World of Warships - Know Your Ship #25 - HMS Dreadnought Battleship

[@em1osmurf]

i learned here stuff i never have been taught anywhere else. an uncle was a horse veterinary doctor in WW1, and told me how the machine gun ended his army career and that of the mounted cavalry. as retired navy, this was totally news to me. thank you!

[@Scarheart76]

An inglorious end for a ship that started the battleship hype.

[@RCN2820]

And we're at carrier/missile destroyer hype right now. wonder what's next.

[@jonraybon8582]

3 years later, and no HMS Dreadnought

[@Rzymek85]

I love the documentary's 'New German republic ruled by Kaiser....':D

[@michaelnaisbitt1639]

This episode is lifted directly from the TV series THE BATTLESHIPS Shown in four parts on the ABC about nine ten years ago. I believe the full 4hour series is still available

[@AaronCMounts]

Before HMS Dreadnought's hull was launched, the US and Germany both had their own new generation battleships under construction.

[@Victor-xx4wh]

Why would the scrap such an important ship and not just preserve it?

[@ichasegaming]

Naruto Uzumaki Tough call, might be because by the end of WW1, Great Britain was getting very close to being bankrupt.

[@Victor-xx4wh]

iChaseGaming It would be so nice if they had preserved it. Where I am from there is a very old heavy cruiser near me and I love visiting it.

[@matt99is]

Same issue with HMS Warspite. At the time it was scrapped there were campaigns to have it preserved as a museum ship.

[@Karagianis]

In the end it came down to money, battleships cost a lot to keep, even as museum ships, after ww2 britian was virtually bankrupt. America gained global superpower status in ww2, Britian lost it.

[@matt99is]

Karagianis I think it ultimately boils down to the typical shortsightedness of British government.

[@MegaRaven100]

I love your history programs and I like your ship battles. It's nice you do teaching too-. Good stuff. your are my 4th subscribtion; After Jingles, Quicky Baby (tanks and stuff), and you and Business 6 for ships. I like your attitude and opinions. Hood work. It was Jingles who got me to try your stuff. He was right , you are great!

[@MegaRaven100]

+MegaRaven100 subscription! (typo) dammit , no edit button!

[@F6FHellcat5]

5:30, isn't that part of the War Thunder soundtrack!?

[@Mancboy2000]

F6FHellcat5 Yeah. The 'soundtrack' has been around a while.

[@squarepants49]

+F6FHellcat5 It's the second movement (track) of Beethoven's 7th symphony.

[@rusko123]

Walter George Cole, he is my great grandad. he was a crew member of HMS Dreadnought.

[@cloroxbleach1281]

the enemy is being reinforced with a dreadnought

[@niko5015]

What a great vid again bro keep Swinging and that perfect work up

[@stbg1719]

I'm peetty sure that on the first few clips of the construction is of the Titanic's sister HMHS Britannic having one of her funnels fitted/installed and another I believe being of Titanic's older sister Olympic's double bottom being layed. don't take my word for it though. Brilliant video really enjoy watching your videos.

[@MammothPaige]

Great info Keep them coming.

[@Karagianis]

Dreadnought was an important revolution in battleship design, but the first of anything is going to have a few bugs. The fire control platform at the top of the mast was stuck immediately behind the forward funnel, so if the ship was moving they couldn't SEE because of the smoke. The belt armour strip was too narrow, so that under full fuel/ammo loads it was completely submerged. Lastly the 12pdr secondary armament was too small, leaving the ship very vulnerable to destroyers. It might be better to use the Belleophon class, which was essentially a Dreadnought clone, but with the bugs fixed (fire control mast in front of funnels, 4" secondary guns), and make Dreadnought it's self a premium ship.

[@jessicawells5145]

British should have kept her an the vanguard, would have been nice to have them side by side. The first an last.but its always nice to dream.

[@AaronCMounts]

It's a bit of a stretch to say the early 1900's dreadnought arms-race led to WWI.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

Agreed. Definitely an important factor though.

