World War 3 simulation Operation Unthinkable

[@vauiarex4877]

I can't imagine how fucked that timeline would be, launching a world war when all of Europe is already a war-torn wasteland.

[@Gre-unit]

It would probably be better than what we have now. There would have been no cold war and quite possibly a much more western influenced Russia.

[@raiogelato6921]

@@Gre-unit there would not be anyone in europe by the end of the war, the marshall plan would fail miserably just because europe would be inexistent, europe would probably become the 3rd world in this timeline.

[@justacat2]

@@Gre-unit it would have been atleast 2X worse and we wouldnt have a spacerace

[@justacat2]

@@Gre-unit the casualties wouldbe extremly high even higher than WW2 and the world would be a nuclear wasteland

[@eliasziad7864]

@@raiogelato6921 Exactly and America would have suffered millions of deaths.

[@charles_0017]

The plan actually wanted to use the remnants of the Wehrmacht to bolster his forces. But at this point 90% of the Wehrmacht's experienced troops had been killed, captured, or put out of action, so I doubt the Allies would benefit much.

[@Koshermeatballs]

Don't forget that Slavic nations and some allied countries probably wouldn't fight along remnants of people who murdered their families and Soviet Union would win in eyes of the world because while Soviet Union wanted to wipe out N@zi murderers allies allied with them so they actually became allies of people who had blood of countless people on their hands. Don't forget that after nuking major Soviet cities like Kiev and Minsk it would result in countless deaths of civilians so US and the west would definetely be seen as the new Nazis or someone comparable to them because of them killing innocent Civilians. So yeah I think that right after the start of operation Unthinkable Soviet Union would win definetely. 🚩>>>🇺🇲

[@danielvelasco4003]

What makes no sense about this plan is that if the western Allies really wanted to take down the Soviet Union, they could’ve called Hitler in 1938 and said “hey let’s invade the Soviets and defeat communism once and for all!” before Stalin had a chance to really mobilize his forces and raise the USSR to its military strength.

[@masterofalltrades_]

The US and UK didn't do this for a reason. The Soviets were already massively present in Europe, and many countries in Europe were on the brink of communist revolution. The Soviets also had the nuclear blueprints.

[@Alt-HistoryWithD-d4k]

@@masterofalltrades_ The US had more nukes than the USSR and could drop them before the USSr could react.

[@cassu6]

@@Alt-HistoryWithD-d4k Yeah US had exactly 2 nukes. And it would take a while to produce more.

[@clementinelee9606]

world war 2: *ends* soviet union: *existing* The USA: Alright, One more time

[@godfreydubissette7527]

Lol true

[@Fielza]

Oh and let's make countries that were invaded existant

[@orcho141]

If only

[@CallsignRedKale]

Europe : Oh WHEN ?!?!? WHEN WILL IT END ?!?!?!?!?!????!!!

[@MegrelMamba]

By existing you mean killing millions, including my people?

[@shonewarrior2178]

I'm pretty sure the ukrainians and belarussians wouldn't support the allies after getting nuked by them lol, it makes no sense. I know you said your scenario wasn't meant to be realistic but god, there's a step.

[@aeoe665]

To be fair they’d rather join the winning side rather than the losing one even if it means they’re capital gets nuked

[@wilhelmjtard]

Look at reality, Japan is an ally of the US, they got nuked twice by them.

[@aeoe665]

@user-yh3sz5zd2l Either or they’d still rather be in becoming Independent even if it means getting they’re capital nuked.

[@Kartoneq]

Ukraine probably would join. Belarus no

[@user-fb9ql8bm2e]

Also back then after just being liberated from Germany patriotism for USSR was very high. It is overestimated the amount of anti-communists in USSR, most of us supported it

[@tospsy]

Benelux: *about to get invaded* Luxembourg: at least im safe because im staying neutral! The Western allies: *occupies Luxembourg just before the soviets reach Benelux* Luxembourg: *you little...*

[@masterofalltrades_]

well Luxembourg is little

[@LambdaCreates]

Imagine fighting WW2 and then immediately having to fight YET another war

[@AGTRK_Edit]

And again in the world.

[@MYC59]

Ww3 in 1945=ww2 continued

[@AyutaTYujin]

I agree

[@Murmanskkk]

It's just that a new faction is at war with the allies, it's the comintern

[@juliangutierrez8250]

@@Murmanskkk*cominform

[@tinman3586]

Arguably, WWI, WWII, and the Cold War (WWIII) were all the same conflict.

[@EasternEuropean96]

ww2 DLC

[@PrussianRomanianProductions79]

I always wondered what would have been in Asia considering the Japanese Empire still didn't surrender until September 1945 and were fighting the western allies and Republic of China. Nevertheless, amazing video, possibly the best WW3 West vs USSR videomapping video I've ever seen.

[@rfgballmapping3150]

Either White peace between them and the allies or got defeated the same way as in our timeline

[@Dock284]

well USA used he nukes on the Soviets instead of on Japan so i see Japan lasting a little longer on its own but not wanting to become communist would start fighting the Soviets alongside Americans

[@Dock284]

@Solar Carott 8s wife Japan didnt want to become Communist which is why they surrendered to the Allies before the Soviets could land troops in their mainland. The nukes only speed up that process

[@zuzuke..]

