World of Warships - Scharnhorst Premium Impressions

[@WalkableBuffalo]

I greatly appreciate you taking the time to say hello to people even in the midst of battle

[@IDHPI]

Thank you for seing trough Jingles video. I love your work and your style, please keep it up.

[@steveharris4958]

Excellent review of this ship and its capabilities. The way you maneuvered it and the amount of shots (both HE and AP) required to take down some ships almost makes it, IMHO, a heavy cruiser. It's amazing how quickly the main armament reloads, and very nice to see a relatively fast rudder speed. She seems to handle damage pretty well too. You had fires going a few times, and she didn't burn up too quickly. Thanks for the review and good game play Notser. I might just go out and get this beauty.

[@jadendesveaux7452]

About the NDA there are NA players releasing the stats and creating videos about the stats on German battleships, you don't do that but others definitely do. I think your talking about what Jingles said and he is right but he isn't talking about all NA community contributors. He was also angry that the NA wargamming office wasn't doing anything about the players breaking the NDA

[@Notser]

He isn't right though, he said that NA community contributors for World of Warships are releasing stats and creating videos on German Battleships. I personally know every single contributor and I know they haven't released this content.

[@SprayandPrayman22]

+Notser Drama yet lives, I see.

[@jadendesveaux7452]

+Notser i don't think he was singling out the community contributors, I think it was a general observation of people with the new ships which includes super-testers and community contributors. It's most likely not the community contributors but someone most likely a super-tester has been leaking information, and wargamming NA has been doing nothing about it which is the thing that's really bothering people because a few people are breaking the rules and are ruining it for the rest of them who want to do this fairly. Again he's not angry at the community contributors just wargamming NA for not caring and taking this seriously or giving out any punishments, for example a wargamming employee live-streamed a tank in WOT that was supposed to be under a NDA and even tweeted about it, that's what's getting people angry the carelessness and arrogance of the wargamming NA office.

[@jadendesveaux7452]

+Notser not saying you are wrong but that wasn't the point of jingles statement and he really wasn't pointing the blame

[@SprayandPrayman22]

+Jaden Desveaux Okay. I really don't care about the whole situation, but hell, I watched his video. He was putting the finger, placing the blame. There is no way in Hell he wasn't.

[@danielhoward6866]

Hey man was good seeing you in game. I was in the Budy that you cit'd. Thought I was behind that island enough to make it hard for you to get that shot off, boy was I wrong. Had to try to do something since no one else was pushing. Sad to say with 40k damage I was top point earner for my team.

[@DocterJones]

Both of you survived that time! Sweet gameplay!

[@albloke]

Thanks for the video Notser, I was thinking of buying this ship but with the lack of shell penetration I don't think I will now, I will just grind up to the Gneisenau with her bigger guns, Thanks sir, you saved me making another mistake like I did when I bought the Warspite!

[@blkjet117]

Notser, you could captain a barge made of cardboard and armed with giant sling shots and still have great games. You are a beast.

[@wulfwalker2514]

If your comments at the beginning of this episode are directed at Jingles, I highly recommend you watch it again. His comments were directed mainly at Wargaming NA. He even said if he was a NA contributor he would be doing the same thing. As a fellow Texan I understand the ire when I think my integrity has been attacked. Love your work bro.

[@Notser]

He's wrong, NA contributors for World of Warships do not break NDAs and it is very upsetting so many people would gloss over the fact that he was dishonest in his critique. So I stress that when you say "if he was NA contributor he would be doing the same" that implies we break rules and are above NDAs.

[@wulfwalker2514]

Thank you for taking the time to reply. Keep up the good work.

[@sailingmaster]

Scharnhorst looks like an extremely fun ship. Can't wait to get one! :)

[@Skaitania]

We might get an official statement at some point. The community contributors have a lot of pull with the players, if they have an issue they make public (false or not) WG might have to respond to it. Before that it seems to be just idle speculation. That being said, if some contributors have the feeling they are at a disadvantage, it should be adressed. Suspicions like this don't just appear out of thin air, and that they are completely made up on seems unlikely since the contributor's credibility is at stake. But thanks for a great review. Between you and Jingles I always get an accurate picture of how the ship performs. Keep it up.

