World of Tanks - The Beast

Introducing the first tank since the Chrysler GF that actually makes me sympathetic to the use of Gold Ammo.
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[@Luxuriaa176]

Shana here, this was coincidentally my 25000th battle and it was a banger of a game along with a proper support TD once in a blue moon (I love that T103 for playing the way they did). Thanks as always for your lovely commentary Jingles and I wish you a great week as with everyone else!

[@TEMPLARKILLER2010]

Well played. Nearly threw the game shooting at the Patton having to snapshot to decap at 1 seconds.

[@Pincer88]

Great game you had there. Stunning display of skill and self control. A pleasure to watch.

[@Luxuriaa176]

@@TEMPLARKILLER2010 I honestly was expecting the guard to be behind the barn and just shot for some more damage before the end haha but it still worked out well in the end

[@johnhammonds5143]

Although the T103 was showing breathtaking lack of map awareness late in the game. Continuing to defend vs the city while you were rumbling back to the base. Dude, there are no enemies left in the city. They are both in the base. I'm spamming "Defend the base!" in chat. Nope, not moving. Gotta do this myself.

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

are you by any chance a WARHAMMER fan??

[@aarongiroux5416]

i just wanna say he didnt actually do 500 ramming damage, his ally shot the guard doing 499 damage. his ram only did 24 ramming damage.

[@packered]

A classic Jingles moment

[@AndrewLale-mr9jm]

To be fair, those confuse me in battles. If two of you hit at the same moment the game just shows a combined dmg. I've been very disappointed at the end of some games when I thought I'd done thousands of hp dmg and it turns out that was other people...

[@AnitreaSadi]

First of all you should be reported for not starting this comment with "Actually jingles..." lol

[@aarongiroux5416]

@@AnitreaSadi eh, too late. Already got the heart so I can't edit it now. Plus I didn't really expect more than like 3 ppl to even see it XD

[@danhay2505]

It’s a classic Jingle-ism…

[@mst3kguy754]

"Tiger Maus" sounds like the best friend of the "Tiger-Ente" (german children franchise). "Hey Kids, today we learn how to deal with anger with the help of our friend the Tiger-Maus... and 128mm shells."

[@Pincer88]

Where's the time when German TV had these great spaghetti westerns on, with Terence Hill & Bud Spencer? As a boy in my early teens I used to think that "Nuten" were deputy sherriffs, since one common sentence was : "Oh nein, da kommt der Sherrif mit seinen Nuten." Well, my German teacher in high school here in the Netherlands laughed his socks off reading an essay of mine, proclaiming that certainly was a way to look at things. He consequently referred me to the song "Skandal um Rosie" by the Spider Murphy Gang and asked me what deputy sherrifs were doing in the Red Light District in München in that song. That's how the true meaning of the term "Aha Erlebnis" has kept with me until now. Herzliche Grüße aus den NIederlanden von einem Sumpf Germaner. 😁

[@connycontainer9459]

@@Pincer88 Those were great and often way more funny than originally intended since the people who did the dubbing made up a few of those jokes. Most noticably when the mouth of the actor is off-screen and they say something really silly.

[@Pincer88]

@@connycontainer9459Hahaha, I can imagine how much fun they must have had! As a guilty pleasure every once in a while I look for scenes in German dubbing on YT and truly, they are as hilarious as they were then. The more so now you told me this. Thanks!

[@MrZenzio]

It seems like every time I decide to watch a World of Tanks video, half of all the players are driving tanks I've never heard about before.

[@439sparky1]

That’s because they’ve run out of real tanks to add and now the devs literally make shit up and just make sure it looks like it was designed 70 years ago.

[@unnecessaryammorack]

​@@439sparky1 The tiger maus isn't completely fake iirc but yh, most the new stuff they add is fake which doesn't even have to be the case since there are real tanks or real blueprints they could still add

[@krle7970]

@@unnecessaryammorackreal As in a drawing or wooden model? Lol prototype tanks were annoying enough

[@unnecessaryammorack]

@@krle7970 Blueprints. It eventually led to the E-100 but the WoT version is inaccurate in the fact that it's turret is rear mounted when the actual one would've been front mounted

[@-gevert-]

O, Evil Overlord! Ye have made a blunder! The lower glacis on this tank is effectively about 210mm thick, allowing for most tier VIIIs to penetrate it even with regular ammo. Also, our hero didn't do 500 damage with that ram, T-103 hit the Guard right at the same time and made it look so.