Japan still had a capable army with millions still alive ready for combat and with a firm anti-communist sentiment, Japan would white peace and be forced to leave their occupied territories before the war in asia and they would probably be forced to declare war on the soviets

[@ChloeKruegerSenpai]

@Solar Carott 8s wife It would be actually even you didn't say it, the Northern Japan in present day has Communist, but kept in hide, since Japan has become strong in economies, same for S.Korea, they didn't stick on N.Korea communist

[@Badcraft716]

Those who thinks that the UK should have launched the operation after ww2, does not know the true size of the soviet army after the war. Edit:It has been a whole month and people is still fighting in my reply

[@crock3251]

Exactly, simply the fact that the allies made progress in this scenario is stupid, also, I doubt that nukes would be used, as they didn't have ICBM's yet and the planes could be easily taken down by the much larger Soviet Airforce.

[@МарксВеликий-я4т]

Red Army have 8 million soldiers, allies only 5 million

[@alexanderchampi7230]

@@crock3251the allies air force was very much bigger than the soviet air force

[@crock3251]

@@alexanderchampi7230 The majority of the allied air force was placed in the pacific.

[@alexanderchampi7230]

@@crock3251 your ignorance is very big

[@nule888]

2 the ending is definitely impossible, 1) Stalin was informed about this operation and he accumulated almost 15 million soldiers at the borders of the eastern bloc

[@crock3251]

15m counting reserves and other fronts, not all on the eastern bloc, however, I agree with your initial statements.

[@arcaipekyun4232]

2 is more probable than 1. Western Allies would have had total dominance in the air, which in on itself is quite a defining factor. Advancing Soviet armies would've been bombed to ash, their supply lines reduced to rubble. Their troops were also much, much better equipped, and the equipment itself was also superior (to their Soviet counterparts) Western tanks, planes, basically everything they had was better. Soviets also had many Western made equipment in their arsenal at the time, though those would run out of spare parts and maintenance would've haunted them. With Lend&Lease gone, Soviets would have had a much harder time keeping their armies effective. Stalin did NOT accumulate 15 million soldiers on the borders of the Eastern Bloc, he did not have that many. Some of their troops were also stationed on the Pacific Front at the time, due to the Japanese. Although the same also goes for the Western Allies, their logistics capabilities was way superior to the Soviets so they could much more easily bring those soldiers back to Europe.

[@Mudrec2287]

​​@@arcaipekyun4232 Техника "превосходит" СССР у СССР было 64 000 танков тотже самы т34-85или ис намного превосходили Союзников у СССР было достаточно Авиации чтобы быть на равне с США и пво и артилерии было у СССР больше и при войне у СССР было около 2-7 милионов ветреанов войны но так восновном действуйщея армия было 6 000 000 солдат

[@estradadavilafernandojavie8684]

​@@Mudrec2287 The USSR manufactured about 156,000 aircraft while the USA manufactured about 324,000, the USSR had lost about 27M people and its military capacity is not as unlimited as we have been led to believe.

[@DavidNaval]

@@Mudrec2287t34s we’re inferior. In Korea t34-85ms went against Sherman’s and were completely outmatched and obliterated

[@LifetimeTechnec]

Everyone gangsta until victorious USSR decides to itself into "Eurasia".

[@average_commenter1]

The true backstory of 1984

[@Vince_ExE]

Yes,it is

[@schweizwastaken]

I wanna point out some mistakes: Finland wouldn’t join since, it’s very unlikely they would, and I think the communists in France would as a result ride up, as well as in Greece etc. that’s all, and good video

[@sebastianjoseph9628]

There were also very active and militant communist movements in Italy as well

[@Leantenant]

At this period, communism was too popular and many many people around the world support it. So it's too hard calculate war if this plan was started.

[@outerspace7391]

few corrections i'd make; - Operation unthinkable was to be executed when the second world war was still undone, so all the allied powers that took part in it wouldve still participated (saying this because I saw countries like Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece and Denmark being neutral) - the two Germanies shouldve been shown as occupation zones, the German governments hadnt been installed yet, same goes for Iraq and Iran, which were still under british and (for the case of Iran only) soviet military occupations. Not sure about that but even Italy could have been shown as an occupied territory, but I guess they had a government that was fighting for the allies so ill give it a pass (even tho italy started off as neutral fsr) - greece was already undergoing its civil war, basically it could have been part of this wider west versus east war scenario - spain in no way wouldve joined the western allies, most realistically they wouldve stayed neutral, same for portugal (though unlike spain, i can understand a portugal entry) - countries like bulgaria and hungary were still under soviet occupation at the time, their governments had surrendered - really not sure how the ussr won - or even survived for that matter- after having three nuclear bombs dropped at its largest cities, perhaps that should have been avoided in this althist

[@SankaiPlayZ]

Ussr : 12 millions of soldiers, twice as many planes, artillery and tanks

[@ellisonsmith2526]

@@SankaiPlayZ allies had around 300 ~ 400 thousand planes and Soviets had around 130 thousand

[@aitsuki22]

@@ellisonsmith2526 planes can't win a war alone when your enemy has twice as many tanks, artillery and soldiers as you

[@mstticr]

@@aitsuki22 what are you talking about? The Allies had *more* tanks, *more* planes, *more* artillery - the only thing they were outnumbered was in troops. But honestly that would amount to very little considering Soviet troops were unorganized, undersupplied, untrained and with non-existent morale and would have to spent fighting Polish - Baltic - Ukrainian - etc revolutionaries. And even if the Soviets outnumbered the Allies in everything you say, the Allies (or America rather) was still far from being fully mobilized and could’ve easily mobilized another 11+ million America troops. Operation Unthinkable would’ve absolutely been won by the Allies

[@aitsuki22]

@@mstticr they didn't have more artillery nor more tanks than the USSR. Please stick to good sources instead of American propaganda.

