World of Warships - Yamato Secondary Build 0.5.7

[@Scytho1994]

I just don't understand why people won't just shoot their guns, why did that Mogami turn? Why are some players so stupid...

[@gummi1360]

looks like he wanna torp,idk

[@tomasmracek7010]

yes stupid potato!

[@stevenbeasley24]

Mogami went potato.

[@Snagabott]

The Mogami has torpedoes, you know. That means he *must* use them, right?

[@drummachine86]

+Snagabott haha yeah, both sides ftw

[@daconias]

Thanks again for the great replay! I can almost feel the salty sarcasm in the end. ;) That mogami is the perfect example why I don't play this game anymore. One of my most memorable games was in a BB, where half of my team "suicided" and the other half sailed around, while I killed three CAs, two BBs and one DD, but still had more enemies coming and finally got destroyed. In the end it was defeat and the enemy players raged in the chat calling me a cheater. So much fun!

[@akizukiKaiNi]

Thank you for another Yamato video! As much as I want to have her, the repair costs hurt me at Nagato so I stay at T5-T6.

[@mylenewhalen5375]

An odd place where I have had some luck with secondary battery builds is in IJN CVs. The fighters are so weak that they die no matter what, and the modules to improve them don't seem to do much. However, the secondaries can and do kill DDs, so improving them has worked out for me. It also means better AA, so it seems ok.

[@UnstablePyro19]

Notser I just unlocked the Nagato, my first tier 7 ship other than premium. Im finally happy to play World of Warships again and can have fun again

[@kostasgalanis8061]

thats what i actualy did too, its super fun to get close quarters expert at 10km, great video as always notser

[@galacticforce1]

Interesting tactics, I really like watching these videos.

[@Lamoot01]

So crushing that ending. Had something similar today with only gearing left in opposition and a fubuki refusing to spot so the BBs could fire on it. He'd " done his part" ...... Watched last 50 points tick away 😓

[@philiphewittii2605]

I agree, the enemy DD was the right target to shoot in the end...sucks the last player on your side couldn't read the mini-map...but that is Random Battles for you.

[@RauSiMic]

Watching this getting to the battlefield is like watching paint dry.

[@frenchiee_96]

that mogami lol UCHUU SENKAN TOOOMAAAATOOO

[@Warmasterch1ef]

Hey Notser! Thanks for doing this video, I was really curious as to how the Yamato would perform with a full secondaries build. It seems like it's very situational and you'd have to pretty much put your ship out there where everyone in the enemy team can spot you and take shots at you at a short range. I'll stick to my stealth build on my Yamato for now. Having a secondaries build on the Yamato is too risky with very little reward. Not worth it in my opinion. Thanks again for saving me the trouble of testing it out myself and spending doubloons to do it.

[@gigabyteaurora]

Was in this game. We had two deaths by teammates, and that Mogami who seemed to have no idea how to play, very frustrating, especially when Notser almost carried us to victory.

[@dontrotter1099]

poor Notser. The world of multi player games. When i saw that last mogami in the position he was in close to end i knew he was bad. i saw where the enemy ship was when he was shooting you and when the mogami turned to right .... lol great fight as always.

[@still_guns]

Your little history lesson on the Mogami turrets is a bit off. The Mogami class was designed to use both the 155mm triples and the 203mm doubles. For whatever reason that has escaped my knowledge (possibly the IJN's lack of new CL's), the Mogami's were designated as light cruisers and two were built with the 155mm turrets. However, Japan cast off the Naval Treaties and started building unrestricted ships, meaning the Mogami's got their 155's switched for 203's. This wasn't the best idea, however, as the Mogami's were notorious for being top-heavy, unstable ships, and the IJN really suffered from the lack of effective light cruisers, being forced to use the ancient Tenryu's and the unsuited Katori class training ships in combat.

[@MauriceChavez353]

Don't know if you're aware but if you hover over your ships HP indicator in the bottom left you'll see almost all port info about your ship plus you will see how many secondaries and AA you have atm.

[@emiliomoreno3256]

What happened to "and Concealment again!"?