[@MikeyBestSparky]

So many scharnhorst reviews!!!!!!! Can't wait to see how many there will be in each battle when it is released.

[@Cannonfodder69]

It will probably be like when the Tirpitz came out, so both teams will be made up mostly Scharnhorst players for about a week or so, and then the newness will wear off and we'll go back to the usual variety of potato teams

[@Kpoole35]

Im ready to see a team with Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, Bismarck and Tirpitz annnnnd the Prinz Eugen :}

[@muchasgracias5577]

I guess this ship will be epic with 7.2 km secondaries + torps. It will be a BEAST! :D

[@meandor900]

I have had a fantastic day. Cya Notser (:

[@macbeth2354]

Btw nobody attacked the NA comm. contributors, 'someone' just said that EU NDA's are not enforced to NA *by WG NA* which is a blunder by WG (or is intended that way) that does not have a global policy for these things. So don't get worked up for nothing :) And I remember watching the stats for the French premium two days ago, so yes, it does happen. I also remember the same 'someone' saying a while ago that EU doesn't have supertesters anymore, because they didn't follow the NDA's.

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

It does not make the NA server look any better, when they start a flame war. But it looks like they rather fight, Then see a truth. Abit sad tbh.

[@quinnwilder6990]

Ha! If this was about Jingles, we love him partly because he goes off on half-cocked rants from time to time. He's like a very entertaining old man yelling at invisible kids to get off his lawn.

[@tommeakin1732]

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Jingles because you've spoken about him before in a similar way. So assuming you are talking about him; I believe he was complaining about Wargaming North America doing things which he wouldn't be allowed to do, when theoretically Wargaming NA are being held to that same standard. I'm no Jingles fan-boy, I just feel you misrepresented that slightly. Feel free to correct me.

[@themacker894]

Just watched Jingle's review. Looks like a ship only a few people will enjoy, though I imagine some will purchase it.

[@RAZGR1ZGaming]

Nice video man keep up the good work ;)

[@xxeintyxx5235]

Notser I am assuming your talking about that jingles vid

[@Glockenfampf]

What i don't understand. the pen might not seem that great but you always get a bunch of overpens. How does this go together ?

[@Notser]

The size of the caliber and unable to get into the citadel section of the ship.

[@Flawlezz91]

i dont really know what's going on between EU and NA contributors, but I watched the scharnhorst videos of jingles, iChase and Notser so far and i'm going to watch Flamus review, too. because all of them are entertaining and informative :)

[@DrThunder2004]

embargo over. 3rd video on it I have watched today, not complaining cant wait for this ship.

[@pinkyandbrain123]

+Klasco Unknown Go for Flamu

[@ViperGTS737]

flamu, ichase have uploaded video too

[@williamdufour]

Damn I want this ship sooo bad! It is exactly what I was waiting for! Hybrid between BB and Cruiser.

[@BHavBA]

Notser I know you mean jingle's video on Monday, but sorry you are wrong. He is right, I've saw some video from NA with stats of those german ships shown or talked, now that is a confirmed NDA breach.

[@rangerh81]

What will be the schedule of streams ?

[@t0ng151]

Noster. When you take lead shots before 0.5.9, you used to attention at stopwatch animation with a flash but after 0.5.9 patch was done we can't use that function. How do you think of that patch? Did it affect whole times in your recent games?

[@WalkableBuffalo]

I'm not going to watch Jingles' video again but did he specifically mention breaking NDA for WoWS? Because I remember him saying it about WoT but not about WoWS

[@HUNDLEYGUY95]

WoT NA does not have Supertesters if memory serves me from the discussion over this on the WOWS NA forums. So the only ones he CAN mean is the WOWS ST group, which is patently false because all the times i saw German BBs in game the past few weeks, nothing was revealed. Jingles is just butthurt that WGNA marches to a slightly different tune than WGEU, just as WGRU and WGCH does.

[@Pow3llMorgan]

95.000 damage on a Budyonny? Not bad Notser, not bad at all.

[@Notser]

DOH!

[@Pow3llMorgan]

Minor slip of the tongue. Had to replay it a few times to make sure I wasn't imagining things. Anyways, good games and I might actually buy the Scharnhorst with all the excellent press it's getting and all the amazing replays I've seen from you and iChase, flamu, Aerroon and others.

