Chieftain Talks: The Hunt for Graf Spee. Battle of the River Plate | World of Warships

[@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel]

What do you think about today's episode?:)

[@hgknetwork7228]

Add HNoMS gyller to the game please

[@QALibrary]

get the feck rid of the background music - thumbs down because that made this great video unwatchable - too much music and too loud

[@haraldlorentzen40]

Really good episode. Can't go wrong with the Chieftain telling the stories, and a bit of his usual humor.

[@teamtdm7417]

PLS do more battle documentaries.

[@richardkowalski9580]

the back ground music is way too load, struggled at some point hearing what was said. what i did listen to was very interesting.

[@TheBimjo]

As a kid my Grandmother used to tell me stories of the Graf. She was on the beach watching it pull out of port. Many Uruguayans stood on the beach and watched.

[@ryanmarquez9404]

Nice of them to treat nazi so nicely

[@guillermonardone3431]

They where a neutral nation and adhered to international law as such.

[@dutchthespitfire3204]

@@ryanmarquez9404 Nazi's were also people mate

[@jubayer0525]

@@guillermonardone3431 okl .

[@shukvirgrewal6968]

@@ryanmarquez9404every German was not a nazi

[@dirites]

please lower the music, hard to listen with the vocals on the background

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

Shoot the audio guy.

[@drakegod84]

A lot of people give this ship a bad rating in-game, but I fell in love with it two years ago. It has a unique play and is always surprising, a true joy to play. Sadly, the armour and the fire rate of the ship are very poor. It could be a great ship if it was given a slight buff.

[@DanFraser1984]

Same - its my most played ship. Guns are reasonable despite reload time. It could go for a very minor buff or two. Nothing too crazy of course as its only tier 6 but overall it needs a little love.

[@Igiveashitofaname]

One of the most unique ships in the game, for its tier it has the firepower of a BB while it is still a Cruiser. A true pocket Battleship!

[@danielsummey4144]

Dan Fraser just typical power creep. A slight buff and it would be amazing.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

I still think it's stronger than the tier 6 Leander.

[@xCAUT10Nx]

I live in a town called Ajax Named after the ship. there are streets also named exeter and Achilles. And each street sign has a warship beside the name. Also the main road here is harwood ! And there is a monument dedicated to this battle down the street.

[@DarkestdaysAU]

Nice

[@mariacornwallis1602]

Where is this town called Ajax?

[@xCAUT10Nx]

A 20 minute drive east from toronto ontario.

[@mariacornwallis1602]

I've found you in Ontario using google earth., whereabouts is the monument

[@xCAUT10Nx]

Harwood south to lake driveway east. Its called veterans point garden i think

[@zacharywilson3176]

Langsdorff was known to be a torpedo specialist, "Torpedobeats intensify"

[@andrewp8284]

Kamchatka: *gasps*

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Do you see torpedo boats?

[@andrewp8284]

Always love listening to The Chieftain. I didn’t realize how much of a fight the ship put up in the battle. However the music was a bit too loud, so I and many others (judging by comments) would prefer that the volume be lowered at the least-if not removed.

[@victormiranda9163]

ditch the background music.

[@zonavelhalpma]

Graf Spee had Diesel engines but you dont see that on the game , and they had a very fast engine , 90% of the other engines we had boiler engines so very slow to reach the top speed , we need this diesel engine on Game war gaming .

[@SvenTviking]

They were economic but didn’t have the top speed of the steam turbine cruisers.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

After light damage she couldn't produce diesel anymore so no thanks.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

So increased acceleration?

[@courseiam]

Sort out the volume on the music!

[@davidpratthk]

The music is REALLY annoying. Is this a documentary or a musical?

[@budmeister]

It's WarGaming

[@davidpratthk]

@@budmeister As a 25 yr RN veteran, we never did war games with the Royal Marines concert orchestra warbling in the background. Jus' Sayin'. :)

[@balazsviseralek9972]

It would be great to do a follow up episode with the story of the Altmark. That is pretty interesting as well.

