World of Warcraft Journey Part 7 Warbringers Reaction

[@russell9153]

As an alliance player who's main and first character is a night elf the burning of Teldrassil hit me hard. There was a cool in game event were alliance players desperately tried to put out the fires and evacuate civilians which ultimately led to your character losing consciousness from too much smoke.

[@Menhtrol]

That event was so freaking amazing 😆

[@SovereignThrone]

People are so mad about the burning of teldrassil, but, for real, it was the first time it really felt like the Horde and Alliance were really at war. Finally more than posturing.

[@nyizaw8335]

@@SovereignThrone yea I've been playing nelf druid for nearly a decade and this hits hard. I always love the intro of each WoW expansion. But they always ruin it with the money grabbing, time consuming gameplay

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😢

[@lainightwalker5495]

same

[@donovanbeaulne5619]

What I like about Azshara's intro, is to show how grand her empire is until the waves came crashing down (from the perspective of the animation, those waves are incredibly immense) from the sundering. And then....N'zoth....To think she mingled with Demons and then the complete opposite; the void, came to her, to save her and her people.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

That’s a character (Azshara) we didn’t get enough on and would like to know more 🙂

[@ZakhadWOW]

Years later, and the Daughter of the Sea shanty can stil bring me to tears.. THe voice actress for Jaina stepped up and hit a home run out of the solar system. THe other too are also brilliant in their incisive depiction of their core nature.

[@markopalosuo4293]

In last video the voice she heard and the one she was talking with was N'zoth, he corrupts beings to serve him and has been mastermind behind many of events (the cataclysm was all his doing and deathwing was his champion for example )

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Well we did like N’zoth’s dragon 🤩🤩

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

The voice for azshara was one of the old gods, N'zoth (they can brilliantly appear as someone else btw) who was inprisoned there by the titans. another huge lore story btw. Basicly the void lords were so powerfull everyting the approached stopped existing but they wanted to corrupt the universe to endless agony and madness (or as they see it, ultimate freedom and chaos cause they hate the enslavement and "humility" the light demands) so they fight the light by freeing everyone...including minds...causing...chaos by proxy. So the void lords created the old gods to infest worlds and corrupt them. The titans, kinda the gods of order, found out what the old gods were up to and battled them. On Azeroth the old gods were too deeply infesting the world already, and when amanthul ripped one out he almost destroyed the planet, so the titans decided not to destroy the old gods but to weaken and inpirson them. And that worked for a long time, until the old gods influence corrupted the guardians the titans put up and became freed, step by step. One of the titans, actually their general, Sargeras, fought the void lords on many many worlds and ultimately realised, that the void lords cant be stopped, all titans combined cant even keep up with the old gods and the corrupted worlds are places of such suffering that Sargeras wept and started destryoing worlds cause they were beyond healing. when the titans asked him why, he said they cant even stop the old gods, and dfinitely not the void lords (most powerfull things in the kosmos btw) and that the universe is doomed to agony...so hed rather destroy it rather than letting the old gods doom it. The other titans were shocked and thought hes mad (and maybe the old gods influence reached into his mind) and banished sargeras....who then went on to create the burning legion to burn the universe down before the old gods can turn it into hell

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Hmm. So the legion actually had a somewhat good intention? Or just a lesser of two evils thing I guess 😂 Legion should’ve teamed up to take down the old gods 😛

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames well the legion saw it as...better euthanise the universe instead of having it suffering for eternity. though it might very well be that the old gods messed up sargeras mind over time and corrupted him so that he thought all was lost and he wont put up a fight anymore. if shadowlands is the final expansion and blizzard shuts wow down id say the void lords actually do win in the end and the kosmos is doomed. however there was speculation that they will either do wow 2 or patch 10 and have us actually fight and defeat the void lords though that is something not even the titans could do so there would have to me MAJOR shennanigans happening to give mortals that power

[@Halicos93]

@@OrkarIsberEstar i Think wow 2 would be a better choice considering they retconed so much lore and butchered their own game that the full restart and doing it right this time will have to happen cause expansion after Shadowlands would not make sense since the Jailer will unmake the universe.

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

@@Halicos93 yep they either have to retcon the last 2 expansions as never having happened, which id support but doubt theyll even consider, or do a completly fresh start thousand years in the future on a different planet...that i also dont see quite happening as almost all lore characters would be gone and theyd sacrifice almost 30 years of character development. OR they do a time travel one and have us revisit the war of the ancients / shifting sands, but the issue there is that wow races would be extremely limited, humans werent around for either of those, its basicly night elfs, trolls, Tauren...done

[@wahjoejackass5004]

hooo. so to put it simply is that the old gods is like covid spreading, and sargeras instead of curing people that infected he just straight eliminate them to stop spreading.....its like that right?

[@RottingRavenZ]

Jaina is one of my favorite character. Her story caries allot of guilt and not only becasue of her fathers death. She also blames herself not saving Arthas while he was stil "human". There are compilations of her progression that happens after her Warbringer video. I would recomend to watch does if you want to know more about her and her father.

[@NanoLT]

@@forcedge2302 And the dreadlord

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We definitely are interested in more Jaina 😀

[@Amrehlu]

Jaina as a character can be 100% accurately described as, "Attractive token female mage makes every incorrect decision possible at every turn, every time, without fail." She is incompetence manifest, they started to try to redeem her character. Something Blizzard has been doing since Legion with many characters of note because they realized how badly written most of them were up to that point, and are having a like 20% success rate on "fixing" them as it stands. Only one they have actually improved in his entirety was Illidan who went from being a pretty worthless cardboard cut-out of an edgy villain to an anti-hero with a tragic life, unrequited love for his brother's wife (who hates him, like... a lot), God imprisoning, "destiny" defying, martyr. Jaina's journey took her from being an eye-candy anti-racist peace desiring mage that only makes mistakes, to being a bad temper Karen who kinda still wants war and is now kinda a racist mage (she went from "The horde isn't evil" to "We can't trust THOSE people.") that can only make mistakes; however now she has people that stop her from being allowed to follow through with her mistakes. They did a lot of good stuff with her story in BFA, but she is still pretty rough. Blizzard is certainly trying, but maaaaaan 90% of its major lore important female characters are unbearable. Tyrande is a dumpster fire, but she is a dumpster fire because she has a shitty personality intentionally, has seen and gone through a lot of bad stuff, and even though I hate her guts she is probably one of the best female characters... which sucks. It sucks when the best character in a story is one of the ones you hate. Sylvanas was just popular because "hot elf with big boobs and a dark edgy attitude" and people fanboyed over her for no reason, so they made her more important and ever since that began they have been dragging that character through a field of buzzsaws, I actually feel bad for the people who somehow actually liked her and what they've had to deal with up to this point. Even with all that said, the overall story, overarching narrative (the mess that it is right now) is still great to look in on from the outside. WoW has a very nice outer shell, it is a Fabergé egg... just don't look at it too hard cause it is a pretty fragile facade covering up a lot of hollow space, unfortunately. Been a fan since Warcraft 2, still enjoy it... but it has been a rough couple years to be someone that still overall likes it. The Legion expansion was the peak, I really hope whatever energy allowed them to make Legion as great as it was will come back and save some of these characters soon.

[@NanoLT]

@@Amrehlu I see you are a 'characters can't devolve' and 'character development is bad' kinda people. She is one of the few character blizzard has done right

[@suntiger745]

@@forcedge2302 Hard disagree. Arthas was young, powerful and proud, and determined to save his people even if it meant making hard decisions. But because he lacked the experience of an older man, either as a soldier or as a king, his judgement of what was considered a justified hard decision was not the best. Mal'ganis capitalized on this and pushed the young paladin further, forcing him to take harder and harder stances, justified by the end goal of saving his people. At Strathomle, that culminated in the Culling. Yes, Uther is partly to blame here too. He should have offered options to "kill everyone" not just refused the order, because he was an experienced soldier and commander and would have dealt with diseases in the field before. But Arthas crossed the line of 'acceptable losses' there, no question about it. (They should have partitioned Straholme into sections and held one clear sector for their troops and non-infected, and then on a section by section basis cleared the rest of the city, putting potential infected in quarantine until they were cleared, or turned.) The burning of the ships at the frozen shore in Northrend so his soldiers couldn't return home was just him slipping further down the road of no return, with Mal'ganis encouraging him all the way. Uther, Jaina and his people rightly did not stand by him once he went down that road. Could they have done more to stop him or got him to conisider other options? Yes, but I find no fault in them breaking it off when he refused to consider other options than his own hardline ones.

[@vahdoom]

19:00 That's N'Zoth one of the imprisoned Old Gods, he was the one that corrupted Neltharion into Deathwing (the big dragon from Cataclysm) and manipulated a bunch of other nasty things

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks! 🙂

[@dylnfstr]

Warbringers Jaina still gives me chills.

[@kemsari9969]

EVERYTIME when she says "...beware...of ME" i get teary eyed and major goosebumps.

[@FreziodClipsTwitch]

Jainas was gorgeous on release. Finally showed what shes capable of as a Mage. She was so nerfed in a lot of the game until this time. Seeing her absolutely annihilate on the battlefield was a sigh of relief.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎🤟🤩

[@LadyDoomsinger]

I don't think she was really "nerfed" - it's more like, since she was a dedicated pacifist, she refused to actually display the power she possessed.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@LadyDoomsinger Well, that and that Manabomb supercharged her.

[@Alex-dn5ns]

Backstory time! Sylvanas: So, the events that happen between the end of Legion and beginning of Battle for Azeroth are detailed in a book. Haven't read it myself, but from what I understand, tensions began to rise again between the Alliance and Horde with the discovery of Azerite, which is basically the blood of Azeroth that came to the surface after the planet was stabbed. Eventually, it all escalated into Sylvanas attacking and subsequently burning Teldrassil, the home of the Night Elves, one of the Alliance's races, basically becoming a genocidal maniac. Jaina: Jaina is one of the most powerful living mages on Azeroth. She is, originally, from Kul Tiras, which is an island nation famous for its seafaring tradition. She is the daughter of Lord Admiral Daelin Proudmoore, who was the ruler of Kul Tiras as well as Grand Admiral of the Alliance. However, years back, during the Third War, Daelin Proudmoore sailed to Kalimdor, where Jaina went along with survivors of the Scourge's destruction of Lordaeron (Arthas destroying his homeland). Though Jaina was trying to gain the trust of Thrall, the then leader of the Horde, Daelin didn't approve, hating the orcs with a passion and wanting to destroy the Horde once and for all. He waged his own war against them, not wanting to listen to his daughter who tried to explain to him that not all the Horde are as bad as he thought, and eventually, it all culminated in Jaina refusing to help her father in his crusade, or rather, trying to convince him to stop right to the end, where, after he launched himself into a fierce attack, he eventually was killed. Jaina's last words to him were: "Father, why didn't you listen?" which now Jaina turned on herself. What happens here is after Sylvanas' attack on Teldrassil. Following the death of Daelin, Jaina was deemed a traitor by the Kul Tiran nation, which then pulled out of the Alliance and isolated themselves from the world on their islands. And the sea chanty that was once about Jaina, the love and pride of her father, was slowly turned into a chanty about her being a betrayer. Azshara: Queen Azshara was the Queen of the Kaldorei Empire over ten thousand years ago. She, along with many other elves, called themselves Highborne, and they dabbled heavily in magic. Queen Azshara was full of pride and vanity, as were her Highborne, considering themselves superior to anything and anyone. The Kaldorei, back then, drew power from the Well of Eternity, a font of great power found pretty much at the center of the world. It's that which drew in the Legion, and Sargeras, needing a gateway into Azeroth, easily corrupted Azshara, promising her more power and promising to help her erase any inferior races on Azeroth if she let him bring his Legion on the planet. The Kaldorei formed a resistance, with Illidan being one of the prominent figures in it, trying to stop Azshara, but eventually, it all ended in the Well of Eternity becoming unstable and eventually collapsing, sinking a vast portion of the great continent with it, while smaller pieces remained on the surface and became separate continents.The place where the Well stood became known as the Maelstrom. And as Zin-Azshari (the Glory of Azshara), the capital of the Kaldorei Empire, sunk in the depths, so did Azshara along with most of her Highborne. But in the depths, they were saved by N'zoth, who was a creature known as an Old God. Old Gods in WoW lore are heavily inspired by the Lovecraftian mythos. They were creatures sent by the Void Lords (one of the two great powers in the Warcraft universe, with the other being the Light) to attach to Titan world souls, such as Azeroth, kind of like tumors, and corrupt them. There's a whole lot of lore here so I'm just abridging everything, but the Old Gods were eventually imprisoned by the Titans long before even the Kaldorei Empire existed. Well, the rest you saw, N'zoth made a deal with Azshara, and eventually, turned her and her people into Naga, which are sort of like... they're aquatic creatures, a sort of mixture between fish and sea serpents, pretty much. And what was left of Zin-Azshari, sunken into the sea, became Nazjatar, which is their capital. EDIT: Okay, so, to explain a bit further on the whole Kaldorei/Highborne shenanigans, since I realize it looks confusing as shit. So, among the very first inhabitants of Azeroth were the trolls. Like Vol'jin, the late Warchief of the Horde who passed the mantle onto Sylvanas. The trolls weren't all that intelligent. Back then, Azeroth was one huge continent. Think like our Pangaea. At the center of this continent, there was a huge font of raw magical energy. The trolls were drawn to it, and the more they were exposed to it, the more they evolved. Well, the ones that did indeed approach it. And thus, over a long period of time, a good part of the troll population evolved, growing more intelligent and less hideous. They eventually evolved to a point where they started building a society, and named themselves Night Elves. Their physical appearance also changed drastically. Meanwhile, the rest of the trolls split into tribes and began warring with each others, and with the Night Elves, who, in time, continued building their society, relying heavily on the powers of the magical pool around which they built their capital city, originally named Elun'dris (the Eye of Elune) and later renamed Zin-Azshari when Azshara ascended to the throne. From those Night Elves, an elite group stood out, with Azshara at the front, and they named themselves Highborne, because they believed they were superior. These Highborne relied even heavier on the magic of the Well of Eternity, as they named the large pool of magic, than their Night Elf (or Kaldorei, which means Children of the Stars) counterparts. As I said, plenty of lore, you really need to watch some lore videos to get the full picture. Also, anyone, feel free to correct me wherever I'm wrong or oversimplifying too much ahaha.