[@categories5066]

Definitely a Soviet victory if nukes were not used. Largest land army, a huge air force, battle hardened soldiers. American and British troops would be confused why they are fighting against their former ally so there could be revolts and strife in the allied armies, meanwhile the Soviets see it as an act of betrayal and would be more motivated.

[@mrspirus5735]

Logistics win the wars and the allies win that part by a long shot. All of the allied countries population were larger than the soviets which meant in dire situations they could draft even more troops that the soviets had. But it is difficult to say for sure who would win. But nukes wouldn't be taken out of the scenario. Allies would nuke the soviet armies and logistics routes giving the allies a near guarenteed win.

[@EternalModerate]

Nah, the numerical advantage of the soviets wasn't that great.

[@waveiscursed]

True. The Soviets would see the invasion as a betrayal and fight to the death for their country, like what happened in WW2. The western allied soldiers would know it was a offensive war and be unmotivated to fight. Throughout the whole WW2 allied soldiers were constantly met with pro-soviet propaganda. They would definetly not be motivated to fight and the Russians would be. Also the Sovietd were more powerful.

[@nule888]

@@mrspirus5735 только доставить это ядерное оружие было проблематично + их было мало, для понтов они изготовили 2 бомбы, а следующие 4-5 бомбы еще через 2 года будут изготовлены, и самолеты перехватить можно будет

[@gbjooi7486]

More doesn't equal victory, the USSR had at minimum over 50% of its aviation fuel come from the allies. Hard to fight when your air force is dead, your army is getting bombed to shit, and your getting outproduced.

[@Scenariania]

you've been gone for a long time, and return with a spectacular well-defined alt history scenario. I liked to see there were two scenarios _to keep everyone happy_ and the frontlines/events were pretty realistic in my opinion. Great to have you back, and this was a great upheaval!

[@TheCartelsWorstEnemy]

what i found that wasnt realistic is, east germany was the leader of warsaw pact but were taken first. noone wants the troops in the warsaw pact either so socialism would fall in warsaw pact and they join western allies

[@mauruhkatigaming4807]

One major aspect of this that can't be overlooked is organized labor among the Western Allies. Continuing the war against a country they had been told were allies for years, especially when the continent had already been ravaged since 1939, would have been a hard sell to the voters at home. And considering the Communist presence in Western labor movements at the time, these governments likely would have been met with outright hostility at home. Materiel problems would be likely for the Western Allies, and the Soviet Bloc would be able to wreak havoc with spies and infiltrators. Massive strikes and protests would be a certainty. Acts of sabotage and terrorism would be likely. We can't even necessarily rule out a country like France flipping to a revolt. As a result of this, many of the Allies would probably end up taking draconian measures on the home front, severely suppressing freedom of speech and association. The result of Unthinkable would have been ruin, chaos, and mass death. We should count our entire SPECIES lucky it didn't happen.

[@obama20127]

The eastern Victory has a bigger chance of happening becouse by 1945 the soviet union had over 11 million troops on its borders and it had its industry in full swing

[@SenyorCapitàCollons]

​@samuelsstuffytAnd you find it funny?

[@MatheusVinicius_]

​@samuelsstuffyt that is complete nonsense. In 1941 the soviets already managed to defend Moscow and prevent it from being in the frontlines for the rest of the war. Lend-lease in 1941 was irrelevant and most of the equipment sent could easily be produced in the USSR, even though their push against Germany would be slower. Lend-lease made the war last shorter, but was not vital for soviet survival.

[@kyleb7974]

Their front line troops were decimated. Zhukov had said to Stalin that they had run out of reserves by the time and had to take Berlin with what they had. This even seems to be in the case in non bias sources. The WW2 mapping video with army sizes video on KZbin showcases the push to Berlin shrunk the Soviet army down from 6.7 Million men, to 5.7 Million. Part of the reason was because of logistical problems, overstretched supply lines, etc. Now imagine stretching that line from Berlin to the Rhine, with no reserves. That would’ve shrunk the Red Army down more than a million in two months time considering they aren’t fighting someone fighting three different fronts, no air force, etc. They would’ve advanced with human waves, stopped at the very best at the borders of France. Then got counter attacked and collapse.

[@kyleb7974]

⁠​⁠@@MatheusVinicius_ They only defended Moscow because of the major disadvantages the Germans had in supply lines, fast advance, and lack of winter equipment. 1/3 of the tanks defending Moscow were British. I agree about Lend Lease. In 1941 and 42, it was not that important. In 43 however it became important because that’s what allowed the USSR to even push against Germany. 90% of their railway systems were Lend Lease, along with 33% of motor vehicles. Without those logistics, huge advances like after the Battle of Kursk, and Operation Bargartion would’ve never happened.

