World of Warships Submarine Gameplay and Information from Gamescom

[@cosminlesutan3574]

So now a DD must: - spot for the team - go for caps - Deny areas/caps - Dodge incomming fire when there is a CV in the game - hunt subs And the lat part is the funniest since everyone besides WG know who is the number one target for everyone when spotted ...

[@flallana18]

Cosmin Lesutan I guess now subs are the number one target when spotted (since plane bombs and HE shells can hit them when at periscope depth)

[@WandererJester]

Seems fine seeing as without CVs being involved they are the most OP class in game.

[@camerong.5989]

Stephen Johnson I hope you are saying subs are op because dds as a whole class are not

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

"when spotted" If a submarine spot you, he must be on the surface, which mean everyone can shoot him. Or periscope range, which means he just not fast enough to evade even a ramming. Or submerge when he can't spot you. So if a DD who hunt a sub is spotted, he probably do something so stupid like mindlessly rush in a cap and die in the first 3 min.

[@cosminlesutan3574]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe Subs have the same speed submerged as on the surface... check their stream ...

[@CapitanoAraym]

Question: will the Balao-class have a pink camo? I refuse to play USA submarines if I CANNOT play it like the pink one in "Operation Pettincoat" movie!!!

[@estoyaqui5386]

It will be a limited-time offer for 6.000 dubloons, but only after you unlocked the buy-option via lootboxes.

[@CorporalAdrianShephard.]

Glupi Medo they gotta lock everything you want behind a paywall.

[@LarrysNetTube]

​@@CorporalAdrianShephard. at least it's free to play [smirk]

[@DrGromov]

only if one of the british subs gets a yellow camo when they come out.

[@johnparrish9215]

You have to unlock it by torping a truck.

[@alexfromgoogle]

Chasing the circles with your DD while the whole enemy fleet is shooting at you while you are radar-ed ;) Can't wait :)

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

They dont play there game...so they dont have a clue.

[@harriettedaisy2233]

You forgo perma spotted by CVs

[@azraelswrd]

chasing rings.... it's Superman 64 all over again, lol.

[@nualanet]

I don't want to chase silly circles with some auto-asw mechanic... I want a permanent 24/7 sonar ping and manual depth charges, Y and K guns, Hedgehogs, and ASROCS... Friesland already has ASROC launchers. As for speed... the fastest operational submarines in WW2, the German type XXI held the records: 15.6 knots (28.9 km/h; 18.0 mph) surfaced 17.2 knots (31.9 km/h; 19.8 mph) submerged 6.1 knots (11.3 km/h; 7.0 mph) (silent running motors)

[@estoyaqui5386]

I want realistic operational speeds for BBs too: 18-32kn. The 40kn of Georgia and Republique are ridicoulus, both are paper-ships anyway.

[@stanleyo5471]

Ya the auto ASW dose seem a little cheesy

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

People want manual AA too, I wonder what would you do if you chase a submarine, when a DD spot you and a DD start a gunfight at the same time.

[@loganmathewson3226]

I thought some Cruisers had some depth charges

[@saneeuropa1475]

Even bbs have

[@digitalbuzz]

Atlanta, Leander, Fiji, Emerald

[@stanleyo5471]

Idk why their just keeping it with DDs it makes no sense

[@azraelswrd]

@@stanleyo5471 probably only class (in general) fast enough to actually chase down those stupid rings, lol

[@stanleyo5471]

azraelswrd true but if their passing right underneath your ship it would be nice to be able to take them out also British Cruisers could possibly catch one

[@Ghosteriz]

My expectation = Silent Hunter, Cold Waters, UBOAT Reality = PAY 2 WIN

[@cursedowlsgaming5355]

I really don’t see this being balanced. I hope the oxygen timers are short otherwise the DDs are going to have way to much to do by themselves.

[@stanleyo5471]

Cursed Owls Gaming the only thing that would help would be a sonar consumable that can spot subs no matter what depth and giving light cruisers ASW abilities

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

There will be 2 type. Short but quickly reloadable, and long, but slowly reloadable. And if a sub waste it's air he'll be punished, when he'll need to dive but also need time to reload the oxygen.