[@decayeddivinity9916]

This, all of this.

[@genHawkeye]

I would highly recommend they watch some of Nobbel87 lore videos (one of my personal favorites), hell they could do an entire reaction series to it if he is okay with that. but yes, all of this and more soooo much lore. I really hope they watch the Saurfan Makgo'ra video in its entirety for better impact/context (as opposed to the legion one where there was no context for Ysera :( im sure they read the comments and understand more now how sad that part was, but yeah)

[@Alex-dn5ns]

@@genHawkeye There is SO much lore that my abridged version sounds entirely too stupid, tbh. But I tried. So many events that connect with one another that I'd have to write an extensive essay to properly explain things. But yes, the lore videos from Nobbel87 are absolutely amazing.

[@genHawkeye]

@@Alex-dn5ns haha yeah i know but i think you got the main MAIN bits in there, there's no simple way to describe some of the backstory tied to some of these cinematics xD

[@Alex-dn5ns]

@@genHawkeye I had such a hard time trying to explain it and make sense too. I added an edit just now trying to clear up the whole Highborne/Kaldorei thing lmao

[@gerardlacroix6015]

You've seen Azshara in the Suramar city cinematic in Legion. She was the elven leader, which made a pact with the Legion, leading to Suramar retreating under the dome to avoid demons. With this "deal", she tried to summon the Legion's leader, Sargeras - the guy with the giant sword who stabbed the world -, but failed. Her summoning portal exploded and fractured the whole continent. Hence why her capital is being razed by a giagantic tidal wave... But, N'Zoth, the old god held prisonner under the sea, reached to her, seeing a way to free himself. You'll see more of those two soon !

[@Raffalius]

Some people think he didn't fail when he stabbed Azeroth. There are theories that he never intended to deliver a finishing blow on Azeroth. But that he left the sword there for Zovaal.

[@NegroDJ]

To be more specific. Warbringer cinematic shows destruction of Zin-Azshari, capital of Night Elf empire. That what Azshara desire most is power. This is why she made a deal with Sargeras and demons. Huge summong portal was based on Eye of Eternity (huge pond of power), it collapsed) together with Well of Eternity) because of use of Dragon Soul. It had been done by Malfurion Stormrage (brother of illidan) who lead assault against forces of Azshara (events known as the War of the Ancients). Well collapse led to destruction of 80% of (old) Kalimdor continent (it is on the bottom of the ocean now, including Zin-Azshari) and separating rest of the land to few smaller continets - this is how world map looks today. This event is called Great Sundering. In Legion cinematic you see Suramar and Elisande who was the ruler of this city. Suramar remained loyal to queen Azshara, but at the end of war Elisande realized that demons and next summoning portal within this city are not good for Suramar. But it was too late. Well of Eternity collapsed, world shattered including huge part of Suramar. Part of the city survived thanks to huge magic field. All of that happened about 10.000 year ago.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Ah okay. Thanks for pointing that out. Tough to keep track sometimes 🙂🤗

[@Sodacacik]

that was not azshara in the suramar cinematic

[@BattleMonkeyz]

Next you need to watch the Saurfang BfA cinematics. Soooo good and it's all about his disagreement with Sylvanas burning down Teldrassil. Also, that mysterious voice talking to Azshara was N'zoth, an Old God who was locked away for trying to eat the planet pretty much. They are incredibly powerful and really good at corrupting people.

[@OverworkedITGuy]

Actually in story order, Old Soldier would be the next one in the list despite not being the next in Chronological order then the actual BfA Cinematic which leads into the other Saurfang cinematics.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Old gods are always bad in every lore 😨

[@Hootix]

Since everyone has already kindly explained everything to know about these videos. I just wanted to say I love watching your reaction videos.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Aww. Thanks! 🥰☺️🤗🥳

[@trythis2006]

loved the warbringer series, they are all so powerful in their own, especially if you played the games, jainas almost made me tear up. only sylvanas was weird since writing is off for quite a while now but still quite enjoyable! loved your guys reactions, nice video!!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Jaina is a new favorite 🤩

[@nyizaw8335]

Jaina the daughter of the Sea has been with us since the days of Warcraft 3 25 years ago. She's our fav warcraft gal and she used to be girlfriend of Arthas(LichKing). But she never got a chance to show up in the cinematics or cutscenes. Warbringer is her first one and it quickly became the best warbringer for both who knew or didnt knew her story. I think the others will explain her story, she is tragic and a very likeable character.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

She’s the best! 🤩😍

[@Justicar2503]

Summering the warbringers: Elven general twisted and transformed into something she wasnt now trying to inflict the same pain to others. Naive daughter of War veteran with PTSD believing her actions were a mistake because her attempts of peace and hope for a better future failed. Ambitious and power hungry Highborn elf incapable to accept her failure makes a pact she gonna regret.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Good summaries 🙂

[@scorpionlord9175]

so the first one with the tree, the thing is, despite what others will say, she has ALWAYS been like that. she hasn't changed suddenly. the only difference between now and then, she is warchief(at that point), so no longer can people order her to stop using blight, or don't do this, she is in control. and also despite what people say, she didn't change her plans "cause she threw a fit that the elf rebelled". that's a rather simpletons explanation on it. so the basic rundown is this: that place provides shipments to all the alliance. so the plan was to capture, occupy the tree and break the will of the elves. but the elf made it clear, you cant destroy hope, you cant break us. thus, she is like alright then, change of plans, i cant break your hope? we shall see. and as you can tell from the elf's reaction, it had a tremendous effect(thousands of elves died in that fire. if you on alliance, you got quest to run through the burning city and get as many as you can out, but its a hopeless mission where you know most of them will die and your hopeless to stop it). the second one with Jaina. that one takes some backstory. so that song she(and others) are singing is a song made by her people about her and as you can tell, its very negative and says she is basically a traitor that got her father killed. REAL HISTORY TIME: way back then, Jaina was in a different area and her father came to "rescue" her and kill "the savage" orcs, down to the last man, woman and child. now over a period of time of working with Thrall(the leader of the orcs), she realized they were different, that they weren't the enemy, that there was a greater enemy on the horizon and they cant afford to fight. well her father, being the orc hater he was, decided to kill them all. Jaina went to him, trying to desperately convince him to stop, that Thrall and others were different, they are not the enemy. Well he wouldn't listen. So she gave Thrall info on a back way into the fortress. a battle ensued and her father ended up getting killed by Thrall. now this got brought back to Kul Tiras, but leaving out details, such as the orcs acted in self defense, Jaina tried to stop them to broach a peace and that her father was a genocidal psychopath. so all they got was "Jaina bad, she betrayed her father and got our king killed by those savages." Third one, oooooooo boy, that one is a lot to go into, so ill try to be brief. This is when Azshara pulled her summon the demons shenanigans, demons messed with well of eternity, it went boom, split the continents and her city went under. now that fish is called an Old God, he is the last of his brothers/sisters, and his named is N'zoth.(supposedly. people think others aren't actually dead, but we will see). while he is the weakest, he is the smartest though, like to playing mind games and manipulation. so he convinced her to join him and made a deal with her that she would help free him, part of this deal changing her and her people into what you saw. think that covers those 3. it helps if you know backstory and lore to fill in the blanks that are there, such as the second one for example and the story behind that.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Definitely helps with lore and backstory. Jaina seems like one we will do a deep dive on later once our initial journey is complete 🙂🥳

[@Miesha88]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames I'd like to add a couple of things, in particular timelines. The first video of Sylvanas is in the timeline the most recent event. Sylvanas burnt down Teldrassil as a powermove at the start of the Battle for Azeroth, or "The Fourth Great War" as it's called. In terms of videos, this is first and then ALL the other Battle For Azeroth cinematics come afterwards, those being from start to finish: Old Soldier, Battle For Azeroth, Lost Honor, Safe Harbor and finally Reckoning and they tell the story of Sylvanas versus Saurfang, two leaders of the Horde with VERY different opinions on how the Horde should be. The second video, Jaina's song. First up, this is just a beautiful song and Laura Bailey's voice is... Her talents leave you speechless. The tale in the song hails back to The Third War, at this point in time roughly 13 years ago when Jaina was leading the Alliance west to the continent of Kalimdor to escape the undead Scourge and the Burning Legion which was wreaking havoc on the eastern continent, razing entire cities to dust like Silvermoon (Home of the High Elves, which is what happens in Sylvanas' story flashback) and Dalaran, the city of mages. In particular, the events that took place with her father happened after the Burning Legion was defeated and the Scourge retreated to Northrend, when the Orcs were trying to build a land for their own, the Kul'Tiras descended on them believing them no better than the Orcs of the 2nd war a whole 16 years prior (for a total of 29 years before the current time). Their beliefs are not entirely misfounded as the orcs -are- the same orcs as from the 2nd war, its just that they've finally killed their demonic oppressors and freed themselves from the yoke of oppression at the cost of the life of one of their greatest heroes. Jaina believes the orcs deserve freedom and helps them, which gives the orcs the method to succeed. Her father IS given the option to surrender, but chooses to fight to the death. Third video... In terms of timeline, this happens 10,000 years before current events in Azeroth. And yes, the woman is still alive after all those years.Queen Azshara, ruler of the Night Elven Empire which existed for several thousand years and came to an abrupt end during the War of the Ancients, the first time the Burning Legion invaded Azeroth. SHE was the reason they invaded, because the demons promised her power for cooperation and this video shows the aftermath of her hubris. Azshara is easily seduced by power, its her greatest ambition. The city that falls is the capital and the crown of the Night Elven empire, called Zin-Azshari (The Glory of Azshara). That queen's vanity knows no end, as the very land the city resides upon is also called Azshara. Many believe Azshara was fooled by the Old God N'zoth, as he got what he needed from her and she became his willing servant with just a title befitting of her vanity. That said, she is easily one of the most dangerous beings on Azeroth, not to be underestimated. Also to answer you pondering about the voice whispering? That is believed to be N'zoth as well, creeping into Azshara's mind and telling her how futile everything is. Sowing doubts about her own strength. N'zoth is a schemer and manipulator first and foremost, after all.

[@epic-o2215]

Jaina's warbringers is the best and I am glad you also think so. The story here dates back to warcraft 3 which came out in 2002. When the orcs decided to settle in southern Kalimdor, Jaina's father (Daelin Proudmoore) led an expedition and their goal was to eliminate the orcs. Jaina, having just fought a campaign alongside the horde and night elves to kick out the second demonic invasion from Azeroth did not approve of her father's actions. She knew that orcs and humans could work together, and her friendship with Thrall (the horde leader) meant she was put in a difficult position of siding with her family and pursuing genocide of the horde or side with her friend and fight for peace. Jaina ultimately chose to provide aid to Thrall, and was present at the moment her father was killed by the horde, hence the "stood aside" verse in the shanty. Her father watched her side with the orcs in his final moments. Her entire nation and family turned on her immediately and this became a popular shanty in their culture. Kul Tiras is a maritime nation and is most well known for their navy (mostly led by proudmoore family whose members traditionally carry the title of lord admiral of the kul tiran navy) this is why Jaina is referred to as the daughter of the sea. Jaina never regreted her choice, until 10 years later (real time) when Garrosh Hellscream, the warchief of the horde nuked the city of Theramore, killing almost everyone, including one of Jainas best friends who manages to teleport her out before the nuke goes off, which traumatized her. Theramore was Jaina's city and they were neighbors of the horde and mostly tried to keep the peace between the alliance and horde. Why Garrosh did this is a long story as well, so I won't get into that. What you are seeing here is the end of a character arc Jaina went through during mists of Pandaria where she wanted to dismantle the horde completely, and this is the end of the journey where she revisits the ruins of Theramore and resolves to rejoin the alliance. Right after this, she flies this boat, yes flies, (magic!) into battle at the siege of Lordaeron to provide firepower against the horde and literally saves the Anduin, the king of stormwind from dying, twice. Bonus note: She is unaware of the burning of Teldrassil (the tree) until she joins the battle at Lordaeron and confronts Sylvanas with the king of Stormwind. This battle was the Alliance's retaliation for the genocide of the night elves. Tyrande, the night elf leader, is one of her best friends, so needless to say she was very shocked and extra furious at the horde because they committed genocide, AGAIN.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Jaina is a character like Illidan that we want to do a deeper dive on at a later point ☺️

[@Quetzen]

GASP! You're almost at the end of this amazing journey! Battle for Azeroth has a LOT of cinematics and a ton of story into it... Thankfully there aren't TOO many stories, but I remember watching a compilation of all the BfA cutscenes, close to an hour of content. Oof! There's a few things you've never seen before. Queen Azshara, the Naga, the Old Gods... We're talking eldritch monsters, here. manipulators from behind the scene monsters. Truthfully, they've been in the series since Warcraft III, but none really appeared until the Ahn Qiraj raid, where these manipulating monsters exist in deep, buried tombs. Let ancient evil lie, people! And if you're curious about the whole "started out good then became melancholic, then weirdly super evil", remember Garrosh Hellscream from the Pandaria story. He, too, started out as a very grieving boy, grew into a strong warchief, then got drunk with power and so on. Once more, love it when you respond to my messages, I LOVE the Warcraft lore. (Up til the most recent expansion, and apparently I'm not the only one sharing this sentiment) You guys are adorable, looking through it with this thirst for fantasy. Warcraft has had its downfalls and weird bumps, but it's never once put a block on my interest. I guess you can call it a love for change. Can't have 9 expansions of a game with just humans fighting orcs, right!? Say, do you guys run a Discord or something?