[@Notser]

Just a special test build to see how secondary guns work out

[@alexzuelke5209]

can you redo this video now that the secondary battery ribbon is out? would love to see those hits rack up

[@disciple16]

some people are just too heavy to carry Notser,you played well. GG

[@ericzaiz8358]

History time!The Mogami was original built and launch with the 155s to compile with the London naval treaty of the 1930s. After Japan pulled out of said treaty, around 1935-37, they pulled the turrets and replace them with the 203s.The Yamato class originally had four turrets of 155s, the two center line ones that shot over the turret that you can see ingame. And two waist turrets on either side of the superstructure. Techically if Wargaming wanted they could have two hulls for the Yamato, the A hull with the four triple 155 turrets, and the B hull which is what you are playing. The A hull will have far less, basically zero AA, and you know B hull. You can do the same with the montana too. The original version that the USN was going to build could only hit 26-28 knots max, then there a version called the Scheme 8 which had the same armor as the first but could hit 33-34 knots. You can see the plans if you go to Navsource. As for why the treaty split cruisers up by guns sizes? You can blame the british for that. They didn't want people building super-cruisers, think the Alaska Class basically (or a five turreted Des Moines), but the other countries still wanted ships with 150-155mm and ships with 203mms. So they split it into two types, the Heavy Cruisers (ones with the 203) and Light Cruisers (150-155) and said you can only build X amount, forget the specifities, that was measure in tons. How that work was by give a country XXXXXX tons they have to play with that when you add the weight of all the ships of that type up can not exceed. Needless to say both the US and Japan got to rule lawyering.There you piece of history trivia for you all.

[@Maxkleer]

So painful watching the Mogami at the end... jeez. Just like you said - the same with the Cleveland yesterday.

[@eltiburon1983]

that last mogami... i would have thrown my monitor outta my window seeing this in my match lol ...

[@zolotto]

Love your vids!! Thank you!

[@muchasgracias5577]

secondaries for : DD close, CA and BB medium range ( nice to set them on fire). Especially the 155 mm secondaries are nice for "broad side" CAs.

[@blowtup]

I would like to know when i temporarily incapacitate and destroy a module. all it says now is impactation.

[@williamluo6084]

Hey I am wondering is the secondary reload increase useful?? I just wanna buy the one that is worth for the 3mill credit. The other one I am thinking about is the main battery reload increase.

[@Notser]

I don't think it is useful

[@PorscheRacer14]

As beast as the Yamato and Nagato and even Izumo secondary builds were at first, the Iowa and Montana have some crazy rate of fire and accuracy now, with range. I've melted Gearing's with my Montana's secondaries. Heck, even for the lols, the Cleveland's seconadries are pretty good. And for ultimate Seal clubbing Russian DD's t low tier, the St. Louis's secondaries add on some good damage. Check I out!

[@dolomaticus1180]

Cause like I said the last time you did this: YOU changed your play style and tried to just get kills with them alone. You are confirming your bias and not really testing out the secondary build. The thinking behind it is that while you are being aggressive, the secondaries add in and allow you to focus on other targets. But I noticed you actually put yourself into bad situations where the secondaries would not help no matter what. Overall your good, but at times you get too much locked into a mode of thinking that blinds you to other ways the game is played. If the secondary build really didn't work, it would never have caught on with some people in the first place.

[@d.c7464]

LOL and the mouse learns to fly !!!

[@soal_inside]

And the Mogami at the end of the battle... derpiness level PRO.

[@philhornby5797]

The problem with the Yamato secondary is that it fires AP too much. If it fired HE more and you have the right flags you get more damage. Did you not start any fires? That's how you start to get larger amounts of damage. It is a very situational set of skills. I wouldn't get the secondary health bonus either, best to get main gun upgrade in slot 1.

[@bagelsecelle9308]

That moment when Notser Tilted.... That Mogami in the last was a big idiot

[@ratcity9465]

when i play a secondary build i use it for shot at BBs and cruiser unless theirs a dd around 6km away

[@themacker894]

Hey Noster, it would have been very helpful if you had gone through each ship at the damage screen to see where the 20k secondaries came from. Did they make a difference on the last ship kill, or did they primarily miss? Is all the damage from larger ship hits, or did they take a chunk out of the DDs? I'll have to say the aim on the secondaries is still just awful, though, especially at range. Thank you.

