Workplace Democracy (with Wolff, Chomsky & Alperovitz)

[@bobriceburner]

Vote for Bernie

[@naldebol]

Jill Stein

[@jonnymahony9402]

@AnarchaWitch meanwhile giving cookies to the population is also not bad, support sanders !!

[@windokeluanda]

Another interesting approach!

[@johnnybizaro1]

Where have I been?

[@drandana3661]

Thats what i was saying a month ago. Ive been telling everyone whenever it comes to mind. spread the word and organize!

[@peterv7258]

What to produce, where, and how much are all determined by normal economic factors. I have a strong feeling that the whole story on these cooperatives in Ohio is not being told. There is no way that there are not some persons involved who have more expertise, more overview, and more control, than other people, or that everyone working at all levels of an organization can all have equal knowledge of the big picture as well as the many areas of specialization which most everything requires. There are so many jobs where this democracy idea just doesn't seem like a feasible option. That isn't to say that management can't benefit from being open to the knowledge and experience of workers on specific task related insights, but generally, thing A has to get to point B, and all that matters is that it gets done. We, as employees are the wheels on the car. Our job is to touch the ground and roll, not to steer the car. There is no way a democratic model would be of any value where I work. Most of the employees have no capacity for making meaningful input into the larger operation of the business. With their own specific tasks, maybe, but generally it's a low skill job and the main necessity is for production to happen. Also, I wonder how the democracy idea impacts those people with sufficiently low IQ that they cannot be trained even to do simple tasks. Not all people are capable of contributing the same level of economic value, and there is no moral reason why anyone should reap greater rewards than what they are able to earn. Equity is unjust.

[@randomstuff911]

“Normal economic factors” aka the incentives of the current dominant economic elite. You are drowning in ideology

[@joshuahudgins]

So go start your own company and run it as such.

[@jonnymahony9402]

that's goal of these people, and to promote it

[@shubhamwr]

@Crystal Nelson yep. Narrow minded guys won't understand that. This is why we have Trump and shit

[@shubhamwr]

Yeah they do that. They give information and help in both theory and practical for co-op startups. Wolff Got "democracy@work" Institution for doing so

[@RitobanRoyChowdhury]

I know this is really old, but Ben Burgis discusses this in a recent video. The major point he makes is that this is begging the question. In a capitalist society, success is fundamentally determined by the amount of profit made. It's literally impossible to escape the stock market. Thus, by demanding that socialists create worker co-ops in a capitalist mode of production, you are subjecting them to a metric that is anti-socialist, i.e. profit. The question is inherently true, it's just saying "in a capitalist society, capitalists do well".

[@chuck_fin]

@@RitobanRoyChowdhury who is the "you" that are subjecting worker cooperatives to the capitalist metric? if me and the lads what to open a bike shop, perhaps we're not as "successful" as the top down shop down the street, but maybe we make enough to be comfortable and do what we love doing. The issue is with scaling - socialism is great at small scale (family) and terrible at large scale (venezuela). Hierarchy is not in invention of capitalism, western culture, or even humans - it is part of the landscape, like oceans and tectonic plates.