[@davidhindle970]

I'd imagine the salt mines are currently emptying and assembling a pitchfork and torch wielding mob and setting course for your port Notser. 😔

[@kelanbarr9646]

Holy crap, the turn on that ship!

[@TeeDee87]

Could you add x or * when talking about amounts of guns / torps. example 9x 283mm guns :)

[@lordhellcat7560]

hey noster when switching ammo types it might be easier and it faster to do what I do which is to press the key of whatever ammo type u want to use during the reload and right after u fire it will automatically switch

[@Notser]

Yeah, I just hate commitment lol

[@lordhellcat7560]

+Notser haha great video man hope I see u in a game

[@GlassTopRX7]

Is this a live capture in replay? If a replay how did you retain the sights?

[@zam023]

In the first game, the BB's shell kept bouncing off your deck but you continue on to say that BBs with bigger caliber should penatrate Scharnhorst armour easily.That was funny.

[@Dreadwyn]

FFS I was still holding out for the Jingles/Notser collaboration ...... looks like that ships sailed....

[@TheTripleAce3]

Pun intended?

[@Dreadwyn]

icetech6 Perhaps a NA vs EU match headed by them would clear the water...

[@Dreadwyn]

***** It's an affliction ;)

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

Which we would loose since the EU have better players overall.

[@Dreadwyn]

Blood Sindri Perhaps, but it's worth noting that there's only so many spots on a team and Notser's stats are CONSIDERABLY better than Jingles.....even after they nose dived during his first stream.... we're talking 'not even close'. I'd be very surprised if Notser didn't know some similarly skilled NA players to fill spaces. Just for the record, I'm English.

[@JoeyDee86]

What's the base and potential max buffed range on those secondaries? I really like secondary builds on my Tirpitz, I know that there's a lot that I miss out on by doing that, but when I'm in there brawling and get 4 fires on a ship that I'm not focusing on with my main guns, or take out a DD, it's really satisfying to me. And to think Tirpitz really doesn't have good range on secondaries (6.8km buffed for me), but it does throw out a ton of lead. In matches where I have a good brawl, I can get an extra 20-30k fire damage easy.

[@Notser]

Secondary baseline range is 5.3km, there are 26 secondary guns as well. You can get the range up to 7.6km or so, it was pretty fun when you are close to the enemy.

[@JoeyDee86]

7.6km is really nice. I've been building a secondary captain with my Tirpitz, since it looks like some of the higher tier German BBs have much better secondary range than Tirpitz... Don't tell me more though, we don't want to anger Jingles... He'd quit just like he quit War Thunder ;)

[@LuisSanchez-wc1lc]

Hey Notser, when do you plan on doing your next stream?

[@Notser]

Definitely Friday, I was trying to set something else up for this week but it looks like Friday will have to be it

[@XpunisherX8152]

i think expert loader is an exception for this particular ship . say you have AP loaded but spot a DD , you can switch to HE within 10 seconds

[@MercFHire]

Here's the thing though, not once did Jingles say NA contributors. He said NA youtubers. You say that the ships are in the port and can be looked at, but this only occurred with the latest patch to live but BaronVonGames uploaded a video showing the German BB's in port on the test server and another youtuber, zachr99 uploaded ship stats which appeared to be acquired from the SEA side of the game. It's pretty hard to deny that they are American and since they are American we can assume that they play on the NA server, since they have KZbin channels could you perhaps call them NA youtubers... The point Jingles was trying to make is that he is annoyed that WG NA are doing nothing to prevent the leaks. But hey lets just point fingers at people pointing fingers but not actually say who they are and get butthurt saying they pointed fingers at certain people when they actually didn't because that's useful.

[@thomasemery4554]

You could in fact see the ship's stats while hovering over them in the pre battle interface if you had compare with my ship turned on.

[@nimay13]

What's up with Jingles? I thought Rita started all these acquisition.

[@mik1984]

Hi notser, what are these "bronze damage" "silver damage" "gold damage" missions you seem to have on your videos. Do you have to unlock them somehow? What are they?

[@lorischarrex4294]

how do you get this ship?

[@gusp6612]

notser, there will be an AP normalization change coming in 0.5.10, scharnhorst AP will be nerfed from 8 degrees to 6 degree, will this be a big change to her?