[@KhaelaMenshaK]

LOL. That's the only two blunders? First of all, saying that it's a Maus turret on top of the VK45B... Nah. More like Maus on E100. Then he kept comparing the 128mm gun to a fricking TD instead of any of the other SIX!!! German heavy tanks at tiers IX and X that can also use 128mm guns. Says TM has .37 accuracy, when it's actually .35. Not bad for a heavy, yes? Also yes, lower damage than Jagdtiger, but higher damage than an actual Maus. Also faster reload than on the E75. I mean... he's comparing apples to oranges here. Thinks the pen on the BZ was unexpected, when usually he loves to show off his knowledge of overmatching mechanics. This would have been a GREAT moment, as everybody who played the game in the past year knows that BZ roof can be overmatched by 128mm guns VERY nicely. And that's where I stopped watching. I still do enjoy the WoWS videos, because I don't play that myself and have no idea how much of what he says in those is a "blunder". But as someone who's got a little bit of an idea what's going on in WoT, it's just not fun to watch those vids any more :(

[@mst3kguy754]

@@KhaelaMenshaK To the salt mines. Both of you. NOW!

[@peepsy1528]

​@KhaelaMenshaK You know, my line is the defence of gold ammo, he just explained the whole problem with it then explained it away as just "no frontal weakspots". Maybe if wargaming didn't sell out the playerbase on some German heavy with "no frontal weakspots" we wouldn't have this problem. But honestly, the whole game is balanced around the use of gold ammo and half a braincell the playerbase shares. If you balance a game around "special" ammo, your "special" ammo is not "special" you are.

[@rajivambrose6038]

@@KhaelaMenshaKthank you for saying it out loud . I love jingles but sometimes all this does get to me

[@TehAlekzi]

Yeah, it didn't take long for the first "Huh?" moment in this video, I wonder where Jingles got that info that the hull is from a VK4502 since all the armor plate dimensions are entirely different.

[@FetchTheCow]

New drinking game: Every time Jingles says some variant of, "It's not that good but it's not that bad."

[@burnstick1380]

"he did 500 ramming damage" UM ASCHTUALLY Jingles thats 24 ramming damage. It's just that WoT highlights all the recently done damage (including 499 from the T103), which WoT does since ever.

[@Vnx]

Nice to know WG still hasn't addressed that. I remember that from when I played and it's been something like five years since then.

[@BinkyTheElf1]

Um, ACKSHULLY, it’s spelled “Ackshully”. 🤓😉

[@DM-mi4je]

Salt mines. Now.

[@deelkar]

Last time I was this early World Of Warplanes looked like it could actually be good.

[@jaywerner8415]

More surprisingly is the fact that game is STILL working and still has like 50 people playing it at any one time.

[@VikingTeddy]

Why remind me, what did I ever do to you?

[@ainumahtar]

@@jaywerner8415 I imagine all 50 of them whale REAL hard

[@siggyunsichtbar6980]

Wait someone still plays world of warplanes?

[@GelatinCoffee]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 for real, I remember it actually had a very good mobile port But I guess it wasn't official because it got taken down. Made by 1 person alone. Dude had a game with lots of attention to detail more like war thunder than what that pile of garbage is today

[@arwing20]

Ah World of Tanks. The only game out there that makes Warthunder look fair and balanced

[@paulvamos7319]

😂 You should try D.C.S. You can play with any plane, ship or ground vehicle from each decade!

[@paulvamos7319]

Thank you Mr. J for sharing this awesome battle!

[@F.S92]

I love how WG openly gave up on their official wiki and stopped adding new articles of new tanks around the time double barreled tanks came out.

[@krle7970]

Wait really? Is the game finished?

[@TokyoCraftsman]

Prime example of why you need to knock down the buildings around your cap at the start of the game. Cheers.

[@roberthart3305]

Well played. Great video and entertaining commentary as usual, Jingles.

[@joelmccloskey4009]

Jingles love the channel I have been watching since the first good the bad and the ugly.

[@theironrhino110]

Have not played WoT PC since 2016 and have not played WoT Blitz since 2021 so needless to say a vast majority of the tanks I see in these videos are new to me. Considering the reasons Jingles covered in this video, that was probably a good thing.

[@KorbinX]

Morning Jingles

[@michaeljacob9381]

Excellent video, thanks!