[@praoscrihdoe5463]

I dont want it to be too short like the Halloween event. 30secs of air is unrealistic. Not saying this is a simulation game, or to give them crazy long times but 1-2 mins seems just fine. They are blind and cant do harm at depth so i wont be a problem as much as everyone thinks

[@Bobcatflyfish]

Historically, both the US, and Germans did develop “acoustic torpedoes”, the german model is called the G7e/T4 Falke, and if we go off of the real life model, the sub having to ping the target ship is actually them nerfing the real life mechanics, in real life it was more akin to a fire-and-forget missile, with the submarine not having to rise to periscope depth to fire its torpedo

[@stanleyo5471]

They were both devolved in 1943 so it dose make sense with the subs devolved in WWII

[@Bobcatflyfish]

Stanley O exactly, and the version that they have implemented is actually more balanced than the real thing

[@Jorakful]

@@Bobcatflyfish and the impemented version is alot safer than the ral thing. No torpedoe turning around because you or your teammate are louder than the enemies in the distance

[@Billy_The_Dog]

The whole chasing circles thing is stupid. Just have every ship in the game have sonar, that had it historically, and make it so sonar will passively spot subs on the minimap. Then have depth charges as a PLAYER CONTROLLED consumable that works like smoke screen puffs (fires of depth charges every 2 seconds for 10 seconds with cooldown; numbers can be adjusted for balance). At the moment the subs only appear to be spotted if they ping (which the whole homing torpedoes is another problem), which if you are able to cap in a sub, whats stopping a sub from just sneaking round stealth capping all game, but you can't see them because they never 'ping'? The appear to be taking a perfectly working concept from the Halloween, and trying to OVER COMPLICATE it. Also the chasing circles and AI controlled depth charges is just another way for WG to say that the playerbase are idiots. They did it with CVs (still cant control CV and planes at the same time).

[@duncancunningham5505]

That's why they have lack of air to make them surface where they can be detected by anyone

[@stanleyo5471]

British cruisers should have ASW because of the lack of HE shells and because their a light cruiser Edit - In addition most British cruisers in WWII were designed to deter submarines

[@gregholman2431]

Perhaps, in this game, maybe all cruisers should be outfitted with depth-charges/ASW.

[@ArterialCanine]

Stanley O It was actually ASDIC. ASW is the art or practice of Anti Submarine Warfare. ASDIC was the equipment.

[@stanleyo5471]

ArterialCanine sry ment to say asdic my bad

[@kmpaton]

Can you say Hedgehogs

[@toastermaster1125]

DD’s Checklist: - Provide Recon Support - Harass the Enemy Vanguards - Contest the caps - Avoid being perma spot by CV - Engage in ASW as soon the enemy subs are located Looks like we have fulfill our responsibility for the sake of “our team” as a DD main. Hmm, am I wrong or weak?

[@alien_marksman]

Kinda BS that Hydro-acoustic Search can't detect Submarines that have gone deep.

[@Jorakful]

Why? When the sub is below the thermal layer it becomes more difficult to find and if it has additional rubber/stealth coating like the german alberich it becomes even more difficult.

[@Smoking0Gun]

These subs aren't even close to the thermal layer, I'm sure. Unless they want to incorporate a thermal layer mechanic, subs just barely below the surface should still be detected.

[@wrtii2101]

@@Jorakful Can go through solid rock...but can't go through a "thermal layer" ughhhh I give up

[@GrumpyIan]

Not only that they are not that fast under water. I understand they need to balance them but at least make them go 15 knots at most underwater.

[@535phobos]

@@GrumpyIan Some of those boats didnt even make 15kn on the surface. Underwater max 10kn is reasonable

[@andrewrockingham8643]

I can't wait to test the Submarines on PTS or the up and coming sandbox. I just hope that WoWs Dev's listen to CC's and the player base during testing.

[@azraelswrd]

why start now?

[@andrewrockingham8643]

Hi @@azraelswrd I am sorry do not understand your question ?