[@chs4000]

Hi Notser, and others, Why don't you use your repair (HP) party as soon as you can? I've noticed in several videos now that you delay using it -- sometimes for quite a while. Thank you, -Chad

[@lontongstroong]

Dedicated cruiser killer?

[@madlovezein1993]

Man, the sean horse is looks great.

[@MaxMustermann-gx7rq]

More a battlecruiser than a battleship. Should i really buy this ship? I dont know. ... But hey it's German so i will do. :) btw great battles Mr. Notser, as always!

[@sebalopez9474]

apparently does more damage with armor-piercing explosive bullets that are saved

[@CMDRFandragon]

The Scharnhorst is an amazing ship. IN PVE, basically go forward, guns blazing, and end the game staring at numbers that just shouldnt be.

[@sanderbergetelnes5926]

can u buy the scharnhorst?

[@vahlen5281]

Were are those supposedly NDA-breaking videos about the german BBs? Are they already taken down?

[@Notser]

I mean, I guess he's just talking about doing a youtube search for each ship. Everything I've seen was either really old or from replays

[@vahlen5281]

Same here. The newest things that show up are reviews of the Scharnhorst, the rest is just old stuff about the Großer Kurfürst taken via postmortem camera or simple port previews. For the moment I can only assume that a certain KZbinr took a sudden shit to the brain with his rant about some NDA-breaking players...

[@captain_dilbert1863]

Can you explain why said that you shouldn't use the info about the Colorado? Also, you should have shot at the Kongo because it was almost 20 seconds before you did shoot at the NY.

[@Notser]

I can't remember what I was talking about, I would say you should compare the ship to other tier 7 battleships

[@captain_dilbert1863]

+Notser you were talking about how the Colorado was not playing (AFK?) and that the info was relayed from the opposing team.

[@FighterofGD]

How can it be, that the NA players get an german battleship first... Well done Wargaming

[@Willeropp]

Notser your a god

[@johngilliland3409]

I hear it'll cost about $30...too expensive for me...I wonder how it will do against Warspite...I am also wondering if the ammo swap captain's skill will be a good idea on this ship...

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

If you think about it The Tirpitz, was 58$ at launch I believe, with the stupid flag packs, now it sits around 51$( Dont remember since i have it), But its a Tier 7, And if you look at another tier 7, The Atlanta, is 41$. So I'd estimate it will be 45$+ or 50$ under.

[@captsean660]

Battlecruiser. Probably be a good ship to fight with other cruisers in or another speedy battleship like the Tirpitz.

[@Kpoole35]

the name alone is badass.

[@justincrawford1207]

How do you get so much damage. I never get more than 70k

[@LordBruuh]

9:30. 95,000 points of damage? Damn notser :D

[@wanderingbread8770]

Notser, When will the Scharnhorst be released, or are you unable to say?

[@Notser]

+WanderingBread I'm unable to say

[@wanderingbread8770]

Thats unfortunate, Im ready to say the words "Shut up and take my money" to wargaming...

[@goodtruckgaming5819]

of course jingles was crying thats all the guy does, i mean he did report a guy for talking to him in game. about time someone told him to go to hell good job notser

[@kimmern999]

Finally someone who sees Jingles as what he is: a grumpy, old fart. I've always been somewhat baffled by how many people who genuinely like the guy's personality.

[@TheTemplarnight]

to each their own, i enjoy his content and i also Enjoy Notsers content, not everyone has your taste in KZbin personality's/channels

[@Tinywars]

I question anyone who doesn't like someone who knows what they are talking about. Jingles gives actual info and genuine advice. Notser plays okay I don't agree with his game tactics when it comes to picking targets. He chooses easy kills over the biggest threat. I'd love to see more videos of general game play not cherry picked good matches.

[@kimmern999]

Tinywars i understand that your take is that the end justifies the means. I'm fine with that. What I'm curious about though, is what you question about "people like me"? I've never questioned Jingles' authority - neither on military history or on the game itself. I just find his communcation skills lacking.