[@Manu10900]

​@samuelsstuffytComparing 1941 to 1945 is utterly nonsense. In 1945 the Soviets produced more tanks and guns than the whole allies combined

[@Arseniy_Silanov]

Why does the author consider wartime measures by the USSR (which did absolutely all the warring countries) as war crimes, but not the atomic bombing of cities?

[@nievescaballero2792]

Beca use comiese are monsters

[@Arseniy_Silanov]

@@nievescaballero2792 based

[@fecalstorm]

Cuz its allied anti-soviet biased video

[@lcelandicPenguins]

Nukes were not that advanced in 1945, they were pretty much just invented, and probably took like just 30% of Kiev and Minsk

[@Name-xs2is]

@@fecalstorm антисоветское = предвзятое😄 ясно

[@tonywagner1626]

The Allies: *well that was a miscalculation*

[@jeaniusedits6094]

When we needed the legend most, he returned.

[@PlaysRoblox36]

Luxembourg was the largest contributor in this war fr

[@jackopolo4635]

I think an important thing to note is that if Operation Unthinkable was done, it would be wildly unpopular domestically in UK, a world war had just ended, and the last thing the British people would have wanted is to start another.

[@frenchballmapper]

Amazing video and so good quality for a 5000 subscriber mapper, good job !

[@AyutaTYujin]

Yes!

[@tinman3586]

Finland: "God, not this shit again."

[@cythonian2]

"Soldier, I know we fought for six years and lost countless lives including your best friend but were about to invade the Russians"

[@RussianBlackLeague]

Sometimes bad things gotta happen for good things to happen

[@belkYT]

@@RussianBlackLeagueyour utopia is my dystopia

[@MegrelMamba]

​@@belkYTYour utopia killed 100 million

[@FodaseNaoLigo]

​@@RussianBlackLeaguestupid

[@sheepmasterrace]

wasnt the soviet army like 3 times the size of the allied army at the time? i dont think that would go very well for mr churchill

[@RussianBlackLeague]

Logistically the Soviets wouldn't win but really depends on what happens they would might take the Benelux region and some of France but they dnt have the resources to win that war also they dnt have nukes

[@restless07]

​@@RussianBlackLeaguebro us have only 2 nukes, and Japan still not surrender, that was beaten from Asia by Soviets in August

[@Josef_Stalin1878-]

@@RussianBlackLeague "Logistically the Soviets wouldn't win" Never eard of Aleksandr Vasilevsky invasion of machuria ?

[@culterwaleddy]

Ever heard of US lend lease? The vast majority of Russian boots and trucks were American made.@@Josef_Stalin1878-

[@arcaipekyun4232]

​@@Josef_Stalin1878- irrelevant, that's against a beaten and dead Japanese force, with also much smaller numbers. Any attack against the Allies would not only have required the combined force of everything the Soviets could muster (requiring more supply) but the superior Allied air forces (the single strongest force at the time, no contest) would've reduced all their supply lines to rubble. Meanwhile the US was fighting on 2 fronts each on an entirely different continent from both each other and the mainland US, separated by 2 different oceans. Yet they managed it no problem, they even managed to supply the Soviet, British and Chinese armies on top of their own.

[@Gadya_petrovich]

Автор мог бы учесть , что во Франции и Италии после ВМВ победили коммунисты , лишь план маршалла исключил их из правительства. А если бы союзники напали на Союз , половина избирателей молча бы на это смотрели ? Это как минимум всеобщие забастовки а как максимум гражданские войны

[@wifigod6177]

Да все в ахере были бы,если узнали что союзники ядеркой бомбили города с мирными жителями

[@redwarrior5215]

​@@wifigod6177 они так сделали с Японией, причем дважды. Применение оружие массового поражения вблизи гражданских объектов это военное преступление, но разве хоть кто-то за это был привлечен к ответственности, разве кто-то за это ХОТЯ БЫ ИЗВИНИЛСЯ или сказал, что это была ошибка? Они будут тысячу раз повторять мантру Геббельса про миллион изнасилованных немок (откровенный пиздеж), но никогда не скажут про агент Оранж, бомбардировки Ханоя, операции кондор и гладио. Просто пора понять это. Никто не святой, и мы тоже совершали ошибки, но это были именно ошибки, а не системные явления.

[@2602Kenny]

Да эти самолеты с ядеркой не долетели бы, слишком далеко, либо в один конец

[@shonewarrior2178]

The name of the city was Kiev btw, Kyiv is the modern Ukrainian name

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

no.

[@Loterrach]

Yeah, they changed it for some reason.

[@aronbaron1746]

@@bizmasterTheSlav Deny it, but it is the truth.

[@Nechay.]

Kiev is russian pronouncetio. Kyiv is ukrainian thats all that's simple.

[@SenyorCapitàCollons]

Kyiv was already official during the USSR. Ukranian was the main official language in Ukraine.