[@azraelswrd]

@@andrewrockingham8643 I was being sarcastic in that the devs seem to stick to their plans, despite input/warnings from ST/CC's as evidenced by the CC summit where CC's warned them about upcoming issues, were ignored by devs (or brushed aside) and then the entire community blew up when it was publicly released (ie. NTC/Research Bureau)... so WG backtracked on global buffs.

[@andrewrockingham8643]

@@azraelswrd You are so right o7

[@andrewcox4386]

So if your DD doesnt want to go chasing submarines you are ******d? What happens if the MM gives you a game with no DDs & multiple subs? WG has a lot more explaining to do......

[@gregholman2431]

Ultimately, the inclusion of submarines in this game could be a real disaster, alright... But, we shall see about this, ultimately, in times to come.

[@DrGromov]

i could see it being balanced around "1 sub per 1 or 2 DDs on the enemy team" in MM maybe - or similar to CVs, limit to 1 or 2 per side

[@kmpaton]

No different when your DDs don't cap, your BBs don't delete Radar Cruisers, and your Cruisers don't hunt DDs.

[@andrewcox4386]

@@kmpaton A BB can cap, fight destroyers & spot. It just cant do it as well as a DD or a cruiser. If a BB can't attack a sub then you are at the mercy of your DDs to do it. That is a different situation.

[@B.Heff03]

Amazing, it already sounds so bogus. I was less than enthused that's an idea of submarines. At The Mention Of somewhat guided torpedoes, my lack of enthusiasm multiplied. The one caveat that I will give is that there were actually torpedoes with Magnetic detonators which would be triggered if they determined that's the torpedo itself was underneath the keel of a ship. Even with that, magnetic detonator were relatively unreliable in World War II. I can't see how they justify giving a submarine semi guided torpedoes if the sub manages to connect with any of its shots. If that's the case, then when are they going to implement semi guided main battery shells? Fair is fair. Also I think it's rather ludicrous only way a destroyer seems to be able to locate a submarine is if the sub active on Sonar. What kind of crap is that? Most Destroyers mounted Hydro / sonar. But for the sake of Destroyer line unique consumables, the Destroyer class is relegated to a form of passive echolocation versus an active form. Yet wargaming envisions Destroyers submarine Hunters that will screen larger vessels. I say no to this. Destroyers are already over tasked with anti Destroyer and objective capture roles

[@NoZoupForYou]

Yeah... homing torpedoes are... odd... makes it even more arcade like.

[@Ali80076]

Sonar should be radar for submarines at a certain depth sonar can detect submarines unless submarine hugging ocean floor Ill give them that for balancing purposes. and yes when my friend told me about homing torpedoes I was like, that cant be those never existed. then I see this .

[@B.Heff03]

@UC7LZgTzSbgKO7LQuMSu2JWQ i forget at what point in both nations arms development that they produced a semi reliable acoustically guided torpedo. Evem with that being the case, if I'm not mistaken acoustically guided torps were wake homing weapons which for the most part puts the weapon in a tail chase position. For the sake of the game and time frame represented, acoustically guided weapons should be a no go as those weapons were not prevalent throughout the majority of the conflict.

[@B.Heff03]

@@Ali80076 the problem with mitigation of detection by using surface(ocean floor) clutter in game is that the length of time a real life diesel/electric boat could remain submerged is measured in high hrs - days at a time. With the limited time of matches in game as well as the relatively limited mobility of subs, hiding on the ocean floor isn't really viable, especially if subs are expected to contribute to the match

[@azraelswrd]

@@B.Heff03 Yeah, we're using WW1-2 era boats so their guided weapons were..... rough, at best (when they worked at all). Subs are too fast underwater even in this demo. That DD should have been able to run him down but nope.... once he got the recharge of air, he was gone.

[@mrtencza]

Sabaton was the best part of gamescon, unfortunately the sound system available was terrible. #feelsbadman.

[@evanulven8249]

And DD players will completely ignore any sort of ASW gameplay in order to keep farming damage on battleships like they already do, meaning that the only time subs will be in any danger will be if they have to surface and end up in gun range.