[@xAnimeID]

I like to imagine WG staff look at all Yamato games dressed in a sailor moon outfit shouting BALANCUUUU

[@thestone9134]

Whenever I see the Yamato in a video I hear the Intro music från LOTR and whenever I see a Yamato fire I hear The Bridge from Kha za dum from LOTR. The only time I have faced fire from an Yamato I heard the Lonney Toons ending "That`s all folks"

[@louningutube]

Gosh! Notser u did great! But that last mogami wasted all your effort T-T Enjoyed your play! Thanks for sharing!

[@ROMANSOLDIER3]

Would absolutely love to play on this patch...

[@19DESERTFOX91]

Im really surprised your secondaries did so little damage I mean it was a about 2-3 months ago but in an Atago i got next to a Yamato 9km away and his turrets facing away tried to torp and fire on him yet no more than 10 seconds later I went from almost full to just below half health. His secondaries were blazing away too. I think a lot of your secondaries got taken out. I have yet to get that close to a Yamato since then because those secondaries messed me up so quick.

[@neilbaird2789]

That Mogami went full potato there at the end.

[@TheJaemilz]

Notser that mogami made me yell at my computer, I could feel your frustrations. Good vid otherwise!

[@Ryuzakiqwe123]

hey Notser does the yamato stand a chance with Iowa in a battle? i have been hearing iowa i a better ship than the mighty yamato....

[@Notser]

+KuroUmi Maybe in speed and gun traverse but at range the Yamato should win the engagement

[@Ryuzakiqwe123]

are the guns on the yamato accurate even at her maximum range? since iowa guns are really good because of their accuracy

[@Notser]

Yamato has guns that will do just fine at range

[@ahrendsfacullo9272]

Yes

[@gabrielg.e.j9060]

KuroUmi well the Yamato just shits on the face of Iowa with the lol pen and citadel to death from the bow

[@32Jerm]

i thought there was already a ribbon to show 2ndary hits if u turn on advanced ribbons

[@frankvc5899]

Notser if u can i have a request: when 5.8 test arrives can u use the PA to get the german BBs and show us?? I want to see them!!

[@Notser]

I can't use the Press Account with the test server, it requires special interaction from a WG rep. I will try to show off the German BBs as soon as I possibly can for the channel

[@Sicklehead88]

5.8 is already in public test and everyone can take part (as always). But you won't see any German BBs in 5.8 and most likely not in 5.9 either. Expect the German BBs around August, so 6.0 might be the patch you are looking for.

[@lem0nification]

Thank You for reminding me why i stopped playing this game ;) All in all nice game ;) Cheers!

[@TheTripleAce3]

I've been waiting to see this!

[@GunnyGreenhill]

Just wows, wtf was that Mogami thinking?

[@emerson_west]

The last battle: I see people do that all the time, the are so intent on sending out torpedoes, when their guns alone would end the battle. I don't get it, but some love the idea of torping more than results!

[@leonardokevin8629]

Notser can you make video about CV Tutorial.I just get Hosho and I think I kinda let down my teammates. :) +Notser

[@GasLeak]

Hey, you can easily go practise your carrier skills or any ship you own and mess around without fear you let anyone down in training room. Just google "aslain wows modpack" and install there the mods you like, there is that training room-"mod" aswell. :)

[@leonardokevin8629]

+FrozenFuelPump Thx a lot I will consider it.

[@Crosshair1990]

Wasn't that the treaty of London?

[@sgthop]

Yes, it was the first London Naval Treaty. Washington Naval Treaty was in regards to battleships and battlecruisers, and gave us the Lexington as an aircraft carrier instead of what she was designed as. Same with the Akagi, which was meant to be a battlecruiser of the Amagi class, which we see in game as designed.

[@fletcherriverwood8964]

Some say:"Not even Noah can carry those animals"

[@MrRagequitnow]

Have you choked your potato today? That Mogami did. Mini map is your friend, and can be enlarged. Helps avoid tactical beach parties, and trading paint with friendlies. Sea Salt, is Best Salt.