[@tommykzy7332]

Allies has air and naval power but Soviet has land power

[@eliasziad7864]

Nah air would be contested.

[@ussindianapolis487]

no, allies had better infantry and tanks. the only field where soviets were better was artillery.

[@Rebas198]

@@ussindianapolis487 buddy the whole 12m strong Soviet army was MUCH more experienced than the much smaller allied army.Each Soviet solider had experienced grueling battles that the allies couldn't compare to at all.The Soviets undoubtedly had better tanks and much more numerous and the Allies only had better infantry equipment

[@ussindianapolis487]

@@Rebas198 they experienced very hard battles, thats a fact, but it doesnt mean they would be more effective than allies. russian infantry tactics were pretty much "run straight at the enemy, try not to die". soviet is-2 was superior to any allied tank but t-34 kinda sucked. it had strong armor, decent gun, very good mobility but it had zero situational awerness and ergonomy didnt exist. so it would be much less effective than american shermans and british churchills and comets. russian tankers had almost zero experience because soviet tanks survivability was very low.

[@Rebas198]

@@ussindianapolis487 Russian tactics had changed by that point.It was like that on the outside but on the inside the Soviets conducted very carefully aggressive attacks in the late stages of the war.They had learnt well from their mistakes.Also the Western Allies simply couldn't match the Soviet War Industry.It was more efficient and effective than the British one as it endured much more.Sure the Americans and British combined would have definitely toppled the Soviet industry but America was a ocean away.There was simply put it,no way the allies could have ever won against the Soviets in 1946 when there was nothing for the allies to fall back to and wear the Soviets out

[@Amun-Re]

Eastern Victory iirc is how 1984 happned: USSR conquers Europe, British Empire and USA fuse and are taken over by INGSOC. Middle East and North Africa decolonised and become 'the Free World'.

[@chustar2620]

Sorry that im replying to this like 1 year after, but in the 1984 book, via map by George orwell, some regions in Africa are still occupied by European regimes.

[@Vince_ExE]

The Middle east is actually freed

[@Parallax-ec4ik]

@@chustar2620 He did say "North Africa" though.

[@wilhelmjtard]

I like how you included an Eastern and Western Victory.

[@masterofalltrades_]

The US and UK didn't do this for a reason. The Soviets were already massively present in Europe, and many countries in Europe were on the brink of communist revolution. The Soviets also had the nuclear blueprints.

[@realaurorien]

In the western victory scenario there are a few errors, Ukraine wouldnt have Crimea, it only gained it in the 50s. The polish border would probably be reverted back to the one we had in 1939, because East Prussia only became Polish due to Soviet forced migrations of Germans Ukraine would probably not have Transcarpathia either, or western odessa, which was Romanian back then.

[@nicoislazy]

Video was amazing and I really enjoyed it keep up the good work dude

[@empireoffrandymapping1397]

The legend has returned!

[@AyutaTYujin]

Yes!

[@alextran1260]

WW3 casually happening while the Black League's anthem from TNO casually playing in the background at the start lol. This truly is the Great Trial but less devastating for the world.

[@popking1]

Imagine just finishing a world war then one year later ww3 starts☠️💀

[@MeathMapper]

Absolutely Incredible Work!

[@rfgballmapping3150]

Suggestions for next videos: what if Central Powers won WW1(not kaiserreich just your version of it) and more about the fronts of what if axis won ww2

[@trollington777]

YES YOU'RE FINALLY BACK good video btw

[@nusantaramapper7580]

Im not sure if allied planes can go as far to moscow, the more realistic one is leningrad

[@jackfifa0718]

do a scenario of ww1/2 or 21st century if napoleon won the Napoleonic wars

[@LucaShutz]

IMO this would lead to popular uprisings in the western countries, probably increasing the support for the Soviet Union and communism. A huge backstab like this and the whole idea of "agitate, spread and revolt" (communism) would go crazy, people would start questioning the authority of the State they live in.

[@BosskAviation751]

Literally 1984

[@AyushRaj-cb6ny]

I don't think that Finland would ever get St. Petersburg even in such scenario

[@MegrelMamba]

It was Uralic land until Russians conquered it.

[@FodaseNaoLigo]

​@@MegrelMambafalse

[@MegrelMamba]

@@FodaseNaoLigo Grug mogs you.

[@Woah9394]

True I guess

[@Woah9394]

​@@MegrelMambasane for Instanbul But Greece still can't get it

[@sansundertale5274]

Swiss: Why's everybody fighting?

[@ahfa2010]

I don’t think it would be considered WW3, just WW2 season 3

[@HueBrazilianMapper]

A LENDA ESTÁ DE VOLTA FML

[@ruka3219]

In english pls

[@WaterBallOSC]

@@ruka3219 he doesn't understand english man

[@089roblox1]

What's the name of the song that plays from 0:48 to 3:24?

[@Moskovskiy_YouTuber]

the Sacred war epic remix

[@089roblox1]

@@Moskovskiy_KZbinr ty

[@baconhairbacana1964]

*Japan: What's happening? Did i miss something?*

[@Huffmaniac]

Of course the ad I get after the Soviet victory is an ad for Adventure Communist..