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We don’t have a discord. No time to properly run it right now but we hope to have one set up in future. And BFA does have a ton of content so we are breaking it up into two parts and even then we aren’t able to get to everything 😅

[@pogost1ck202]

Every time I visit this channel I always leave with a smile. Good work both of you!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Puts a smile on our faces reading that 😊☺️🙂

[@adams5613]

Been waiting so long for you two to watch Jaina. That song it so beautifully haunting.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Good description of song 🤩

[@Nightwalk444]

Yup, Arthas tortured and turned Sylvanas into a banshee. The tear make up is there because she was crying during the transformation.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

That’s cool. For as much as we’ve learned. Didn’t know that about the tear 🙂

[@ImperialKnight770]

That song Jaina sang was about how she stood by and watched her father get slain by the horde. She tried to make him see reason but he was hell bent on wiping them out and in the end, that anger cost him the lives of his men and himself.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😢

[@Gruber122]

yay video thingies. I like how he leaves Azsarah to wait until she is about to black out just to let them know who holds the power

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😈😁

[@lordeppiothe1]

the last video, the voice came from the fishy, which was one of N;zoths avatars. it's an old forgotten god that fights for dominance over azeroth, or pretty much all worlds. he is called N'zoth the corrupter for a good reason. his plans end up serving only himself. there are several different of these old gods fighting both the heroes and eachother. its heavely based on H.P Lovecraft cosmic horror.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Can see the lovecraft inspiration 😯🤩

[@matthewpick2342]

The burning tree, the daughter of the sea & the queen she shall always be.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

That Sylvanas trailer is still my favorite trailer from the game, its absolutely brutal and really sets up the events to come.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

It definitely is brutal 😱

[@randomperson5731]

The last video is a major lore moment that was explained for the first time in that video. Like azshara has been a background baddy and a major lore character since the original Warcraft RTS games. We never knew the exact nature of azshara joining n'zoth until here, we knew her and the naga were working for N'zoth. But not to what end. It's hard to explain how big of a moment that was to some fans of the franchise.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

It’s cool getting this history of the players and which moments hit the hardest 🙂😀

[@Aceries_]

Yay! So glad to see you cover more WoW content. I know the company is pretty contentious atm, but the storytelling is A+ and some of my favorite among video games. Looking forward to more from my favorite nerdy couple.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks so much, Rachel! 🥰☺️🤗 And we have more WoW reactions coming next week as we finish up our initials journey 🥳

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

To jaina - also kinda tragic that one. So originally the prophet approached her to lead her people to Kalimdor to safety and so she did, she befriended Thrall and the orcs who just sought to escape extinction, and they became friends. Her father and brother, king and prince of the kingdom of Kul Tiras, saw the orcs near their shore and sarted attacking them, keen on wiping them out for what the orcs did, under demonic influence, in the first and second war. Jaina tried tio convince them that the orcs changed and deserve a chance, her father, being bitter from the losses caused by the orcs in previous wars, decided to attack them anyway and jaina joined p with the orcs to protect the innocent greenskins...ending up causing the death of her father and brother in the process and becoming exiled in her homeland. (not to mention she was once arthas lover before he turned lichking) and to add....when garrosh became warchief he betrayed jaina and nuked - with a manabomb - her city that she built, killing most people she loved and thats when she turned against the horde and became the warmonger she is today. and in the bfa expansion alliance players follow her redemption arc when she kinda makes up to her people and is first, sentenced to death and uinprisoned and in the end forgiven when she uncovers, that her fathers and brothers deaths were not actually on her count but he was driven by a far darker power because of a traitor inside the ruling nobility. That said, Jainas journey in wrath of the lich king fighting her great love was way more heartwrenching. Man how hard she tried to save arthas and still loved him...and he was superangry with her for turning away from him and she realising, that she couldnt have followed him on this dark path...and he cant turn back. Theres an epic questline where you find out all the details, why arthas deed was actually a good one after all and that a part of him that needed to be locked away, still loved jaina

[@seanh1321]

Spoilers for bfa there, they're still going to react to the in-game cinematics.

[@luigizg]

Jaina's older brother, Derek Proudmoore, died way before the events you are mentioning. He died during a battle in the Second War, when the demonic corrupted Horde used dragons to burn the Kul Tiran fleet. Of course this event just made his dad even more hateful towards the current Horde.

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

@@luigizg oh right got that mixed up sorry ^^

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We just watched her redemption arc actually. Reaction for first half of BFA is coming Monday 🥳

[@neelis42]

For your question on who was talking to Azshara: it was the Old God N'Zoth whispering to her using her own voice against her. He was one of the Old Gods that ruled the planet before the Elves and other beings began to evolve on Azeroth, specially ruling over the seas, hence why he could talk through the fish and turn her and her people into the Naga.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks! 🙂

[@cairne3696]

Well, I will give my explanation as well down here: Sylvanas. This one is pretty straight forward, after she became the Warchief of the Horde, she led an attack at Teldrassil, a Great Tree and a capitol of Night Elf, they are at war so it makes sense, however, what she did after winning the battle, was she burned the tree with innocents inside, in order to crush the hope of Alliance, which was an extremely cruel act. To be honest, it was not her first choice, she did not plan on exterminating innocents, but instead on assassinating Malfurion (Archdruid of the Night Elf, and Illidan's brother, you probably remember the guy by now), which she assigned Saurfang to do, however, Warrior did not fulfill the task when he had the opportunity, and instead let Malfurion live because "it was a honorable thing to do" Yes, Sylvanas was killed by Arthas, and then forced to serve him as a Banshee, after numerous circumstances, she broke free, and her purpose was to eliminate Arthas once and for all. Unfortunately, Arthas fell without her input, as such she lost her purpose and killed herself... she got brought back, but visit in afterlife changed her... I am getting in spoiler territory so I wont go any further here. Second Warbringer is Jaina, a major player since the very beginning of Warcraft journey. She is a very complex and depressing character, but I will try to give as brief summary as possible, to do that, I will split her story so far into 3 acts. Act 1 - Youth. Jaina started off as a magical adept of royal lineage, daughter of the ruler of Kul Tiras, Human country with greatest navy on Azeroth. As a royal, she spend a lot of time with prince of another nation, Arthas, whom I bet you know all too well. They grew up as friends, and later on as lovers. When plague started to conquer Azeroth, Arthas asked Jaina to assist him on the investigation to find cause of the plague. Long story short, once they arrived at plagued city, where citizens were about to turn undead, and Arthas chose to purge the city while they are not a threat yet, both Jaina, and Uther (mentor to Arthas) abandoned him, unable to assist him in performing such an act. It is possible, Arthas would not have turned into the Lich King, if Jaina stood by his side, and this thought haunts her. Act 2 - Leader. Jaina, was also the one who listened to Medivh, and led humans to Kalimdor, away from the Burning Legion, on her path, she crossed path with Orcs, and learned they are not savages, most humans believe they are, however, her father did not believe it, and Jaina was forced to choose, alliance with Horde, or her own father. She knew her father would never stop his pursuit against the Horde, so she chose to stand aside, while Horde killed him. She was called a traitor by her own people, and got banished. Act 3 - Despair When Garrosh ruled the Horde, he started a full out war, during that period, he literally nuked Theramore, a nation, Jaina considered her new home, all destroyed. In the process, she was saved only because her mentor teleported her out of the city, sacrificing himself in the process. At this point, Jaina turned into a warmonger, some of the mana bomb (nuke) blasted her, and it is possible influenced her mind directly, it is represented by change of her hair color (from blonde into white with a blonde strand) Whether it is indeed the cause, or was her suffering just too great to endure, Jaina began her crusade to destroy the Horde. In this cinematic we can hear her despair because she betrayed her father, and she believes she was wrong all along, it is represented by "I'm listening now, father". Her rising the ship, is her preparation for what is to come. I wont speak much of Azshara part, since others already gave good explanation, especially Orkar Isber in another comment on the background of "The Voice" Lastly, I would like you to pay attention to Saurfang, whose arc you are about to watch. Please after watching The Old Soldier trilogy, give me your take on honor of his, because while he is great and all, his representation of honor, very often seems... convenient. After all, if he followed orders he was given, many atrocities such as burning of Teldrassil, would have been avoided. Thanks a lot for great reaction, and I am waiting til next week!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Appreciated the three act breakdown of Jainas story 😀

[@wahjoejackass5004]

i think Garosh didnt approve the Theramore bomb, my memory a bit vague.

[@JB-ci8fc]

@@wahjoejackass5004 Nah, he didn't approve of bombing a druid school in Stonetalon back in Cataclysm. He apparently changed his mind afterwards, since the bombing of Theramore has been stated to have been entirely his idea.

[@rogoth01themasterwizard11]

some context to keep in mind regarding the Azshara cinematic, her attempts to 'save' her people were not out of altruism or any sense of loyalty, all she was doing was defending her 'things', she is extremely narcissistic and extremely controlling of her property, in this case the people of her kingdom, it's also why she was so quick to offer them up as a sacrifice to the old god N'zoth as a bargaining chip for her to gain yet more power and status after his bargain.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for pointing that out. She seems like a villain. But a fascinating one 🤩😀

[@ColinPoole]

EVERY time I get chills at "Can't I?"

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😁

[@darius2372]

I love that you reacted to these, you're the best!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😊🤗☺️🥳

[@TheRealRealMClovin]

Arthas Menethil and Jaina Proudmore have been one of my favorite characters in warcraft and Arthas is my absolute favorite. It just makes it more sad cuz of their relationship and how it went too with Arthas sad story. The backstory of the song(wont say too much, just as the lines say) but basically Jaina was the daughter of a king that ruled kingdom called Kul Tiras, which are master seamen and at sea warfare. Her father did something she did not agree with and left his side resulting in the orcs killing him when Jaina was loving the orcs/horde and tried working together with them. Now after some shits had happen to her where she lost the love and the trust for the horde and the orcs, which to be honest can't blame her. She realize her father was right and why she says "I'am listening now father" and she has to return to Kul tiras, which is the home of her people she betrayed(BTW this is a song made by the Kul Tirans, so yeah they don't like Jaina much).

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Well she at least tried to make peace and knows that no matter what she has to do now, she tried another way 😇

[@shiranuic9547]

I have been waiting for this reaction video from you guys, thank you!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Our pleasure 😊🥳

[@Sarik0497]