[@Cobaltxj5]

OR you could watch the Chieftan's OLDER video about the High School Fleet Graf Spee which is told in a slightly more comedic fasion although its about the same participants, inclooding all the british ships and what sunk them if they didnt somehow end up in other fleets . This manz is a Legend at story telling

[@willytheekid]

HMNZS Achillies returned home in 1940 to a absolutely MASSIVE!! welcome home parade in New Zealand ❤...the whole nation was so proud of this little ship and her crews big fight. ...would love to see her added in game. Kia Kaha all...lest we forget

[@jonathanevans4610]

HMS Achillies, she didn't become HMNZS Achillies until 1941 when the Royal New Zealand Navy was formed.

[@Colonel_Blimp]

Jonathan Evans a bit anorak mate. Achilles flew the New Zealand naval ensign during the battle.

[@jonathanevans4610]

@@Colonel_Blimp Indeed she was part of the Royal Navy New Zealand Division along with her Sister Leander. I thought all the Royal Navies all flew the White Ensign until the 60s but Dominion Navies Flew their National Flags as additional Battle Colours as HMS New Zealand had done in the First World War.

[@Colonel_Blimp]

Jonathan Evans my mistake. The NZ naval ensign was not adopted until 1968, much later than I imagined.

[@simonking7446]

anyone else finding the music annoyingly loud?

[@oledahl.]

Simon King no, I find the balance perfect and I am a certified audio engineer.

[@simonking7446]

@@oledahl. Lol certified by who?

[@stuart8663]

@@simonking7446 Hahahahahahhaha... great come back

[@oledahl.]

Simon King by NTNU, one of the universities in Norway. I bet you are watching and listening to it on your iPhone 4.

[@TheFreaker86]

Wait a minute! Langsdorff was ordered to scuttle the ship? I thought he decided this on his own and killed himself to prevent court martialing him and and his officers by his suicide and taking the responsibility for the scuttling

[@lordredlead2336]

@@MrKiwi1960 what you said is exactly what was said in the video my Guy

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

@@MrKiwi1960 His choices were 1) to hand over the ship, 2) scuttle it, or 3) get sunk by the British capital ships they thought were waiting outside the estuary. So if his orders told him not to do options 1 or 3, that only leaves option 2, scuttle the ship. Implied orders are still orders.

[@gilveneli247]

"all flags flying" why am i crying?!

[@shaider1982]

This is probably the first naval battle in ww2 that I knew of as a kid, having read an old (1970') reader's digest condensation of a book about the battle.

[@dougjb7848]

@shaider1982 I leaned about it when I was about 10, from building a 1/700 scale model of GS.

[@shaider1982]

@@dougjb7848 awesome!👍 I learned about Japanese ships from models too, though it was my cousin's.

[@hosseinjalili935]

@@dougjb7848 ‌ریسثثن .

[@mbryson2899]

I believe I read the same issue of Reader's Digest as a kid. I also found the story of the battle between the _Cap_ _Trafalgar_ and the _Carmania_ in another issue.

[@Kresnov]

Lose the background music please.

[@gazof-the-north1980]

Langsdorff was an honourable man and brilliant sea Captain

[@Womgi]

I kinda want the chieftain to narrate the entirety of ww2 as one endless stream of informative audio chocolate

[@gnorris10]

Very historical and enjoyable. Thank you

[@kikekike2558]

I visited Martin garcia Island near buenos aires and visited the cementery, and finded many german sailors of graf spee

[@lordicedewd4375]

I visited the Graf Spee museum in Buneas aires a merchant navy cadet, back in 1999

[@kikekike2558]

@@MrDaniel-West1970 dont know the name. The cementery is in the Martin Garcia Island near Buenos Aires. Is between Buenos Aires and Uruguay

[@kikekike2558]

@@MrDaniel-West1970 a few crew, some names rest there. Dont remember how many.

[@kikekike2558]

@@MrDaniel-West1970 well i looked some german Lastnames. Was years ago dont remember really.

[@joypops1]

I always had a soft spot for every Warship on the Great Seas. But seriously I just want to listen to this man for hours, to try to feel the hearts and minds atop beautiful Steel with nerve-bending guns.

[@stevenmoore4612]

Graf spee definitely deserves to be on naval legends! The letter written by captain langsdorff really did show the bravery and courage of naval commanders and crews of the time! The same with Captain Lutjens when the Bismarck went down. I have Graf Spee in game, and she is the perfect cruiser hunter!