[@BlackIsrael__]

We enjoy your play by play commentary sir good job

[@c.t.1755]

For anyone wondering or interested: The lightly-armored-TDs-in-cityfights-with-heavys-thing is a good idea IF you choose to be patient and an oppurtunist. Basically you take big DMG GUN and add it to a heavy you wanna support. You wait for the heavys to exchange fire and then you put your gun to use. You basically are a deterent for the enemys to push and a support for the Heavys (If push comes to shove even your little HP pool can go a long way) . It can work. But you need patience. If you are impatient like the conway you die first minute. It seems to me the enemy Borsig seems to have the thing figured out.

[@chaoticinkinc.3145]

Aaaand now I have a new obsessive want for the table top game. Thanks for that, Jingles.

[@Palalune]

Actually Jingles, that wasn't 500 ramming damage, it was the shot from the 103 plus 24 ramming damage from him. ;-)

[@maartenbernhard7663]

9:40, never change old man

[@SmackcrackIV]

"500 ramming damage", actual ramming damage: 24. Never change Jingles lol

[@This_Bogus]

He did 499 and then rehit the guard for another 24 for a total of 523 ramming damage

[@SmackcrackIV]

@@This_Bogus no, he tracked the guy who then got hit by his teammate for that damage. His ram just refreshed the tracking and did 24 damage

[@miltonzinn8732]

Great battle. It was funny to see around the 7 minute mark how there were 3 tanks left on the team with 717 and the tiger had 684 of them. That’s 33 shared between the other two haha

[@vladimirmuller6089]

"You have to load gold to penetrate" is exactly why they put those tanks into the game... Its not something to praise gold ammo for. Premium tanks tank needing premium ammo to penetrate is exactly why I left the game long time ago.

[@kuhluhOG]

Actually Jingles, the Tiger Maus doesn't have the Maus turret. The sides of the turret of the Tiger Maus aren't flat, the ones of the Maus are which makes the Maus considerably better at angling the turret than the Tiger Maus. Additionally, the sides of the turret of the Tiger Maus are only 150mm while the Maus has 210mm which, again, gives it quite a leg up (like it, should, it's a tier higher after all). On the other hand, the front of the turret of the Tiger Maus has 300mm of armour while the Maus has only 260mm on the turret front.

[@edwindeleeuw6590]

When you think you're early to react, but a porn bot beat you to it.

[@Will-vd7yb]

I stop watching for awhile and jingle becomes an advocate for the pay for skill crowd. What is the world coming to? Back in my day like 7 years ago i remember this man ripping a new one for the card monkies. All jokes aside i am missing the good old days of watching WOT and than playing it when i am done getting a break from it. Thank you for the memories to wnjoy sir.

[@pauldockins9635]

Amazing

[@MejbiMajonez]

Damn, didn't See a jingles video in ages... I think I left the game in a good moment, wtf are those Frankenstein-looking ahhh tanks?!

[@mikeredrugger]

Well howdy Jingles! Here fairly early again today, one of the few good things about me working night shift now!

[@iamdoingthistobeabletocrea4559]

A tank that requires the usage of gold ammo does not justify the existence of gold ammo because the tank has been balanced that way on purpose.

[@HolgerDK2]

09:41 No he didnt Jingles. The 499 damge was tracking damage from the T-103. The ramming damage was 24 points as shown by the game 1 sek after the tracking damage was listed.

[@seaninness334]

I haven't played for months. I'm getting the feeling this past Christmas was the last gasp of the game in a few different ways. RIP WOT. And now, something completely different. .

[@krle7970]

Elaborate I haven’t played since 2017

[@seaninness334]

@krle7970 when the server population would get low, the quality of play that was already close to excruciating, finally even for me, was intolerable. The gimmicky tanks finally crossed a line for me. Lots of things that had already turned players away years ago.

[@amazingronaldo9656]

24 ramming damage = 500 in Jingles speak. LOL We love you Jingles!

[@RuggedCoyote69]

BEST CONTENT CREATOR 🎉🎉

[@keithplymale2374]

Gold ammo is why I stopped playing this game even when I still had cable net connection. In my opinion it is not a free to play game when you have to pay money for special ammo to be competitive. I knew the vehicles in the game and studied the weak spots but it did not matter because I always got killed by gold ammo before I could do anything.

[@Hell_On_Gaming]

Seeing a Mauerbrecher brings back some good memories. It almost makes me want to redownload the game to trundle about in it some more.

[@Pikilloification]

Why would anyone voluntarily play that piece of garbage?