Some fun, but interesting facts about N'Zoth (the "fish"), if you're interested; As a lot of people have already said, he's an Old God, one of the four on Azeroth. Before the Titans arrived and imprisoned them (with the exception of Y'Shaarj. More of that later), there was a clear power struggle between the four. The four Old Gods was ranked in terms of raw power like this; Y'Shaarj, Yogg-Saron, C'thun and then N'Zoth. Y'Shaarj, known as "Rage Unbound", was the absolute most powerful of the four, controlling a major chunk of central Kalimdor. - When the Titans arrived, and created the Titan-forged to combat the Old Gods, He was the only one who couldn't be stopped, enduring endless waves of the Titans' creations, which led to Aman'thul, the leader of the Titans, having to tear him off the surface of the planet. - Unfortunately, this resulted in the area where Y'Shaarj was torn out of becoming a massive bleeding wound, creating what would later be known as the Well of Eternity. On top of this, Y'Shaarj had, with his dying breath, cursed the lands around him, giving rise to the 7 manifestations of himself; the Sha of Anger, Hatred, Violence, Fear, Doubt, Despair and Pride, all of whom would become a major part of Mists of Pandaria's story. However, after Garrosh recovered and absorbed the remainder of Y'Shaarj's heart (which had been kept underneath Pandaria for some reason), his final death had at last come, and the Sha were vanquished forever. Picture of Y'Shaarj, if you're interested: static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/3/36/Y%27Shaarj.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160331192222 Yogg-Saron, known as the "God of Death", was the 2nd most powerful, and the most powerful of the living Old Gods on Azeroth. - His domain was in the uppermost parts of Azeroth, in the area now known as Northrend (almost right next to where the Lich King resided, in fact). He was revealed in the 2nd expansion of WoW, Wrath of the Lich King, and was still bound in his titan-made prison, in the titan-facility known as Ulduar. - However, like with the other Old Gods, it's almost impossible to truly them, so he was merely defeated, now being unable to physically manifest in his body. However, his whispers and tentacles are still present near his prison. Picture of Yogg-Saron: static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/3/39/Yogg-Saron_Dungeon_Companion.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1294?cb=20210323102724 C'thun, known as the "Old God of madness and chaos", is the 3rd most powerful, and is probably the most well-known of the four for outside viewers of the game, as not only one was he the first Old God to be revealed and fought (being added in 1.13., which in short means the 13th patch of "Vanilla WoW", so it was even before the first expansion, The Burning Crusade, which was 2.0). - The reason for him being so well-known is that not only was his appearance incredibly unique compared to previous bosses of WoW, but he was also supposedly mathematical impossible to defeat at first, as some of the best players back then actually calculated the amount of damage and healing that would be needed to be done in order to defeat him, and that number was impossible to achieve, even if every single member of the group performed their duties flawlessly, so he wasn't defeated by a single person until Blizzard decided to nerf him a bit. -Due to all of this, he's still considered one of the hardest bosses of all time in any video game, as it's still debated whether he was truly unbeatable prior to his nerfs or not, as people have learned a lot more about the game since then. - Lorewise, he ruled over the south westernmost part of Azeroth's contient, until he was, like Yogg-Saron and N'Zoth, beaten by the titan-forged and imprisoned in a titan-facility. His prison, Ahn'Qiraj, lies in the zone today known as Silithus. A name you might find familiar, as this is the exact same place that Sargeras stabbed Azeroth with his sword in the last cinematic of Legion. Picture of C'thun: static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/5/59/C%27Thun.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160406234009 And now we get to N'Zoth, known as "the Corruptor", and for a good reason. - As N'Zoth was the weakest of the four Old Gods on Azeroth, he had to far more subtle and clever with his approach in order to be triumphant over his rivals, as he knew he couldn't win by brute force alone. This made N'Zoth likely the most tactical and intelligent of the four gods, and this would be clearly shown during WoW's timeline. - Like the other old gods, with the exception of Y'Shaarj, of course, N'Zoth was defeated and imprisoned by the titan-forged in a titan-facility whose name is unknown to us, and its location as well until recently. I won't spoil too much of what is to come, but just know that unlike the rest of the Old Gods, his prison was far closer to the Well of Eternity, and therefore far closer to Azshara than the rest. - Unlike the rest of the Old Gods, who were known to not be afraid of making a lot of noise trying to escape their prison, typically resulting in us discovering and defeating them, N'Zoth instead patiently waited, looking for opportunities that'd lead to his release. - This meant that quite a few of the story's major conflicts happened because of him. Notable events include the Emerald Nightmare (basically a corruption of the green dragonflight, creatures of the dream, and druids), the creation of the Naga (as you saw in the video, which is actually the same serpentine race that Illidan called upon back in Warcraft 3, if you recall), and the Cataclysm, as it was revealed back when the expansion was announced that N'Zoth was the one "paying Deathwing's paychecks". - This also meant that N'Zoth is the first (and so far only) Old God to be revealed and not be defeated in the same expansion, as C'thun, Yogg-Saron and Y'Shaarj were all revealed and defeated in their respective expansions/patches. In fact, N'Zoth was not physically shown at all in-game until 10 years later, in Battle for Azeroth. Picture of N'Zoth: static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/9/90/N%27Zoth_Hero.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210127131404 Here's also a picture of how the Old Gods' territories looked like prior to the arrival of the Titans: static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/e/ed/Black_Empire_Kalimdor.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20180325104143 Also worth noting is that the Old Gods are massive. In fact, it's likely that their tentacles reached as far as their territories as shown in the picture above. Imagine if on Earth, there was a living being in North America, whose body extends from the uppermost part of Canada/Denmark all the way down to the southernmost part of Chile. It's just insane to imagine. To make a long story short, N'Zoth is far more clever and tactical in his approach compared to his brethren whose arrogance eventually led to their own defeat. Not only did this give us a far better look at how manipulative the Old Gods truly are (and how gullible our characters really are), but it also led to some interesting events (which you'll see all about in the Battle for Azeroth cinematics). This even led to quite a few people still questioning whether or not he has a finger in the current events of the game, and that perhaps he's still playing us around. I really apologize for the long wall of text, but it's difficult to describe the Old Gods in a short way without just saying "They're big, ugly and they can make you insane", but I hope that it was at least interesting enough for you to read without getting completely bored out of your mind. Besides that, I really enjoyed watching your reactions to these 3 trailers. Battle of Azeroth is gonna be a great treat for you guys, if you like the lore of WoW, as it has a ton of CGI-cinematics in it (I believe over an hour of just CGI-cinematics, excluding all the ingame cinematics), so you'll have a much easier time understanding the lore of the expansion compared to the previous ones where only a few specific moments were shown as cutscenes. And if you, after getting through all of the WoW-related cinematics up until the current stuff, decide that you want more of it, I'd absolutely recommended that you try and watch some of Platinum WoW's stuff. He makes a lot great videos ranging from 15 to 30+ min about the lore in a much more interesting and often hilarious way compared to just reading about it. His topics ranges from anything like the creation of humans and gnomes to the reasoning behind why we fight certain groups of mobs and bosses. I rarely like to suggest videos for people to react to, as I want them to watch the ones they find interesting and not just do it because some random guy on the internet said it, but from what I've seen in general in all of your videos, you'd most certainly enjoy his stuff as well. =)

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for all the info on the old gods and for sharing the picture as well! Also “Rage unbound” is our favorite nickname for the olds gods and no wonder they are the strongest 😁

[@Sarik0497]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Glad to be of help ^^ Forgot to mention that if you'll get quite a bit of Jaina stuff in Battle for Azeroth as well (some of it is incredibly emotional, and probably some of my favorite cut-scenes), so there's something else to look forward to. =)

[@Daralyndk]

Jaina's video as a Sea Shanty is one of my most favorite until today...and back in a day it gave me so much hope for BfA ...well we know how it ended

[@hungout3905]

So excited to see you watch the saurfang cinematics!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

☺️🤩

[@Legendary1xandir]

The creature talking to Ashara is an old god named nzoth. Jaina is walking through her destroyed city of Theramore btw. Sylvanas was a high elf ranger general and was killed and raised by arthas aka the lich king then she later breaks free of the lich kings control. Hmu if you want more specifics on other past videos :)

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks so much for the info and answering our questions we had 😀

[@knostic]

Fun fact: The voice of N'Zoth is Darin DePaul who is also the voice of Reinhardt in Overwatch.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Oh nice! And Revenant in Apex Legends 😀

[@gorgeouszan]

Jaina cliff notes - During the third war against the Scourge, Jaina led refugees of the Alliance across the sea where ultimately she teamed up with the Horde to defeat the Burning Legion and Scourge. After this she became a strong proponent of peace between the Horde and Alliance. The Horde at this time was trying to establish a home for itself away from the Alliance, but when Daelin Proudmoore, Jaina's Father, came looking for her he immediately attacked the Horde. Jaina tried to stop him but he refused and was prepared to start another war. The Horde did not want a war, but they also couldn't just ignore Daelin. In the end in exchange to agree to spare the citizens of Theramore, Jaina's city, Jaina agreed to open the gates to the city and let the Horde storm it, then stood aside as they killed her father. Fast forward some years and for various world-threatening reasons the leadership of the Horde changed and Garrosh Hellscream was in control. Conflict was on the rise due to dwindling resources and Garrosh unfortunately only knew how to solve things with violence. Despite the long-standing peace, since Theramore was a shelter for Alliance forces, Garrosh attacked the city and ultimately bombed it into oblivion with Jaina being one of the only survivors. All the sacrifices she made for peace flung in her face, Jaina sank into a rage and depression and for quite a long while was actually the biggest proponent for War, even committing war crimes on civilians. The Warbingers videos take place at the start of the Fourth War, at a point where Jaina is attempting to come to terms with her rage and steadily becoming victim to her survivor's guilt where she is no longer outright pining for war but at the same time not ready to just accept peace for peace's sake.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for the cliffs notes version on Jaina 😀

[@coojw777]

you guys should get into and learn the heirarchy of beings in the world of warcraft lore. it will help understand things like who the old gods are who were whispering to azshara, who the titans are. Its super interesting

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We definitely plan to continue with WoW after our journey and getting deeper into character and specific story lines and the lore 😀🤩

[@ariochiv]

The Jaina Warbringers was really cool. Probably the best thing about that whole expansion... which is not saying much. :D What's especially cool is that Jaina's part is sung by the same actress that provides her voice in-game. She's quite a singer.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Damn. She is a good singer 😯🤩

[@Tazkar]

Azshara's takes place 10,000 years ago after the Well of Eternity was destroyed, she had made a pact with the demons letting them invade Azeroth. The female whispering to her was most likely still N'zoth(The God of Nothing as she put it), as N'zoth is an old god, basically a C'thulu like eldritch being and they tend to whisper to you, often in ways you don't realize its them, trying to slowly make you go insane and twist you into being their servant. Jaina's is a song that Kul Tirans know now that is a bit of a misnomer of history, its what they think happened. But the reason Jaina stood aside and let her father die was because she was trying to forge peace with the Horde and her father was quite literally not listening and being a warmonger. She didn't want him to die, but she also recognized he was literally trying to restart war. Ofcourse the Kul Tirans think she betrayed her nation and sided with the 'warmongering orcs'. Though after how Garrosh blew up her city of Theramore she started to become a bit more vengeful to the orcs because every time she tried for peace she got bit. Sylvanas, while this is the first you've seen of her being 'dark' in these cinematics, she's been like this ever since she was turned into a Banshee. She's betrayed others and worked for her own goals for a long time. The good honorable person she was basically died when Arthas stabbed her with frostmourne and ripped her soul out of her body turning her into a Banshee. Ever since then her morals have been rather...fluid.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for the extra background on each character in the Warbringers 😀

[@Mirikal]

Oh Jaina, my heart. It should be noted that "Daughter of the Sea" is a old Kul Tiran lullaby sang to children and that the lyrics were altered after the death of the Lord Admiral to turn the people of Kul Trias against Jaina in a political move and bid to seize power over the ruling family. She is a Princess of that nation. If you have a chance, bear witness to Laura singing this live at Blizzcon '18. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5uZfJVnodunrqs

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for sharing the link! 😀

[@samuelengle3773]

And have some tissues ready...it is more profound than the video here.

[@griseldao.g.blanco3959]