[@ratkobelajac]

Great ship, great commander!!! Honour to her men!!!

[@stevenschofield8518]

Even tho I’m a war thunder person I love your videos.... Graf Spree is a new ship in war thunder. Keep these great vids coming... thank you

[@jamescabrie7952]

May I suggest The Mighty Jingles KZbin channel(If you haven't already heard of him).He might not cover much war thunder gameplay, but if you enjoy naval warfare his videos where he discusses warships and naval campaigns with excellent narration, he is excellent at this. To actually find the videos where he does these is a bit difficult but you will enjoy listening to his other ramblings. *Flies away

[@0Turbox]

"Spee".

[@joydeepc1]

The narration is excellent

[@mariogeling2713]

Well done research and nicely presented if you could only turn the music down that would be very very good

[@pdunderhill]

Broadly I like the new presentation Nick, sadly the music (WoW on a loop?) is too intrusive, use Music to highlight moments of particular interest. Secondly the random cuts are distracting, a profile shot is useful for information ie maps, photos etc or a reflective or personal observation. Scripts need ups and downs so pure information followed by comments, rinse and repeat. You can afford to further break down your commentary into Paragraphs to let information soak in whilst a few graphics are on screen, Drach is a good example.Pace things out a little more this is closer to a TV programme rather than a podcast and viewers need more time to absorb information. There are the backbones of a very good piece here mate, well done.

[@docmike8601]

Chieftain, Been watching you about a year now, Wargaming owes you a big raise.

[@davidknight2104]

The Exeter hit the Graff Spee's fuel processing centre which meant it could only travel for 16 more hours without repair (which would take weeks)

[@jeffvreeburg531]

I love these series 👌👌how he tells the story🧘‍♂️

[@melchizedekpsj]

Fascinating. Thank you very much for this.

[@deividplays]

I'm a simple man, I see the Chieftain, I subscribe, watch until the end and like.

[@julianheafy768]

Oh boy, as the Argentinean I am, it is great to me to know such a piece of history occurred so close. I love the German ships, and I feel sorry about the tragedy end this Spee had.

[@dakotarcher09]

I would love if you guys can do a documentary about HMS Leander and maybe give her sister ships like Ajax, Achilles, Orion, and the others a shout-out during the show.

[@Rtgv123]

My friends grandfather was sailor aboard the ship INS Delhi during liberation of goa when they were bombing Portugal military.

[@frostedcat]

hmmm, hunting the salvo. never heard of this tactic. well done WG, can we have an episode on battle of midway ? it's the most iconic carriers battle during WWII after all

[@Peterax788]

Sir, please make video on what happened to Genisanau...

[@dougjb7848]

@Jure Herman Gneisenau wasn’t too damaged to repair. Damage incurred during Cerberus was repaired by January 1942. In February during an RAF night raid a bomb went through the armored deck and into her forward magazine, setting off an explosion that completely wrecked the forward from stempost to A turret barbette. The KM then decided to rebuild the ship with 3 twin 38cm gun turrets, but Hitler’s decision to put the surface fleet into reserve or the scrapyard sealed Gneisenau’s fate.

[@dougjb7848]

@AX PETER Do you mean the final battle of Scharnhorst, in December 1943? The battle that happened only because the KM senior staff refused to cancel her mission despite ample evidence it was a RN trap?

[@rx-0862]

Jure Herman what a shame honestly the best looking German Battleship.

[@Scottjames-rx3db]

One think I never understood about the battle was why did the Graf Spree was with out any other support war ships, if there was and additional warship with her the battle would have turned out different. She was basically solo hunting merchant shipping.

[@davefinfrock3324]

Warship 2019 has several articles dealing with the Graf Spee and the Battle of the River Plate. Most worthwhile reading. Also, if audio-visual aids are required, the movie "Pursuit of the Graf Spee" is worth seeking out and watching. It's reasonably accurate. Interestingly enough, both Ajax and Achilles reprise their roles in the movie, with HMS Cumberland filling in for the sunken Exeter (she also was there waiting for the Graf Spee to leave Montivideo). The Graf Spee herself was played by USS Salem, which is strangely appropriate if you think about it.