[@sschuster2180]

so if its you in a Battleship or Cruiser vs Sub youre prettymuch screwed unless hes surfaced? the hell?

[@jessen4534]

How else you think subs can engage?

[@praoscrihdoe5463]

This looks BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!! I cant wait!!!!! Super mega hyped fir this. Cant wait to use magnetic torps and sonar pinging looks awsome!!!

[@Francois424]

It looks interesting enough, except that in all the footage, subs get annihilated easy without doing much. In order to have slightly homing torpedoes, the entire enemy team can see you... who in their right minds will use the feature? especially considering the above. I like the speed of subs tho. at least maintaining decent speed submerged is a nice boon (for all the good it does). I foresee ppl playing like this: Stay at the back until DDs are very busy or dead... Then start moving in and try to do hit and run with your torps. might even be wort it to sonar-link your torpedoes then.

[@michaelhorus282]

Subs should also be the best ships for recognitions

[@NickelPlateRoad779]

Honestly I was impressed with the beginning of the stage show on the live stream with that improv comedy or whatever he was trying to do. The sheer amount of pure unadulterated cringe on display was definitely something for the record books 😂

[@JimUSCM]

Loved SHIII, SHIV cant wait for subs.

[@durpsta1213]

MAN THE DECK GUN!!!

[@kevinc.3579]

IChase showed some tier 6 sub play. Sub was faster than US BB by several knots. And guided torps....lol. If this is done right it wouldn’t be a game breaker, but if not it’s the end of WOWS as a viable game platform.

[@kickit246]

Will Battleships have any way to combat subs aside from guns when they surface? I mean... BBs are pretty big... they should be able to fit some depth charges on board, right? Or mines or something?

[@nualanet]

DD's were meant to provide ASW and AA screens for the CV's and BB's...

[@renown6386]

Fun fact how Bismarck had depth charges.

[@christinarodriguez7508]

So the subhunter friesland will get some targets for its Antisubmarine rockets

[@drvnwolfwolfie1377]

Yeah, not a fan of the Destroyer gameplay they have in mind. I would they Rather have Sonar like they are supposed to have. They haven't thought this through either. so now we will have Messed up CVs and Subs.

[@diamunds2580]

They should really let some DDs set proximity sea mine.

[@tonkatoytruck]

Just seems "gimicky" to me with no real correlation to real submarine capabilities\battles. Submarines will be sitting targets with limited air supply and a very slow speed. And not being able to "see" a submarine when submerged with sonar is a joke.

[@stanleyo5471]

tonkatoytruck agreed

[@TheMuncyWolverine]

im not sure that ww2 submarines could actually see each other in WW2 with aztec/sonar

[@Billy_The_Dog]

@@TheMuncyWolverine Aztec? I think you mean ASDIC...

[@mikelight]

So only DDs can effectively counter subs, unless one surfaces near a CL/CA or a BB? I know they will be in a separate mode to start with, but once subs hit random battles DDs need to spot, avoid CVs and hunt subs? Not sure that sounds like a huge amount of fun if you end up with suicidal Yolo DDs on your team and the other team plays smart. How do you counter subs in the closing minutes of matches? A skilled sub captain could potentially avoid detection all game!

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

Surfaced subs are easy preys. Think about the CVs who hunt DDs, subs have even less AA if they have any. So a CV will instantly force the sub underwater where they use their oxygen. On the surface they are dead my BB secondaries any cruiser etc, in periscope range they not so fast so even a ramming is possible option, deeper they can't do anything, spot or attack, so they must leave that if they want to counter a capping cruiser.

[@jackaubrey8614]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe Even surfaced, you have to be close enough to see them, whether a surface ship or aircraft, and the majority of gameplay I've seen so far suggests that even surfaced they are going to be VERY stealthy - good luck spotting them with your BB's secondaries, unless they're total idiots.

[@DrGromov]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe i think the biggest issue will be the lategame, when few forces remain - take the classic example, your team did badly with capping in the early game, but over the game killed most enemies. only one remains, the enemies are ahead on points, your team has 5 players alive. but the clock is ticking down, and that one enemy is a submarine. good luck catching the mofo with his low surface detection, he doesn't even need to dive.

