catholics read the true Gospels? Do the scriptures not tell you not to worship false idols? King James Bible Exodus 20:3-5. 3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is In heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that Is in the water under the earth: 5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, not serve them: for I the LORD thy G of am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. He should read the book of revelations?

[@spacemanspiff3052]

The labels we use today are skewed from what was used 30 years ago. Political orientation to “conservatism” today is what was considered fringe reactionist politics 30 years ago. Everyone else is basically referred to as liberals, socialist, woke or RINO. That’s why Pope Francis is viewed suspiciously or even hostility by those on the far right as a woke, lefty, socialist threat when he certainly isn’t. Unfortunately, I think the living Christ would be labeled a radical lefty socialist if he preached today, though how many would call his ministry through the Church here and now leftist and progressive experimentalist . . . the Church, like life, is not so simple in its ministry as current political labels are in their hyperbole.

[@lenorecatalogna9752]

andf howe many millions from funerals do you make?

[@BobMarley-yq3wi]

That is not the definition of technocracy, it has nothing to do with technology 😂

[@wolverinexo6417]

You have no idea of what a true technate would look like. You do not understand our ideology.

[@alinucalinuc4124]

Pope Francis... man, I just feel so bad for what I'm about to say, but I have to: Pope Francis should just resign, he has put the Catholic Church to shame, numerous times, with his public statements, the last of which being a stupid and dangerous opionion on the war on Ukraine, by Russia. I mean, to state that the guilt for the war in Ukraine is not just Russia's... My God!....

[@PantheraOnca60]

Francis has done nothing of the sort. There is a deliberate, concerted campaign to misquote and malign him by the enemies of Christ and His Church, both from within and without.

[@adamgoldwasser]

@@AJ_ace22 no one "understands" Jesus. And the biggest issue are those who assume they do. And they make enemies of the ones they assume don't.

[@pop6997]

You should feel bad for that tbh, its poorly researched rhetoric that so many 'Catholics' are selling books about and getting quite rich. Look again, this time with clear eyes and do 'basic' research to see the truth is not what you've been so obviously buying.

[@giuliaamendola9890]

Bishop Barrón, Please stop saying “God doesn’t need us. He is perfect in every way. “ God needs us, we are evolving and co-creating WITH God. Why would He create us in a static world that doesn’t need us? That’s as disempowering as computers taking all human input and then making humans redundant. Logical fallacy to say someone that loves us doesn’t need us. If we start telling the lapsed that God needs us, they will return to God! That’s what Judaism does and they are regaining the disaffiliated well. Every time you tell someone God doesn’t need them, and well then, no surprise they leave, they were told they weren’t needed. Rethink this.

[@masterchief8179]

Even co-creating with God, that doesn’t add anything to God. It adds to us by grace, so that in due time we parteke in God’s intratrinitarian life. God doesn’t need to create or the things created; otherwise creation would be non-contingent. That’s a philosophical issue, not an emotional one. I guess you de-contextualized Bishop Barron’s philosophical and theological argument and made an emotional one instead. Besides, the channel growth rates has never been this high and I’m unacquainted with anyone leaving the Church because they feel God must need him to be complete. With love from Brazil.

[@bukurie6861]

Thank you🙏