[@jonathanevans4610]

HMS Ajax was played by HMS Sheffield, HMS Cumberland plays herself (despite having no guns :)) and Jamaica plays Exeter.

[@jerry2357]

The original British title of the film is “The Battle of the River Plate”, but the title was changed for the American market. I think it’s my favourite naval film. I particularly like the short scene where HMS Ajax receives a signal from HMS Cumberland to explain how they got to the River Plate so quickly.

[@jonathanevans4610]

@@jerry2357 I keep forgetting the Cafe owner is Christopher Lee.

[@rayhuntley8966]

INS Delhi (ex HMNZS Achilles) played herself (as HMS Achilles) in the film.

[@andrewbetrosian2784]

Cool, I just bought this ship not to long ago...

[@albertpecker1281]

Great narrative.

[@halolime117]

This ship and its captain was the definition of a Chad

[@DarkestdaysAU]

My grandfather served on the HMS Exeter during the battle of the River Plate.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

More Chieftan :)

[@kobeh6185]

The music in this video is very compelling

[@bpwarrior1]

It should be a podcast

[@uni4rm]

13:00 Graf Spee closed primarily because with his engines puttering he was too slow to deal with hit and run attacks from fast enemies.

[@HHC47]

Awesome! Makes me love this game even more!

[@CaptIceman]

And I could swear SAP was just a pasta ship thing. My Leander doesn't have SAP... :(

[@Wanys123]

It has lower penetration, short-fuze, improved pen angle AP...so essentialy SAP before SAP made it to game.

[@planco]

My most loved WW2 naval story is the one of Graf Spee.

[@hardavLh]

Excelente episodio, espero sigan con mas capítulos así, es muy entretenido, ademas se aprende bastante de historia. Psdta: Para cuando mas barcos panamericanos?. Saludos

[@GandziaxBG]

A mans of honor, back in the day. Rather killed themself than being called a coward.

[@firespei1092]

This is a talk, not a symphony. if you have to put music over it, please dont make it so loud, i actually want to understand what The Chieftain has to say.

[@oledahl.]

Firespei strange cause I hear him loud and clear!

[@DimoB8]

Loud unneccessary music is something you should get used to while watching Chieftain's shows :P

[@piperpa4272]

@@DimoB8 only those he do for WG.

[@kagakai7729]

The motto of German ships as a whole is "why is it so bad in game"

[@shalinmodi6748]

The first hunt by Graff Spee was "Dorris Star"

[@hoof2001]

I thought that the German Navy had that class built 2” shorter than the specification set out in the Treaty of Versailles which banned the building of battleships. Thus, a “pocket” battleship - compliant with international treaty in the ‘tween wars period

[@lukum55]

The Chieftain is handsome enough to look at for 30 minutes but in my opinion it would be nice if there were more photographs and maps etc. to help visualise the story

[@dougjb7848]

Not to be a pedant, but I don’t think the TofV placed limits on gun power of German ships. It limited the German navy to six pre-dreadnought battleships, six light cruisers (6,000 long tons max), twelve destroyers (800 long tons), and twelve torpedo boats (200 long tons). Submarines were RIGHT OUT. The TofV limited displacement of new battleships to 10K tons but said nothing about gun size. It was assumed that any ship of 10K tons max, with guns larger than 8”, would be so compromised in speed and/or armor as to be militarily ineffective. Limits on displacement and gunpower, together, were set in the Washington Naval Treaty of 1921. This was the document that said “any ship over 10K tons standard and 8” guns was a battleship (which caused all five signatories to adopt a common definition of heavy cruiser as 8” guns on 10k tons”). But Germany didn’t sign the WNT. She wasn’t even invited to the negotiations. So she felt herself free to design a ship carrying bigger guns than any cruiser a potential foe could legally build, and be faster than any contemporary battleship.

[@mbryson2899]

A quibble: The disguise donned by the _Graf_ _Spee_ was not meant to emulate the _Cumberland_ . They hoped to pass themselves off as a French _Suffren_ class cruiser.