[@randomuser3481]

Pretty sure the entire reason Operation Unthinkable was not done is because the Americans knew the Soviets would win

[@HTV315]

Soviets would lose 8 million a day and keep pushing INSANITY

[@WeatherCat_TheCat]

Bro by 1946 we would’ve been halfway through Poland

[@HeichE944]

The soviets would have been driven out of Europe by the end of 1947.

[@VodkaPandas]

Soviet and Japan would teamup against ally if the UK launch that stupid plan, the UK was always the snakes.

[@dolfus6062]

allied economies was horrible, they was not even able to upkeep occupations in germany for long time, like this scenerio is horribly right, as after the war they immadietly demobilized for avoiding total collapse of their economies. Soviets would immadietly flatten germany as occupying forces was nothing, france cant resist much as their infastructure/industry was non-existant, maybe italy can resist cause of alpines but allies would have gone for peace by now after fall of france.

[@diviar0628]

4:08 Then NATO unified into 1 Nation, and after a civil war with INGSOC it became Oceania, while the Warsaw pact became Eurasia The beginning of 1984

[@syedlam9632]

Video Idea: what if steiner attack happened?

[@dartboy8887]

I still think the soviet victory would be more realistic cause of the number advantage and the soviets drive to wage a war to survive

[@DavidNaval]

The allies could have drafted more men especially because the soviet manpower pool was mostly depleted and were already employed within the military. The allies also had the air naval and technological advantage as well as logistics and economics (the ussr was also very reliant on American supplies which would dry up once the us stopped supplying the Soviets

[@albanianguy5586]

You’re back finally!

[@FederationMapping]

Amazing video as always!

[@gorszoscjokera]

Operation Unthinkable was created, not to destroy all USRR and capture Moscow, but to liberate Poland and the Czechs. Full West victory and the ultimate collapse of USSR (Hitler try to do this, and we all know how it ended) was impasible. I know that this is only funny YT video, and Im too seriulsy, but this is too imposible scenario. But video has very high quality and i like this. Have nice day

[@khankrum7489]

The first scenario is literally 1984 at the beginning with only difference that in 1945 the Soviets did not posses the capability to strike back against western Allies nukes.

[@КонстантинКругляков-г1у]

Right ! Soviet army in 1980's was an absolute terror we should have invaded Western Europe in 1982 ))

[@FodaseNaoLigo]

Yes they can, nukes isn't that scary

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

Literally the war in Japan isn’t even over, they don’t bother focusing on rebuilding cities or replenishing stockpiles before just launching another brawl between super powers. The war would have moved very slowly as both sides were so low on supplies in 1945

[@andrewmckenzie292]

US was probably not lacking in supplies/production capacity...maintaining morale would have been the big issue. Soviet Army was the most battle hardened of them all...whatever capacity US had in the air, you still ultimately need to cover the ground to actually take cities etc. western fatalities would have risen massively the deeper into Soviet occupied territory they got.

[@Murmanskkk]

The british people were already exhausted since about 25m were in the war effort.​@@andrewmckenzie292

[@peru657]

USSR would easily win and conquer whole Europe. USA and all western allies would be badly humiliated. USSR soliders would have even more higher morale whereas Western soliders morale would have been inferior due to backstabbing by them

[@eliasziad7864]

Exactly. Americans saw Soviets as good friends who fought against nazism. So did Red Army soldiers, but if Red Army soldiers see that their allies betray them, then they will be angry and get revenge. While American soldiers don't want to fight and betray their friends.

[@christopherhook2141]

HA! We were, and ARE NOT friends with the communists. Get real.

[@SLAVRBLX123]

I think the ussr would be able to conquer from germany to spain, but theyd leave ireland, switzerland alone, britain wouldnt be conquered since they had a stronger navy

[@Blox117]

thats a nice fiction you have

[@belkYT]

The agreement of splitting up europe wasnt even made by then. It was simply May 8th 1945 borders with the remaining german territory being divided into 2. The red army was, in my opinion, the strongest in 1945. At least land-wise. The USA, though, had a stronger air force and navy. Though a navy wouldn’t really matter as the USSR’s coastline is 99% frozen. They wiped out japan, conquering all of manchuria within two weeks and pushed down Korea, taking down almost a million japanese. Had this happened, im pretty sure the soviets would have some sort of victory as a stalemate even if they didnt get anything since they were the one defending. I mean, the west was already fighting the Japanese. And, the soviet union would not attack japan had the west attacked. The west would be fighting with two powerful countries. Also, many western soldiers were friends with the soviets so i think they will not fight the soviets or have low morale, as they would protest about having a third world war. They were already sick and tired of WW2. They would have been so relieved that the germans surrendered and the japanese were going to be defeated soon, but, when they hear that THEIR LEADERS ATTACKED the soviet union, they would be filled with rage, considering THEY were the aggressors. Many people in the UK and America, who had a good image of the USSR after the USA and USSR were great allies, would also be outraged and protest. Ultimately, i see this war ending in a stalemate with the soviet union securing eastern europe, and the west still being in france, after suing for peace. But, im pretty sure the soviet union will never help the west by attacking japan in this timeline, so they would maybe have to actually land in japanese mainland.