[@GG-ir1hw]

Thanks for this video. I would be wrong to miss the original battleship.

[@ichasegaming]

Calemb Jackman :) Wouldn't miss such an important ship

[@hayzeuscrust4517]

Sorry, it's not the first battleship, that is a position that should go to the HMS Mary Rose, the first purpose built warship. The HMS Dreadnought is rightfully famous for being the first dreadnought, the mother of every battleship built after her, including the Yamato and Iowa class dreadnoughts of WW2. I, too, think it is a great shame this magnificent vessel was not preserved. 'Course, if I had my way, every dreadnought ever built should have been preserved.

[@GG-ir1hw]

What I meant was in class. Yes Mary rose was built solely for war but she was classed as galleon style ship. A frigate is not a battle ship. A ship of the line is not a battleship. Although they are all warships. Warships and battleships are often seen as the same but they're not. And what I meant is the battleship not the warship can trace Its ancestor to be dreadnought.

[@thundertears]

The HMS dreadnought was the strongest ship in the English navy fleet and a treasure of her time

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Shame HMS Dreadnought did not surivive to this day and was scrapped, I could see it sailing side by with Aurora & Mikasa,

[@mgentleman1]

Just came across your channel, looks very good, subbed. Mick. :)

[@ichasegaming]

michael gentleman Cheers and welcome! :D

[@uscgtankerwhitmore8777]

Could you find info on the lions class battleship and the vanguard class?

[@ichasegaming]

Uscgtanker Whitmore Yes and I might do one on the Lion class soon enough :P stay tuned

[@Maddog3060]

Another ship that should have been preserved instead of scrapped. Hell, you mention the "poor return", imagine the revenue they would've gotten had she been turned into a museum; tourism makes good money. Hell, I know I would have loved to visit her. They have the British battleship tree revealed? I didn't see that.

[@ichasegaming]

Maddog3060 They really should have preserved her. Instead, they preserved ships like the HMS Belfast, not hating on the cruiser but, so many other more awesome ships...

[@Maddog3060]

iChaseGaming Indeed. HMS Warspite from the QE class, HMS Dreadnought, HMS Indomitable (the carrier), all awesome.

[@emperordoge6897]

My countries greatest war machine, I am honoured to live in. The country the ironclad was born

[@dickiedontnuts9470]

Emperor Doge wrong. Ironclads were created in the US during the civil war. Nice try limey

[@MarekDohojda]

Yes and no, HMS Warrior was an Ironclad, which came before USS Monitor. However Monitor was a first, what we could call, a modern design. HMS Warrior was essentially built like a an old style Ship of the Line. Still though she was first in 1859 vs 1861.

[@bujler]

I think "La Gloire" was the first ocean going ironclad ship. She was a wooden ship clad in iron armour. HMS Warrior (which is still around, so go see it!) was built in response, and had an iron hull covered in armour. She was built in 1860. So, Dickie Donuts is wrong on that.

[@Odin029]

Was that HMS Victory at 10:30?

[@williamgray1454]

Untied German Republic? With a kaiser ?

[@LordDim1]

I KNOW WHAT WHERE THE DOCUMANTARY MAKERS ON!!!?

[@johnaustin5677]

I was going to say the same thing.

[@verticallogic5909]

i had the same reaction..........

[@Glenmoto12]

Again really interesting video. Liked the way you described the way the ships were built. Didn't like the American calling the monarch english, but hey ho. Really could have done with more about the dreadnought and her specs. You did mention them and her lifetime but very briefly. About two to three minutes out of the entire video. Need more on the actual ships themselves.

[@ichasegaming]

psjhfc28112010 Thank you, I'm trying to focus more on just the ships themselves but then without their history it's not much of a story :P

[@Glenmoto12]

I can't seem to be able to reply to your comment directly so Iv had to use mine. I totally agree, it is important to say so. But out it this way, with your current methods you have over .5k subs, if you can master balancing the ship and the history surrounding its creation youl go sky rocketing up in subs.

