WordTeX - A WYSIPCTWOTCG Typesetting Tool

[@captaindapper5020]

"*data was collected until results confirmed hypothesis" i nearly spit my coffee

[@vdinh143]

CapnCrinklepants I had to do a double take on that one

[@afwaller]

That’s just standard academic procedure.

[@phamnguyenductin]

Doesn't matter because it's double blindfolded.

[@padreigh]

It'sflawed - the camera was not blindfolded - better triplefold...

[@Krynictrace]

Well, you wouldn't keep looking for your keys after you found em, right? Haha

[@TheAnimystro]

Laughed at the "include executables". I then laughed even more when I realised the PowerPoint video was also you

[@rosiefay7283]

Yes, what an easy way to embed malware into an innocent-looking document.

[@cheaterman49]

Didn't realize it was him for the PowerPoint as well! This makes even more sense now, haha.

[@toatrika2443]

@ That just makes social engineering much more important for spreading malware. Imagine trying to find a reason for someone to do like 1000 mouse clicks.

[@Eltaurus]

@@toatrika2443 Yeah, make a word version of the cookie clicker.

[@lolerie]

@ well, it is comfortable though. You can also attach the music, video or other Microsoft documents

[@droidBasher]

"Hang on while Windows reports the problem to Microsoft..." Yeah, Microsoft just needs to solve the halting problem, no biggie.

Imagine someone at Microsoft actually looking into that report and wondering WTF the guy was doing.

[@neoqueto]

Nah, they were probably like "Ah! It must be that 10-year old autocorrect memory leak. That's low priority."

[@Robert-zc8hr]

The halting problem can be solved if you have finite memory (as is the case), very easily: - Run the program as usual and at every step check all it's state (that is, memory contents and current state in the machine). 1. If at any point you find that you where already on that state, answer hangs. 2. If at any point you get out of memory, hang. 3. If nothing of the above happens at some point you will halt, since there is a finite number of states (memory included). Notice that if you try to run the halting problem over itself (as the demonstration of why it doesn't work does), it will hang. That is, when run with itself is still undecidable (not the case for word). Why is beyond the scope of this comment.

[@marcelh7864]

@@Robert-zc8hr Well but even in finite memory your proposed checks are not enough. You could have a machine that visits the same state multiple times before reaching an end state. In your proposal these would also count as non-halting which would be untrue. You would have to do a full path analysis which you essential cannot do in a generalized (meaning for all finite programs) way. That is the core of the halting problem.

[@corlinfardal]

Marcel H If you have a program running the exact same command line with the exact same memory as some earlier point in history, how could it do anything other than what it did the first time, and thus wind up back at the same command line with the same memory again and loop, assuming the program is deterministic (i.e. no randomness, io, etc.)

[@fluffalpenguin]

I clicked on this video solely to find out what that acronym meant. My mind was blown by the fact that word docs are just zipped XML, though.

[@ABusFullaJewz]

turnoverman001 that knowledge came in handy when my final research paper for a class corrupted the day it was due and the only backup was 2 days old. After much fucking around I managed to pull the mostly intact data from the xml and rebuild the formatting.

[@Xitoshi]

turnoverman001 In Libre Office you can even use an unzipped format that allows you to use version control software : D

[@firefly618]

Xitoshi also the LibreOffice XML is much easier to edit by hand

[@tookitogo]

whatfireflies Yep, the Word XML files are basically just an XML rendering of Word’s object model, which is extremely complex. Whether it’s stored in binary or XML is largely irrelevant; it’s the underlying object model that is complex (and very unique, not at all based on tags!!!), and that’s why converting Word documents is so difficult for other apps to do well.

[@MrHatoi]

Ever wondered why the new extensions have an "x" at the end? (docx, xlsx, etc.)

[@4.0.4]

3:57 - Visual Basic 6 is not the same as the one Office uses, which is the slightly less dreaded VBA (Visual Basic for Applications). The reason VBA is less dreaded is because less people know about it.

[@ais4185]

Statistical stupefaction of the day!

[@king999art]

Doesn't change the fact that 3 of the top 5 in that list are Visual Basic - VB 6, VB.NET and VBA. (this is coming from someone who actually likes using VB)

[@dundee248]

king999art Oh, you‘re the guy. I Heard- myths about you

[@maxclifford937]

Vba is how I started coding :) also if your willing wors plugins are easy to write.