[@Emily-5124]

Ultimately, i see this comment as tankie wet dream

[@belkYT]

@@Emily-5124 you will never be with the girl in your pfp

[@Emily-5124]

@@belkYT that's me, it's up to you to believe or not

[@ElselchoGaming]

@@Emily-5124 Would

[@crock3251]

@@Emily-5124 No? This is perfectly realistic, you are simply retarded.

[@5uez737]

The Western Victory was the most definite real scenario. The Soviets were exhausted. Their manpower depleted. The Allies would most definitely control the skies. No matter how many troops you have, planes would destroy all of them including the strongest of tanks. Their is also discontent in Europe with the entire east not wanting to be part of the "Soviet Empire" They didn't have nukes, their technology was almost completely inferior to the mechanized Allies. The Soviets could only push so far but the planes would completely dominate once they get up and running. Their is also the massive US industrial output that could indefinitely feed the war effort. The Soviets will get their equipment destroyed while being transported. The Allied bombers will completely eliminate the soviet means of producing things. If you are wondering about the reach of the Allied planes, they can take of from Finland, Norway, Germany, and Austria. Also Ur Back!

[@ak-77]

lmao that is completely wrong, by your logic germany should have easily won ww2, soviet troops DRASTICALLY outnumbered the westerners, no matter the technology, they wouldnt be able to handle it, plus soviets had much more tanks and vehicles by that point plus the westerners were also destroyed and overly exhausted

[@francocanales1052]

No, in 1945 the allies had 2 ventages industry (Only the US) and Airforce but the soviets did have Manpower reserves and a more moralized and trained army than the allies, which Will result in not a total soviet victory but in a soviet control of most western european countrys

[@5uez737]

@@francocanales1052 You forget 20 million soviets died, supply lines were thinning the airforce of the allies wouldve stopped any soviet advance compared to the soviets old bi-planes and the soviets were exhausted from pushing from moscow to berlin

[@francocanales1052]

@@5uez737 Even with the loses the soviets still got a Lot of reserves (not all of the ww2 casualties were from army Manpower or recruitable people)

[@francocanales1052]

@@5uez737 And the allies were tired too from d Landing and then liberating the west

[@deinemudda1049]

All those SS/Wehrmacht units when they arrive in Stalin/Leningrad the second time: so this is what the power of friendship gets us

[@slugyx]

3th Alternative scenario would have been, that the war would have ended in a stalemate, for example, the frontline would have been, that the part once beeing part of the German Empire(2th Reich), to the eastern front of today Czech Republic, Hungary and Croatia. Both Sides would have made a peace treaty (name example: Treaty of Zagreb) and we would have just like in our timeline a cold war between the USA and the Soviet Union(USSR). The frontline in the Caucasus region didn't really change so it will remain just like before the war. Maybe NATO and the Warsaw Pact would exist in this scenario in a bit of a different form. Also there could have been war, with the Republic of China, Japan and the occupied South Korean territory and they would have also made a fight against Communist China and against the Soviet union, which would also have had ended in a stalemate, by Manchuria and Communist China beeing captured and defeated and the frontline just a few kilometers before Vladivostok.

[@ryangosling239]

Japan's army was shit in 1945

[@oZqdiac]

3rd* 2nd*

[@AyutaTYujin]

You are the My 2nd favorite KZbinr! 1st is Zvallid.

[@revolzyy]

Russia got nuked 3 times and still managed to win, respecc

[@Detetive00000]

Imaginação

[@FodaseNaoLigo]

Chorar​@@Detetive00000

[@Simpleguyinyoutube]

*Dmitry Yazov has joined the call*

[@Moskovskiy_YouTuber]

I think the first scenario is more realistic (no, it's not because I'm Russian, it's just that the Soviets had more army, morale and experience)

[@souxle-]

lol first scenario would never happened

[@Moskovskiy_YouTuber]

@@souxle- Now - yes :)

[@Moskovskiy_YouTuber]

@@souxle- no, in that scenario Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania and East Germany side with USSR Now, with Russia only Belarus, Serbia and Syria + 5/15 republics of USSR (Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova) are NATO allies) So, pls don't belive US' news, that's propaganda, and Russian news is propaganda too. Stay neutral

[@joekaputt4415]

They were not only Americans and British, they also planned to free German POW in exchange for joining the war against the USSR.

[@joekaputt4415]

@@Moskovskiy_KZbinr Russia could not even take kyiv LMAO

[@andreasschmidt2739]

Since the Sovjetunion were already exausted and had only survived with the aid of the western allies its very unlikely that the Sovjets were able to give much resistance against a combined attack of all western allied forces... But even if they could push back any allied attack, conquering whole europe after loosing 27 million people during the war were not possible...

[@pr1xmapper919]

Nice scenario bro, but what is the name of the music at 0:48?

[@АльбертРотко]

Вставай, страна огромная Write like this in Russian.

[@Moskovskiy_YouTuber]

The sacred war (epic ver)

[@pr1xmapper919]

thanks guys

[@Nerd_Kuna]

Those Battlefield 1 ending game sound was really me feel comfortable

[@oneofthebestmobilemappers]

A lenda está de voltá Você me fez um mapeador do tutorial e agora estou feliz em vê-lo voltar!