[@ichasegaming]

psjhfc28112010 Always a balancing act with each ship :) some have lots more about their development (HMS Dreadnought) others have a lot more about their operational history. But i'll keep trying to work on that balance ^___^

[@tyb1329]

Sound like the Bismarck's sister Tirpitz

[@jonas021297]

Yeeeaaaaaaaahhh!!

[@Karagianis]

I hope this is in World of warships, but 12" guns are quite small compared to most of the battleships in the game so far, so I'd guess it'd be low tier.

[@ichasegaming]

Karagianis Should be at tier 3 :P

[@Karagianis]

for early, yes that's why I said low tier. all the first generation dreadnought type battleships are tier 3 so far

[@RuneMasterKnight]

so this ship is the direct descendant of ships of the line (ex:HMS victory, a first rate 100 cannon ship of the line)

[@ichasegaming]

RuneMasterKnight A distant but direct descendant :D

[@mohammedfiras2260]

What's the range on the missile ??

[@animalmother8730]

Mohammed Firas Zoghbour Missile? We need to talk

[@Boric78]

The Jack Johnson of battleships..............................

[@matthewprice8362]

this will be teir 3

[@Francois424]

With the Mikasa announced at Tier II, and the Aurora/St-Louis being Tier III, I really don't see the Mikasa as a Tier 2. I mean sure the main turrets (2x2 13 inch) fired only once a minute, but it had something like 7 secondary 152mm (6 inch) guns on each side of the hull. I don't want WarGaming to nerf the Mikasa in anyway, but she feels too strong for T2 and too weak for T3 (where you meet the S. Carolina). If they remove all secondaries or make them stupid range of < 4 km then you have a worthless ship... if you give control of them to the player, you might have an Overpowered T2. I think the best solution would be automatic secondaries of 6km base range, while giving the possibility of range extention by both the module and captain's skill (+40% range total, for 8.4km ). Since automated secondaries are not very precise, but the player has 2 solid turrets to rely on, that it might work. Loved hearing about the Dreadnought. Thank you.

[@CountBMonty]

I love the way this just turned into Americans trying to shit on the dreadnought by saying they came up with the same idea first. I've had plenty ideas for stuff fact is if you don't make it you didn't invent it.

[@verticallogic5909]

the idea of an all big gun battleship had simultaneously been considered by several countries. In fact, the Americans were the first to begin an all big gun ship, starting the 2 South Carolina class battleships before England started the Dreadnought. But the Dreadnought was commissioned first...........

[@ltwjay1794]

What's the ship In the intro that pops out the paper

[@ichasegaming]

creeperslayer The Fuso

[@Vaskietis]

3:07 German Republic ruled by Kaiser Wilhelm II ? Really?

[@boyarkabya4000]

Andrius Vaitiekunas thought the same

[@starlightdelt4796]

No the first ships to have big guns was the classes that where the same as the Maine battleship but still didn't have nearly as much firepower as south South Dakota class especially after the refit and extension of armament of 4 14 in tri-Cannon turrets 5 dual Cannon turrets 5 inch Cannons on each side or the famous Iowa which has been named the best battleship to Rome the sea do to it 3 16 inch tri-cannon turrets and has rather 5/6 5 inch dual cannon turrets on both starboard and port and also the U.S.S. Washington being the only battleship to carry out a traditional battleship dual by turn the cannons to starboard and/or port and came out with minor damage though if I'm thinking right took a shell to a turret causing it to have to return to N.Y. shipyard for repairs

[@Fizwalker]