Azshara caused the War of the Ancients which was 10,000 years ago. If you remember from Legion the Surumar storyline and Thalyssra saying “our Queen brought it all to ruin.” She was the one trying to bring Sargeras into the world (the Titan that plunged his sword into Azeroth) the first time around, and she almost succeeded . . . most of the demon army had made it into Azeroth. However, in doing so many Night Elves began rebelling (including Illidan Stormrage and his brother Malfurion Stormrage and their friend/love interest Tyrande Whisperwind). Azshara and her Highborne needed immense magical energy to bring in the Fallen Titan and eventually the portal being fueled by the well of eternity became overloaded. The well of eternity imploded in on itself and caused a huge sundering of the entire land (breaking it into different continents-at one time the land was a singular continent before the collapse). The sundering was what was shown cast over Zin-Ashari (Azshara’s Capital where her Palace was) at the beginning of her Warbringer Trailer. If you remember back to Burdens of Shaohao he protected Pandaria and shrouded it from the sundering. So it was unscathed by both the first legion invasion and subsequent sundering of the land. Azshara’s capital was at the heart of the well so despite her efforts the entirety of the Kaldorei (Night Elf) empire essentially went under. Suramar was a notable exception because at the last minute they harnessed the nightwell’s energy with a powerful artifact that shrouded Suramar from the well’s collapse; however, by sustaining themselves and feeding off their Nightwell ,the alternate Gul’dan (from Draenor) was able to find Suramar (believed to be in ruins, but actually untouched). This brought the legion back to Azeroth. Their leader, Elisande, who at one time was a high ranking Highborne under Azshara, struck a deal with Gul’dan and the legion, which led to a civil war of sorts in Suramar . . . ultimately ending in Elisande and Gul’dan’s deaths. Azshara and many of her Highborne night elves who stuck around were “saved.” They were transformed into Naga following her deal with N’zoth who was the old god imprisoned beneath the well of eternity. Azshara for centuries was believed to have died, until the Naga began appearing and speaking of their Queen and lives as Highborne . . . one of these Naga was Lady Vashj who was one of Illidan’s lieutenants . . . but before serving Illidan she was Azshara’s Chief Hand Maiden. Another of Illidan’s lieutenant’s with some ties to Azshara was Kael’thas Sunstrider. Kael is the grandson of a Highborne defector who left Azshara’s ranks during the War of the Ancients. His grandfather betrayed Azshara after releasing Tyrande Whisperwind from Azshara’s captivity following an assassination attempt by Azshara’s handmaiden, Lady Vashj, during the War of the Ancients. You saw both Vashj and Kael in Burning Crusade cinematics. Another fun fact: the Lich dragon that was brought up in the Wrath cinematic is Sindragosa who died during the War of the Ancients fighting against the Highborne Elves and the Legion. Neltherion (Death Wing) turned the dragon soul on his dragon brethren, the legion, Azshara’s Highborne, and the rebelling night elves mid-war. This caused the dragons catastrophic damage (Malygos’s blue dragon flight taking the brunt of the damage. Sindragosa-Malygos’s consort-was blasted into the frozen wastes of northerend where Arthas would resurrect her many centuries later). Which Neltherion did this because he was driven mad by the Old God, N’zoth, who was the one that changed Azshara and her people. Both Deathwing and Azshara are what he would consider pawns. Neither Azshara nor N’zoth fully trust one another. Another of Azshara’s high ranks you saw in a legion cutscene: Xavius (the satyr who plunged the red crystal into Ysera the green dragon, corrupting her). Xavius was one of Azshara’s Highborne before being transformed into the first Satyr by Sargeras. He was the first of the Highborne elves to make connection with the fallen Titan Sargeras. This connection is what led to Azshara finding out about Sargeras and wanting to bring in the Fallen Titan to essentially “purify the world” which meant slaughter anyone not deemed as powerful . . . when the Well Collapsed and Azshara’s plan failed she was in genuine shock and this is what led to her screaming “this was not the deal I made.” It is also why when she was drowning she began hearing “this is your fault,” “you betrayed us,” “you destroyed everything.” She was realizing that the sacrifice of her people (“no, my people . . . “), her empire, and now herself, was all in vain. Sargeras was not coming and she had been outplayed . . . Mainly outplayed by herself and her underestimation of the rebel group (largely made up of Highborne defectors, low borne night elves, Tyrande Whisperwind and the Sister’s of Elune-a religious sect-Illidan Stormrage, his brother Malfurion Stormrage, other races, the dragons, and wild gods). As you can see from that description the War of the Ancients was essentially the world vs. Azshara, the demons, and Azshara’s Highborne Elves. Azshara was quite delusional and actually saw herself as a perfect mate for Sargeras. Up until the very end of the war she was in her palace with her hand maidens pampering herself for Sargeras’s arrival. While delusional she was still extremely powerful. One of the main demon lieutenants, Mannoroth, estimated that she was on equal footing to Kil’jaedan (the red demon you saw in the Tomb of Sargeras legion trailers) and Archimonde (who you saw in a warlords of draenor trailer)-which also means that she was more powerful than Gul’dan. Illidan was able to sense powers due to his transformation by Sargeras, and detected extremely potent and powerful magic brimming from Azshara and this was all pre-transformation from the Old God N’zoth. It was speculated that at one time Azshara, along with her people, could “rival the Titans themselves.” The reason Azshara is in Battle for Azeroth is because the time has come to fulfill her end of the bargain. At that point, the beings of Azeroth had not seen the queen for 10,000 years. Azshara essentially has had her hand in causing the most widely felt lore event in Warcraft history, one of which had a trickling effect throughout most of the lore. The War of the Ancients actually has a trilogy of novels dedicated to it. Also something to note, which is super important to remember, Azshara’s Warbringer cinematic was a glimpse in Warcraft’s history that took place 10,000 years ago. Sylvannas’s was a mix of a past event (her death at the hands of Arthas) and current (burning of the Night Elf tree). Janina’s was a present one, Jaina and Azshara know nothing of each other personally; however, Jaina like everyone on Azeroth knows of Azshara because she was one of the most, if not the most, prominent person in Azeroth’s history . . . Mainly because many know of Azshara because characters that are still alive in the universe like Tyrande, Illidan, Malfurion, Xavius (presumed deceased after Legion), Lady Vashj (deceased after Burning Crusade) and Thalyssra of Suramar, had all at one time been under Azshara’s rule (10,000 years ago) and were a witness to the devastation she caused. Wild Gods like Ursoc (who you will see in the Afterlives cinematics) and the dragon aspects and their flights all fought against Azshara and her Highborne in that piece of history as well. Also, each faction of elves are all descendants from Azshara’s original Kal’Dorei empire . . . Like the Night Elves of present, the Blood Elves/Sin’dorei who branched away from the Night Elves, and the Shal’dorei-the Surumar Night Elves transformed by living under the Nightwell’s protection for 10,000 years- (although many of them are not descendants but were under Azshara’s rule before at the last minute bowing out of the war and deciding to protect their city). “The tomb of Sargeras”, was actually at one point the “Temple of Elune” where the sisters of Elune (who Tyrande headed) practiced their worship . . . in the first legion invasion Azshara had the temple transformed into a staging ground for a second portal to usher in demons using Suramar’s Night Well-the reason might have been that Azshara was actually jealous of her people’s worship of the deity Elune . . . a being other than herself in the sunken Temple there are actually statues of Azshara in it . . . When the Well of Eternity collapsed the shrouding magical barrier that formed around Suramar did not reach the temple and it sunk in the collapse. Also, Azshara was happy with the bargain, it gave her more power, which is what she craves . . . plus she is crafty. She isn’t one to “serve.” Also, a lot of people who react to this are somewhat confused and think N’zoth caused the sundering that wiped out the city . . . which is definitely not the case. N’zoth played a part in the War of the Ancients in so far that he began manipulating death wing and caused great harm to the dragonflights. The destruction of the well and subsequent Sundering of the land was caused largely by Azshara overloading the well and Malfurion Stormrage destroying the well. The destruction of the Well by Malfurion, which was done to prevent the final portal to bring in Sargeras from materializing, culminated with Azshara’s Highborne Elves powerful magics that were being fed into the portal and was what ultimately caused the resulting implosion. N’zoth seized the opportunity this created and was able to contact Azshara who he had been watching for 1,000 years (he was jailed and chained by the Titans under the Well of Eternity).

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks so much for giving us all this info on Azshara! We can't wait to see her unleashed in Battle for Azeroth now. And crafty is a great way to describe her because she was able to flip that deal around really quick and she at least earned our respect by not being a servant. We like strong willed characters even when they are villains. 😊

[@travisherndon94]

Oh another League of Legends videos to check out that I would recommend is the League of Legends Stick Figure Spotlights by Hyun . There really good especially if you want to see how certain characters fight and their abilities.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

That’s a new request to add to the League list 😅

[@SovereignThrone]

I can't wait for you guys to get to the afterlives videos for the Shadowlands expansions. Those are REALLY good.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Looking forward to it 😀🥳

[@Paladinbaroque]

Ooo, I've been waiting for the reaction on this one :3 Cheers to ye both for all your efforts, Stay safe and take care x

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks! 😊🤗

[@AhmadSammy]

Background for "daughter of the sea": After the events of Warcraft 3 where the horde and the alliance came together to defeat the burning legion, Jaina's dad - who had a deep hatred for orcs as he fought them long ago - came looking for her thinking he's rescuing her from the orcs. She explains that they have peace now but the admiral said the orcs were savages and had to all be slaughtered. Jaina then "stood aside" as her father fought the orcs and got killed. Fast forward and a certain orc leader commited unspeakable atrocities against Jaina's people, and now she thinks she should have listened to her father about the nature of orcs.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

No good deed goes unpunished 😢

[@Vlagstaf]

Against the Alliance ? The death of Cairne broke me in pieces.

[@Porkey798]

@@Vlagstaf Garrosh did EVERYTHING wrong

[@emregursoy1160]

@@Vlagstaf Death of Cairne was not Garrosh's fault though. Cairne was the one who first challenged Garrosh and he didn't know his weapon was poisoned by Magatha.

[@kpetalis]

Good summary, let me offer a lengthier backstory. Well about Jaina and the song. The story is significantly more complex than daddy did bad and the daughter abandoned him that I have seen other say to reactors that don't have all the facts. First of all, the humans, dwarves and elves of the alliance have fought two major wars against the Orcs when they where under the influence of the demons. During those wars, the Orcs committed major war crimes against the humans, elves and dwarves, and none of those aforementioned people trusted that the Orcs would change their ways anytime soon. At the end of the second war (Warcraft 2 RTS game), there were many voices that called for the systematic eradication of the Orc population, meaning genocide, and it was almost passed, that was how much the people of all races hated the Orcs. The one that stopped this and offered the alternative of the concentration camps was one Admiral Daelin Proudmoore, Jaina's father and Admiral of the Kul Tiran fleet (Kul Tiran is an island nation and a member of the Alliance) and a hero of the Second War. Now, Admiral Proudmoore had plenty of reason to hate the Orcs. Not only they were responsible for many casualties to his fleet, people, and the Alliance as a whole, they had also killed both his sons during the War. So, from this you can infer that he wasn't an unreasonable man. Though he hated them with a passion, he was the one that saved the Orcs from extinction. Fast forward to the end of Warcraft 3 RTS game. The Orcs, free at last from the demonic influence, have allied with the Night Elves and Jaina's faction in Calimdor to fight the Demonic invasion, that's a whole other story here that I don't have the time to present. They honor that alliance and after defeating Archimonde, the then leader of the Burning Legion, they start building their capital of Orgrimmar, while maintaining friendly relations with Jaina that had built the city state of Theramore. Admiral Proudmoore was still in Kul Tiras defending it from the undead of Arthas, but was searching also for his daughter. He heard about Theramore and that his daughter was in Kalimdor, so he decided to prepare an expedition force to go to her and learn what she has being doing all this time. When he arrived at Kalimdor, he found Orcs building a forward base near Theramore. You must understand that when the Orcs left Lordaeron they didn't leave in peace. They broke out of their concentration camps, killed the guards and nearby garrison force, looted the countryside for supplies and hit a naval base in order to gain the ships they needed to travel to Kalimdor. Knowing all this, and remembering the destruction these invaders had wrought during the previous two wars, and not knowing that these Orcs had an alliance with the people of Theramore, he ordered a preemptive attack on the Orcs fearing they would attack his countrymen at Theramore. That led to an escalation of hostilities. The Orcs didn't want to start a war against the Humans, but they needed to defend themselves, but Admiral Proudmoore entered Theramore and assumed control of the city with his forces, ready to hunt down the Orcs. Jaina tried to stop her father telling him that she had an alliance with Thrall and that there was no need for war, but Daelin didn't believe for a second that the Orcs could be trusted. They had, after all, betrayed them before, during the previous two wars and also when they escaped and looted the countryside and the naval base at Lordaeron. And so, ignoring his daughter's warning, he continued the war. He lost, when Jaina, fearing that the war would destroy her city and harm her people, decided to meet in secret with Thrall and agreed to withdraw all her forces and leave her father with only his own forces to face the Orcs only asking that he try to minimize the damage and try to spare her father if possible. Thrall did try to spare the Admiral, but he, blinded by his hatred, fought to the end and he was killed. So you see, he wasn't a warmongering asshole as some might present him. He simply had no trust for these people that had betrayed and harmed his people and family again and again. Hell, his stance was justified if you take into consideration that these Orcs did attack and killed the people of Lordaeron when leaving. By his account and knowledge, these people couldn't be trusted to keep their word. He even warns Jaina that they would betray her in the end, that it was their nature. And guess what, the events leading to this scene, are a series of betrayals of her endless efforts to bring peace to the Alliance and Horde. The Horde, under the leadership of Grommash Hellscream after Thrall abdicated his position, started a war with the Alliance and even attacked Theramore claiming that it was a puppet state of Stormwind, the capital of the Alliance, and would be used as a staging ground to attack them. He didn't just invade, he used a Mana Bomb to level the city (Basically a Nuke), and killed every single person in the city, including all of Jaina's friends, allies and her apprentice. She only escaped because her direct superior in the mage's guild of Kirin Tor opened a portal and threw her in before the bomb exploded, saving her life. Here we see that she had enough and accepting that what her father said back then was right. The Horde is a blight to the world and cannot be trusted and their leaders are all betrayers. She has lost almost everything to the Horde and she is on the warpath. There is, of course, far more to the story, but I don't have the time to write all of it down.

[@burkhardt7694]

Sylvanas was ranger general for the high elf kingdom of quel'thalas but was killed by Arthas the lich king of the time and turned into a banshee. Jaina's father attacked the horde unprovoked. Aszhara made a deal for power with sargaras that ended breaking azeroth and bringing the legion the first time. The voice she hears in war bringers is N'zoth the old God that else corrupted ragnaros, malygos, and deathwing.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎👍😀

[@chipstarshine8150]

I loved these cinematics, some of the best they ever did in my opinion. The thing that’s always super noticeable to me is that I can tell a lot about a person based off how they react to sylvanas. Sylvanas suffers from severe ptsd and regret. As someone who also suffers from intense ptsd, you’ll never be able to explain to someone who’s never experienced it what its actually like. It’s a monster that rips and tears at your very mind and sense of being on a daily basis. I can completely understand not only how one can give info it and became jaded and hollow, I can understand and see why she does the things she does. Not that I have to agree with any of it but I can see the path she had to walk and how it made her into what she is now. People are quick to judge her as simply a bad character but don’t understand how even the best of us can fall away so far. It’s never an immediate process but like I said it’s the ptsd, how it rips and tears at your sanity constantly and the longer it goes on untreated or unmanaged the harder and harder it becomes it resist the lies it tells you.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We haven’t seen enough of Sylvanas story to date to have gathered all she’s been through. Bits and pieces here and there but we would love a deeper dive into such a complex character 🙂

[@chipstarshine8150]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames oh I’m not making any judgements here. But I can tell who has had big experiences with mental health, who hasn’t, and someone who hasn’t but is at least aware. That’s what I meant. But this cinematic is definitely a very big tldr of her story. She fought mercilessly against the undead only to fall and become one of them, not only that but now she’s forced to attack the very people she’s loved. From her sense of failure, to the part of being forced to act against her own will it left a strong and painful wound in her heart that never truly healed. How it festered for years and years and slowly made her into what she is today.

[@christopherwyatt9754]

I agree with you about the ptsd sylvanas must have, It also didn't help that even when she did things that would have helped she was treated like a monster. Get treated like a monster constently an anyone would snap an fly way off the deap end.

[@chipstarshine8150]

@@christopherwyatt9754 yeah, make no mistake my fav characters in wow are definitely jaina and sylvanas

[@danh8804]

For as much as they did wrong in the last few expacs, the Jaina and Azshara Warbringers are *chef's kiss*. the song in Jaina's video is this... just perfect latticework of half truths (in reality, her father came west and when he found there were Horde settlements - same Horde that Jaina had fought beside to literally save the world - he decided he was going to wipe them out. She begged him to seek peace but when he refused she didn't intervene when the Horde - in defense of their very existence - fought back and he was killed by their champion, Rexxar), but plays perfectly in how her guilt is working on her at this point in the story. YES! Azshara's display of power in the opening of that clip was breathtaking. She's... not even kind of a good person, wasn't in the past, wasn't in the future, but there's something impressive that she was *such* a powerful sorceress she can, y'know, hold back billions of tons of water she wasn't even expecting in an instant like that.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We love Jaina from this but Azshara seems super fascinating 🤩

[@ChiefBigBeef]

I love your guys reaction so much! watch them as much as I can and I especially love WoW. This is a little request whenever you have time to watch "Patrick that's frostmourne" and "Patrick that's the ashbringer" if you decide to do so. It's just a funny little Spongebob meme edit of the lore weapons from WoW and actually put together pretty well. They're short maybe couple minutes. Hope to see more reactions from you guys keep it up love you both!