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

@@DrGromov That scenario you mentioned is as much true to a DD. Just think about what if your team has 5 BB and the enemy only left a Shimakaze in the same scenario you mentioned.. Even worse than a sub.

[@DrGromov]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe but if its not 5 BB, but rather a mixed bag of CV, BB, CA/CL, DD - one DD is fucked. one sub can still dodge all that shit.

[@Namoge]

Dear DD players ... this is yet another thing showing a clear requirement of you not racing off and trying to yolo cap or stealth around ambush torping solo. You will have to stay grouped with other ships to act as anti sub and support .. like you are suppose to. How many more ways do solo and yolo DDs have to be bashed at before they figure out to be with a cruiser or BB and work as a team? You are only suppose to spot in non CV matches , your not suppose to just cap solo etc etc. This is why WG keeps making it harder to solo/yolo for people.

[@eldridgep2]

Great so two huge blobs of ship circle around the map for 15 minutes that's fun and engaging. This isn't a convoy simulator in fact it isn't a simulator at all it's a dumbed down arcade game. Realism and WOWS have no similarity so you can forget that idea.

[@jackaubrey8614]

"You will have to stay grouped with other ships to act as anti sub and support .. like you are suppose to." Right and those 'other ships' will assume *their* correct role and sale as an organised battle group. Won't they?

[@toastermaster1125]

I support your ideal words, but in reality well, shet

[@hamzahnightflash4783]

I can't wait to see it in game! !!!

[@DarthMcLeod]

Questions to ask yourself: Does sub hunting look like it will still be fun the 1000th time you do it? For the sub? For surface ships? What's the play and counterplay each side has? Does this system have enough tunable parts that we can expect WG to deliver interesting variations on gameplay for at least 3 Nations and 4-8 tiers per nation?

[@jackaubrey8614]

NOPE :)

[@ewok40k]

iin Sean Connery voice: Give me one ping, Vassiliy...

[@gonotgone1]

I can see this becoming a total disaster, WG will rush to put this live as they always do and honestly it doesn't even look fun to play

[@Rct-ti6il]

I’m optimistic about this. It’ll be interesting to see other ships sinking as well. I hope they add the subs for the factions that used them, and don’t just give them to Germany and the U.S. though I understand a lot of sub power was held by them.

[@storytsunami]

I feel kind of bad for Destroyers now. Seems they have even BIGGER job than before. I hope Cruisers, Battleships, and Carriers will be able to assist in locating submarines. I understand whenever a sub pings, everyone on the other team will know where they are, but still. Doesn't seem fair to put it all on the DD. Hopefully that'll change. They did say this system is subject to change.

[@renegadusunidos6151]

aircraft carriers should add a deep charges bomber squadron.

[@Why_are_you00]

Balao Class!? But that's a DIESEL SUB!

[@nualanet]

U.S.S. Rustoleum!

[@Why_are_you00]

@@nualanet the sound when you get destroyed should be, "I'd have been better off in the MERRIMACK! "

[@adriaanvanwyk662]

Yeah, I think I'd just get Cold Waters or Silent Hunter if I want to play Subs. Wargaming might, and that is a big might, pull this off, but from what is shown here adding subs and ASW to WoWs is just going to be a hot mess.

[@azraelswrd]

considering they still haven't fixed their CV rework and AA.... yeah, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[@flllopakk]

well as you said it Zoup this gonna be a make or break release, they have a lot of mess to resolve yet, and this going to need a whole new addition to the game in consumables and new submarine intercepting ship skills. so they have to be very meticulous if they want everybody the welcome the subs.

[@notaidan4451]

I swear everyone on the stream went from ‘Subs suck’ to ‘Subs are OP’

[@Platinumsniper]

Oh boy that bear boxing performer......

[@renegadusunidos6151]

this will be a super headache specially in a random battle, as obviously theres a huge lack of coordination from it most of the time between team mates.