[@gaweyn]

2019 survey - most dreaded top position: VBA 75.2%

[@andreaaristokrates9516]

That was a damn smooth transition to the turing machine, should have seen that coming.

[@gfrewqpoiu]

Wow first I see PPTM and now WordTEX. The Office team should hire you right now

[@nixel1324]

Don't you mean ([P]ᵀᴹ TMᵀᴹ)ᵀᴹ?

[@felipevasconcelos6736]

I wonder what he can do on OneNote, or Publisher, I am yet to find a good reason to use them.

[@TimothyReeves]

Felipe Vasconcelos I like OneNote, at work. Never needed Publisher for anything though.

[@sebastianjost]

@@felipevasconcelos6736 OneNote is great for taking Notes (on tablets and 2in1 laptops)

[@likira111]

Hello Tom, I'm a random 19 year old awake at 3:50 AM due to taking my ADHD medication too late and I just stumbled across your channel from the power point fractal videos. I have absolutely no clue what latex even is but now I am going to try it because it looks aesthetic as hell. That way even if I fail my imrocing exams at least it'll look good. Thank you.

[@HermitianAdjoint]

How did it go?

[@Delta0001-y]

@@HermitianAdjoint commenter got stuck in an infinite loop

[@fredrikfredrikfredrik]

i come across this comment 4 years later and check the time: 3:50 AM 😮

[@TheKahiron]

An acquaintance told me of a friend of his, whose dislike for using Word and similar document editors led to him writing a Vim-script, producing a .docx-file for any latex document he output, in case some university task or collaboration workmates strictly requested hand-ins as word documents. Truly respectable dedication.

[@0xEmmy]

"Just make sure your Turing machines halt." Why? Why on Earth, or any other comparable planet, would you discourage people from crashing their Microsoft products properly?

[@natheniel]

octet33 I laughed soooo hard at that point in the video

[@Marksman560]

WEEEEEEEEEEE Infinite loops are awesome :D

[@christianh2581]

@@natheniel Same here, hahaha!

[@TyDurr1]

Okay, real talk tho, people would have far fewer issues with Word's formatting if they'd A) use the styles at the top instead of manually formatting things and B) leave their images in-line instead of wrapping them tight.

[@vonmorgen3783]

i realized long ago that people who claim that Word is bad and doesn't follow your intent just can't use it right. It is the same thing with people who talk shit about vim or the windows auto-updates

[@zachpw]

I do a lot of document formatting (in word processors) and you can be really consistent in Word using styles. But it’s still sort of a pain to do so and it requires a lot of menu hopping. I go back and forth between Pages (mac) and Word frequently and Pages is so much faster to format and stay consistent with. I think the only major feature it doesn’t have is mail merge, but it makes up for it in so many other ways (I think Word didn’t support typographic ligatures until like 2015 or something?).

[@ThoolooExpress]

@@vonmorgen3783 It's not that Word doesn't follow your intent... it's that it follows your intent way too well, and so you can make it do really stupid things. One of the greatest parts of LaTeX is that almost nothing is set absolutely in ordinary usage, it's all based around assigning "badness" to various things and letting the program figure out the best balance. It means that you can't totally screw up the layout of your document because you HAVE to have an image in one specific place, but also you absolutely cannot have an orphan, and God forbid you have a line break after an explicit hyphen. While Word will let you tweak settings and enter deeper and deeper circles of typesetting hell, LaTeX will just pick something that sorta works, and you'll probably decide that writing the code to override it isn't worth the effort and get on with your life.

[@kirathekillernote2173]

Word should stop people to allow changing font size/ style of every paragraph and force users like Latex to go to styles and alter the style or create a new one. This modular approach is what makes Latex awesome. Formatting should come from styles, not overhead window.

[@bjoern_eberhardt]

I got really excited when I saw autocorrect running Turing machines 😍😍😍😍😍

[@ocelotsloth8778]

This is the quality content I hit the bell for all those months ago.

[@cdturner]

I wrote my computer science PhD thesis in 93 in the first version of Word for Windows. Although the visual basic looks scary its not, I remember having a set of word macros that used word bookmarks to be able to take my latex bibliography and insert the correct references and format the biblio at the end. not as powerful as latex, but a lot faster to work in. Alt-F9 is a handy key to know in word, as it toggles between showing the fields/bookmarks by name or by content.

[@Fwacer]

I'm crying, this video is hilarious. Your delivery and pacing is flawless

[@zedesar]

What You See Is Probably Cthulhu Thinking What Offering They Can Get for that acronym.