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

NA has the poor communication skills, 40% of jingles audience is from the NA, And they also agree. But the problem stems from Wargaming NA's issues. Which are blatant and obvious

[@schnitzel-ur3lu]

Nice vid keep going :D

[@Twannieboy]

The more Scharnhorst I see, the more I want it. Hopefully she will be released soon. Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and the other German BBs, my port will be busy :P

[@LeBoolet]

Tonight (EU 18H CEST) the PTS goes live with the German BBs :)

[@Twannieboy]

But you can't play them, at least that's what I saw somewhere.

[@LeBoolet]

really? Well we will know when PTS goes live. I hope I can play them tho.

[@Twannieboy]

Yeah, after all these announcements I want them :P But I see more people saying we can, so hopefully they speak the truth

[@LeBoolet]

Seems like we can't plat German BBs on PTS :(

[@RaGniToC30]

I thought the chance of a fire aplys to every single shell...?

[@geivnv]

I thought that you were above these streamer vs. streamer, youtuber vs. youtuber bullshit. And that is why I enjoyed your videos. You wont gain anything from this, believe me.

[@danielholland2317]

I really want this ship, when does it come out Notser?

[@danielholland2317]

thanks

[@frankvc5899]

+Daniel Holland there are no clue

[@thefellowsheep2318]

22 August

[@_IronAce_]

Beautiful ship. Don't really see the point in getting it when you can get the Tirpitz. I guess if you don't already have a Tirpitz

[@Mars_the_Pepega]

think of all the T10 BB drivers that will go back down to T3+ with their tirpitz captains . the seal-clubbing will be real

[@chowtom5174]

Hey Notser, a premium camo can either mean the captain likes the ship, or mean the captain really wants to grind the ship ASAP

[@chowtom5174]

wait are you talking about the permanent premium or the disposable premium?

[@Notser]

I'm talking the permanent premium that is unique to each ship

[@chowtom5174]

Notser I see, I derped there :D

[@TodayIFoundSomethingShiney]

Secondary build is bad w/ this, but would be FANTASTIC on the tier 8 GE BB

[@Brendon_-sp4zj]

I saw a video on the Prinz Eugen last week and it's still there today, so people do release reviews prior to there actual NDA release. Is it a WG approved contributor though? Doubtful, most likely the infos from China, data mined etc, so hardly useful. But it does give specific info about the ship which contributors aren't able to release owing to the NDA.... Unfortunately there are a number of people who will do everything they possibly can to get views, subs in increased etc, and it's up to WG to police them as well as there contributors... Maybe they simply think it's not worth there time? Either way great review Notser, I'm really looking forward to the German BBs so hoping there reviews won't be far away either..... Notser for president!

[@macbeth2354]

Black writing and white edges: no. The smaller font looks awful when watched on mobile (probably the white edge is still as wide as the big font but the black letters get thinner). If you want to make something that stands out you can put a mask over the rest of the screen (slightly darkened) and leave the numbers you read with their normal color. If you want to be super fancy, make that dynamic, changing as you read, so the stats stand out one by one. My 2c :)

[@TheJuan72]

If you get adrenaline rush is a lot of fun.

[@Track_Tension]

Do German battleships get a bonus to cause a detonation?

[@Notser]

lol no

[@PaulMacQ]

Looking at the chance of Fire 20% and the rate of fire, some 8" guns do more HE damage , only slightly lower chance per round for fire. Though rate for fire makes this worse than most Cruisers for setting fires unlike other Battleships

[@ricinus1385]

After the first game the achievement in question was the Fire Proof.

[@sfZ4M]

So many overpens even when full broadside. It really feels like a silent battleship nerf since the last patch. My overpen rate increased drastically and I'm still aiming the same way.

[@Notser]

I definitely feel like I overpen WAY more across the board

[@MustYouHaveAUsername]

The HE damage and fire chance is cruiser like (Zao HE = 3,400 dmg 19% fire chance, Scharnhorst HE 3,200 dmg, 20% fire chance) Scharnhorst HE is heavily nerfed because it was viable as an HE spammer (with BB fire chance it would set 1-2 fires per volley every 20 sec while dealing significant HE damage). With HE like that the Scharnhorst would eat Cruisers with AP, burn down BBs with HE and even counter DDs with HE.

[@Dalamarian]

Didn't Jingles claim that someone from Wargaming NA was actually steaming and tweeting about a ship the EU was not even allowed to talk about? If so then how is that not braking a NDA?