[@RIPGUTProduction]

How to win in a sub: 1) Wait for the enemy DDs to inevitably die in the beginning of the match. 2) Let the CAs/CLs slug it out. 3) Go Open Season on capital ships. (Why is everyone in the comments bitching about DDs avoiding planes? I barely see carriers anymore anyway. Let alone they are pretty pathetic now with the huge AA buff....)

[@nigelthompson7829]

WG havent fixed the great carrier fiasco yet. I doubt this idea will be any better balanced or even playable. looks like subs will be able to px spot camping cruisers, distracted carriers and even light smoked up DDs. Not leaving much of the player base un pissed off.

[@TheMuncyWolverine]

maybe the subs will solve the carrier fiasco lol

[@goatranchgaming2922]

They need to have a more active role for ASW select this weapon and choose depth like you choose torp spread they should give all ship classes they abillity to do so to

[@charliedontsurf334]

Even tier only? Please add in the odd tiers. I hate the even tier only CVs. They take forever to advance and they aren’t fun at tiers IV and VI.

[@rockstepguy3524]

I disagree with the last sentence, the most fun tiers for CV are IV and VI, good luck trying to hit someone in a VIII-IX-X battle with your tier VIII CV (even with an X one), everyone has overtuned AA except 2 or 3 ships, and if they are not dumb and they go in groups, you are just a big useless thing floating at the map, only useful for scouting.

[@charliedontsurf334]

@@rockstepguy3524 It's a fair point. People complained about the Tier X's so much that they buffed AA to the point that Tier VIII CV's struggle. I haven't played the Tier IV CV's since the buff (double torps on Hosho for example). I didn't find them fun. Since the buffs tier VI is better, but I still would like some of the old odd tier ships to be put back in.

[@rockstepguy3524]

@@charliedontsurf334 yeah, they said they will bring them back later, but with other utilities, just to make CV's more interesting.

[@charliedontsurf334]

@@rockstepguy3524 Maybe, that was quite a while ago, and with subs being even tiers only, I am not expecting them anytime soon.

[@Elmarby]

Nothing I have seen assuages my fears and doubts. This is going to be a massive shitfest. Again.

[@stanleyo5471]

Elmarby agreed

[@Chuddling]

i love this. the sub mechanics look fresh and really cool, giving a real purpose back to DDs since spotting has been stolen by CVs. very good, love this new introduction look

[@Salixczar]

It will only be the death of dds sitting in smoke... flanking dds and dds that stay with the fleet will benefit from this

[@cosminlesutan3574]

Because that is what we need... more camping together 20 km away from the caps...

[@dagucka]

2 years ago: coming within a year 1 year ago: coming in 2019 7 months ago: coming soon Now it's april 2020 and there are no tests, they have other things planned and we hear nothing new about it.

[@CorporalAdrianShephard.]

With submarines is every torpedo hit guaranteed to cause flooding?

[@chipzz86]

Rip dds you guys are going to be number 1 targets

[@stanleyo5471]

chipzz86 like the weren’t already

[@garakmadness]

Like they are not NOW LOL

[@GaryPq]

Salmon is T8? What about the Gato class? I can't imagine US subs without the Gatos. I'd much rather see a T8 Gato and T10 Tench and skip the Balao, if we can only have 3 tiers.

[@cracklingvoice]

Gato will be T9 or a prem.

[@dylanwoods9491]

what part of the tech tree is the submarine going to branch off of? i want to be able to work for it now so i dont have to then

[@nicolasledo2500]

I hate to be negative out the gate but... Train wreck sense is tingling. DDs don’t need more to do, or more reasons to be focused. Everyone needs to have effective and fair counters to subs or they will feel OP. If DDs are busy hunting subs they won’t be able to play the caps, or avoid CVs. I honestly think that’s too much to ask of a single class in randoms when many struggle to play DDs as is. I truly hope they make this work in a way that it adds to the game, but with the CV fiasco fresh in the memory I think this is poorly timed, and the focus on DDs is not going to work well and other classes will feel helpless against them unless they can be forced to the surface. Also what if there are no DDs on your team???