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks so much! Glad you are enjoying the WoW reactions we got more coming next week 🥳 and we will add those videos to our request list 😇

[@Azarian771]

I would say if you want to pick a main protagonist for WoW (even though it's so massive) it would be Jaina, the girl just experienced so much pain and misery and went through so many different phases and had so much character progression that if you're a long term fan of Warcraft there is no way you won't root for her, but yeah a brief recap of what she went through: > Brother dies while she's a little girl having his whole fleet burnt down by Horde > Falls in love with Arthas but they realize they aren't ready for a relationship and part ways but never get to be together later on. > Watches the love of her life Arthas turn to madness after picking up Frostmourne > Watches Arthas burn down the very kingdom they both protected > Watches Arthas kill her mentor and destroy the city she lived at while she was forced to leave with a few refugees. > Becomes friends with Thrall and realizes that not all Orcs are bad but his dad is still racist towards Orcs cause of the death of her brother so he doesn't listen to her and blindly fights to Orcs while she is forced to stand aside cause her father won't listen to her and dies in process. > Is forced to confront Arthas multiple times as Lich King and when he finally dies she realizes that he kept her pendant all the time with himself, meaning that there was still part of Arthas inside the Lich King that was still human and still loved Jaina. > Gets her city nuked and loses most of her close friends in the process, even a cute gnome she teaches as her apprentice. > Almost all of her hair turns white out of sheer depression after her city gets turned into dust. AND A LOT MORE DURING BFA, but you gonna watch those so... I won't spoil. ❤ Hope you're enjoying these so far though!

[@nyizaw8335]

Ohh I always wondered why her hair turn white all of a sudden. She has a beautiful Blonde in warcraft 3.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Definitely enjoying these and looking forward to the rest! 😀 And then we will have at least some knowledge going forward as we continue to explore Warcraft ☺️

[@yannym4605]

Finding a fully fleshed out and unbiased opinion of either Jaina or Sylvanas is unlikely. Especially due to the lack of consistency in either character's story and motivations throughout the series. We all have our preferred versions of those characters, and we fight/fought to argue which version is the correct one, but Warbringers, Battle for Azeroth and Shadowlands finally just made most of the lore community just give up caring. Both have attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing with varying degrees of success. After Teldrassil, almost no one will deny that Sylvanas unilaterally decided to wipe out an entire race of people, namely because she almost did. They also won't deny that the Horde went along with it. However, the original reason given (in external media) to attack/invade (not destroy) Teldrassil made sense. A rogue faction of the Alliance had recently attempted to assassinate the Warchief and destroyed an entire fleet of Horde ships that were being directed to fight off the Legion invasion, and the only punishment they got was a slap on the wrist. Which gave a precedent of what could happen in the future if the Alliance wasn't checked. A good chunk of this rogue group was also living in Teldrassil and neighboring lands. The light punishment was understandable considering this group accidentally prevented Sylvanas from saving and strengthening the Forsaken - her people, which even though it would have been excellent for fighting back against the Legion (as a Forsaken player, I would've also been overjoyed had she succeeded), the Alliance would have felt justifiably threatened by a stronger and more stable Forsaken faction. Much the same way the Forsaken will always feel justifiably threatened by a stronger Human faction. Jaina also attempted to commit genocide, but against the Orcs of Orgrimmar. This was years prior to the Legion or BFA events. She was essentially trying to "end the bloodlines" of these races so they wouldn't grow up and become a problem. She also used a private military company to hunt down, capture or kill any Blood Elf citizens living in Dalaran (another city she was leading) without consulting the rest of the council and without trial to determine which Blood Elf actually stole the weapon that was used to destroy her other city. She wasn't successful at destroying Orgrimmar, so much of the fandom let that slide. Much of the fandom also uses the destruction of her city as giving her full justification for both events. Ignoring the reality that she had allowed the Alliance to turn her city into a military outpost to attack the Horde's capital and neighboring settlements. Prior to the destruction of Jaina's city, the civilians were allowed to evacuate by Garrosh before the the city was eliminated from the Horde's backyard. Garrosh "Orc Hitler" Hellscream, as people like to refer to him, actually came out of that expansion looking slightly more reasonable than Jaina. Outside of this dark period in her life, she's essentially Jaina "Let's be Friends!" Proudemoore. But everyone came out looking more reasonable than Sylvanas after Battle for Azeroth. Shadowlands is a whole other animal. It hasn't concluded yet and I haven't played it, although I've been following the story as best I can.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Didn’t realize that about Jaina. But I think we found our fully fleshed out unbiased opinion. ☺️😉 Or at least, you presented it in a very well balanced way

[@evenmoor]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames This account is not entirely complete. Jaina "wasn't successful at destroying Orgrimmar" because she was convinced at the last moment by Kalecgos - her former love interest - to not attack the city because she would be just as bad as Arthas and Garrosh if she did so. Furthermore, this aborted attack was made in the immediate aftermath of the mana-bombing of Theramore, so she wasn't in the best mental state. Not trying to justify her actions, just provide more context. Garrosh didn't simply choose Theramore as a strategic military target but as the start of a larger campaign of racial cleansing (Garrosh was by this point a rampant pro-orc racist.) Not only that, those civilians that Garrosh so kindly allowed to evacuate before the bombing? Many of them were then captured by the Horde and taken back to Orgrimmar to be tortured and used for literal target practice. These unfortunate souls could be seen in the "Siege of Orgrimmar" raid. The situation with the "rogue faction of the Alliance" who attempted to "assassinate" Sylvanas (the warchief during _Legion_ ) is a bit more complex because of how the game is played in _Legion_ - originally, players were meant to complete four zones in a specific sequential order, but before the expansion was released the devs ended up changing that so players could do the zones in any order they wanted. This change is significant because if you complete one particular zone (Azsuna), Alliance players can learn that Sylvanas and her forces are in another zone (Stormheim) for sinister reasons (that turn out to be her quest to enslave the Val'kyr in order to gain immortality for herself). So King Genn Greymane (who had an existing grudge against Sylvanas for a little thing of invading his homeland of Gilneas, slaughtering his people and making the survivors refugees, and killing his son) already knew she was up to something Not Good when he and the Alliance forces arrive and attack. So... because of a change in gameplay, it's easy to miss the clue that at least _explained_ Genn's immediate aggressiveness when he spotted Sylvanas's fleet: he didn't want her sinister plans - whatever they may be - to come to fruition. That said, Anduin really, _really_ should have sent someone else in charge of the expedition to Stormheim (which wasn't dispatched with the goal of assassinating Sylvanas but instead to recover an artifact known as the Aegis of Aggramar) and put Genn somewhere else. Genn immediately disobeyed Anduin's order to only attack the Horde if they presented an active threat. However, given that Sylvanas was there with the personal goal of enslaving the local Val'kyr in order to become immortal, the leadership of both factions basically allowed Genn's unsanctioned attack to go largely unanswered, especially given the relative weakness of the factions at the time following the disastrous defeat by the Legion at the Broken Shore. Neither side could afford open warfare over the incident. Furthermore, the original poster seemingly refers to the "rogue faction of the Alliance" as the entire Gilnean people - the ones who were now living on Teldrassil as refugees after Sylvanas (back when Garrosh was still warchief) invaded their isolationist and literally walled-off country and used her own Blight of Undeath upon them (something Garrosh told her specifically not to do during the invasion; even raging racist Garrosh had standards). (For the record, it wasn't the Gilneans who attacked Sylvanas's forces in Stormheim, but a detachment of the Alliance 7th Legion, which was the overall direction of Genn Greymane at the time. The 7th Legion is an elite army unit composed of members of all the Alliance races, not just Gilneans.)

[@UndergrundensBrolere]

The Jaina part give me goosebumps, hits me everytime! 😊😅

[@domdom3938]

Something to note while everyone explains the details of the video content, while Jaina's and Sylvanas's videos portray them in the modern, Battle for Azeroth time / date, Azshara's video shows the deal she made to transform into the Naga 10,000 years ago, back when her Empire has fallen into the ruin due to the Great Sundering (the colossal tsunami in the video), and so Azshara has been building the empire and her army for her Old God master for over the past 10 millennia on the bottom of the seabed, as the Naga are largely underwater species

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for pointing out the timing of Azsharas video 🙂

[@green_chlorine]

I don't like WoW in general, but I started playing it with my husband. The video about Sylvanas made me return to the game after break. At the moment, I've dropped WoW for a long time, but Sylvanas is still in my heart

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Even not playing it we still have enjoyed the story and characters. 🤩

[@suntiger745]

Other have posted good explanations and elaborations already, so I'll just add a little timline bit. The Sylvanas video takes place at the ingame events leading up to the release of Battle for Azeroth (what was then present time). The flashback to Sylvanas fighting the undead Scourge is a flashback to the aftermath of the Third War, (where Archimonde got blown up at the World Tree), where death knight Arthas invades the high elf kingdom of Quel'thalas to use its Sunwell to bring back the lich Kel'thuzad. Cut back to Darkshore and Sylvanas talking with Delaryn Summermoon before burning down the night elf capital (and its surrounding countryside, it's a huge tree). Without spoiling stuff - there *is* a reason behind Sylvanas doing this beyond sociopathy, but at the time we didn't know that. The Daughter of the Sea video is also in pre-event to Battle for Azeroth timewise. Jaina revisits the ruins of Theramore, which Garrosh destroyed with the mana bomb just before Mists of Pandaria. Without spoiling anything, just wait until you see what she does with her father's former flagship. :) The Azshara cinematic on the other hand takes place 10000 years ago, at the end of the War of the Ancients. Due to various shenanigans with the Burning Legion, who Azshara invited because Sargeras offered her power, and Tyrande, Malfurion and Illidan stopping those plans, the Well of Eternity (a tremendous source of arcane power, actually the blood of Azeroth) explodes, causing the continent to fracture and huge tidal waves to rise up. We see Azshara in her capital city Zin'Azshari when the tidal wave caused by the explosion hits. As the most powerful mortal mage born on Azeroth*, she actually manages to hold back the entire sea. For a time. Both the female and the male voice belongs to N'Zoth, one of the Old Gods who infest Azeroth. Being physical manifestations of chaos, limits like gender or physical form doesn't really apply to them. This particular Old God likes to make deals though. ;) *As I recall, there was some speculation that Aegwynn (Medivh's mother) fully empowered as the Guardian of Tirisfal, or Jaina Proudmoore empowered by the Focusing Iris (a magical artifact that boosts your power) could be on the same level as Azshara, but other than that, she's in a category all of her own in terms of power. As far as we know.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

So Azshara seems like ultimate baddy for next expansion while others are focused on Sylvanas for what she did 🤔

[@suntiger745]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames In a sense, but it's a bit more complicated than that. Both because of her pact with N'Zoth and what her ultimate end goal is. A good thing to keep in mind is that Azshara is extremely powerful, very vain and prideful, but also intelligent. Azshara serves no-one but Azshara. There's also some really interesting political struggles in the Horde that is coming in Battle for Azeroth. While Jaina and the players try to bring former Alliance member Kul Tiras back into the Aliiance, the allies the Horde seeks are the Zandalari - the priests, scholars and formerly rulers of all trolls on Azeroth. Even after the great Amani and Gurubashi empires split off from the Zandalari, all tribes still (grudgingly) respect the Zandalari for their wisdom, power and close connection to the Loa. This is not a minor tribe like the Darkspear or Revantusk that joined the Horde previously. This is a small but culturally still powerful empire considering joining the Horde. No Warchief of the Horde can deal with them as subordinates, as Sylvanas will find out.

[@Ash-qd2ke]

These cinematic : Warbringers is the best cinematic they made imo. You will definitely see more of Sylvanas in Battle for Azeroth. Unfortunately for us, this is just the beginning of the war. Jaina is called the Daughter of the Sea because she grew up in a kingdom so devoted to the sea, Kul’Tiras. It was not Jaina’s voice in Azshara’s because they lived 10,000 years apart (Azshara is also immortal)

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for the info 😀

[@attilatistyan4037]

8:07 Well its not that a fancy trick. Gul'dan raised a whole Island to the surfice and once he created a Fel Volcano.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😯🤯

[@josephcastilla9088]

The tsunami that Asharah was holding back was what the Emperor was protecting his people from. The Panda emperor from the other cinematics that you watched. She is the one that caused it and it broke apart the land. That was 10,000 years ago

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Whoa! All coming together. Thanks for letting us know that 😯😀

[@ABD-pr4xm]

Wow amazing as usual ! :D i forgot about some of these short videos its cool to watch them with your both reaction! please don't miss Battle for Azeroth Cinematics video which will take you to the next journey expansion where you will learn more about Jaina Proudmoore ( very touching story) and horde vs alliance battle continues in a very advanced cinematics. in this expansion blizzard made the most impressive CGI cinematics and I cannot allow you guys to miss it xD For Main trailers only - 24 min World of Warcraft: Battle For Azeroth - All Cinematic Trailers For trailers + in game cinematics ( Jaina ) - 1 hour and 47 min. World of Warcraft (2020): ALL Battle for Azeroth Cinematics In ORDER [BFA-Shadowlands 9.1 Catchup!]