[@BaranovPeter]

What You See Is Pretty Close To What Other Tools Can Get

[@ralphschraven339]

Holy guacamole I won't lie I had to double-check if that kept the entire acronym intact... Hats off to you, sir.

[@juneguts]

people named Tom are really good at sigbovik

[@radeklew1]

If they're so good, why isn't there a Tom 8?

[@looksintolasers]

Right?

[@hweissi]

I used this for an assignment in uni. Actually got the bonus points you could get for doing the assignment in latex

[@M97V]

The missing "dx" in your integral at 0:06 is bothering me more than it should

[@RudeGuyGames]

It's also missing parentheses.

[@1_adityasingh]

@@RudeGuyGames the parenthesis are not necessary, as the "dx" is used to "close" the integral and the integrand is between the integral sign and dx anyways

[@king999art]

@@1_adityasingh it's even worse than that multi-variable integrals, no "dx" or "dy" and it's impossible to tell which variable you're integrating

[@madhuragrawal5685]

Um... Wow. Is this actually practical? Should this actually be used or developed further? After the (PPT™TM™)™ I did not expect anything practical from you.

[@tomwildenhain]

Yes, I actually use this for assignments.

[@madhuragrawal5685]

Tom Wildenhain Congratulations! You are a minor internet celebrity, because my heart skipped a beat when I saw that you responded to me. I will wait patiently for the next thing you grace the internet with.

[@XWB458]

TIL word is just a crappy xml editor

[@JamieAlban]

Clicked to find out what WYSIPCTWOTCG stood for: 5:00

[@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen]

You are a prince among men!

[@Kriae]

watched the whole video but i almost missed that, thanks

[@10percenter54]

You've got your Word in my LaTex! You've got your LaTeX all over my Word! :) First, this looks like a great tool. Good work. Just to nitpick (because I'm very good at it :) ), the part on Word's macro language is not quite correct. At 3:55, you highlight Visual Basic 6 as being the most dreaded. Word's macro language, as with most Office applications, is VBA, or Visual Basic for Applications. It's also in the list you cite, but it only has an 80.0% rating versus Visual Basic 6 with 89.9%, so it's slightly less dreaded. That being said, VBA is a truly dreaded language. I've personally written a *lot* of VBA code (for Access and Excel), and although it's very powerful, it can also be quite cumbersome to deal with. Nowadays, I would never suggest doing any kind of project requiring more than a few VBA macros.

[@WithYouIDisagree]

I'm so glad KZbin suggested this to me, I'm surprised I wasn't subscribed after the watching the genius of PP™TM™™.

[@haboutnnah6969]

See, for the first part of this I wanted to do it just for the default headings, titles, etc. But then I saw the rest. I no longer wish to.

[@dandeliondew]

The way he zoomed out at 0:50, revealing WordTex in MS Word was 👨‍🍳👌

[@sean71300]

Proof: left to the reader /qed lmfao

[@qwertyTRiG]

As a non-mathsy person learning LaTeX, this looks absolutely dreadful. Bravo!

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

It IS horrible. Tex/latex are absolutely horrible.

[@iamtheV0RTEX]

I'm sorry, is no one going to comment on the "double-blind" study? Easily the best gag in the video.

[@BigSleepyOx]

I liked when you embedded the PowerPoint Turing Machine into the WordTeX document. lol

[@HebaruSan]

3:55 - Office macros are written in VBA ("Visual Basic for Applications"), not VB6.

[@jakubknotek4891]

HebaruSan Same shit, different toilet. Jokes aside you're right - VBA is even worse than VB6

[@jamesgrimwood1285]

I always found LaTeX to be "What You See Is Nowhere Close To What Is Output" (or maybe What I Imagine Is Not What Is Printed). Especially those giant margins.

[@jonmichaelgalindo]

*What You See Is Pretty Close To What Others Think Code Gets (It's a twist on What You See Is What You Get / WYSIWYG)

[@1e1001]

Yes we know how jokes work

[@sinom]

"what you see is pretty close to what other tools can get" Edit:Tools was the only word I got wrong originally.

[@reifnir]

This is the best youtube video I've seen. Period.

[@knighty0220]

I only watched 2 videos from you and yet I can already tell how awesome you are

[@StephenWarren]

I can has LibreOfficeTeX?