[@muchasgracias5577]

finally the secondary build. GET CLOSE :D

[@meandor900]

Awesome video awesome ship! fucking testosteron everywhere fucking awesome!!

[@michaelpage4199]

ran out of nails to bite on that one. wow

[@christiananibas5373]

Since I like my secondaries as well, I welcome related ribbons!!

[@muchasgracias5577]

but its really depending on the team, if they show up, u pound them. got sometimes 30 k with secondaries :D

[@BattlefeildTroll]

so you do not recommend secondary build?

[@themythicalfire809]

does a yamato aa built and a montana secondary build works

[@Notser]

A AA build for the Yamato could definitely bring the ship up to the levels of the Montana before any AA upgrades for that ship. Montana possibly could do a secondary build but you'd probably give up 2km+ of range on the secondaries.

[@themythicalfire809]

ok :)

[@lardass9532]

That secondary range Kreygasm

[@matscollin3194]

Anyone else who has a better experience in Nagatos secondary build then this Yama? Or is it just me?

[@zam023]

I knew that Mogami was not reliable. Just look where he was earlier, hiding behind an island afraid of the Shimakaze. The best way to counter a DD is to rush them head on and detect them as fast as possible.

[@HobbiesRfun]

This is typical high tier game play. Low to mid tiers, players seam to be willing to take chances, push harder, and do what it takes to win. Once they get to tier 8, a major case of the wimps sets in, and most spend pretty much the whole game sitting in the back, hiding behind islands, and sniping at max range. When the enemy is pushing and capping, then the wimps on the friendly team cry and bitch about no one capping and advancing, but won't do anything themselves. If you do try to push in high tier battles, most of the time you'll be on your own, and if you start to get focus fired by the enemy, your team won't do anything to help, but will just hide behind islands and in the back, watching you get gang raped. I love my high tier ships, but hate high tier game play. because of this my high tier ships see very little action, making me wonder if it was worth the grind for my North Carolina, Iowa, Des Moines, Amagi, Fletcher, and hopefully the Yamato in the future, or the big bucks for the two premium tier 8 cruisers I have, the Atago, and Mikael Kutusov.

[@Bunch007]

That mogami is almost as frustrating as Ranked

[@Dumb-Comment]

When i see the yamato they would hide behind everything and never come out

[@lavixl]

Why did that hipper stay broadside to a Yamato? I don't get it.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Looked like he was running for cover. In his situation the decision wasn't as terribly as normally. An Admiral Hipper has no chance to survive for long regardless of angling or maneuvering against a Yamato. So running for cover and hoping RNG will save you for as long as it takes isn't as stupid as it seems. He could have maneuvered or slowed down to throw off the aim, but that would also have de sure he would stay under fire for longer. If he had survived the salvo that killed him, he might very well have made it to safety. Of course he could also just have been a total derp that didn't even consider the gravity of the situation... A bit like the Mogami later on... urgh.

[@lavixl]

Thats true. I'd like to think i'd turn away and make a smaller target. But that close you're pretty much dead vs. that BB.

[@misio070]

Even when you are in Yamato you should not present a broadside to a cruiser too. You see how every cruisers shell hits for 1k+ damage? Multiply it by 8 now and he is doing 8k damage per salvo which is really significant becouse Yamato is broadside. Don't show broadside in any ship if you don't need to. AP shells will hurt no matter how much armor you have.

[@xxxxCronoxxxx]

so it isnt just the bad dispersion of the secondarys thats the reason why they suck so much, its the fact that they dont even try to calculate lead ether. they can get their bots to do it adequately enough why dont they even try with the secondary gunners

[@williamluo6084]

Also the only weakness of manual secondary is, the fact U can only target 1target at a time, even when there is a ship on each side of u

[@TheMechanizedsnipe]

oh my god that mogami at the end gave me absolute cancer. Side note notser, y u never feature any of my or gaishu's replays (((

[@MrAlbutiu]

gg!we don't all understand the dynamics of the game .

[@Miniahobbies]

Notser.. the "Nose" of the ship is the Bow, not the stern :)

[@demoskunk]

Secondaries should have the same stock range as the equivalent primaries of a DD or CA.