[@Notser]

Employees can do lots of things that others can't do, how does he KNOW that was breaking some NDA. It is inappropriate to discuss something like that without knowledge.

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

Its inappropriate to take shots at someone who was not really wrong. And yet you defending such behavior and throwing fire at him. Makes you look worse.

[@pallegantzhorn3742]

its 20 without captains skills, and i think its fair enough that its difficult to set things on fire, otherwise every scarnhorst owner would just spam he! this forces u to learn new tatics for the ship! btw this could be a teaser for putting heavy cruisers into the game later on

[@pallegantzhorn3742]

yh actually i was ty

[@D31er]

damn, i need this ship!

[@aabbbcccddd-x6k]

The roast of Jingles

[@wesleyverhoeks4296]

who else liked the AA guns ontop of turret 2 and 3 more?

[@MaxHDAvenger]

kinda confused about Scharnhorst being a battleship or a fast battleship?

[@bradchrisman4139]

Manuel Fernandez Scharnhorst is a fast battleship with a very hard to hit citadel.

[@thegreatxcelerator4224]

I still do not get it why people are fussing that much about this premium ship. Why? Well, to me she is a stripped down Tirpitz (find Tirpitz stats e.g. here: wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Tirpitz): -significantly lower caliber "balanced" by only one additional main gun, -lower number of torps (3 vs 5 on each side) -almost same top speed -a somewhat higher rate of fire (20 sec compared to 26.5 sec) - but with much lower damage dealt per salvo. Tirpitz DPM with AP ammo is 36% higher than the Scharnhorts. -Scharnhorst has less armor, especially regarding torpedo protection Okay, the Scharnhorst turrets turn faster. Plus, it is a tier VII and thus will never have to encounter a Yamato or Montana like the Tirpitz does today. However, she will have to put up with those Iowas and Izumos and Friedrich der Großes being low tier in a tier IX game - and she will be, given the high demand there seems to be for this ship. Those enemy ships are only a tad slower than she is but do have a vastly superior range. So stealth is her key advantage? I do not think so. Depending on how much you played your German cruisers, you can go for a stealth built with your captain. But, detectability of Scharnhorst and Tirpitz are not so diverse (15.2 km vs. 15.9 km), so both do benefit from that kind of built. In a nutshell, I still do not understand why people haven't bought a Tirpitz long ago if they feel they must own a premium German BB but are desperately waiting for the Scharnhorst to be released.

[@glac16]

men why shoot HE againts BBs,if he angled aim her superstructure that spot always do damage that the secret on playing cruiser againts BBs

[@Wynn19891030]

I cant imagine if this battle cruiser is matchmade into tier 8 or 9 battle.....

[@Alex-gn6ii]

It is a premium, so it'll probably have very generous matchmaking. I wouldn't expect any t9 games in this ship. T8 is probably the max

[@Wynn19891030]

Really?? But I sometimes went into tier 10 battles in my Kutuzov and Tirpitz....T_T....

[@Alex-gn6ii]

Not every premium has preferential mm. But there are a few with it. Normally it's on ships with lower calibers

[@unironicncplayer2036]

lol shots fired at Jingles

[@donniemontoya9300]

I don't think it's that NA contributors are breaking NDA. It's just that the EU is a lot more strict when it comes to that.

[@alexhufnagel7431]

Would be nice if WG would release a t8-t9 USN premium battleship.

[@Bigglesworthicus]

whenever the British sent destroyers against this thing it pretty much did what you did to that Minekaze. Battlecruisers ain't nuthin ta fuck wit

[@dubsy1026]

Then when the British send light cruisers after you, run away.

[@sidheshroks]

Who said what? I am confused.. What is the controversy on NA contributors?

[@Magic_Genie]

Jingles said it in his video Monday

[@Schlutzer88]

and its completely true lol

[@sidheshroks]

+zachr99 thanks .. i will check it out

[@Magic_Genie]

***** thanks haha.

[@jakekillify]

You badly misinterpreted what jingles said. Fact is, rules were broken by scumbags and war gaming NA didn't do anything about it. That is not open to interpretation, its a fact. Someone seeing the ship in game doesn't betray it's stats. Showing perspective game play with numbers, reload timers and detailed information does.