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We are doing a sort of inbetween of those two videos. Our reactions will be around hour and fifteen minutes (approximately) split up between two videos. Part 8 comes out on Monday 😀🥳😎

[@epic-o2215]

just for context, the Azshara Warbringer happened over 10000 years ago, long before Jaina or most humans as we know them were anywhere in the picture. The voice, as many others have pointed out, is Nzoth, an old god who has been plotting with Azshara. We only saw small hints about them throughout all these years involving the Naga, appearing in different places in search of artifacts and stuff like that. They finally they play their hand in battle for azeroth. The voice is just a whisper (and actually he is just using her own voice at first i think, messing with her mind) before he goes full god mode. He likes to do that a lot, as you can see he was possessing the fish whose eye she was looking into before they all sink, and later that same fish approaches her. The part with the tentacles and the weird architectural city is most likely a vision Nzoth puts in her mind from the Black empire, hence the "slipping in and out of consciousness" transitions, it's subtle but very well done. Azshara is the most ambitious and enigmatic character in warcraft by far, shes definitely a narcissistic megalomaniac, but has the power to back it up. She sought to be the bride of a Titan named Sargeras, a planet sized cosmic entity who may or may not be involved in the "ordering of the cosmos". Thinking he is the only worthy suitor for her, she is convinced he will make the world perfect, like her. He was on a crusade to end all life because he went crazy after "witnessing the horrors of the void" and declared that oblivion was a better fate. He employs demons and lots of fire to do the job, he is currently imprisoned by his "siblings", other titans representing different aspects of the cosmos who finally ended his crusade after multiple attempts to destroy Azeroth and multiple successfully annihilated worlds. He wants to kill Azeroth, our planet, most of all. She almost successfully summoned him to Azeroth which would have instantly destroyed the planet. She is more than a match to even his most powerful generals who are themselves quite large, and that was before she was further enhanced by Nzoth. Jaina Proudmoore and Lor'themar Theron would later refer to her as perhaps the greatest sorceress the world of Azeroth had ever known, shes also still alive and currently out in the cosmos trying to become queen of the universe.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

She’s normally not a character we would like but we have to admit that she is fascinating and that we liked the fact that she basically told a god to F-off and give her power 😂😎🤟

[@haghendowdy4750]

A lot have answered about Azshara so I will try and clarify Jaina's story. Jaina comes from a seafaring people- the Kul'tiras, her father Admiral Proudmoore was the leader of those people and he had a deep personal vendetta with the horde and he could not see past his vendetta. Jaina had met the orc Thrall (the green Jesus you see in previous cinematics like the one where he uses the elements to kill Garrosh) both Jaina and Thrall sought peace between the horde and the alliance, while Thrall was the leader of the horde he had the power to command them but Jaina was just the daughter of the leader and she knew her father hated the horde and would not give that up. That's when she decided that the only option was to allow the horde warriors to overtake Admiral Proudmoore and inevitably kill him. She led the orcs to him and stood aside as Admiral Proudmoore called for her aid- in his dying breath Admiral Proudmoore told the rest of his people "beware the daughter of the sea." From then on Jaina was banished by the Kul'tiras and hated by her people- Jaina and Thrall are still in an ultimate struggle to bring peace between the horde and alliance.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for the extra info on Jaina. She is becoming our favorite 🤩 😍

[@zac0918]

thing with azshara happened thousands of years ago, well before jaina was around, the voices she heard was of a "old god", they were inspired by lovecraftian monsters and they are usually kinda responsible for alot of the bad stuff in warcraft.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎👍🙂

[@geddistopholes6785]

And now you know exactly how fitting it is that you named your official World of Warcraft drink Whiskey Warbringers!😁

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

🍻🍻😋 probably our best drink name so far

[@AGO339]

at this point when looking at her character change, you should look at the context of legion cinimatics starting with the death of vol'jin. sudenly this leader with so much honor in him and so respected by everyone is cut down infront of her and his last words to her is both making her warchief in his place, and backhanding her with "i've nevere trusted you or wanted you to lead" and we hear when shes enslaved that val'kyr that she was searching for immortality. so i take it that she suddenly became insanely aware of her mortality, and with the pressure of her position alongside her already normaly nasty disposition (and with what she did to Gilnaus, the original home of the wargon (werewolf) race, being already a show of her cruelty way prior to this) i saw her burning the tree as her lashing out to her view of life being unfair, and choosing the aliance to be her punching bag. course we learn even more was going on but that was my view at least

[@lordmortarius538]

Warbringers: Azshara - This one takes place 10,000 years ago, during the Sundering, when the Burning Legion had been defeated for the first time and cast out of Azeroth. The colossal forces used to keep the demon portal open at the Well of Eternity (the Night Elves' magical fount and source of immortality) were sent into a massive backlash as the Dragon Soul was used to close it forever. The Well exploded, and shattered the primeval continent of Kalimdor into the landmasses we know today. The Night Elves' capital of Zin-Azshari was situated right near the Well, where their beloved queen Azshara ruled over them. She it was who betrayed her own people and had invited the demons to enter the world, thinking that Sargeras would grant her great boons in her hubris and narcissism. She was a powerful sorceress and due to her golden eyes, felt that she was destined for greatness no matter what, so it was unthinkable to her that she could have lost, or that she couldn't save her own people from the incoming tsunamis created by the breaking apart of the land. And thus, sinking beneath the waves, she finds herself a guest of N'Zoth; one of the Old Gods (Lovecraftian terrors) imprisoned beneath the surface of Azeroth eons ago by the Titans. N'Zoth happened to be stuck right beneath the Well of Eternity, and it was he that sent those madness inducing whispers to Neltharion, weakening the Dragon Aspects so that he could break free of his prison. Azshara, however, is not one to be impressed easily, as she believes herself to be at the very least the equal of any power, if not greater, and rightfully points out that N'Zoth needs her more than she needs him, and she'd rather die a queen than live as a slave. Thus, N'Zoth relents and grants her his boon, transforming her and the surviving Highborne from her palace into the aquatic monstrosities that we now know as the Naga. Ruling over the Oceanic Abyss from her throne in the sunken realm of Nazjatar, she plots to not only find a way to free N'Zoth, but also to empower herself in the event she finds herself inevitably betrayed. Personally I didn't really like how they shoehorned N'Zoth into the end of this expansion and basically made another 'oops there's another big bad moment, guess we all should be friends again to fight it' trope. I was relishing the return to the WAR in Warcraft, but it got hamstrung at the end :/

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Azsharas confidence is definitely high and made her kind of cool even though we know she is straight up evil 😈

[@donnguyen2517]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames at the same time this was happening emperor shaohao set pandaria free and drifted out to sea

[@VforArt]

Back when you guys watched warcraft 3 videos i posted a long comment sheding a light to WOW cosmology and main forces that rule the world of warcraft and few hiper-important events that are the lighthouses of WOW lore, (arcane) order, (fel) chaos, death (necromancy), life, light (naaru), void (old gods) - these are cosmic forces intertwining in combat over plain of reality, where players and heroes are You can see in these videos literally every one of them (at this point their influence is in different ammounts), because of theme of expansion and stories they decided to continue at that point Soooo many loose ends tie up in these videos i dont even know where to begin 1. Sylvanas video part1: Sylvanas started 3rd war as warchief against alliance (remember how varian wrynn prommised to end horde when they will not uphold honor?) Yea, after Vol'jin death sylvanas launched suprise ofensive against night elves absolutley decimating them in war of extermination, shes a war criminal, yet horde is still weak and have no chances against alliance when mobilised....WHY THEN she did it? Teldrassil (huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge tree, which is whole in game starting zone for night elves consisting of 3 lesser zones containing night elves capital city - i fell in love with WOW seeing it for first time, really made overwhelming impression on me with its music and aesthetics) So Teldrasill was inhabited by millions of elves, it was their holiest place and really importand among 'world trees' that are connecting like in norse or slavic mythology real world with 'in between worlds' It is said that roots of such trees can lead as a backdoors to realm of the dead - shadowlands (in legion this motive was touched upon, but you saw only a fraction of this story when night elves killed a corrupted dragon called Ysera, she was turned red and became a star constrlation) Burning of Teldrasill is one of the 'lighthouse events' in wow lore, very important stuff... Sylvanas video part2: Back in warcraft3 sylvanas was a ranger general of high elves (type of elves that mixed with humas, they are shorter than night elves, light skin, blue eyes, etc.) When plage of undead attacked they were cut off from alliance and decimated, because undead went for their source of magic power - the sunwell Ranger general sylvanas windrunner was a freaking thorn in arthas side, great storyline started there... Arthas finally managed to route her forces, and as you can see as repayment he turned her in to banshee Notice that arthas still was not the lich king, he had only his sword - frostmourne, which is a type of magic swords 'mournblades' (So It happened before combat against illidan that you saw in warcraft3 before frozzen throne expansion) Now, very imporrtant stuff Frostmourne hungers, it is empowered by souls it traps inside, arthas killed his father and many, many others like his personal teatcher and menthor Uther the Lightbringer... It trapped them untill lich king is dead (wchich you saw in w3 and wrath of lich king exp.) As it is revealed in books and stories undead created by mournblades are lacking parts of their souls, so they are not only obiedient, but at the same time tormented - sylvanas was created as a banshee, not as a ghoul, or stitched one, or other type of undead... BUT because of her resisting arthas she managed to set herself free from his influence and created a fraction of undead that set themselves free... It is called 'the forsaken', all of them lack different part of their souls, they dont have emotions, nor motivations, yet they have memories and expiriences You can imagine that undead are universally hated and despised, and now alliance is forced to retaliate for elfocaust she commited ...... Its 2am and i didnt talk about everything i wanted to talk.... And there are still 2 videos to expand on If you would like me to do so i can do it tomorrow lol

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

We appreciate you putting in all this effort to help us understand more. Especially with it being so late at 2am 😯 We have part 8 coming out on Monday so maybe more can be expanded on then. But then again we will have more that needs explaining 🤗

[@Agony9877]

Ahhh when we can see BfA cinematic about Saurfang :)))))

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

BFA begins next week. Gonna be two parts because there is a lot to cover 😅

[@Mirikal]

Ugh Sylvanas. As a member of the Forsaken, we all looked up to her. She was our leader, our salvation. Then the entire Horde sees her as we see her and she puts it all on the line for the Horde...except she never did. She always had an agenda. We were always just tools to her. When she betrayed us, she took everything with her. 14 years of service and worship only to be left in the darkness. Our love is a void now.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😢

[@IVPixel]

Imagine thinking a rotting corpse would be your salvation lol

[@betathoughtexperiment]

All these trailers are about tragic figures there's who fell from grace in their own unique and tragic way. Sylvanas - Ranger general and defender of her people Whose only crime was being a really good but leader delaying the action of the destruction of her people which which vexed Arthas so much he turned her into a banshee And forced her to destroy her own people until years later he was weakened in the events of the frozen throne and she was able to break free And eventually founded her own kingdom with the surviving undead becoming tbecoming the forsaken and promising vengeance against him revengefully she gets it and has absolutely nothing to live for and kills herself. Only to find there are things in death far worse than unlife She is brought back by Valkyrie and is determined to never die again again and that leads her down her pay her path of a depravity. Jaina also ties her sadness to Arthas whom which she loved in his life when he was a paladin. He's in a bigger game that hes not aware of and his kingdom is faded to die one way or the other and he simply goes down 1 of those Inevitable paths that lead to damnation trying to save his people and ends up becoming the very thing he set out to destroy. Jana is scarred by these events and believes she could have done something different that would have changed the outcome. She also ended up being the peacekeeper between the horde and the alliance after, so many times, until a magical nuke destroyed the city she built. Now she is done with the pretense and wants vengeance for all that she has given up and lost. For the last one, what you're watching in the trailer happens 10000 years before those other 2 events and have to do with 1 of the most powerful beings on the planet making a deal with demons and it blowing up in her face literally destroying her city and splitting all the continents apart. She is power hungry and powerful and once more power and will make a deal with anyone who can give it to her. The city being destroyed as the very end of this ancient war you might even Look at as a combination of the war in heaven and the Horus heresy is in 30K but with a number of changes.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Tragic characters indeed 😢

[@professort7080]

Warcraft I love Warcraft that's my favorite game to play of all times thank you guys so much for making this video thank you yes

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Glad you enjoyed it 😀🥳

[@professort7080]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames thank you you'll are amazingly I even watch your mortal Kombat 11 gameplays it was pretty cool of you guys to play through the whole story mode

[@thechargentarge1341]

Great reaction video as always lads! Anyways I got two greatly animated TF2 shorts, one is called “Christmas Bloody Miracle” it is made by The Winglet and another named; “The Art Of Spychecking” also made by the winglet, anyways that’s all I got for today, hope i make it to the next livestream :D

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Art of Spychecking is definitely a new one to add to our TF2 list 😀 we already had Christmas bloody miracle on there 🥳

[@taylorpeak1319]

Don't know how nobody's pointed this out yet in any comments i've read. Warbringers Azshara takes place 10,000 years ago from any of present WoW's story. The other two Warbringer videos (Sylvanas and Jaina) take place in present time. So no, that fish is most definately not Jaina's voice. Unless Jaina knows how to time travel 10,000 years in the past.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎👍

[@Tungusdafungus]

Sylvanas Warbringer is where Blizzard decided to swap her character arc at a 180 degree flip out of nowhere from her slowing becoming more a leader and caring about the horde more then just her Forsaken, but then they say "eh screw it she is evil afterall" also the voice whispering to Azhara was a old god named Nzoth, they use to rule Azeroth until the Titans fought then and imprisoned them in various places of the world, Nzoth being in the depth of the sea

[@koledirks]

Still and forever will I hate how they basically destroyed Sylvanas :(

[@Appleman291]

It was great idea for me to update the KZbin page. thank you guys:)

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Our pleasure! 🥳🥳🙂

[@migmigmig10]

Jaina is a very big character in world of warcraft and Warcraft 1, 2, 3. She was in love with (and engaged to) Arthas before he turned into the Lich King and betrayed mankind. She had diplomatic contact with Thrall the leader of the horde, and in that context travelled to broker peace between the alliance and the horde. Her father misunderstood/was a stubborn bastard and thought they'd taken her as a prisoner. He followed her and attacked the horde. Jaina, torn between Thrall and her Father, chose to "stand aside". The horde killed her father and here we are. Jaina is a very powerful mage trained by the Kirin Tor. She is the daughter of the royal family Proudmoore which rule the lands of Kul'tiras - a searfaring nation. She was disawowed by her mother and her people after her fathers death and went to work for the alliance. The kul'tiran left the alliance after that and isolated themselves on their island nation. Untill now... DA DA DAAA ;)

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Jaina is amazing 🤩

[@Shiftry87]

1 bit of important information about Jaina´s Warbringer is that on it´s own yeah it´s a good video and sea chanty. However trully understanding what event that song is about adds a very diffrent flare to it and it makes alot more sense. Look up the story of Warcraft 3´s Frozen throne bonus campaign as that entire song is a referanse to it from start to finish. I know in what order the next Cinematics with Jaina are and there are alot of flashbacks that make little sense unless u have heard the story from that bonus campaign.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Jaina is a story we will have to do separately just like Illidan after our initial journey is over. Basically this Is just to get us a framework of it all then we can go into lore and background of individual characters 😀☺️

[@Shiftry87]

​@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Good to know. This expansion have big cinematics that are heavily revolving around Jaina and all of those cinematics are references to that story.