[@jackaubrey8614]

All perfectly valid points

[@toastermaster1125]

I agree

[@crusader1997]

Some cruisers should have depth charges because what is nearly always the first ship to die is a dd and a dd will prob get one shotted by a sub

[@mischermer4767]

I can see this easily developing into submarines being to World of Warships as SPGs are to World of Tanks. Amazing how the destroyers are faster than the torpedoes though

[@michaelsasylum]

The death knell of WOWS has begun.

[@Threesixtyci]

As if DDs aren't overburdened enough...

[@commanderporthos357]

Hey nozoupfoyou are you interested in the gears of war five preorder? Microsoft and steam sell it on the PC download and it comes with different characters available depending on where you purchase the pre order.

[@digitalbuzz]

I see mines, wondering if that will be a consumable

[@Phineas_Freak]

They said in the stream that the mines are just a placeholder graphic for depth charges.

[@digitalbuzz]

@@Phineas_Freak hm. I missed that..thx

[@thepiratemongoose8965]

WG: "Submarines have to be fast so they can position!" USN BB players: "WT actual F?"

[@DracoGaming565]

Y the hell only 6,8,10 instead of like 5,6,7,8,9,10.

[@ashenmedia5816]

Part of the idea I'm seeing is that because of the fact that there aren't that many upgrades between submarines throughout wwii. To actually see change in the ships they need to jump major groups of ships, and those changes are normally huge in terms of design speed armament, etc. So, to show progression and help with you getting a hang on the mechanics, they made it jump tiers like CV's. :)

[@Fr33Zone]

man, you have lowest volume on youtube. we need special amplifiers for your channel :(

[@nuggetrok7003]

Battlecruiser would be easy targets now. Lmao 🤣🤣

[@zoltanladanyi6549]

És mi van azzal a nyilatkozattal amit kicsit több mint 4 éve írta a feltett kérdésekre a fejlesztők? Akkor azt mondták, a World of Warships-ben soha nem lesznek tengeralattjárók... Hmm?

[@littlepeep7380]

Yeah. So when you are in a DD trying to evade a CV and are now spotted by a sub as well. Your life expectancy is less than a spotter plane flying over a des Moines. Then when the DD are dead then what? I think it's the end for me in wows

[@jakub7244]

If you want to kill your game, ask WG for advice .. theyre the best at that sort of thing

[@jessen4534]

Lmao stressed because your BB maining ass gonna get pounded?

[@Sausagepandathesequel]

Wil the submarines be in the console version world of warships?

[@VuHien2011]

US logic: a tier 6 sub is Cachalot and a tier 8 sub is a salmon...at least the German UXXX number is going up with the tier..just joking.

[@cracklingvoice]

We kinda just picked a name at random for each class.

[@GrumpyIan]

Is that DDR Dancepad on stage?

[@fredricknietzsche7316]

its ok for subs to play in areas. ie they go slower. OR at full speed they are easier (not easy) to detect and when slower they are (much harder to detect ) for subs speed is a detection variable. have them go slower but give more air! also should be able to shoot submerged (but with less visabilty ) sub on sub play submerged is MANDATORY!

[@cylonred8902]

Can you ping another sub and get the homing torps against a red sub?

[@snafufubar]

They are going to need a button to choose sub game or no sub game. Then see how popular they are. They keep saying the player base want subs so let them choose. Should have done it with CV games .

[@EvilTactics87]

Looks interesting, but they have to get the economy under control why can’t things go back to doubloons and silver and xp

[@Smoking0Gun]

Hydroacoustic search not being able to detect submerged subs is really annoying. Hopefully they can change that.

[@julyyyantokuuuan5148]

Will submarines effective for base capturing ?

[@Straswa]

WG had better play this carefully if they insist on going ahead with submarines in random battles. First off, we need more countermeasures, CV/BB/Cruisers need special ASW aircraft so they can fend off subs too. Not happy the devs are skipping tiers again and starting at tier 6.

[@toastermaster1125]

straswa its not necessary needed so far since its the main job for the DD

[@Straswa]

@@toastermaster1125 No its needed, otherwise the larger ships will be totally helpless against submerged subs. I would much rather have an ASW aircraft consumable on my cruiser/BB than have to beg a DD to come save me from a sub.