[@VTOLAircraftMad]

Nice the solution to the halting problem was buried in the word source code all along

[@avinashbabut.n4123]

It feels magical to write math easily with this font, feeling like a mathematician

[@jfr9964]

Jesus the easter egg frequency of this video is about 1 Hz

[@matj12]

There is Wordlike package for LaTeX, it makes documents made in LaTeX look like they were made in Word.

[@StainlessHelena]

It's 1 AM and KZbin is at it again recommending me absolute gold.

[@vivvpprof]

Actually it's not Visual Basic 6 but Visual Basic for Applications (VBA), a few rows down the list. And VBA macros allow full control over the contents of a document, they're really great. I once wrote a chess GUI in Excel VBA.

[@TomK32]

I've been using LyX to write my LaTeX for the last 16 years and I'm quite happy with the UX and results.

[@wagenkinder3208]

You are a the true MVP of youtube!

[@silpheedTandy]

this was FAR more entertaining than i was expecting...

[@luigipizzolito5597]

Absolutely love this, this has made my school papers so much more readable.

[@tHe0nLyNeXuS]

Very interesting. I believe (please excuse me if I am wrong) that OpenOffice/LibreOffice have the necessary features to implement something similar. Any thoughts on that?

[@MrSushant3]

But, what about those thousands of awesome Latex packages for thousands of applications?

[@AndreasHontzia]

I edit docx with vim. It opens the docx as zip and then I can change the xml manually. I feel no pain.

[@stumbling]

"What You See Is Pretty Close To What Output Tex Can Generate" Was I close?

[@Templarfreak]

1:55 "... and the ability to embed executable programs in your documents." oh my god i busted a fucking gut

[@Supertimegamingify]

This is the most beautiful word has been.

[@uponpaul]

At 1:42, you talk about the design-->accent menu being slow. I have experienced this by myself too. It has something to do with the way that Word displays documents and almost everything inside of Word (maybe even Office wide). Changing your default printer to Fax, it makes this faster, for me it was a difference from 30 seconds to less than 1 second. I don't know if you want to change your default printer as you have to manually set your printer if you do print something. For me however this was worth it as I use equations quite often for papers. This should be resolved, but I think a big change in the Word software/display renderer is necessary. A quick solution would be to Always force/use the default fax for the renderer but keep the printer settings of windows in the actual printer settings menu. Furthermore, this video was great. Latex is very nice but as you say somethings are just a bit easier in Word. Having the flexibility of Latex in Word is kind of a dream.

[@christianbarnay2499]

The fact that your printer characteristics are stored in the Word document and directly used to define the margins, messing the page layout each time you print your document on a different printer, has always baffled me.

[@36424567254]

honestly, i just write in markdown and then tell pandoc to convert it into pdf through latex. Yes, for math i still have to use latex syntax, but you're doing mostly the same in word anyway, and I get live preview thanks to KateX while writing it. And pandoc can be configured to do literally anything you may need from latex.

[@leonk6950]

WYSIPCTWOTGC What you see is probably close to what other tools Gould generate?

[@aslancem]

*cenerate

[@Taterzz]

a part of me can't tell if this is a joke or serious. your humor is next level man.

[@ZipplyZane]

I got as far as "what you see is pretty close to what," and assume the last two are "can get," but can't figure out the rest.

[@antoniojaime8917]

Probably "Other tools"?

[@glaxmattbas]

when I was in uni I used TeXmacs, which works pretty well

[@BenjaminGoldberg1]

If you would kindly make a tool to autodetect whether a turing machine will halt, then I will install wordtex.

[@anuraghazra4772]

No one: This guy: *TURING COMPLETE*

[@avinashbabut.n4123]

After seeing a few seconds of this video, I was determined to download the template.

[@TheTurtleOfGods]

I'm finally old enough to understand a big boy meme like this one. \laughs & in & latex

[@Barnaclebeard]

I can't believe I actually used to like you, Tom.

[@hedgehog3180]

Man Keeps Making Turing Machines in Microsoft Office Programs More At 11

[@allenlark]

when you talk about the "quality" of latex...what are you valuing?

[@12...]

The letter X does not make that sound.

[@NotaWalrus1]

12Me21 it's the greek letter Chi

[@qwertyTRiG]

12Me21 The letter Χ does.

[@chrisdrew1768]

1:36 he's actually done it, The absolute mad lad.