[@Hell_On_Gaming]

@@Pikilloification Because it was a fun tank. I enjoyed playing it back before I took a long break.

[@namensklauer]

"500 ramming damage" never change jingles

[@Pikilloification]

You gotta give it to the old man, at least he's entertaining

[@TEMPLARKILLER2010]

Damn I love jingles. He used the excuse of using small and low resolution editor preview for making these mistakes, but I think he's just doing it on purpose now. 😂

[@frenchouiaboo816]

"hope you're having a good one!" Jingles how could i be having a good time discovering what a "Tiger-Maus" is...

[@Rebellion90s]

Wait for it, tanks like this one will be appeared in Project CW sooner or later, and it will become the game it's not supposed to be, World of Tank 2.0. WG broke its promises so many times now. I'd say anything can happen.

[@drakko26]

Can't believe I'm gonna say this either but the TIger 2 nowadays is an absolute beast. Way thougher at it's tier than the E75 is at it's one.

[@harmless-kun]

9:47 No no no... Please NOO-...*BOOM*

[@Dasptheraccoon]

I'm sure someone else here pointed this out already, but the Tiger-Maus actually has a better turret face than the actual Maus. Unless its been changed since the lootboxes went down.

[@BaldyTheOnlyOne]

Great match. And the T-103 survived with 3 times the amount of hit points he needed to survive 😛

[@_MrBread]

That tornvagn used up alot of his luck to penetrate the turret twice. Considering it’s an apcr with sub 300mm pen whilst snapshotting the tiger-maus mid turret turn.

[@TheAgamemnon911]

Yea... you can do 500 ramming damage with this frankenstein tank, but you'd need a T-103 shell to push the target into you. :D

[@samarthkulkarni7841]

Howdy Jingles

[@80sAudiSport]

We need some Jingles own-played games I believe...and Dave.

[@nonbinarynerd28]

Damn been a while since I've watched Mr. Jingles

[@linyarin]

Lol, as an arty player I found the loading time, aiming time, accuracy and armour something I'd drool over.

[@hansg9832]

The first penned shot on the BZ was an overmatch on the roof.

[@timberwolfe1645]

GREAT TANK!!! A CLASSIC tier 9 easy to learnthat is matched SUPPORT for the tier 10's it will ALWAYS face

[@russward2612]

Howdy right back at ya, homey. Shana was a beast, but it's easy to be beastly when you have so much armour around you. Yeah, I spelled "armour" in the fashion of the people who invented the language even though I'm American. Please make sure those lovely kitties get treats and scritches aplenty today. And give Rita my best too. Have fun, whenever you get the chance. 🐈🐈‍⬛👑✌️🖖

[@luisbartolo7138]

does 24 damage "holy shit 500 hundred damage" oh jingles

[@corgi_dad]

The other team would have won if that Patton hadn't been screwing around in the low spot and had been on the cap. But it's WoT and there's always at least one like that on your team.

[@retro3564]

when talking about gold ammo, that`s why WG made tanks like the Tiger Maus, so they can sell more gold ammo..it was a time when every tank had a weakspot! i`m sure you remember that old man..:)

[@sylokthedefiled3047]

Very good video, Jingles. Is there any chance for you to return to Armored Warfare and give us some tank reviews/gameplay of that? I loved the information and stories that you gave from the modern vehicles :D

[@user-jm8sy5ox2j]

This tank illustrates one of the problems that wargaming has created specifically to sell gold ammo. 10 years ago in world of tanks, literally every vehicle had weak points modeled on the front of the tank which you could bust through with good aim and game knowledge. Wargaming has long since removed pretty much every frontal weakspot from every tank in this game, meaning that you are forced to use gold to penetrate anything frontally.

[@theisolatedone]

I don't really have a problem with the existence of gold ammo, they are useful against these sort of vehicles. I think of those shells as useful in some situations. The problem is when players use gold ammo against EVERYTHING.

[@rododendron85]

it's Crysler Gf all over again with no weakspots, Wargaming at its finest, trying to squeeze more gold out of us.

[@sgtrock6283]

I often imagine that any tank has no armor with 'gold' rounds. So being a no armored TD, get in the fight an 'W' for the win I guess.

[@stevethegeck0]

Everyone has pointed out the ramming damage being wrong, no one mentioning that the Patton Tank got an ammo rack detonation!

[@christianr9649]

500 dmg with ramming? A good old Jingles moment.