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

Go on.. do a 'Oh Bugger! My Battlecruiser is on fire!'😁😁😁

[@davidsmith2356]

My Uncle was serving on HMS Ajax during that incident..

[@kevinshort3943]

They should make a film of this :)

[@piperpa4272]

They did, a quite good one too. The former Ajax even starred as Ajax in the movie.

[@futten3230]

music was kinda disruptive

[@ricardofischer738]

(Portuguese Version) O capitão Hans Wilhelm Langsdorff, na verdade sentiu que o navio: Admiral Graf Spee, não tinha mais condições de combate e que a sua embarcação, devido as graves avarias sofridas em seu casco, em seus canhões e na sala de refino de óleo, o impossibilitava de retornar ao combate em alto mar, mas ele sabia que dadas as circunstâncias, seria um alvo fácil para os três navios Ingleses, se por acaso ele tenta-se guerrear. Como um grande capitão, ele salvou sua tripulação e por orgulho e lealdade aos nazistas e a seu Fuher, explodiu a própria embarcação para não ser humilhado e afundado pela frota inglesa, coisa que certamente aconteceria. (English Version) Captain Hans Wilhelm Langsdorff actually felt that the ship: Admiral Graf Spee, was no longer able to fight and that his vessel, due to serious damage to its hull, its cannons and the oil refining room, the made it impossible to return to combat on the high seas, but he knew that under the circumstances, he would be an easy target for the three English ships, should he try to make war. As a great captain, he saved his crew and out of pride and loyalty to the Nazis and his Fuher, he blew up his own vessel so as not to be humiliated and sunk by the English fleet, which he certainly would. (Spanish Version) El capitán Hans Wilhelm Langsdorff en realidad sintió que el barco, el almirante Graf Spee, ya no podía luchar y que su barco, debido a los graves daños en el casco, los cañones y la sala de refinación de petróleo, hacía imposible volver al combate en en alta mar, pero sabía que, dadas las circunstancias, sería un blanco fácil para los tres barcos ingleses si intentaba hacer la guerra. Como gran capitán, salvó a su tripulación y por orgullo y lealtad a los nazis y su Fuher, hizo estallar su propio barco para no ser humillado y hundido por la flota inglesa, lo que sin duda haría.

[@kevinc.3579]

Fantastic

[@caseygreen6818]

We need Langsdorf in the game

[@ebocortex]

Did it have a good speaker system as well 😸

[@aramirez8427]

pocket battleship …….awesome

[@vespelian5274]

Death to unnecessarily loud background music. A good account though.

[@jmc7034]

Loved it 👍❤️

[@Lost459]

Brilliant

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Captain Langsdorff in the game, when?

[@F-4E-58-MC]

Here you are again xD

[@farmerned6]

Surely it was the destruction of AGS's oil purification plant was the real reason for scuttling? with limited usable fuel running wasn't an option

[@Intreductor]

Isn't this a re-upload from like 2 years ago?

[@jirimollin8638]

It's more like Re-do, the surroundings and the finish is different, but basically yes

[@wilkatis]

Nice ecco WG, great quality audio

[@nitinshirsekar7684]

Could the 'Admiral Graf Spee' way back in 1939, been successful in escaping Montevideo Harbour , away from the grips of HMS Exeter, Ajax, Achilles had her captain Hans Langsdorff, only tried hard enough. Read all about it in the ebook "Type XXI U-Boat (Electroboot). The Story of the world's first true submarine capable of operating primarily submerged.

[@scabbycatcat4202]

The Graff Spee had a claimed range of 16000 miles. Is this actually true ? Is there any warship in the world today ( except nuclear ) that has anywhere near 16000 miles operational range ?

[@Jason8648776]

Pay Drachenifel to be the WOWS version of the Chieftain? No offense to nick but knowing him for tanks and seeing him in wows videos is a little strange

[@mor4y]

I'll 2nd that idea, Drach has a awesome knowledge of most warships, and I'm sure he could research some newer ones for a WOWS tie-up Having said that, both Nick and Drach have good ironic senses of humour, they could even work well together :)

[@frostedcat]

hey man, drach is a busy guy, and nick has a pretty impressive naval history knowledge so....

[@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel]

Thanks for the suggestion, we'll explore it!