[@toastermaster1125]

straswa hmm it could be a case but lets leave WG so far

[@crusader1997]

Guys don’t dive your subs until your enemy is detected

[@EinApoStein]

BTW, the guy didn't translate everything what the German said. Anything unclear I'll translate it for you. Just timestamp and comment below.

[@eldridgep2]

If a submarine is at periscope depth can it be affected by main battery guns or secondaries?

[@azraelswrd]

Doesn't look like it. Only at surface are they vulnerable to conventional weapons by any ships. Under water, only DD's can do dmg to them. Looks like subs can't even counter other subs since their torps run at surface depth, lol.

[@eldridgep2]

@@azraelswrd So literally no point in ships other than DDs detecting them if they are not surfaced then. Just means DDs will be even more of a target.... Guess I'll be playing a lot of DDs then come release date. It'll be 2CV's, 5DD's and 5 subs come launch week. Grinding low tier BB's will be it's own level of hell 😉

[@stanleyo5471]

It looks like only HE shells can effect them at periscope depth 14:58

[@citronvand]

From the WoWS news section: "at periscope level, she can be attacked with HE shells, rockets, or bombs. Such armaments will be able to affect targets within a certain radius of impact (splash damage)." So I guess it depends on if the secondaries fire HE or not. But everything is subject to change so don't expect things to stay as they are.

[@eldridgep2]

@@citronvand Hope that is the case I'm specifically thinking higher tier German BBs so HE secondaries is not an issue 😉 With hydro and a secondary build could prove more interesting.

[@pilotaburch172]

When are Theis subs coming out

[@mayer492]

holy fck, can these subs can actually do something against KMS and HMS destroyers?

[@_dexcon_7008]

Any1 knows if they will implement the H2O2 system of the XXI?

[@Leavon]

They'd best add a no submarines feature to select battle.

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

That is never going to happen. It is even more likely that they'll just delete this class entirely before making it optional to play against.

[@RuneMasterKnight]

hope US subs would not have the same problems with the Mark. 15 torpedoes like what happen during the early days of ww2. one last thing am a carrier main can my planes have air-born depth charge and can US and British destroyers use Hedgehogs? those weapons won the allies the battle of the Atlantic.

[@whitelotus6130]

can you ram with a submarine ?

[@dang1423]

This submarine gameplay looks just like Steel Ocean.

[@eisigerwurfel7164]

DD's launch too many depth charges and they deal too much damage.

[@0007Robert]

Hmm...WG broke the game with CV's, then attempted to fix it. Then the Russian BB line came and further showed their bias, at least the Slava hasn't been publicly released yet with it's 'more accurate the further away it is' mechanic, seems like WG are doing their hardest to break this game 🤦‍♂️. I see this as breaking the game and more than likely, causing it to go under in the upcoming years unless they pull off a magic trick and something mysteriously happens.

[@mayer492]

what is the music?

[@NavaNix]

half the DD´s yolo and die in the first half of the game the rest of the DD´s that know better is going to die from being perma spotted and hammed by CV and enemy fleet Like DD`s arnt over burdened as it is

[@azraelswrd]

and now we have an entire line of smokeless DD's so their lifespans are even shorter than most, lol.

[@Ultrajamz]

Sub v sub torps at depth?

[@slapshotgaming1525]

Are carriers coming to console?

[@conandude76]

Deepwater torps not deepwater confirmed.

[@pikkozoikum8523]

Gebt mir ein U Gebt mir ein Boot U-Boot!

[@catnium]

the volume on this is absolutely terrible

[@R4NJ3R]

Wish they'd hook us up on console with Subs but we are still missing lots of things pc has already so.. screw us right?

[@jessen4534]

Switch to PC. Simple as that.

[@R4NJ3R]

@@jessen4534 Give me the money for it. Simple as that. :/

[@jessen4534]

@@R4NJ3R Sure sure. You can get a somewhat decent PC for the same price of a PS4, dont joke around.

[@WethDeath]

submarine experiences X DD player experiences +1000000000000000000000000000000000000