+dylan hooven The Maine is an example of a pre-dreadnought battleship. A few large caliber guns mixed with a lot of smaller guns as its primary armament. HMS Dreadnought (built in 1906) focused her main guns on a single size and increased the speed allowed by steam turbines. Yes there are still a host of smaller caliber guns, but they are there to ward off DDs and other torpedo carrying vessels. The rest of your argument is apples and oranges. USS South Dakota wasn't even approved to be built until 1939 (in the same format as HMS Dreadnought - Primary weapons are large guns, with high speed) neither were the North Carolinas (which USS Washington was). If you want to compare ships, you should be comparing the South Carolinas, the Japanese Satsuma and HMS Dreadnought, all three of which were designed independently in parallel. (Neither the Japanese or US actually built their ships first though) Now, you can also make an argument that the SCs were equally revolutionary in that they were the first dreadnought to have superfiring main batteries - Further note: The South Dakotas were armed with 9 16 inch guns in 3 triple turrets, and 20 5 inch guns in an arrangement of 10 dual turrets, as of their commissioning, starting in March 1942. Regarding USS Washington. She received no damage from the Kirishima, or from any other ship in the Japanese force - USS South Dakota did though after closing to 5000 yards, losing power and being peppered with over a hundred rounds. Nor was it the last battleship duel. That honor goes to the action in the Surigao Strait on 25 October 1944. Hope this was informative.

[@Privat3Kag3]

The size of the Fucking Lathe....

[@thomaswilloughby9901]

An awful lot of information on WW1 and the naval arms race very little on the actual ship.

[@rwd76]

The first 'dreadnought' type battleship to be designed was the USS Massachusetts. But the US Navy could not get the money through Congress in time, so the Admiral Fisher got the HMS Dreadnought built first.

[@rwd76]

Politicians, eh?

[@Wanderer628]

No it wasn't. It was a coastal defense ship and couldn't go into the open ocean, meaning that it was in no way a true dreadnought. The British invented it, face reality.

[@edwardaguilar2836]

Actually, the Satsuma class battleship was an all big-gun battleship laid down months before HMS Dreadnought but because they lacked the planned number of guns, they mixed the caliber. Satsuma should have be the first 'dreadnought'

[@bmc7434]

Wasn't the USS Monitor the first ship to ever have an all-big gun armament Was also the first ship to have heavy armor and be a screw propelled warship

[@ichasegaming]

B Mc I don't think the USS Monitor's guns would be put into the same class of guns that existed later

[@903lew]

The Monitor gave birth to its own little class of ships - the Monitors. Dreadnought changed the existing "ship of the line"/man-of-war class of ship, thus Dreadnoughts. Both great ships, but very different.

[@bmc7434]

Personally I don't think the HMS Dreadnought was much different from other ocean going Warships that developed from Ocean going Ironclads Generally speaking it normal development and refinement from the original USS Monitor design concept 40 years prior. Which was speed, a main battery of guns, and attempting to armor a ship in a fashion that kept it well protected and still light HMS Dreadnought was largely outdated when it was commission Torpedoes boats , subs, plus guided torpedoes made fighting under 5000 meter dangerous by the late 1890's, which is the reason Dreadnought and other warships were developed with similar weapon loads to fight outside torpedo range. So the HMS Dreadnought wasn't original or ground breaking

[@trevortrevortsr2]

B Mc The Drednaught was 3 Knots faster & had 3 times the fire power and had more armor than any ship afloat - it made every other class of battleship anywhere in the world obsolete - it was the most deadly ship afloat - While you may lament over monitors they were river or at best coastal boats incapable of projecting power worldwide - The British Warrior-class ironclads predate the Merrimack and were vastly superior ships

[@bmc7434]

HMS Dreadnought is basically a Majestic class Battleship and had similar firepower and armor as any Pre Dreadnought and armor its one reason why it didn't have a front role seat in WW1 Dreadnought was largely a test ship to figure out ship layout and fire control for a long range gun platform for future British Warship HMS Dreadnought was closer to 1 mile faster then the French battleship Danton

[@calum5975]

"New German Republic, ruled by KAISER Willhelm".... REPUBLIC, and a KAISER.. just no

[@conundrum62]

From first to last www.hms-vanguard.co.uk/