[@Jason8648776]

@@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel very welcome. I know he's done an Interview with nick before so if he's willing I'd love to see him in an official wows video

[@Jason8648776]

@@frostedcat Hey it's no offense intended to Nick. Like genuinely. But drach really is like the warships equivalent

[@markyb9593]

It was great I want one of them shirt's 😍

[@shwarz7261]

Хорошее видео!!

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

WG, I've played your game for 9 days, been muted for 3 of those, and I've already spent about $40 USD. I'm about to buy Graf Spee ! Please, as a new player: tier 3 and 4 are basically unplayable because double and triple CV games. I almost quit on day one because I thought that was how the game was supposed to be.

[@DimoB8]

12:51 torpedobeat intensifies

[@jimpool7780]

6:24 Exeter straddled by Graf Spee's third Salvo 6:24 Graf spee straddled and hit by Exeter third salvo Game over for Graf Spee. Fuel processing plant destroy/damaged. Only 16 hours of fuel left. Water purification plant destroyed. Crew mess hall and kitchen destroyed. No way to reach Germany. No way to feed crew and no water to drink. 6:25 Graf Spee straddles Exeter and hits Exeter with two, 11" shells. "B" turret put out of action. Exeter eventually hit 4 times with massive 11" shell but remains afloat. No ship in British "Force G" sunk.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

It would have been interesting to have had Graf Spee vs Renown, or even see how a Town class would have fared irl against a Deutschland class.

[@epoch638]

I am here

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Hello there.

[@F-4E-58-MC]

Shipfu

[@dirites]

why not using ingame ships to ship what happened?

[@ECHOFOXTROT289]

Didn’t the chieftain already talked about this?

[@mathiaskarlsson1837]

How many enemy ship could Graf Spee engage at once?

[@mathiaskarlsson1837]

@Alexander Challis perhaps Graf Spee should have been followed by German submarines to sink the enemy then they least expected it.

[@turbowolf302]

Oh boy, Irish Tank Jesus is here to tell us another story!

[@hgknetwork7228]

Awsome

[@pt8208]

Big Amphibian Tank?

[@EinApoStein]

smoke for graf Spee? 30km range? 32knots?

[@petereiso5415]

How did you determine the political proclivities of the ship ? I wasn't laid down by the Nazis although it was substantially built under their reign. So many from the US do the same thing, a German fighter pilot was Nazi under their thinking. Very strange indeed. Was the Sherman tank democratic? Of course it wasn't, so why is a German ship a Nazi ?

[@thecanadianchurchill4080]

1 of my grat grand family members he was a chef on a ship that helped to Chace down the enimy ship i have the egg cup from the ship the ship that helped to take down admil speed.

[@Riceball01]

What's the difference between a pocket battleship and a battlecruiser, because they sound like the same thing to me. A ship with cruiser level speed and armor but with battleship caliber guns. So what makes one a pocket battleship and the other a battlecruiser?

[@psychologicaltirefire8190]

None really, the name "pocket battleship" was just a word used by the English press of the time. I suppose if there were a difference, that the Deutschland-Class would be a "Pocket Battleship" in the sense they were the most advanced and largest ships in the Reichsmarine/Kriegsmarine and would then be by technicality a "capital ship". I mean the loss of the Graf Spee was a hard hit in morale for the Wehrmacht (especially the Kriegsmarine) and the German people in general. It would be like if the U.S suddenly lost the new Gerald R. Ford Carrier or the English suddenly lost a Queen Elizabeth Carrier.

[@73Trident]

@@psychologicaltirefire8190 What do you mean "none really". There is a huge difference between the two ships. About 18000 tons displacement, 3 to 4 knots in speed and 15" naval rifles compared to 11". They are all in favor of the Battlecruiser. None really my ass.

[@dragosalexpop]

Some maps or schematics on the maneuvers would have been much better than a talking head. Easier to comprehend and understand if an image is shown.

[@igorzkoppt]

Excellent document but for god sake tell them to stop the 1980's US documentary style - phony dramatic music, camera angle changes for no reason etc. No need to overproduce that. The usual Q&A at a desk are more natural.

[@patrickeh696]

Cut the distracting music.