[@Notser]

He suggested that NA community contributors are breaking NDAs for German BBs and that is factually incorrect

[@DJVC1985]

I'm not saying you are wrong. But even knowing each and every one of them you have no control over what they do on the web, and is no guarantee that they didn't lie to you. I'm not saying they are, but I am saying it is a possibility, and even you, Notser, would have to agree that lying and decieving is something humans do, even among good friends, sadly. They very well might leak stuff or upload videos on YT under a false identity. The videos and stats had to come from somewhere. Could aswell have been EU contributors or Asia contributors, of course.

[@jakekillify]

Notser You cant possibly know that. People lie. So what if you ask them personally? they wont just admit to break those rules.

[@leokocyte8943]

Someone link me to a video of a NA community contributor breaking the NDA. I've just typed "Scharnhorst" into the KZbin search bar and spent 15 minutes looking through videos (those older than 1 day); the only videos I've found where people mention any stats of the ship are videos released about a month ago, by several _German_ youtubers, using footage from other people's replays (these replays show no in-game information on the ship, in themselves). Have the videos, that you are all talking about, since been taken down? Have I not been looking long enough? Was the NDA violated by American streamers, and not youtubers? To save me looking any further, could you just link me to the videos you are talking about? I'd be much obliged to you, thank you.

[@SamuelsShea]

+Notser I agree with you Notser about needing factual proof however that also applies to you as well. Asking someone if they violated the NDA isn't conclusive in the slightest and is about as valuable dirt. People can lie, especially on the Internet, and it would make no sense why they'd unabashedly proclaim that they did leak it. They'd lose their rights to enjoy these perks if they did, so asking someone and going on trust alone is not conclusive evidence in the slightest.

[@NickPoeschek]

Thank you for calling out Jingles on his BS. That video was about the most unprofessional way to raise his concerns. If he had a video with screen caps and date stamps proving his point, it might be worth listening to, but he had nothing but vague allegations. Sorry that decent guys like you and iChase and Zoup were painted as bad guys for doing nothing wrong. WG has bent over backwards in the past giving Jingles all sorts of special access and promoting his work, he has zero right to complain about being treated unfairly.

[@TocTeplv]

yeah, how about streaming WOT game with NDA tank?

[@parkerxgps]

Way to stand up for n/a lip sealing Notser. barvo, too bad I can't sub twice.

[@craig399]

look if jingles feels buttshurt about something he should keep his opinions to himself not go crying about something on KZbin for over 10 minutes knowing alot of people will see it and that will obviously spark controversy. if he feels so bad about it he should contact wargaming NA to confirm it was an NA contributor that released it instead of trying to make a factual statement without any actual stats as eu players have German BBs and I'm not blaming eu I'm just saying alot of people from NA and EU have German BBs so it could be anyone. Anyway im gonna continue doing what I came here to do and watch the video. have a nice day everyone 😀

[@TheTemplarnight]

freedom of speech can be a real pain in the ass lol

[@craig399]

Tell me about it. This is the perfect time to employ the phrase ignorance in bliss

[@captaindusty4884]

Agreed, accusations only result in starting a flame war, and painting all community contributors with the same brush is rather unfair. Besides I always thought most of the data leaks were from game client data mining or the China server where WG doesn't have much control

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

But Counter fire, and then flaming the you tuber in question instead of admitting having there own issues. Makes them the starter of the flame war. Specifically now all the "We hate you jingles you are wrong videos" are not coming up. So the toxicity of the "Supertester community" kinda proves jingles point. They are not pointing out any more factual evident then jingles, There just saying" Don't call us that, we now have the right to yell at you and defame you. By telling everyone you suck." yea...thats going to get you far...

[@OnFIFASkills]

I like the fact that you respectfully responded to Jingles, however you have missed a few points. Not everyone is as respectful as you, you might not have breached the NDA but others did and those were the people that Jingles was talking about

[@Aurelian_Lorgar]

2:16 to skip Notser Salt. Toxicity, is not a valid complaint, And whining and starting a flame war. It not a valid excuse. Specifically if you bring a "I am right, you are wrong" Montra. Does not make you right. There are problems with the NA server. This is a given. But Defending those people make you worse as a whole. Fix your problems, before you start a fight.