[@DA_Doog]

Hello thought u weren’t here

[@oneofthebestmobilemappers]

@@DA_Doog hi

[@DA_Doog]

Hello

[@oneofthebestmobilemappers]

@@DA_Doog how are you?

[@DA_Doog]

Nice

[@seanbumstead1250]

I think it would end up somewhere in the middle with no clear winner

[@M4E_The_Geo_editor]

there seems to be one song that isn't in the description....

[@Nyxtify]

no matter what, france never fails to get invaded by going around their defenses

[@Dutchesthecat]

You should have showed how many losses each side had. Great video!

[@DavidNaval]

Infinite Soviet losses

[@TanzaniaCountryball]

Ayy! You're back!

[@HankBlox1337]

In soviet times Niznyi Novgorod is called Gorkyi'

[@fetusofetuso2122]

I mean. The soviets had 6,410,000 men on the western front in April 1945. Allies had about 2 million less. I don't think those are good odds for any offensive to go far.

[@Juan-qu4oj]

The Soviets could not win another massive war against an industrial power like the United States after losing 27 million people

[@notd0ingit139]

Tbh in Soviet era nizhny novgorod was a gorky in old name and it changed to nizhny novgorod once Russia federation is formed

[@Ru_Imperialist]

Скажем так. Скорее всего эта война перешла бы в затяжную позиционную ядерную войну с взаимным уничтожением каждой из сторон, учитывая, что в Европе красная армия превосходила по численности страны запада, тогда как запад не имел такого производства ядерного оружия, чтобы уничтожить экономику СССР полностью, но имел больше авиации. Миллионые жертвы с обоих сторон и вероятнее всего, что страны запада также получили бы ядерные удары и не только по своим городам. В то время обе стороны не боялись разрабатывать биологическое оружие и скорее всего в Европе была бы полная гуманитарная катастрофа в следствие его применения.

[@DetectiveLinglo]

Moscow nuked I will never appear in the world💀

[@FinnishKnight]

Someone make a christopher style video of this (ww2 with army sizes)

[@FinnishKnight]

World War 3 Every Day With Army Sizes

[@EikoNakaoka]

Soviet turned into Axis powers or Warsaw pact and Allies defeated communist but i think it was literrally if Allies helped N4z*s to invade USSR

[@WilliamBinger-cg1on]

I think a more realistic map of this would be right after ww2 where the part of Czechoslovakia and east Germany was smaller and the Allie’s had possession of Albania to

[@dragongaming6967]

I dont think Yugoslavia would join the soviets side since Tito did not like the communism that Stalin liked, he also alligned with the west and had democratic and capitalistic features in his nation

[@Juan-qu4oj]

The Yugoslav-Soviet Split handy happened yet

[@НиколайТроцкий-э5е]

Советско-Югославский Раскол случился позже.

[@octoberguns1891]

World war 2 end. America,British:ещё хотим войны. USSR:Japan! ... USSR:Japan? Poland:o kurwa!!!

[@extremaduraballanimations]

"we... We Will never surrend- Oh mate whet the fu-"

[@florugalaoruga2852]

0:48 music name? Edit: I found it, if you not the name is sacred war 😉

[@СергейСимонов-х1э]

Words by Vasily Lebedev-Kumach Music by Alexander Alexandrov Get up, huge country, Stand up for mortal combat With fascist dark power, With the damned horde! May the rage be noble Boils like a wave! There is a people's war going on, Holy war! Like two different poles We are hostile in everything. we fight for light and peace, They are for the kingdom of darkness. Let's fight back the stranglers All fiery ideas, Rapists, robbers, Tormentors of people! Black wings dare not Fly over the Motherland, Its fields are spacious The enemy does not dare to trample! Rotten fascist evil spirits Let's drive a bullet into the forehead, The scum of humanity Let's put together a strong coffin! Let's go break with all our might, With all my heart, with all my soul For our dear land, For our great Union! A huge country is rising, Stands up for mortal combat With fascist dark power, With the damned horde!

[@TheAwesomeoUniverse]

I like how Luxembourg didn't do anything til the end lol

[@bowo8079]

Soviet and japan would likely be allies when this happened and attack the us Position in the pacific

[@Moskovskiy_YouTuber]

This is one of the best mapping ever! For sure!

[@EmuCavalry]

I think Stalin was a monster, but it's kinda unfair to point out his war crimes in this conflict but not that the allies nuking Soviet cities, including non-russian Minsk and Kiev are war crimes.

[@i2972]

Nuclear Strikes Are Not War Nuclear Strikes Are Not War Crimes😂

[@EmuCavalry]

@@i2972 If they hit civilian targets then yeah they are.

[@yvan1401]

Italy on the western side in 1945 ?! No way Jose ! Italy was 50% at minimum at end of the war.

[@syedlam9632]

Western allies lost because Luxembourg didn't join them

[@EniGmav34]

Even tho the soviet has initial superiority they had no more reserves in 1945. They couldnt suffer any more casualties.

[@communistmapper4859]

Great scenario! I was wondering where were you, and i realised how much did this took you time!

[@NeoWish]

It's interesting that your showing major retreats and I love it.

[@KohilaPV]

Entire europe :- we ain't becoming communist Sardinia:-ohhhhhhhhhh😂