[@youtoob4life]

Honestly, I've never had trouble facing this thing, the lower plate isn't actually as tough as you're preaching. I pen it constantly without gold with T8s and T9s

[@subaquaticsleepwalker7240]

GG well done to Shana. I’m a tier 5/6 player looking forward to the Ferdinand. I love watching higher tier matches to glean some knowledge off the higher tier players. This was a banger. Also I have to say, Jingles you are probably 50% of why I play wot. The commentary and perspective of your videos vibe with my brainwaves. I wanted to say I’m not a fan of the gold ammunition meta either. It seems a transparent money grab. However, I don’t think a tank like this has to be justification for feeding the gold ammunition meta trend. We have been trained by game mechanics to angle the front towards the enemy and fight with our faces but what if a mobile heavy with an average power gun gets around the rear? In other words, fight like a light tank, or a medium fighting a heavyweight. I’m not saying wargaming is not wrong for engineering the gold ammunition money grab. But I do welcome strategic challenges and embrace adaptability. This game, aside from the gold grab, is a much better experience for me than it was in the early days. I’m really enjoying the game these days. Good hunting.

[@Mornomgir]

Everytime i think "maybe wot is fun now" i just watch something like this and go. "nope, still the same".

[@Stuff8522]

I like the title of the video Jingles. However, there is only one "The Beast" when talking about tanks. That would be the venerable T-55. David slew Goliath with a stone.

[@too_s0ber910]

Hey man... Over 9,000 is a classic and will ALWAYS be a good joke!

[@atigerclaw]

"Holy shit he just did 500 ramming damage." Tiger Maus: "Get out of my base!" *BLAM!*

[@Wolfogre]

300mm is no armour at all since everyone does indeed use gold ammo and 128mm hasn't been a viable calibre since Tier VIII or so. But it is a very pretty tank and I wish I had it for aesthetic reasons.

[@lionsvengeance]

Took me way longer than it should have to see that Ultima on the side of the turret .. so this is an Ultra Tiger-Maus!😂😂

[@citylumberjack9169]

The only choice with tanks that have no weak points is flanking them and getting the rear. Being so slow, that's the 'weak spot' of the TigerMaus and other Maus derivatives.

[@ZakWilson]

Of the loot box tanks, it's the Object 752 that has the best stats. The Tiger-Maus looks OP, but its players don't win more games than average.

[@1958PonyBoy]

What the heck is that Monster to his left at 1:00? A Mauerbrecher? It looks like those folks that made the TOG were up to their old tricks again. And that turret itself is longer than some tanks.

[@Some_Guy6]

I know about the theorethical Jagdmaus. Not the Tiger-Maus.

[@gaiuscaesar3841]

Maus turret with a hint of Porches Kingtiger turret shape? This tank is straight from WGs paper-napkin department?

[@ainumahtar]

As with almost everything they added in the last years

[@alextrevino2015]

ramming at 10 mph took so much damage 💀💀

[@RealCaptainJaws]

Jingles mentioning my favorite heavily armored toy: butt tanks.

[@mariodrakos1029]

The effective armor of the lower plate is more like 200mm... the nominal armor is 130mm. The lower plate is a weak spot on the tiger-maus

[@davidturner7577]

yep, that lower plate is cheese

[@davidlabedz2046]

Fun game! Ramming speed in a Tiger-Maus! 😅

[@ryanhicks5371]

Hopefully one day one of my replays will make it in I've emailed several

[@TheGamerUnknown]

Jingles...they made the TANK and the GOLD AMMO. Maybe there shouldn't be gold ammo, *and* tanks like this should have a frontal weakspot, yes? But that option would make much less money...

[@picklejho5833]

Where does Jingles get those effective armor values from...?

[@dp749]

Morning!

[@petermgruhn]

If I had 300mm of "frontal armour" I'd be a bit heavy too. Let's not hold it against either of us.

[@maul485]

I wanted the tiger-maus enough to actually want to play WoT again; then of course they put it behind a gambling wall.

[@jonazanteo]

high tier veteran clubbing

[@davidturner7577]

Lower glacis has 200mm effective armor. Easily within reach of tier 8s.

[@Mojje42]

the biggest fault with "gold ammo" is that it just makes players not think about strategy they just sit in front of each other and fire away round after round until one of them is dead....boring there is something special when one manages to outflank the enemy and force them to try and prevent you from just hitting their weak side/rear armor repeatedly which is why low tier is always more fun then high tier... lots more shenanigans and unexpected play

[@IDiveI11]

I don't understand the algorithm, most of my subscribtions are shown on my KZbin front page, but never Jingles. KZbin will rather show me a 12 year old video with 54 views than the guy i watch daily and i see in my notifications uploaded that day.