[@jakeogroton]

do a secondary build with the Tirpitz to make a super bb brawler

[@chowtom5174]

Ive been saying this for a long time and I will say so again That Yamato must've stolen some mogami turrets for herself.

[@MuzzCat05]

Man it is crazy how slow he was right here

[@PsyJoeTV]

"And since he's outside our range, we might aswell use our secondaries" and then fires main battery :D Have you played too much secondary build lately Notser? :P

[@mobstamaniac]

1:04 am, man.....why you do this to me

[@molybdaen11]

Verry impressive, here you can see that its not nessesary that your shells explode inside the enemy destroyer - they just sink it with theyre weight :)

[@tsuaririndoku]

Let me guess, that mogami is 5 years old kid who plays his/her 20 year old brother or sister or His/her dad XD

[@Yusuf1187]

That drives me bloody mental when I see an allied player turn in the most stupid direction possible that makes their turrets all face the wrong way. I have no clue what they could be thinking.

[@TimeRift609]

*waves from the friendly atago* Hi mom!

[@Diggerless]

Did you forget the flag Notser, you should be able to get secondary range to 11.1km, I believe someone somehow got it to 11.4 in the 057 PT.

[@Notser]

+Diggerless I used the secondary signal flag

[@ghunt81]

That's not possible, I have all possible secondary upgrades on my Yamato and it's 10.6 with the flag.

[@Diggerless]

+ghunt81 Something must have changed since the PT as I managed to configure them to 11.1km

[@lookatmyprofilepicture.coo9937]

+ghunt81 maybe a combo a captain skills the flag and mods to get it at a 11.4KM range

[@francoisgreasem9320]

Secondary build good but use reaload main battery it important and not useful -60% anti dispersion secondary gun (on captain build) why because u have more chance to hit dd and others with dispersion secondary gun

[@geovanigeraldine9900]

notser my server is wow asia theres a change i compete u? ur wow na right?

[@Notser]

I am NA, I'd love to get access to accounts on all the servers for playing with viewers.

[@rpra6435]

Notser do not understand my in bad way - i like your channel - your wows videos like we all are here. We will watch it in the future and support you, give likes and positive opinions about Notser nice guy !! BUUUUUUUUT ... No one will convince me that build for secondaries is worth anything in WOWS even in Yamato and Izumo that are the best ships for that build ... Notser this is pointless man ;) really ... If you are close enough long enough for them do to anything usefull you are dead already because of torpedoes or just gun fire :D ... Simple is that.

[@rpra6435]

and in the end you see that because this is just ... easly to see. WG afraid of secondaries being overpowered autodamage soo ... they make them soo useless that any buff to them won't change that because wg still afraid of them being too strong more than wants them to be really usefull ...

[@Notser]

lol, yeah just tried to out to share with the channel. I also prefer other builds to this build

[@krostouin]

Same for me, I find the Yamato's secondaries really effective below 7.5 km ish. Increase the range & accuracy dont change that much. I stick with modules : Secondaries survivability, main accuracy, +25% AA (still trying), acceleration, and concealment.

[@TurKlack]

Oh that last Mogami player. You know this kind of person: NAH I NEVER LISTEN TO PLAYER WHO KNOW SHIT AND I TOTALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME.

[@stevenessex5308]

yamato op as hell lol

[@enzodebil989]

was that intentional?

[@Lemmiatem78]

And this is why I have never and will never use secondary builds haha

[@TheGerudan]

The fuck are those cruisers thinking? :D Why would you EVER turn like that?

[@muchasgracias5577]

looks also that u lost some secondaries in the beginning

[@JericoLeslie]

*Facepalm* dat Mogami

[@G777GUN]

turns way too slow compared to the real yamato. They should give the ships realistic turning.

[@commanderdeadhead812]

G777GUN She would be disgustingly op imagine a heavily armored almost impenetrable monster with maneuverability of a cruiser yeah no I would prefer the Montana getting buffed since she needs to be the ship meant to kill Yamato ingame

[@demoskunk]

I agree. Wargaming places too much importance on balance. I'd rather be able to play these ships with real world capabilities and see how they'd really do against each other.