[@columbus8myhw]

Wait can you elaborate on that Turing Machine at the end

[@minetruly]

OMG when he said "the ability to embed executable programs" and showed that fucking PowerPoint Turing machine

[@yeong126]

This guy even included the jokes in the instructions file. I'm dead.

[@CM_CM_]

KZbin randomly recommended this too me. I wonder if this is the next big video in the random recommend video series YT has going

[@MrBoubource]

1:55 That reference is awesome, just like the rest of the video Type turing machine power point on youtube btw

[@qwertyTRiG]

Same person.

[@dkresponder]

I'm just going to use my PowerPoint Touring Machine to keep my styles! Btw is this able to keep a clean and easy bibliography?

[@thefekete]

Is there an easy way to tell if your Turing machine will halt? Great video 😉👍

[@alcyonecrucis]

How did you change the font in equations from Cambria Math??? Asking since we’ve been stumped on this from high school.

[@failgun]

www.urtech.ca/2013/05/solved-how-to-change-the-default-font-in-equation-editor-from-cambria/ If you're in Word 2016. Word 2013 and previous, you're out of luck.

[@sebastianoverri9482]

Man did you corrected the issue with the Blackboard Bold font?😅😅

[@_nikeee]

I use Pandoc+Markdown. You can also write parts in Latex if you want to.

[@x3ICEx]

I have been doing this for UNI note-taking. But globally (normal.dot), not as a template. Then a careless reinstall wiped my settings. Lost years of work, hand-customizing the math auto replace dialog.

[@a2aaron]

i actually used WordTeX for all of my math papers in college.

[@charstringetje]

If only I could make sure Turing machines halt, I would be so happy.

[@UnamazingMoi]

Why not use something like Lyx? It's a word processor in a similar vein as Word, but it uses LaTeX inherently.

[@knightfromjupiter]

You're a Hero. Thank you for your service. We owe you.

[@PackSciences]

WordTeX is fine for lots of work. However, I am pissed when it crashes for no reason :(

[@johnnypanrike8505]

Thank you for this video. What about LaTeXs immense flora of additional libraries? I could not do without PSTricks. Also can Word export/convert to true LaTeX code? Some journals only accept LaTeX code.

[@zeitgenosse]

Thanks! I've been using LaTeX for years now, but now someone demands that I turn in a WORD document (yikes) additionally to the PDF. So, I've successfully converted the tex file to docx with pandoc and have applied your template file to it. Looks good.

[@danielchin1259]

It is 2021 and the menu at 1:40 is still slow for no apparent reason.

[@Lorendrawn]

This dude has the patience of Dr strange bargaining with dormammu

[@minetruly]

What You See Is Pretty Close To What One Try Could Get?

[@moth.monster]

I like that Double Blind study

[@aracon9721]

I work in the it for about 20 years now.... and i didn’t know that word files are zipped xml..... I’m feeling stupid.

[@renei5271]

Does this work with MS Word on Macs? Never been able to find plugins for Word for Mac before...

[@shandyverdyo7688]

Hi. So, with this WordTex, i can apply math equation with similar to LaTex style on Microsoft Word?

[@mrlaymoonah]

I really like this template. I even added auto-equation numbering. However, I have faced a bug. The parentheses "( )" do not show up when I convert the .docx file to .pdf via >save as. Precisely, the parentheses do not show up only when they are made as an object, i.e., when you type "( )" and then press the space bar, "( )" will have a cell between parentheses. However, when I just have parentheses without the cell, they will appear in the pdf file. Can you please let me know how to fix this bug? Many thanks again for the awesome template

[@tomwildenhain]

Use print to pdf (file->print) not word's pdf export

[@mrlaymoonah]

@@tomwildenhain Excellent! that worked. Thanks for the prompt response and template :)

[@CD-kd5em]

Is there a way to add equation numbers?

[@TheSenorTuco]

Latex running turning machine? :)

[@sidneylc281]

So is there really a tool to use latex without pain? Or better to start learning it now? Sometimes word is a pain when when making research or documents for papers, I even have no option to do it again in another word just because of a margin or a thing that can't be deleted. Do you have any ideas?

[@ccgarciab]

Tom: we can make a dfa out of this Me: cool, not stronger than regex, but fun Tom: and we can add a stack Me: Oh no, stop climbing the hierarchy Tom: T U R I N G M A C H I N E

[@m.houssem5084]

Thanks. Is there a template file for a Phd thesis?

[@joseville]

We need this template for Google Docs! Does Docs have templates?