[@mikefrmack]

GOOD t see you Jingles been looooong time sorry not into any thing but WOT eh'

[@jarryan2136]

see the problem is that theturret is 220mm on the flat . mg port kind of is a void so the other side is v weak

[@Friday_Monday]

Could've been titled "I can't believe I have to say this" haha

[@MrAcuta73]

The ability of WG to pull fantasy tanks out of their arse is amazing. WTF kind of paper napkin vehicle is that? Wow. 😂 Just waiting for a Japanese TD armed with a Yamato main battery gun and more armor than a Maus. Cuz why not?

[@HardNorthOutdoors]

its worth noting, the turret is thicker then the one on the MAUS..... if only the MAUS had the same one...

[@jarigustafsson7620]

World of speed, autoloaders and gold ammo.

[@nc30guy]

Can be penned through the front drive wheel without gold when angled

[@ceconk123]

Glad to see people haven't realized some obvious tricks I used almost 10 years ago lmao

[@p51cMustangFUYTGIVEMEBACK]

am i the only one that kinda wants a "what if" series where ww2 dragged on and these are the sort of machine just slugging it out on an absolute meatgrinder of a battle field? all the projected german tech the american and soviet heavies tearing each other apart in glorious techgore?

[@sylvercloud6631]

Tiger-Maus has several frontal weakspots, such as a huge weak lower plate and a small weak cuppola (but the tank is tall, so you need to keep some distance to see it). Also side armor is kinda bad. Also just like years ago, flanking is still something that is possible in WoT against big slow heavy tanks. So, no, easy ammo is not mandatory to fight this tank.

[@ainumahtar]

Side armor is not a frontal weakspot

[@sylvercloud6631]

@@ainumahtar Yes and no. I never said it was one, I gave other examples. However side armor is still an important factor in frontal engagements because it can be exploited to damage tanks without going as far as flanking. For instance it's the biggest weakness of the Kranvagn (thin side armor which you can overmatch with most heavy tank guns). If the Tiger Maus overangles just a little, which you tend to do to hide your lower plate, the tip of the side armor becomes a weakness.

[@ainumahtar]

@@sylvercloud6631 Sure, but it's an argument on the level of "countering" CV in wows with "just dodge, lol". There's lots of lane maps where you can't just flank someone aside from going half way around the map, during which time your team will probably already have lost the game because you weren't contributing but relocating. It's an almost pointless argument, because yes, you can "just" shoot these (nearly) weakpointless tanks in the side, but they are designed to almost force you to hit the skill key, wg have been doing this since they released the Japanese heavies.

[@sylvercloud6631]

@@ainumahtar I'll be harsh, but really this is just a skill issue, and that's coming from a player who never fired gold ammo. If you are sitting in front of a tank you can't damage but can damage you, then you are doing something really wrong. Use your brain. Find other things to fight and you can deal with it later when it's alone. Find ways to flank, it's sometimes possible. Or maybe play more aggressively to get close on its side, these tanks are usually not manoeuverable. Or maybe pull back and bait the tank into pushing into a crossfire you set with allies, I've handled some Obj279 and Obj 268 4 this way already (because they often are overconfident). And if they don't push then it means that they are not even doing anything and you can relocate. So please stop believing all tanks are meant to be handled by sitting in front of them and be more creative/strategic. And again, I don't even know what you are complaining about considering that the Tiger Maus has several frontal weakspots exploitable with standard ammo...

[@ainumahtar]

@@sylvercloud6631 As I said, the entire "just flank" argument is just the same as "git gud lol" or "just dodge". It is pointless and hollow, it means nothing, and adds nothing to the argument versus high armor frontal tanks with barely a weakspot to speak of. I know what you're saying, and I don't run into this problem as I don't play wot anymore anyway, and when I did I mained LT, so flanking was my jam, it's just that on some maps you kinda can't get around facing some tanks frontally, because some slab of steel tanks will cut off the one or two lanes on the sides and the middle is a crossfire, which is what the maps and tanks were designed for: to get you to press that 2 key and spend, spend spend.

[@Ushio01]

Does anyone know every weak spot on every tank now? I mean it's not like back when I played and there were maybe 15 lines anymore not to mention premium and special tank spam.