[@OmegaSoypreme]

Jaina is the daughter of the lord admiral (king) of kul tiras and one of the most powerful spellcasters in the world. After fighting alongside the horde (the events of warcraft 3), she founded a settlement called Theramore on the continent Kalimdor, close to the also recently settled orcs. And it was going well and was peaceful. However Jaina was essentially a missing person. When Jaina's father showed up searching for her, he was not in the mood to make peace with his old enemies, and proceeded to do battle with the orcs. Jaina begged her father to stop and understand that the orcs were now different but he did not listen. When the orcs came to kill the lord admiral, in a bid to save their peace, Jaina stood her forces aside and did not intervene. This of course was a point of immense guilt for Jaina. And word eventually got back to kul tiras of her "betrayal". Years later, things got even worse. Jaina's settlement had grown into a major port city with a substantial population. Meanwhile the orcs now had a new warchief, Garrosh Hellscream. And he did not want to share their continent with any humans. Despite all Jaina had sacrificed to maintain peace Garrosh's horde annihilated Theramore using a massive magical bomb, killing most of the people there. Stripped of any notion of peace with the horde Jaina raged for a few years, dedicatingherself to crushing them. Though she did try and maintain the neutrality of the magical kingdom of dalaran, of which she had become the leader, a further betrayal by the horde led to her forcibly removing any blood elf occupants of the city. She was later ousted as leader and disappeared for a while. This cinematic was her big return to the spotlight. And that's the main stuff. There was more that happened during her rage years, but this was the big things I think. I love Jaina. She's my absolute favourite character in WoW, and probably any fiction. I think her story and character growth over the years has been amazing. And this song honestly makes me tear up.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks so much for giving us some more backstory in Jaina. She is one of our favorites now ☺️

[@TheKingOfBears.]

Azshara is really cool, I hope we will get to see more of her in the future as her story conclusion is not really clear in Battle of Azeroth.

[@lordmortarius538]

Warbringers: Jaina - During the Third War, Jaina Proudmoore was visited by the Prophet, who advised her that a terrible darkness was coming, and the only way to save her people was to take them and travel west to Kalimdor. She did so, and built up an independent city-state in the swamps of Dustwallow: Theramore. It was there that she met Thrall, then the new Warchief of the Horde, who had also led his people to those lands, and the two developed a friendship, leading them to cooperate to repel the 2nd Burning Legion's invasion together. Her father, Lord Admiral Daelin Proudmoore of the island nation of Kul Tiras, discovered the 'new' Horde after sailing after his daughter to find out what had happened to her, and immediately planned an attack. She tried to talk him out of it, tried to tell him that Thrall was a good leader and that these orcs just wanted to live in peace, but Daelin would have none of it, after having fought in the Second War against the demonic-controlled Horde. Regretfully, she told Thrall of her father's battle plans, so that when the attack came, they would be ready, and during the fighting, he was killed. While she never blamed the Horde for it directly, understanding her father's racist hate blinded him to reason, she still harbored a deep-seated guilt for having betrayed him. This feeling festered and morphed into a different sort of hatred after witnessing the actions of the Horde after Thrall handed the title of Warchief to Garrosh Hellscream, regretting having saved the Horde if THIS was what they were going to do with their liberation: the complete destruction of her city and everyone in it, including her much respected colleague Rhonin, archmagus of the Kirin Tor, and her own gnomish apprentice Kinndy Sparkshine, after Garrosh dropped a Mana Bomb on the city in a ploy to draw in the Alliance leadership and annihilate them all at once. She used the power of the stolen Focusing Iris that she took from the Blue Dragonflight to summon a tidal wave of water elementals, planning to drown Orgrimmar in retaliation, but Thrall managed to catch up to her and talk her down from it. After this, she became much more hardened towards the Horde, and sometimes even publicly disagreed with Varian and Anduin, who wanted to find ways to end the fighting. It wasn't until after the Broken Shore, when Varian, one of her long time friends, was killed in a seeming betrayal by the Horde, that she decided that enough was finally enough: The Horde would PAY. Where this cinematic comes in, she sails to raise her father's old flagship, sunken off the coast of Theramore, and sails it back to Lordaeron to aid the Alliance in their assault on the Undercity. She realizes now, after hearing of the Burning of Teldrassil, that her father was right all along. The Horde cannot be trusted. Ever. The shanty details the fall of her father, and is a rewrite of the original shanty which was more lighthearted and sweet, after the people learned of her betrayal of her father. The last two words spoken... gives me CHILLS every time. The time for mercy and understanding is over. Justice requires vengeance.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Justice requires vengeance…..aka…don’t fuck with Jaina 😎🤟😁

[@lordmortarius538]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames When I was still playing the game, the Alliance characters I had created were all (in my headcanon) part of a small, secretive group known as the Order of Vengeance. All of its members had seen the weakness of the Alliance when it came to dealing with threats, disdainful of the 'high road' approach to vanquished enemies, and of peace treaties that only gave their enemy the time to build back up and try again. For most, after Sylvanas' burning of Teldrassil, that was the final straw, and they swore that they would *end* the Horde, no matter what it takes. The concept of 'total war' is one they would put into practice, sparing no one, punishing the Horde for their continuing animosity.

[@lemlermark]

suggestion for the upcoming videos in chronological order Battle for Azeroth: - Cinematic: Old Soldier - Battle for Azeroth cinematic (you did already seen this) - The Siege of Lordaeron: Turn The Tide - Lordaeron Throne Room Confrontation - Cinematic: Lost Honor - Jaina's Nightmare - Arrival to Kul Tiras - Alliance - Realm Of Torment - The Return of Hope: Kul Tiras - Arrival to Zandalar - Horde - Rastakhan's Deal with Bwonsamdi - The Threat Within: Zandalar - Battle of Dazar'alor Alliance Cinematic - Rastakhan's Death Cinematic - Terror of Darkshore - An Unexpected Reunion - Rise of Azshara Cinematic - Azshara's Eternal Palace - Raid Finale Cinematic - Safe Haven - The Negotiation - Cinematic - Crossroads - Cinematic - Reckoning - Visions of N'Zoth - Intro Cinematic - Ny'alotha: Wrathion's Scene - Ny'alotha Raid Finale Cinematic Shadowlands: - World of Warcraft: Shadowlands Cinematic - Shadowlands: Dark Abduction - For Theldrassil - Shadowlands Afterlives: Bastion - Shadowlands Afterlives: Maldraxxus - Shadowlands Afterlives: Ardenweald - Shadowlands Afterlives: Revendreth - Shadowlands Cinematic: Beyond the Veil - Sylvanas' Choice Cinematic - Revendreth Finale - Ysera Reborn Cinematic - Chains of Domination - “Kingsmourne” - Chains of Domination - Launch Trailer - Tyrande vs Sylvanas Cinematic - Sylvanas Defeat Cinematic - Shattered Legacies

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Appreciate the input 😀 we’ve actually already seen the first half of our BFA viewing. It will be two videos. Parts 8 and 9. But we will double check for 9 to see if our list we were given aligns with one your provided 🙂🥳

[@deylloalyxx1494]

these were some of my favorite cinematics great reaction ! you'll enjoy bfa ones if i might say so most of them are SG.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎🤟

[@3275Dan]

Jaina has faced alot old trauma in her life but still remains strong in character and has often acted as a peacekeeper between the horde and the alliance. She fell in love with Arthas (before he became Lich King) but could not continue to be with him when he started wiping out whole city's. When we we going to kill the Lich King Jaina still had a bit of hope that Arthas could be saved and brought back to being a good man. After Arthas was killed Jaina found a locket on him with her picture showing that despite Arthas being consumed by the corrupted blade their was still part of him who loved Jaina. They is a very cool picture of her holding the locket from Arthas body.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎🤟

[@RealmRabbit]

The Warbringers ones are REALLY good :D Of the ones Blizz has done in that style for WoW I think maybe Harbingers is pretty close? I do like the Gul'dan and Khadgar ones from Legion tho...

[@apollyon23456]

Yeah the last video takes place waaaaay before the others, the voice was N'Zoth. Think like Cthulu. And Jaina was a always a proponent of peace between the factions, but when her dad got to the new land the horde had escaped to, he attacked them, Jaina refused to help him kill them, and he died. ( his son had died to orcs in a previous war, and most of the alliance was pretty racist toward horde at the time.) So he was a bit prejudiced.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for clearing that up 🙂

[@rethix5955]

When Queen Queen Azshara was entered into the history books, everything went to fucked

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😯

[@emildrimbea3210]

last cinematics about Sylvanas u guys need to react, is good

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Just posted part 8 of our journey 🥳🥳

[@chrismetoyer1633]

the song for the Jaina one is about her

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks! 🙂

[@CRSB00]

For the Jaina short, a bit of context to the context, long ago there was an invasion and a war the original Horde vs the humans and Jaina's father fought there, so to him the orcs are nothing but savages that need to be exterminated, so that you know where he's coming from to that the short is referring, after some conflict and fleeing to another continent the orcs and humas achieved a very fragile peace (even becoming friends with the orc leader at the time, Thrall), so Jaina's father, Admiral Proudmore (and his fleet) initiated conflict once more despite her pleas to stop, so when the orcs retaliated and killed him in the insuring conflict, Jaina stood aside and did nothing, this something she deeply regrets since, now time passed and another more warlike orc took the helm and bombed the city she founded killing most of its inhabitants, this shattered Jaina's peacemaking ways, hence the "I'm listening now...father"

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Sad story for Jaina 😢

[@CRSB00]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames looking back now after remembering It would have been a lot cooler of a callback if the line was "I *understand* now, father" because the last exchange they had before, you know, was something like "...you don't understand father!" "Oh, I understand more than you suspect, my dear. Perhaps, in time, you will you..." and it was a very sad ordeal when it happened because it wasn't that one side was good and one evil but two sides whose relations were two damaged by a previous war to ever reconcile properly without some paranoia among some sub-factions

[@nakenmil]

"Man, what the hell happened to you?" Well... that's what the players were asking too. Blizz has flip-flopped about just how sinister she is for YEARS.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

☹️

[@frankhenderson3005]

God I love Sylvanas! She is absolutely my favorite!

[@ericminton6084]

the voice was N'Zoth one of the old gods

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks! 😎👍

[@joakimkarlsson8392]

Jaina took a warning to head west to a different land to avoid the coming scourge (lich king). And she made allies that lead to her fathers death because he saw nothing but evil in the horde but there were good too. Those orcs too fled west to surive. Azhara allied with Legion and watched her people butchered for reign, Legion failed that invasion (which was 10 000) years prior to current time. So the portal from the legion were invading through (Well of Eternity) collapsed and it made such a devastation that the world broke into several continents. (you saw this in your legion story about suramar). What Azhara heard and allied with at the brink of death was an old god called N'Zoth. There were 4, they were imprissoned by the titans (the big titans you see at the end of legion "go home children of azeroth"). Azhara will try break him out.... rest I guess you'll see for yourself. N'zoth, Ya'sharaj, C'thun, Yogg-Saron. Called parasites of the void, on azeroth they are known as old gods.

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

Thanks for the info on old gods and more info on Azshara and Jaina 😀

[@joakimkarlsson8392]

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames After Legion's fall there are no longer anyone to protect us from the void, despite the Legion being a reason to be destroyed. Not all worlds hold a soul of a titan... but if the void find one, and I am sure they will. Then it will be the end of (well I guess warcraft), however we got worse shit on our hands, current game is at different war. You'll get filled on that later. Basically saying, we share the same enemy just wanted to save lives to end the dark, Legion wanted to kill everything so the void could not claim life, That is why the rest of the titans banished him. And now "at last" imprisoned him,

[@tilenoblak7304]

Jaina Proudmore is a member of the Royal family of Kul Tiras. A human island kingdom. She is the child of the Lord Admiral (king). She wanted peace with the Horde. Her father did not want peace and so he attacked the horde and got killed. Jaina was there and did nothing, because she did not want a war with the horde

[@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames]

😎👍🙂