[@commanderdeadhead812]

demoskunk depending on the conditions of the sea and weather they are pretty even not to mention the experience of their captains since Monty was never built

[@demoskunk]

Yeah I think their respective strengths and weaknesses would make them pretty evenly matched. Yammy had a tight turning radius and Monty would've had American radar.

[@sanjaykrishna2953]

Commander Deadhead it would make her completely broke

[@tommihommi1]

WG should reduce the main gun's efficiency/precision and make the secondaries manually targetable

[@xflamousz]

oh god pls no :p if they make bb guns even less accurate ill sell my montana and yamato.

[@tommihommi1]

xflamousz you get to be 75% of a cruiser and 3 Destroyers at the same time though

[@xflamousz]

Might as well play zao or dm or moskva then.

[@tommihommi1]

xflamousz WG tested manual secondaries in alpha, and it turned out incredibly OP

[@xflamousz]

+tommihommi1 i know. but i prefer the way they play right now over a tankier ca.

[@midend]

AVENGE THE TITANIC

[@halfgrape8696]

That Mogami just had to ruin it....

[@Sir_Godz]

those secondaries seemed underwhelming.

[@not2tired]

Yeah... 12k is fairly easy to get with Arkansas so I assumed Yamato would deal out a lot more.

[@not2tired]

I guess part of that is due to lots more players going YOLO at short ranges in low tiers.

[@ghunt81]

Sadly they are. I have all possible secondary upgrades, and you would expect 6x 155mm guns and however many 127mm's there are (I think 8 twins per side so 16x 127mm?) to really lay out some damage...but even at close distances (>6 km) the only thing they can do a decent amount of damage to is a destroyer. Most other damage they cause is just fire damage. It's a little depressing. I went up against a NC at close range a couple days ago and with all secondaries blazing they were barely chipping away at his health (and I do mean chipping).

[@arisini]

i dont think that mogami realized that the shimi was dead...and that he killed it!!!! so hes turning to evade incoming torps....or kill a none existing DD, sigh, what can i say.

[@cal3662]

@Notser dude don't be so hard on yourself, no player is safe from encountering bad game play from other players

[@yutakeda9979]

21k damage is the health of an entire tier 10 DD Notser. These are AI guns, you know how frustrating they are when someone get killed by them? I'd say they did more than they should. Personally I think Battleship gameplay is as easy as it is.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Exactly. Considering that most of that damage was done against destroyers, I would say it was pretty nifty. That said, secondary builds aren't for the damage, it is stacking up against unfortunate situations. Have a DD get too close, the main guns usually won't kill him in one go, but improved secondaries might just be enough. And if you get into a brawl with another battleships... well then they really do shine. Both of those situations are, not that common, but neither are they rare. It's a bit like taking Defensive Fire on a cruiser. Quite often it is useless, but when it is useful, it is very useful.

[@Aegis23]

21k damage might mean just a salvo from the main guns. Reload and dispersion would win when it comes to damage 95% of the time imo.

[@sgthop]

Pretty much this. I've had three secondary kills in a game before in my Amagi, one against a YOLOing Farragut that came from the direction my guns weren't pointing. 100-0 before he could get his torps off. Then two against battleships I was brawling with. Obviously they didn't do 100% of the damage, but at the end of the game, they did an extra 40k, plus fires lit, that would have otherwise not been done. The secondaries aren't really meant to make 10km shots, but when they start helping, they can really help.

[@DisSabot]

Whoa whoa whoa 84 AA rating? That kind of AA on a japanese BB would mean that the US BBs are now completely useless

[@WalkingCrap]

How so? The AA on the Yamato is only good when enemy planes get close, which usually means too late, her long range guns have terrible dps. The Iowa and Montana can easily reach 100 AA rating and most of the damage is concentrated in the medium/long range guns.

[@xflamousz]

the montana has way. beyond 100. yamatos aa is ok but dann nothing special. its its weakness.

[@edwardtabuno8654]

OMG what was the Mogami thinking................ he needs to watch more videos and try to grow some balls lol

[@aa951742]

teammate exists Kappa